Episode 140 — Therapy, Family, and the Crisis of Modern Culture w/ Kevin Kervick

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[0:03:06] So check them out. [0:03:07] Check us out, backlash.net. [0:03:09] Anyway, so today we're being joined by a very interesting person. [0:03:14] His name is Kevin Kervick. [0:03:16] I said it right. [0:03:17] I said it right. [0:03:17] Okay, I said it right, didn't I? [0:03:19] Kevin is a, you're a therapist? [0:03:22] You're a family? [0:03:23] Licensed marriage and family therapist. [0:03:24] Right, and you've written a book, Living a Good Life. [0:03:27] Is this on Amazon, by the way? [0:03:28] Yes, it is, yeah. [0:03:29] The book here is Living a Good Life. [0:03:33] And so I figured it'd be interesting to have Kevin on the show. [0:03:35] We've had a lot of conversations over the, I guess, how long have we known each other? [0:03:38] A year, year and a half? [0:03:39] I'd say a year and a half or so. [0:03:40] Yeah, something. [0:03:40] But we've had a couple of really interesting conversations about where people's heads are at, where therapists' heads are at, you know, because there's been a lot of crazy stuff in this area. [0:03:53] And there's a story I'll pull up as we get into it. [0:03:55] But there was like this guy and he was like the head of one of the local mental health clinics. [0:04:01] He was like a big shot. [0:04:03] But it turned out that he had like tried to burn the hospital down in like 2011 or 2014. [0:04:10] That's not a good thing to do. [0:04:11] And he got caught at this gun range saying that he was going to shoot all of the Trump supporters for like being against trans people or whatever. [0:04:19] There's a trans genocide going on. [0:04:21] And it's like this this guy was like the head of a group called NAMI or like the North Idaho Medical Alliance or something like this. [0:04:29] I don't really. And it's like you've got these sick people that are working on other sick people. [0:04:38] and they're making each other more sick. [0:04:42] They're not helping. [0:04:43] And so I think it would be interesting just to kind of start out. [0:04:46] How did you get involved in therapy, psychoanalysts, psychoanalysis, all of this? [0:04:53] How did you get involved with it? [0:04:54] How long have you been in that field, et cetera? [0:04:57] Take it away. [0:04:58] Thanks for having me on, David. [0:04:59] I didn't know what I wanted to do when I was a young guy. [0:05:03] I didn't have a lot to fall back on. [0:05:05] I didn't have a family business or anything, [0:05:07] so I didn't know what I wanted to do. [0:05:09] I did know I liked people, and I was a helpful kind of a person, [0:05:13] kind of a loving kind of a person. [0:05:15] And I liked children. [0:05:16] For some reason, I always hit it off with children. [0:05:18] So eventually I decided that some way I could help children, [0:05:23] you know, as a professional would be probably a good thing to do. [0:05:27] So I thought, well, I major in psychology. [0:05:30] And at the time, you know, I had a little bit of a turbulent family background, [0:05:34] some issues there, and it's always helpful to learn about your own. [0:05:37] your own family through when you're studying psychology. So that was kind of a little factor [0:05:41] there as well. But mostly I just wanted to do something meaningful and purposeful and try to [0:05:45] help other people and work with children if I could. So I went to school, I graduated high school in [0:05:50] 1978, which is way back. And I graduated in 1982 from Widener University in Chester, Pennsylvania, [0:05:57] and got a bachelor's in psychology. Didn't know what I wanted to do still, so I didn't want to [0:06:02] get a PhD. So I had this great job in a mill, you know, a factory mill, a paper mill, making more [0:06:10] money than any of the college graduates I knew were going to make. So I just went back and did [0:06:14] that in the town I grew up in, married my high school sweetheart, and then started our life from [0:06:20] there. But around, I guess, five years in or so, five years after that, I wasn't feeling fulfilled [0:06:27] of anything. So I knew I needed to do something different. So I went back to school to get a [0:06:31] master's degree in psychology. And I really was turned down by family therapy because it was kind [0:06:37] of about systems and relationships and thought, well, that's going to be my application. So I [0:06:42] became a marriage and family therapist back, I guess, 1989, 1990, something like that. [0:06:48] All right. And how has that changed over the years, the dynamics of being involved? I mean, [0:06:54] there was a revision, of course, of something called the DSM or the Diagnostics and Statistics [0:07:00] manual. This is where they basically have all the different neuropathies and like what's wrong with [0:07:06] you. Yeah. Yeah. And they, they reformed that from the DSM four to the DSM five. [0:07:12] Many times. And it's always for political reasons. It's just psychiatrists sort of sitting around [0:07:17] and they just, Oh, let's call this that there's no real research behind why they do what they do. [0:07:23] You know, the biggest change was 1971. Alcoholism became a disorder and homosexuality became not, [0:07:30] a disorder. And either issue was, there was really no research behind either. It was just the [0:07:38] political whims of the time. You know, let's call it alcohol disorder. That way we get a lot of [0:07:43] money to treat it, you know, and will, people can become victims, right? If something's a disorder, [0:07:48] you're a victim of something. So that fit 1971 pretty well. And of course, homosexuality, [0:07:53] that was the era of massive amount of, you know, social change. Sure. Harvey Milk, Stonewall, [0:08:00] all that stuff in 71. And so they just pushed, they actually blackmailed a lot of psychiatrists [0:08:07] to back away from their previous position, closeted psychiatrists and others. And they [0:08:12] said, well, we'll expose you if you don't. So it was all through blackmail and coercion. [0:08:16] Probably the SPLC was involved for all I know back then to make it happen because the preponderance [0:08:21] of people certainly, and therapists at the time still believe that homosexuality was a mental [0:08:27] disorder. I happen to still believe that, but I'm not supposed to believe that. But still believe [0:08:33] that, right? But they pushed it through. So it was purely a political thing. So that's the history [0:08:39] of our profession. A lot of it is politics. In the 1970s, of course, feminism was the rage. [0:08:46] There was something called feminist family therapy that came out. And it was like, well, [0:08:51] what is this thing? And it was, you know, egalitarianism and empathy and softer concepts [0:08:57] and, you know, patriarchy bad. So our job as therapists is actually to, you know, cast aside [0:09:05] the patriarchal, you know, damages done by marriage towards women. And so that was our job as [0:09:12] therapists. That was probably the first time in psychotherapy where we were supposed to, [0:09:16] we're expected to be social engineers interesting but they they made it seem like well this is what [0:09:22] everybody does like it's this is the normal this is the norm so we weren't activists we were just [0:09:29] you know enforcing the norm which is feminism of course gender feminism which is hating men is [0:09:34] sort of the norm so misandry right i think that's that's the the technical term for hating men [0:09:40] hating men yeah uh yeah sorry ADD brain I went somewhere else with that I'm like not gonna come [0:09:46] back but um now this is interesting because like I guess within family therapy right I you know I [0:09:54] can't tell you how many guys that I know who have wives that are like we need to go to therapy and [0:10:01] then it's like they go to therapy and the therapist just de facto backs up the woman [0:10:07] they're never wrong and it's always the man's fault yeah you know it seems like there's a trend [0:10:13] in that am i there's research to support that that isn't 100 true in fact there are many times [0:10:20] you go you get the opposite sometimes you have women that are so angry at other women that they're [0:10:25] you know projecting that bias out so the research backs up what you're saying but it isn't always [0:10:30] true but certainly in the 70s 80s yeah that was very much what you got and men you know the typical [0:10:39] Idaho pickup truck guy is scared to death of therapy I don't blame them because there is [0:10:45] definitely a you know bias against yeah that archetype yeah going to psychotherapy and they [0:10:50] don't want to go I don't blame them would you say that the this type of field of therapy family [0:10:57] therapy, psychotherapy, whatever. Do you think that that was subverted or was it always kind of [0:11:03] wonky? Was it always kind of used for social engineering? I don't know. I follow some of the, [0:11:09] you know, Freud, you know, was sort of inserted to, you know, break apart, you know, white [0:11:15] Christian civilization. And I follow that. And sometimes I think, I'm not really sure about that. [0:11:21] Other times I think, yeah, that's absolutely what happened. You know, Freud came, it was [0:11:24] Elizabethan kind of Europe, and it was, you know, repression was the norm, which maybe should be the [0:11:31] norm. Maybe we shouldn't be having all these sexual fantasies all the time, or maybe that's [0:11:36] actually a good defenseman. But of course, his job was to break that all apart, right? Which, [0:11:40] in so doing, you know, you broke apart the family. You broke apart the nuclear family, [0:11:44] the Christian family. So it's possible that from its very outset, psychoanalysis was [0:11:50] a subversive revolutionary, you know, sort of attack. [0:11:55] Yeah, I was just saying, because I've got to give the book the plug, you know, and this [0:12:01] is a heavy one, The Culture of Critique by Kevin MacDonald. [0:12:03] He writes about Freud, doesn't he? [0:12:05] He writes, there's a chapter about Freud in here. [0:12:07] I actually think that E. Michael Jones covered him in the Jewish revolutionary spirit as [0:12:11] well. [0:12:12] But there is definitely a chapter in here on Sigmund Freud, psychotherapy, the Frankfurt [0:12:18] school, the authoritarian personality, and all of this type of social engineering basically [0:12:24] to convince white Europeans that, you know, disciplining your children is wrong and bad, [0:12:33] and it makes people into Nazis. Definitely the authoritarian personality was a response to, [0:12:39] you know, post-World War II, let's label all white people authoritarians, which will then [0:12:44] allow us to destroy them and we're we're allowed to use psychotherapy to do that because after all [0:12:50] we're saving the world so if we need to destroy white men especially but white christian families [0:12:56] then we're doing a favor for the world so no doubt that that book authoritarian personality [0:13:02] which was written by some kind of max workheimer and theodore adorno yeah they were the two and of [0:13:06] course the frankfurt school yeah obviously that whole you know i recently there's a guy on x i [0:13:12] I can't remember. [0:13:13] I'd have to, it would be a lot of work for me to find the quiz, [0:13:16] but it's out there. [0:13:17] Maybe you can ask Grok about it, [0:13:19] but there's a guy that is kind of dusting off all of these old personality [0:13:24] tests, right? [0:13:25] And then re-releasing them online as, you know, multiple choice questions. [0:13:28] And so you can actually take the authoritarian personality test as designed [0:13:36] by Corkeimer and Adorno. [0:13:38] No, I mean, I scored the highest, like 99 percentile of like, this guy is a problem. [0:13:45] Are you white Christian by any chance? [0:13:47] Are you Catholic by any chance? [0:13:49] I wonder. [0:13:50] But yeah, so I scored like off the Richter scale with it. [0:13:53] I thought it was hysterical. [0:13:54] And I'm like, I started sending it around to my family. [0:13:56] Like, hey, quick, take this test. [0:13:58] Let's see where you fall. [0:13:58] And it's like everybody scored over a 90. [0:14:00] And I'm like, all right, this is good. [0:14:02] The whole idea. [0:14:03] So we need to use therapy, counseling, human services in general. [0:14:08] to stamp that out, that, that impulse, that white impulse. So that is definitely there in our system. [0:14:14] I don't know if it's always there, it's there for everybody, but it's definitely a strong [0:14:20] undercurrent. Interesting. In our field. Yeah. What do you think is like the top problems [0:14:27] that families that are, I guess, seeking therapy or that wind up in therapy, [0:14:33] What are the biggest problems that they're dealing with, in your opinion, I guess? [0:14:40] Is it gender stuff? [0:14:43] Is it just like my husband doesn't listen to me, my wife doesn't cook? [0:14:48] What are the issues? [0:14:49] The biggest problem by far is blended and remarried families. [0:14:54] Interesting. [0:14:55] The divorce epidemic. [0:14:56] That's by far the biggest problem. [0:14:58] and you know that's been a steady trend since you know the divorce rate up the 1970s through the [0:15:06] 80s families have just been torn apart so you know if you do a family tree now we call it a genogram [0:15:13] you know it's going all over the place sideways upside down i mean his family's everywhere [0:15:17] that's just been tragic for families because they people don't know where they stand there's [0:15:23] tremendous losses they've had to deal with now you know holidays get all messed up and everything [0:15:28] So to me, that's the biggest problem. [0:15:30] In fact, there's any issue that I struggle with and that I have what we call countertransference about, [0:15:35] which is like my bias against it, it's blended families. [0:15:38] Because I come from a very intact Catholic background, very few divorces. [0:15:44] And when I'm at my family parties, you know, a lot of people that are mad at each other, but they're still together, you know. [0:15:49] So for me, that. [0:15:51] But my clinical experience has been that that is the biggest challenge historically that people face. [0:15:55] Now I would say it's, you know, lack of community cohesion. [0:16:02] Social fabric. [0:16:03] Social fabric. [0:16:05] Kids can't, like there's not good role modeling. [0:16:08] Like, you know, you're 37. [0:16:10] 37, yeah. [0:16:11] And I'm 65. [0:16:12] I mean, role modeling was built in. [0:16:15] So all the structures in communities had role models built in at every section. [0:16:20] You didn't have to worry about it. [0:16:22] It was like what the community did. [0:16:23] so I learned from that guy [0:16:26] I went to the American Legion Hall [0:16:28] learned from that guy [0:16:28] there was just all these people you could learn from [0:16:32] and I think that has evaporated to some extent [0:16:34] and I think parents also have [0:16:35] pulled their kids away from that [0:16:38] for whatever reason [0:16:39] there's a lack of role modeling [0:16:42] so [0:16:42] I'm a little bit out of pocket [0:16:46] I haven't done a lot of intense work [0:16:48] for the last five years or so [0:16:50] somebody else might say it's the trans issue [0:16:52] or something like that [0:16:53] But for me, it's those issues that are a little bit, you know, maybe one degree separated from what your question was asking. [0:17:00] Yeah. No, no, no. I mean, I think that's interesting. You know, the people don't talk about divorce anymore. [0:17:05] It's kind of a foregone conclusion at this point. [0:17:08] I mean, this was I mean, there used to be a day in America when like you could not get elected to office if you were divorced. [0:17:18] You know, it'd be very rare for somebody that was even just single to get elected to office. [0:17:23] You know what I mean? It's kind of a black mark. It's like, hey, what's going on here? [0:17:26] He wasn't able to make his marriage work and now we're going to put this guy in office? [0:17:31] Like, come on. And I think Ronald Reagan kind of broke the taboo on that. [0:17:36] Especially, if I'm not mistaken, Reagan was responsible for signing no-fault divorce into law in California. [0:17:44] And abortion, by the way. Thank you, Ronald Reagan. [0:17:48] He did so many. [0:17:49] It's always funny when I see these people [0:17:51] I got this mailer the other day [0:17:54] I don't know if you got it [0:17:55] There's this big election here in Idaho [0:17:58] No, I don't get it yet [0:17:59] This is like the rhino reader [0:18:01] This is like the fake bullshit thing [0:18:03] And it's just like, oh, we're the party of Ronald Reagan [0:18:06] And I'm like, oh, so you're the party of like [0:18:09] Abortion, divorce, and mass amnesty [0:18:12] Great, like thanks for telling me where you're at [0:18:15] You know, like [0:18:17] And no fault divorce was a terrible, terrible law. [0:18:19] Because the best thing for divorce is the cooling off period. [0:18:23] I think a lot of states still had a two-year period. [0:18:26] That's the best thing. [0:18:27] Because people, I want to get divorced. [0:18:28] And they sit, they wait, and they come to therapy. [0:18:30] You know, let's just talk for a while. [0:18:33] Six months later, they don't want to do it anymore. [0:18:35] So the best thing in marital therapy is the waiting period. [0:18:39] In fact, that's the best thing. [0:18:40] One of the secrets to psychotherapy is slowing people down. [0:18:44] because we think with our prefrontal cerebral cortex [0:18:48] we're supposed to [0:18:49] those of us that have a functioning one [0:18:51] but when we're in a fight or flight [0:18:53] we go to the limbic system [0:18:54] and we're all out of control [0:18:55] so when people are going through a divorce or something [0:18:56] they're out of control [0:18:58] literally they're subhuman [0:18:59] so what do we do as therapists? [0:19:02] the bad therapists [0:19:03] okay, well you've got to be happy [0:19:06] let's figure out [0:19:07] I want you to be less neurotic [0:19:10] I want you to be calmer [0:19:11] so it pushes them right towards the divorce [0:19:15] The good therapists say, okay, let's talk about things and slow it down a little bit. [0:19:18] And, you know, next thing you know, they change their minds about it. [0:19:21] So that's a big secret of psychotherapy is a big thing that works is slowing people down. [0:19:27] Yeah. [0:19:27] In fact, that's one of the most top five factors I would say that's underappreciated is slowing people down. [0:19:34] Yeah. [0:19:34] And I was going to say there was actually something that I just saw earlier today. [0:19:38] I'm going to see if I can pull it up. [0:19:40] There's a couple of tweets that popped up. [0:19:43] One of these is, this is from Mario Nathwal. [0:19:46] Oh, don't get me started on the SSRIs. [0:19:48] Right. [0:19:49] Please get me started. [0:19:50] I'm going to. [0:19:50] And so this was a post that Mario Nathwal made, I guess today or yesterday, about SSRIs and whether or not they work. [0:20:00] There's like a little chart here about, you know, it was all about shutting down your dopamine reuptake inhibitors and stuff like this. [0:20:09] and the basic claim was that like oh you're unhappy because you have a chemical imbalance [0:20:16] which is bullshit it's bullshit right that's what this post marketing spin marketing spin [0:20:21] all it was there was never a chemical imbalance it was total marketing spin what sounds good [0:20:27] that we could we have this new thing prozac ssri oh that sounds really cool too ssri [0:20:34] So how are we going to sell this thing? [0:20:36] Well, let's call some brain thing. [0:20:40] So the chemical imbalance theory was posited, and it's total bullshit, [0:20:45] never had any scientific basis, and they use that to sell SSRIs, which don't work. [0:20:51] Occasionally I'll see some research, oh, yes, you get a 15% variance in improvement on mild depression, [0:20:57] which I think is completely wrong as well. [0:20:59] They don't work, and they have incredible side effects that are never reported. [0:21:03] Sexual side effects, brain zaps, all kinds of things that are just awful. [0:21:08] Long-term use, you've essentially numbed a person. [0:21:12] So, you know, a big chunk of the problems we're seeing in the world today probably can be attributed to 40 or 50 years of SSRI use in the population. [0:21:23] Interesting. [0:21:23] I mean, it's unbelievable. [0:21:25] It's on par with the COVID vaccine, with that type of a thing, [0:21:32] where the government and these agencies have colluded to deliberately poison the population. [0:21:39] I'd lock them all up. [0:21:40] I think it's the worst thing. [0:21:41] Honest to God, I think it's the worst thing. [0:21:43] And they knew. [0:21:45] They knew this stuff didn't work. [0:21:47] They knew it didn't work. [0:21:48] They pushed it anyway, and they used all these cockamamie theories, [0:21:50] all these psychiatrists because it's such a huge money maker. [0:21:56] They don't do therapy anymore. [0:21:57] They just prescribe drugs. [0:21:59] It's so easy. [0:22:01] All the family doctors can just give SSRIs now, and they do. [0:22:04] So I've been talking about this since 1994. [0:22:08] Wow. [0:22:08] Because family therapists, we believe that the system was broken, [0:22:13] therapy could change systems, and that cured depression. [0:22:16] We address your family, the systems you were involved in, [0:22:20] that would cure your depression. [0:22:22] It was something not working in your system that you were depressed. [0:22:25] So we never bought into this biopsychiatry nonsense. [0:22:28] But, of course, it took over the field. [0:22:31] So, you know, I've been following Peter Bregan, people like that since then, you know. [0:22:36] And finally now, in the last two years, we're starting to see the scam has been exposed [0:22:40] and people are coming out of the closet saying this stuff doesn't work. [0:22:44] So I don't know. [0:22:45] I mean, to me it seems like a massive crime, a massive crime. [0:22:48] Well, and it's also like, you know, one of the, I think one of the factors is kind of starting to lead to this SSRI skepticism, if you will, has been all of these mass shooters. [0:22:57] Because like one after another, after another, it's like, okay, now when, when are they going to send the press release that he was on SSRIs, that he was on some sort of drug, he can't feel any emotion. [0:23:08] I mean, a lot of this, this Prozac stuff, it's not just like it takes away your negative emotions, it takes away your positive emotions too, you know. [0:23:16] Do you know what the worst part about that is, though? [0:23:18] It's what they're not getting. [0:23:21] Because it's so easy to prescribe. [0:23:24] So they just show these things at kids, these teenagers, whatever, [0:23:28] and they don't get any therapy. [0:23:30] Therapy works. [0:23:31] Our outcomes are better than most medical. [0:23:34] We have tremendous outcomes, especially if you get a really good therapist. [0:23:38] It really does work. [0:23:39] And these poor kids don't get it. [0:23:41] They get a pill that's toxic and makes them worse. [0:23:44] if you're bipolar you have that tendency ssris are going to make you more bipolar going to make [0:23:50] you manic and aggressive that's what happens so your family doctor goes throws a pill [0:23:55] now your parents say well you're on a pill we don't need to get you therapy or anything like [0:23:59] that and then they end up you know not not addressing any of their their issues you know [0:24:04] here's a question yeah um speaking of speaking that was one of my soapbox thanks for asking [0:24:11] that question. I've been fighting that for so long. Speaking of bipolar, you know, I don't know [0:24:18] if I believe it, by the way, but go ahead. We'll speak in abstract terms. Sure. You know, there's [0:24:24] been a big fight up here. You know, the Catholics, the Zionists, the evangelicals and all this. And, [0:24:30] you know, there's these women that are like involved with the local central committee and [0:24:35] they're screaming at meetings and you know there's a lot of people now and it's like [0:24:41] it's like kind of split I don't know like public opinion on this at least like at our in our like [0:24:47] county in our local local meetings where it's like half the people look at the this behavior [0:24:52] and they're like that person has bipolar and then I'm looking at it and I'm like I think they're [0:24:58] possessed by demons actually is do you have any idea like as a therapist what is your take on like [0:25:08] demonic possession have you ever run into that like run into somebody i haven't david and i don't [0:25:14] know if i believe that um or if i believe in i mean it's a little off the wall of a question but [0:25:18] you know it's and i hear in the circles i follow this is how people talk all the time i think okay [0:25:24] well maybe I need to learn more about it. [0:25:26] It's just not my world view. It hasn't been. [0:25:29] I don't know. Maybe it is true. [0:25:33] Bipolar, if that's what you're asking, [0:25:35] the way to look at that is just a heightened emotionality. [0:25:38] That's what you typically see with a bipolar. [0:25:41] Heightened emotionality. [0:25:43] And especially verbal emotionality. [0:25:47] So people are constantly screaming [0:25:50] or talk loud and they scream. [0:25:53] And that's what you typically would see with something with bipolar. [0:25:56] But traditionally, you're talking about people that have extremes of emotions and they go back and forth. [0:26:01] You know, so how long is the oscillation there? [0:26:06] Because, like, I've seen people that will go and they will, like, look depressed. [0:26:09] And then 30 seconds later, they're screaming mad. [0:26:11] And then 15 seconds later, they're, like, depressed again. [0:26:13] Well, in our new cookbook, DSM 6000, six million. [0:26:18] There's like a whole bunch of bipolar two and bipolar. [0:26:21] The more labels we can have, the more money we can make, and the more fun it is, the more books we can write. [0:26:28] So there should be just like one label, like emotional person. [0:26:32] Like that would be enough. [0:26:34] But we have like a hundred of these things, and then you could build different amounts for different stuff. [0:26:39] And some guy writes a book about bipolar 2 versus bipolar. [0:26:43] So what was your question? [0:26:45] No, I guess that was just it. [0:26:47] You know, just like how does it manifest? [0:26:49] What does it look like? [0:26:51] You know, that's it. But, you know, I can't help but think because, you know, I've struggled with depression. [0:26:58] You know, I've gone as well. I've gone to therapy. I've done the whole thing. [0:27:02] And I just I'm really at a point where I think it's I don't think it's us. [0:27:10] I don't think it's like the person that's like high IQ. [0:27:15] You're living in the world. You're like, you know, I think everything's totally fucked up. [0:27:19] And I go and I try to talk to people about it and they act like I'm the problem. [0:27:24] Yeah, no. [0:27:24] And no, it's like no one cares about each other anymore. [0:27:28] Nobody talks to one another anymore. [0:27:31] We're all siloed in our own algorithms that are feeding our own kind of like neurotic what we want to see the way that we want the world to behave. [0:27:40] And it kind of drives people nuts. [0:27:43] and you know I I feel like a lot of the mental health problems is just the fact that the world [0:27:51] that we live in now is so divorced from reality and normalcy that it's driving people crazy [0:27:59] I agree a thousand percent with that and that's the kind of depression I have interesting like [0:28:05] the world is just like hitting me I'm like oh and so if that's what you mean by demonic possession [0:28:12] that I do agree with that. [0:28:14] If there's stuff in the world that is so evil and so anti-health [0:28:21] that's hitting us over the head constantly [0:28:25] and that evil people are accelerating it or doing that [0:28:30] because they're possessed by a demon or they're acting out Satan's work, [0:28:36] then I agree that that's happening. [0:28:38] I don't know how I would call it that. [0:28:41] but I think for a lot of people that is depression that is R.D. Lang said I think he said mental [0:28:47] illness is a sane reaction to an insane world and I think for a lot of people that is absolutely if [0:28:55] the world were healthy and this is the reason I really got into family therapy to go back to your [0:29:00] first question because I thought well maybe I can figure out how to save the world like maybe you [0:29:05] know I know my family had problems I know people I know I thought well maybe I can figure it all [0:29:11] out and then so I've been doing that every day you know since I'm was 28 years old trying to [0:29:17] figure out what's with the world and I agree with you that it's getting worse and worse and people [0:29:22] say oh Kevin you're just getting old and no it really it's really getting worse and worse yeah [0:29:28] these things are really really bad and then people are getting really depressed because of it yeah [0:29:32] Well, and let's get into something that has been front and center, you know, in Idaho, I think across the Western world for a while, which is transgenderism. [0:29:43] Yeah, we have hit. [0:29:45] I mean, you know, there's there's people now that are kind of declaring victory over woke. [0:29:49] Woke is dead and all of this. [0:29:50] But I'm looking at local people like Heritage Health, Kootenai Health, the North Idaho Pride Alliance. [0:29:57] All of these have like associations with one another. [0:30:00] Like you go on the North Idaho Pride Alliance website and there's like an intake form for Heritage Health. [0:30:07] And they're like shuttling people directly over to a group that's going to prescribe them drugs, [0:30:13] they're going to give them therapy, gender affirming care or whatever. [0:30:16] And, you know, that has not stopped. [0:30:21] So I think that the diagnosis that like woke is dead and we can declare victory over woke, I don't think so. [0:30:30] I think it might just kind of be taking a little bit of a back burner, but it's all the infrastructure is there. [0:30:36] So I guess from your point of view, when did you start seeing this type of transgender ideology thing? [0:30:44] When did you start seeing that come around in like therapy circles? [0:30:47] Yeah, so it was around seven years ago when this sort of thing came out of nowhere. [0:30:53] And when it happened, I said, oh, well, it's just it's homosexuality. [0:30:56] It's the same trajectory. [0:30:58] They're trying to normalize something, [0:31:00] and the thing that they're normalizing is actually going to break up the family, [0:31:04] which is a plus for them. [0:31:06] So let's normalize it, make it acceptable, [0:31:09] and demonize anybody who opposes it, shame anybody who opposes it. [0:31:13] That's how homosexuality became accepted in 1971. [0:31:16] And I saw the same exact thing happen. [0:31:19] It was like seven or eight years ago, [0:31:21] and it just completely took over our profession, [0:31:24] completely took over. [0:31:26] All the good therapists, all the liberals, [0:31:29] all the people with money just started going with it. [0:31:33] Now, Jennifer Billick, I don't know if you know her, [0:31:35] but here's a sub-stack. [0:31:36] She writes about the corporatization of transgenderism. [0:31:39] See if you can find her. [0:31:41] She believes it was always a top-down approach. [0:31:45] Interesting. [0:31:46] Yeah, the Pritzker family, all these big money people. [0:31:48] How do you spell her last name? [0:31:50] Billick is, I think, B-I-L-L-E-C-K or something like that. [0:31:53] Jennifer Billick? [0:31:55] Yeah, that might be it there. [0:31:58] I hope I have her name right, Jennifer. [0:32:00] I'm sorry if I have you wrong. [0:32:03] Physiotherapist of Manitoba. [0:32:05] This one? [0:32:06] That might be it. [0:32:08] Let's see what this is. [0:32:09] But I'm suffering from [0:32:10] 65-year-old aphasia, [0:32:15] getting names, [0:32:16] Archie Bunker, getting names mixed up [0:32:18] kind of phenomenon. [0:32:19] Let's see, is there a picture of this woman? [0:32:21] Oh, I don't know. [0:32:22] Billette, maybe? [0:32:23] I really apologize. [0:32:26] She says there never was any such thing as gender, transgender, [0:32:34] and it was always a top-down revolution. [0:32:39] Big money people paid for it in order to push it on the population. [0:32:45] Okay, that is based in Chicago. [0:32:48] No, it's not. [0:32:49] Well, we'll figure it out. [0:32:50] Maybe it'll come to me in my whatever. [0:32:53] It's okay. [0:32:53] But so anyway, you're saying it was a top-down thing. [0:32:56] That's what she says, yeah. [0:32:57] But then it became, it started bubbling up as well. [0:33:01] And then it took over seven or eight years ago. [0:33:04] And what happened was they made it so that you had to affirm somebody immediately. [0:33:10] So the professional associations that manage our licenses, all the universities, all the people that, you know, have money, you know, the big names that tell everybody how to work and everything, [0:33:21] said you must affirm somebody immediately. [0:33:23] So someone comes into therapy, you know, oh, David, you say, I think I'm a girl. [0:33:28] Oh, OK. [0:33:29] Well, should I call you? [0:33:30] I mean, you have to. [0:33:32] And if you didn't do that, you were a bad therapist and it was probably malpractice. [0:33:37] Wow. [0:33:38] And the person was probably going to kill themselves if you didn't do that. [0:33:41] So blackmail. [0:33:43] I remember blackmail. [0:33:44] It was a Chloe Cole. [0:33:45] Yes. [0:33:45] Right. [0:33:46] She's this girl. [0:33:47] She did a couple of tours here in Idaho. [0:33:49] Yeah. [0:33:49] At the legislature. [0:33:51] Mark Fitzpatrick. [0:33:52] Fitzpatrick. [0:33:52] Yeah. [0:33:52] And, you know, she was talking about how the doctors were presenting this to her parents. [0:33:58] And it was basically like a death sentence. [0:34:00] Like either you start having surgeries on your daughter or she is going to kill herself. [0:34:06] Exactly. And that was the top down strategy. [0:34:10] So Jennifer, whose last name I'm forgetting, was able to trace where that, you know, screenplay came from. [0:34:17] So all kids and all therapists were coached to tell parents that. [0:34:22] that would you rather have a dead son or a live daughter kind of thing. [0:34:27] And they all did that. [0:34:29] So they got parents freaked out for emotional blackmail. [0:34:32] All the therapists went along because they didn't want to be sued [0:34:35] or malpractice, whatever. [0:34:38] Or they just stopped seeing the trans kids. [0:34:40] So in my case, I stopped seeing them. [0:34:44] So that meant the kids had to go to some affirming therapist [0:34:48] at a gender clinic that was usually some flaming blue-haired liberal that was just rubber stamping [0:34:55] these kids along, you know. And so they just, it just took over. And then it became like [0:35:01] anorexia was in the 90s where all the girls were getting it, you know, borderline personality [0:35:08] disorder in the 90s. Everybody had that all of a sudden. So it became the thing that everybody had [0:35:13] and everybody wanted to have it became cool. [0:35:16] And once that happens, you know, everybody's going to want to do it, you know. [0:35:20] Wow. [0:35:21] I was going to say, what do you think is the psychology of these young people? [0:35:27] What's going through their heads? [0:35:29] It really seems simple to me. [0:35:32] Every young kid is a mess. [0:35:34] They're trying to figure something out. [0:35:36] They all have identity issues. [0:35:38] Who am I? [0:35:39] What am I going to do? [0:35:40] They're all figuring this out. [0:35:41] And then they just look around. [0:35:43] and what label can I try on, you know? [0:35:47] We had goth and wiggers. [0:35:50] Tonk, goth, wiggers. [0:35:52] Whatever. [0:35:53] I'm already in a New England thing, I don't know. [0:35:55] A little bit, yeah. [0:35:56] Yeah. [0:35:57] We have a few out here. [0:35:59] We have a few out here, yeah. [0:36:01] And so then they got the trans. [0:36:04] So they all wanted to be trans, you know? [0:36:06] I do possibly agree with Alex Jones and others [0:36:10] that there really could be some endocrine stuff in the water or whatever. [0:36:16] In your soap, maybe. [0:36:19] Maybe it's in the soap. [0:36:20] Maybe you've got to go to Idaho. [0:36:22] I bought some great soap up here at the Rathroom Farmers Market last week. [0:36:28] It wasn't Idaho Hotel, but it was really good homemade stuff. [0:36:31] It might have been goat milk. [0:36:32] I think it was. [0:36:33] For some reason, goat milk soap, people are into it. [0:36:35] I don't get it. [0:36:36] I think Owen Benjamin makes some of that stuff up in Sandpoint. [0:36:38] But I think, is he in Sandpoint? [0:36:41] I knew he was around here somewhere. [0:36:43] I think there could be something happening chemically in the environment. [0:36:48] Alex Jones said, turn in the frog's gate. [0:36:51] I think there's a real possibility. [0:36:54] Because I don't know about you, but when I look at people sometimes, [0:36:56] I kind of like, okay, you're saying you're a male, [0:37:00] but you're kind of female features. [0:37:02] I see that a lot with people, and I kind of wonder about that. [0:37:05] So I'm not denying that there couldn't be something happening for people where they do feel like there may be fluid or something like that. [0:37:15] But the problem is there's nothing that can be done about it. [0:37:17] You can't change somebody. [0:37:19] You can't change their chromosomes. [0:37:22] You give them a fake dick or something. [0:37:23] I mean, you can't. [0:37:24] I mean, have you seen these surgeries? [0:37:26] Frankenstein. [0:37:27] I mean, it's unbelievable what they're doing. [0:37:29] They're cutting people open. [0:37:30] So even if there's something wrong with somebody where they feel off or something, I don't think there's anything to be done about it. [0:37:36] So another secret of psychotherapy is what we do is acceptance. [0:37:42] A large part about what we do in psychotherapy is to help people accept themselves, their bodies, their family situations, their marriage. [0:37:52] Because most of life is accepting things. [0:37:55] That's in Catholicism, it's in Buddhism, it's in everything. [0:37:58] Life is accepting stuff that you can't control or just is. [0:38:02] So, of course, people come to therapy and, you know, [0:38:05] oh, we have to change people. [0:38:06] We can do anything. [0:38:07] This is America. [0:38:09] We can change anything. [0:38:10] We can make you into whatever you want to be, you know. [0:38:13] And most therapists buy into that. [0:38:15] And, of course, the trans kids buy into that. [0:38:17] I want to be a girl. [0:38:18] Can you do it? [0:38:19] Of course I can. [0:38:20] Here's a pill. [0:38:21] I mean, we think this thing. [0:38:23] But the truth is we can't change a lot of stuff that people have. [0:38:26] If someone's like a perfectionist, they're always going to be a perfectionist. [0:38:29] I mean, you can't make someone not a perfectionist. [0:38:31] You can't. [0:38:31] I've tried a million times. [0:38:32] You can't do it. [0:38:33] Yeah. [0:38:34] Right? [0:38:35] So we help people accept. [0:38:36] So if you come in, okay, so I'm not the most attractive person. [0:38:39] Maybe I have breasts this size out here. [0:38:42] Maybe I'm a man. [0:38:43] I have no muscles. [0:38:44] I mean, okay, fine. [0:38:45] So whatever. [0:38:47] You can be something in life except who you are. [0:38:50] Find some profession that fits for you and be who you are. [0:38:54] So we should be doing that with kids. [0:38:55] And we always did that with kids, with sexuality and everything in the past. [0:38:59] Kids come in, I want to be on the football team. [0:39:01] Well, you're 4'2", and you have no muscles, and you have an IQ of 7,000. [0:39:06] I think you're going to be on the chemistry team, not the football team. [0:39:09] And you help people kind of accept that. [0:39:12] But we lost sight of that with the trans thing. [0:39:14] We think we're supposed to change everybody. [0:39:16] And so that was a big myth that we bought into. [0:39:19] There was another tweet that I saw just today. [0:39:22] Actually, Elon Musk put this out. [0:39:24] His daughter or son is trans? [0:39:26] Yeah, yeah. [0:39:28] I forget which. [0:39:29] He's been a good advocate for us. [0:39:31] Yeah, I mean, he dealt with this, I guess, firsthand. [0:39:34] Yeah. [0:39:34] But yeah, so this chart, you know, you've got unkind truths or kind lies. [0:39:43] And which way are we headed? [0:39:45] And we've been in a society that has been preferring to give people kind lies over and over and over again. [0:39:52] And it's just not, we have not been building things. [0:39:55] We have not been ascending to the stars or anything like that. [0:39:59] Things are getting worse. [0:40:00] You know, we've got these freaks, I hate to say it like that, but, you know, shooting [0:40:05] up schools, shooting up churches, taking out, you know, this whole hurt people, hurt people [0:40:09] thing, you know, taking out their rage either against society or themselves. [0:40:14] And then there's been this big uptick too. [0:40:16] Maybe you have something to add on this, but, you know, it used to be that violence was [0:40:22] like targeted for reasons like this person screwed me over and now I'm going to go kill him [0:40:28] or it would be like bloodism right like the factories are going to destroy our way of life [0:40:34] so we're going to start blowing up factories there was some reason for violence yeah now [0:40:40] we're entering this phase of nihilistic terrorism nihilistic violence it has nothing to do with a [0:40:48] personal grudge or you're right you're understanding even ted kaczynski was like you know he's blowing [0:40:53] people up because he had a cause he had he had a there was a reason yeah behind it misguided though [0:40:59] it may be you know we disagree with violence and all of this type of stuff but like we're now seeing [0:41:05] like there was this issue on canfield mountain last year where this kid comes up and starts [0:41:10] lighting fires to draw fire department out to kill them right it was terrible you know then [0:41:17] And a couple of weeks later, you've got some person that has a bunch of weird runes scrawled on a gun that goes and shoots up a school. [0:41:25] And it doesn't make sense because it's like totally nihilistic and it's something new that we really haven't seen before. [0:41:33] What are your thoughts on that? [0:41:34] A lot of thoughts about that. [0:41:35] I'm going to go a little bit kind of alt-right on you here. [0:41:37] Go ahead. [0:41:38] Go ahead. [0:41:38] So the declining IQ in the population is a huge factor. [0:41:42] With lowered IQ comes lowered impulse control ability, [0:41:47] the ability to delay gratification, [0:41:49] deal with disappointment in life. [0:41:51] So you have a less intelligent population, more issues. [0:41:56] You go to our inner cities, it's nonstop nihilism. [0:42:00] That's how they function. [0:42:01] It's just response to everything. [0:42:05] So I think that's a big factor. [0:42:07] I think vaccines are a huge factor. [0:42:09] I didn't take the latest vaccine, [0:42:11] and I'm now a total anti-vaxxer after the research. [0:42:14] I'm so angry at myself for vaccinating my kids and all that. [0:42:17] So, you know, these kids jacked up on vaccines now for the last how many years? [0:42:21] 50 years or so. [0:42:22] I think that's a big factor in impulse control and all that kind of stuff. [0:42:27] And just general mental illness of the population. [0:42:31] I mean, we're an extremely crazy society right now. [0:42:35] The United States of America is like the craziest place in the history of the world. [0:42:40] I mean, just look around. [0:42:42] I mean, everybody is, you know, right? [0:42:45] I went alt right now. [0:42:46] I'm going to go alt fat. [0:42:49] Everybody's fat. [0:42:50] I mean, way overweight. [0:42:52] And they dress like, I don't know how to describe it, like slobs. [0:42:57] They're all tatted up. [0:42:59] You know, they've got 17 dogs. [0:43:01] These people at Walmart where their, like, gut hangs out from under the shirt. [0:43:05] and it's like, why did, has nobody told you and pulled you aside and been like, yeah. [0:43:11] Exactly. [0:43:12] That's the truth, right? [0:43:14] Right, right. [0:43:14] Did anybody even tell you? [0:43:15] I mean, you probably shouldn't dress like that. [0:43:18] Oh, God, we don't want to be judgmental on anybody. [0:43:21] But, you know, I think, in fact, I'll tell you something I do in therapy is tell the truth [0:43:26] in a nice, hopefully in a respectful way. [0:43:29] But I really will tell the truth. [0:43:31] In fact, they did a model called containment, access, truth, reconciliation. [0:43:38] Containment, access, truth, reconciliation. [0:43:41] That comes from my Catholic background. [0:43:44] That we're searching. [0:43:46] Our job as healers is to tell the truth. [0:43:50] You know, what does God expect you to do? [0:43:52] Kind of a way. [0:43:53] So how are you living your life? [0:43:55] So therapists, historically, kind of like, we call it multilateral truth. [0:43:59] We're trying to find everybody's truth, right? [0:44:01] But I try to tell the truth, you know, once I feel like I have them kind of contained. [0:44:07] So I think that's really helpful to people. [0:44:09] They get very angry when you do that. [0:44:11] But a lot of times they'll call me a month later, you know, thanks for telling the truth about that. [0:44:15] Nobody ever told me that before. [0:44:16] Women often will say that to me. [0:44:19] Thanks for telling me that. [0:44:20] You know, nobody, and especially men, never tell me the truth about anything. [0:44:23] So truth is important. We're not giving truth. [0:44:27] But we've created a very mentally ill population, I think. [0:44:31] And I think that the nihilism you're seeing is directly proportional to that. [0:44:36] We're just sick people. [0:44:38] Sick, increasingly less intelligent. [0:44:42] I think what the average IQ now is like 98 or 7 or something. [0:44:45] I mean, it's gone down like three points. [0:44:47] I know the one statistic that I keep throwing out was that like 50% of students that graduate from Post Falls High School can't read and write at their grade level. [0:44:57] Right. [0:44:57] It's like, what are we doing? [0:44:59] 99% of Baltimore middle schoolers cannot do math or English competency tests, cannot pass the test. [0:45:06] Wow. [0:45:07] 99% of middle school. [0:45:09] There was a video circulating around last week that I saw black students in high school going around with a little card with cursive handwriting on it asking his classmates to read it. [0:45:24] Oh, God. [0:45:24] They couldn't read. [0:45:26] They couldn't read. [0:45:27] They cannot read. [0:45:28] It's unbelievable. [0:45:29] No. [0:45:30] And, yeah, I mean. [0:45:32] It's criminal. [0:45:34] But it's also demographics. [0:45:36] Yeah. [0:45:37] And this is why I'm a nationalist, white nationalist. [0:45:42] I mean, demographics matter. [0:45:45] They matter. [0:45:46] And especially, I'm going to go all eugenicist on you, [0:45:51] but if people that are less intelligent are having kids together [0:45:55] and having eight of them, you're having a population [0:45:57] with less intelligent, probably less emotionally competent people. [0:46:04] We've kind of just allowed that to happen, [0:46:06] and encourage that to happen. [0:46:07] Yeah. [0:46:07] And for sure, the people with higher IQs are contracepting, aborting, [0:46:13] delaying marriage, delaying children. [0:46:15] Right. [0:46:15] For sure, that's happening. [0:46:16] I'm sure you do the same. [0:46:17] When I see a nice family with a lot of kids, I always give them the thumbs up. [0:46:21] Yeah. [0:46:22] Thanks for having kids, I always say to them, yeah. [0:46:24] It's so funny, too, because it's like, you know, we've got three, one on the way. [0:46:31] Good job. [0:46:32] It's fun, you know, when you go out in different parts of the country with the family and you will get looks, you know, when you see all, you know, five walking around. [0:46:40] People give you looks and it's like, what's your problem? [0:46:42] I give them the look. [0:46:43] I give them the look right back. [0:46:45] And I'm like, what? [0:46:46] You haven't lived in a healthy society before? [0:46:48] You haven't seen what like a normal family would look like? [0:46:51] I don't know. [0:46:52] Now, there was something you kind of touched on, which is interesting. [0:46:56] And I think it's infected a lot of our structures, our thinking. [0:47:02] And it is this idea of objective truth versus non-objective truth, right? [0:47:08] And you mentioned something where it's like, well, this is your truth and that's their truth. [0:47:12] And there are kind of like, from a certain point of view, right, there's some Obi-Wan Kenobi stuff going on. [0:47:18] But for, what, 2,000 years, generally speaking, especially in the West, I mean, all the way back to the tradition of Aristotle and Plato, [0:47:27] we've in the west believe that there is truth capital t it's outside of our minds it's not [0:47:36] an opinion but it exists in the real world and we can learn about that truth we can adequate our [0:47:44] minds to that yeah as opposed to trying to change the world around us and it just seems like that's [0:47:50] hit this fever pitch like with this whole uh transgender thing um you know you see it in [0:47:56] education too where like I think people have a wrong view of education where it's like you go [0:48:02] to school to get smart and it's like no that's like saying that you play basketball to get tall [0:48:07] that doesn't that's not how it works uh you know hopefully you're homeschooling not going to school [0:48:13] so yeah true true but what is your thought on that I mean on on objective truth and how [0:48:19] how the loss of that, I guess, affects the family, society in general, [0:48:25] and can, I guess, lead to the erosion of social fabric. [0:48:29] Everything. [0:48:30] I think one spin that just came to me is in order to sell psychotherapy [0:48:35] over religion, we had to make multiple truths, right? [0:48:41] So if you want a couple to kind of get along, [0:48:44] everybody has their own truth kind of thing. [0:48:47] you know so we we needed to we needed to kind of uh as a result of the frankfurt school and [0:48:53] these other influences we needed to kind of liberalize society so we had to get rid of truth [0:48:57] so we could sell these other professions these secular professions that did these sort of things [0:49:03] you know but i don't know to me truth has always been an anchor i this is probably the first thing [0:49:10] that hit me when I was in family therapy school, this idea of, you know, multiple truths. And I, [0:49:18] that's not, I don't believe that. I don't believe it. You know, and I really pushed back at that. [0:49:23] And I would say since 1989, when I started, I've been trying to figure out a way to get truth [0:49:28] into my work, to push it into my work, despite the fact that everybody else kind of trying to [0:49:35] push it out, you know? So I guess truth is an anchor, right? Logos is, I mean, it's an anchor. [0:49:41] You can't... Well, and this is also like, I think it goes into a lot of the, you know, [0:49:46] we're not going to get into Vatican II. It's fine. But this idea of, you know, [0:49:54] the Frankfurt School people, Horkheimer and Adorno, would characterize truth as an ever-moving [0:50:02] constellation of stars in a way. And it's like, no, actually truth can't change. Truth can't [0:50:11] change. If two and two is true, if two and two equals four is true on Monday, then it's true [0:50:17] every day of the week. There is no day of the week where it will be five or three or two or anything [0:50:21] else. It is what it is. And there's been a massive shift since World War II, specifically, [0:50:31] in that we live in a world of multiple truths [0:50:35] and that's your truth [0:50:36] and I self-identify as a 500-pound black woman [0:50:39] and that's my truth. [0:50:40] And if you say anything about that, [0:50:44] well, then this is like an affront to my existence. [0:50:46] You want me to like no longer, [0:50:47] this is a genocide essentially. [0:50:49] Right, exactly. [0:50:50] It's crazy. [0:50:51] I mean, that's how they're able to sell transgenderism [0:50:54] because people would embrace this. [0:50:57] And therapists are like, I know you're not a girl. [0:50:59] friends of mine would be like, I know they're not [0:51:01] but I don't know, I guess, what am I just supposed to go along with it? [0:51:05] And I had this one guy who was supervising, he said, I'm not going along with it [0:51:08] I'm just going to tell people right off the bat, you're not a girl [0:51:10] I said, I'll back you up, but you're going to get a lot of heat [0:51:14] from everybody else [0:51:16] I almost majored in philosophy, I wasn't smart enough to major in philosophy [0:51:22] but because of this question, I thought that was true [0:51:26] I go outside in the morning and I just look at the stuff I know is real, [0:51:30] the sun and grass and things, and that's true. [0:51:34] That's real. [0:51:36] I wrote a sub stack about truth and realness, I guess, a couple weeks ago. [0:51:40] Let me see if I can pull it up. [0:51:41] Your job is, it might have been three or four weeks ago. [0:51:44] Your job is to discover true, real, and good. [0:51:47] Yeah, isn't that funny? [0:51:48] Here it is. [0:51:49] Yeah. [0:51:50] Wrong one. [0:51:51] There we go. [0:51:52] Yeah. [0:51:53] And by the way, your Substack, the link is in the show notes below. [0:51:57] Thank you. [0:51:58] It's oldschoolcounselor.substack.com. [0:52:01] So for those of you that are on Substack, definitely give him a read. [0:52:05] He's got a lot of interesting stuff over here. [0:52:07] We'll plug all of your stuff. [0:52:09] And I guess I'm getting a demonic possession there. [0:52:12] You know, lost souls want the rest of the world to be as lost as they are. [0:52:16] Dark souls want the rest of the world to be, which is a satanic impulse, really, right? [0:52:21] Yeah. [0:52:21] darken the world, right? Interesting. Yeah. That's interesting. Damaged souls want a damaged world. [0:52:27] That's what you have. And you do see that a lot with people that they, rather than improve, [0:52:33] they just want to bring everybody else down with them. Yeah. Well, I think, I think there's a lot [0:52:37] of that too with the, um, like with the abortion movement, you know, like a lot of women, a lot of [0:52:42] women, they get an abortion. They're not really thinking that, Hey, you know, I murdered my kid. [0:52:47] I just committed murder. But eventually it starts to set in and it afflicts them. It afflicts their [0:52:54] conscience. It drives them nuts. And basically you've got two, you know, here I am saying this, [0:53:03] but you've got two paths that you can go down. Path one is like accepting that what you did is [0:53:08] wrong and then begging forgiveness from God. Right. The other path is, well, I'm just going [0:53:14] to convince as many other people as humanly possible to do the same thing that I did. [0:53:18] And then maybe I won't feel as bad for having done what I did if I can convince everyone [0:53:24] else to do it. [0:53:25] Misery loves company. [0:53:26] And she does protest too much. [0:53:27] Yeah. [0:53:28] Absolutely. [0:53:29] Yeah. [0:53:29] This women's movement. [0:53:30] I mean, to me, it's like that whole thing looks like a giant mentally ill rally. [0:53:35] It is. [0:53:36] You know, they put on the pink hats and they scream and it's just like, that's not normal. [0:53:40] At least to me, it's not normal. [0:53:42] And there's a social psychological term for what you just described, you know, exaggerating a belief because you're trying to deny an impulse that you have. [0:53:54] Absolutely. [0:53:55] I think that's what the radical abortion industry is all about, women in denial about what they've done. [0:54:02] And that's why when someone shows them a picture, oh, that's the head, and they rip the arms off, and they show people. [0:54:07] Well, you're not allowed to show that because you're misrepresenting reality, and that's not what they're going to do. [0:54:11] You know, they don't know. [0:54:13] They don't want to be reminded of that, you know, at all. [0:54:16] And, you know, I have great compassion for these women. [0:54:20] I mean, what they went through. [0:54:21] I mean, I'm sure they're faced with awful challenges, [0:54:24] a big struggle in their life, whatever, terrible decision. [0:54:28] Somebody probably talked them into something, whatever. [0:54:31] But they get caught up in it, and then they become radicals. [0:54:35] Yeah. [0:54:35] You know, and it's an awful thing. [0:54:38] How many babies have been murdered in the last... [0:54:41] 70 million. [0:54:41] 70 million, I mean, yeah. [0:54:43] Something like that, I think. [0:54:44] Being a therapist who's pro-life, [0:54:47] you know, there are times I had to be pretty quiet about it. [0:54:51] Although occasionally I would speak out. [0:54:53] Occasionally it was a challenge with some of my clients. [0:54:57] I have gotten to the point in my career [0:54:58] where I'm less comfortable working with the most radical leftists [0:55:02] because I think something like abortion is probably going to come up. [0:55:07] But early in my career I did a lot of, [0:55:09] yes, oh, it must be difficult for you, [0:55:11] I did a lot of empathy and just sort of put my beliefs aside and went with it. [0:55:18] Interesting. [0:55:19] Now, what do you think about – because I've definitely seen this. [0:55:25] I've seen it in my own life. [0:55:26] I don't think I've ever really talked about this. [0:55:28] I wasn't planning on it either. [0:55:29] Well, when you're with a therapist, you tend to talk about it. [0:55:31] Right, right. [0:55:32] Okay, all right. [0:55:33] Let me get on the couch real quick. [0:55:34] But, no, I mean, I had ADD, right? [0:55:36] I had ADD. [0:55:37] I've always had it. [0:55:38] I've been kind of a jump around. [0:55:39] I start projects. [0:55:40] I don't finish, you know, stuff like this. [0:55:43] Yeah. [0:55:44] And I remember, you know, after Charlottesville, that was extremely traumatic. [0:55:48] It was a traumatic thing or whatever. [0:55:50] And I wound up starting, was it Adderall? [0:55:53] Or whatever. [0:55:54] Oh, right then. [0:55:55] It was after Charlottesville. [0:55:56] Because I was, like, incapable of doing creative work. [0:55:58] I was incapable of, like, thinking thoughts through. [0:56:01] I couldn't read books. [0:56:03] I mean, it was a total disaster. [0:56:05] What a trauma. [0:56:05] I never actually connected that link there, that there was like a traumatic event. [0:56:12] And then I started taking Adderall or whatever. [0:56:17] It was actually Wayne Hoffman who was on this program a couple weeks ago, [0:56:21] who I think it was like December of 2023 was just like, you should just stop. [0:56:25] Just stop taking the stuff. [0:56:26] And I'm like, okay. [0:56:28] And then I just cold turkeyed it. [0:56:30] And so it's been good, certainly. [0:56:33] but it was interesting [0:56:36] because I used to [0:56:38] especially when I moved up here [0:56:39] I got a [0:56:40] I can't remember [0:56:42] there's a difference between a psychiatrist [0:56:44] and a psychologist [0:56:44] Psychiatrist is the prescriber [0:56:45] Psychiatrist is the behavioral [0:56:47] how your head works [0:56:49] So I was with some group [0:56:52] and they would do talk therapy [0:56:54] and then they'd give you the prescription [0:56:56] and I had a Mormon guy [0:56:58] and he wasn't bad [0:57:00] he was great to talk to [0:57:01] you know it was great then he quit because of the COVID stuff he couldn't go along with it anymore [0:57:08] and he's just like I'm tapping out by the way you're gonna get you're gonna get a new shrink [0:57:14] or whatever yeah I was like okay and the guy that replaced him was a Jewish guy right and so [0:57:22] something happened I like was like running for governor and he looks at the newspaper that [0:57:28] morning and it happened to be a day that I was supposed to talk to him to get my like my [0:57:31] prescription refilled or whatever and I'm on the front page of the newspaper and it's like you know [0:57:35] holocaust denying white nationalist rings for governor and he called like you know we get on [0:57:40] the call and he just starts reading me the riot act there's something fucking wrong with you [0:57:43] you're crazy I'm gonna discontinue your meds uh this is driving you nuts you're living in [0:57:50] la la land or whatever and I was just like okay fuck you bye you know I wish I had recorded it [0:57:57] because I'm pretty sure that he violated some sort of law. [0:58:00] Most definitely. [0:58:01] You know, doing that. [0:58:04] Was he saying, I'm concerned that what I'm prescribing could be impacting you? [0:58:10] Yeah. [0:58:10] Or was he saying you're a terrible person? [0:58:13] It was both. [0:58:15] It was like, you're wrong, your ideas are despicable, [0:58:18] and I think that having you on Adderall is like making it worse. [0:58:23] And, of course, it was because I could think thoughts through [0:58:26] and I could like accomplish a task. [0:58:28] I could like do, and so he's like, fuck that. [0:58:30] We don't want this guy accomplishing tasks. [0:58:32] We don't want him like doing stuff. [0:58:34] But that gets me thinking, [0:58:37] there's gotta be a lot of that in, [0:58:40] not only in like the therapy world, [0:58:41] but like in the media world, [0:58:43] people that are accurately seeing [0:58:46] what's going on in this country. [0:58:48] The replacement of the white population, [0:58:51] the demoralization of the white people [0:58:54] in all Western countries, [0:58:55] the invasion uh you know holocaust reparations and the remembrance day and all of this stuff [0:59:02] and it's like if you're and the war right the genocide in gaza you know killing kids and then [0:59:08] demonizing the kids that you're killing because like their mother's mother voted for hamas in [0:59:13] 1996 or something like this it's crazy yeah and it so there's definitely been since the [0:59:21] authoritarian personality this this pathologizing people that are adequately [0:59:29] responding to reality if that makes sense so i guess what would your thoughts be [0:59:36] you know talking to a white nationalist or a dissident right or a alt right or whatever like [0:59:43] what would your uh advice or take be to one of these like young guys because they get [0:59:51] They get angry. [0:59:52] Everyone's denying what's happening in front of their own eyes. [0:59:56] And it causes people to get, like, very angry, irrational. [0:59:59] It's a great question. [1:00:00] And actually both sides are struggling with this. [1:00:03] You know, a lot of the anti-Trump therapists believe that they need to be honest with their clients. [1:00:10] You know, the immigration, the ISIS, you know, whatever. [1:00:14] So both sides of the political aisle are dealing with this now. [1:00:19] But it's a really important issue, and it's something that I've dealt with a lot because I've advertised myself. [1:00:28] First I did it subtly, now more overtly, as you can see from my website, as a conservative therapist or a traditional therapist. [1:00:37] So it's really important for people to know who they're getting. [1:00:44] And I would say, over the years, a lot of the complaints I got would be around gun issues. [1:00:49] Second Amendment gun guys, gun owners would say, [1:00:53] I'm afraid to tell my therapist I have guns, [1:00:56] or I'm afraid to say the Second Amendment's an important issue to me [1:01:00] because they may lock me up. [1:01:02] Red flag. [1:01:03] Yeah, that's actually a real concern that people have. [1:01:08] And then just conservative values. [1:01:10] Having conservative values would get me labeled in therapy or whatever. [1:01:13] So I think for a conservative man to find validation for his perception of the real world is very, very difficult. [1:01:27] And it's an underserved population. [1:01:30] Interesting. [1:01:30] So that's why I'm really trying to outreach to those guys, you know, because I think I've done a lot of work with them over the years, [1:01:36] but it's very much an underserved population because they are seeing reality. [1:01:40] They are seeing the world properly, and they're not getting, you know. [1:01:45] And sometimes they'll get something like, well, the world is a complicated place, [1:01:50] and we have to figure out a way to make sense with the various polarities. [1:01:55] And this is what people did during COVID. [1:01:57] Oh, well, some people are vax, and some are anti-vax. [1:02:00] And people are like, well, no, it's actually a criminal conspiracy happening before our eyes. [1:02:06] I'm actually seeing it. [1:02:07] You mean the CIA is doing something to you? [1:02:10] Are you maybe psychotic? [1:02:12] No, there actually are criminals in the government. [1:02:15] One guy's name is Fauci, and then all these other people. [1:02:17] They actually are trying to kill us. [1:02:19] Oh, I'm that way. [1:02:20] So, yeah. [1:02:22] I mean, it's comical. [1:02:24] It is comical. [1:02:25] You have to laugh about it. [1:02:26] If you don't laugh, you'll cry, you know. [1:02:28] But it's unbelievable. [1:02:30] It's unbelievable. [1:02:31] But it's, you know. [1:02:33] Excuse me, Dick. [1:02:33] No, go ahead. [1:02:34] Put out feelers, dog whistles. [1:02:36] If you're going to somebody you're not sure, [1:02:37] in the first session, put some dog whistles out [1:02:40] and see how it goes. [1:02:42] And you'll know within 15, 20 minutes. [1:02:44] And then just don't come back. [1:02:46] Try many therapists. [1:02:48] Try three, four, five, until you find one that's okay. [1:02:50] This guy is probably going to work. [1:02:53] And I would start with [1:02:54] people who are similar to you. [1:02:56] If you're Catholic, find a Catholic therapist. [1:02:58] At least if you're finding a Mormon, [1:02:59] they're going to be close enough, something like that. [1:03:02] Find someone similar to you. [1:03:03] Look for their last name. [1:03:05] I kind of like that name. [1:03:06] this last name pretty much can tell [1:03:09] their picture on psychology today [1:03:11] of course you can tell a lot from that [1:03:13] their bio you can read it [1:03:15] if they say military, if they say [1:03:17] Christian counseling, probably [1:03:19] a pretty good bet, if they say [1:03:21] LGB, blah blah blah blah, all the other [1:03:23] run, don't walk [1:03:24] probably not a good [1:03:26] do you think there will ever be a full on split [1:03:29] in a total [1:03:31] polarization in psychotherapy [1:03:33] because I'm like, I'm playing [1:03:34] I'm thinking about this I'm playing it out in my head and it's like no like if our guys if there [1:03:40] was like a right wing or whatever based uh psychotherapists they would actually like help [1:03:46] people yes they would like actually help people and if there was left wing goofball psychotherapy [1:03:53] everybody would just be like picking up guns and shooting themselves or and or each other yes um [1:03:58] I feel like that would just as an experiment like it would not take very long it would it would [1:04:03] collapse immediately so that's my spin and that's been my focus for the last five years is splitting [1:04:10] the profession starting a new and i even formed a church i'm trying to find ways to spin out of [1:04:17] psychotherapy into other healing avenues that the state can't you know churches are protected you [1:04:25] know in the united states so so other ways we could help people that aren't in the you know [1:04:30] like a return to the land is doing a membership association. So the church was the sort of same [1:04:35] concept. And I think the same thing could happen with psychotherapy, but you know, I'm a secessionist. [1:04:40] So I'm, I'm, I want the whole thing to come apart. I, cause I don't, I don't see how there can be, [1:04:46] how you can coexist. And I'm really worried, you know, in psychotherapy. I mean, there's such a [1:04:52] dramatic shift now. You have many therapists on the left that I would never work with a Trump [1:04:56] supporter period if i find out my client is a trump supporter i'll make up an excuse and i'll [1:05:02] just dump him i mean this is people are saying this outright are there like forums where other [1:05:06] psychotherapists go to talk facebook there's a conservative therapist facebook that i've been [1:05:11] very active on i'm working with some other people now to do a summit for psychotherapies i'd love to [1:05:16] do it here in idaho that bring all the conservative therapists in the country together because i want [1:05:21] a new profession or at least a completely transparent profession so people know you know [1:05:28] my web page I kind of lay out who I am yeah but a lot of therapists don't do that no you have no [1:05:33] idea yeah who you're getting and it's like well you go in there and you wasted all your money and [1:05:38] time so to your question I would like to see a split I think it maybe is inevitable and I think [1:05:44] society-wide because I just don't understand how people with dramatically different worldviews can [1:05:51] coexist it's certainly not a nation yeah when the American nation died 40 years ago I mean there's [1:05:58] no nation here it's just so I think that's what I'm for people I'm with other conservatives still [1:06:05] have more hope and they're still trying to maybe infuse the profession with better ideas you know [1:06:11] like feminism did. Now we want to kind of push conservative, you know, traditional values back [1:06:16] in. So there's that strain that's trying to do that. Reform versus revolution. Yes. Yeah. And [1:06:22] I'm clearly a revolutionary and I, you know, I say things out loud that people don't say. Yeah. I, [1:06:26] I say things strategically to try to push a split because I, I just want to hurry it up. [1:06:33] Yeah. That's where I'm at, you know. Now there's one, I guess, in closing, [1:06:36] and I'm going to have to, usually I've been, you know, lately for those that have been very astute [1:06:42] and watching, I've been kind of like pre-recording segments with people and then going live to read [1:06:47] the ads. I'm sorry. I'm going to have to make you sit through a bunch of batteries in a minute here, [1:06:51] but I feel bad. I don't buy the products. No, buy the products. No, buy some coffee. [1:06:58] But no, I went over to your house, you know, full disclosters. And right when I first pulled up, [1:07:06] You said something that blew my mind. And I was just like, wow. And it was about the change in American society based on the family, based on there are no more middle children anymore. [1:07:20] Oh, yeah. That blew my mind. So can you I want you to explain this and get other people thinking about this, too, because when it comes to this attack on the family, [1:07:30] which is pretty well acknowledged, I think, at this point, at least by conservatives and people in our circles. [1:07:37] There was this big interview on Sean Ryan a couple months ago with Father Ripperger talking about it's an attack on the family. [1:07:46] It's an attack on the family. [1:07:48] They're breaking the family up. [1:07:49] They're doing all of this. [1:07:51] But there are serious ramifications and consequences from that that I'd never considered. [1:08:00] And one of them is just like the loss of the middle child. [1:08:02] So like, oh, wow. [1:08:03] Run through that a little bit. [1:08:05] I'm glad that impacted you. [1:08:05] I thought that was interesting. [1:08:07] And I'm not an expert on sibling dynamics. [1:08:08] I've read about it. [1:08:10] But as I said, it's a neglected area of family therapy. [1:08:14] We tend to focus on the parents, you know, the mother, especially, you know, and the kids. [1:08:19] But birth order really, really does matter. [1:08:23] I mean, we do see typical characteristics based on birth order. [1:08:28] oldest tend to be leaders in society youngest tend to be comedians and lawyers and you know [1:08:36] trying to draw attention to themselves in a way that they couldn't get because their older brother [1:08:40] was you know beating down on them all the time and you know middles tend to be collaborators you [1:08:45] know therapists whatever to try to you know kind of because they're always seeing kind of both sides [1:08:50] of things you know um so if and you know the average american family has 2.1 something in [1:08:58] there something like that you know so and when you walk around that's what you see you see two you see [1:09:03] mom and dad if a mom and dad and i know thankfully usually a mom and a dad and two kids boy and a [1:09:09] girl usually they probably had some designer thing they didn't get boy and a girl um so there aren't [1:09:14] any middles anymore right so the implications of that is that personality type the collaborator [1:09:20] or whatever middle children have is missing. [1:09:25] So you have leaders and comedians battling it out all the time. [1:09:31] And think about politics. [1:09:33] Those two personality types are now in politics kind of battling it out, [1:09:37] especially in the younger cohort. [1:09:39] So what does that mean? [1:09:40] It might mean a less collaborative society. [1:09:43] Some people have speculated that it means a less collaborative society [1:09:47] and more warlike factions. [1:09:52] Interesting. [1:09:52] So I think it is it. [1:09:53] I think birth order is very, very interesting. [1:09:56] Think about your own birth order and people you know. [1:09:58] If you have a party, you know, I've been to a party here at your house, Dave, [1:10:01] and, you know, you could probably say, all right, middle child. [1:10:06] You're an oldest for sure. [1:10:07] You can probably pick people out based on how they act and stuff. [1:10:11] The behavior and stuff like this, yeah. [1:10:13] I'm glad that interested you. [1:10:13] No, I thought that was quite profound, actually. [1:10:17] I mean, I remember I called my dad and was like, let me lay this on you. [1:10:20] Oh, that's really nice of you. [1:10:21] Thank you. [1:10:22] Nice to know that somebody listened to something. [1:10:23] I do. [1:10:24] I do. [1:10:24] And, you know, because it's so interesting. [1:10:26] You know, my dad grew up in a household with, you know, eight kids. [1:10:31] It was probably total chaos. [1:10:33] Even my mom, I think, what, she had like five or six siblings. [1:10:36] I should know that. [1:10:38] My bad. [1:10:38] Sorry, Mom. [1:10:39] Probably watching. [1:10:41] She's going to text me. [1:10:42] I had, you know, X number of siblings. [1:10:45] but you know it's like [1:10:48] we went from that and then I'm an only child [1:10:51] and then you know [1:10:52] here we are you know we're working on number [1:10:55] four and [1:10:56] it's funny too my cousin [1:10:59] texted me actually just out of the blue [1:11:00] and I was like yeah you know [1:11:02] got our forthcoming and she's like oh wow [1:11:05] well how many are you planning for [1:11:07] and I'm like there's no plan [1:11:08] it's as many as God [1:11:10] sends you know but it's [1:11:12] super interesting and you know [1:11:14] I feel like there's a lot of unintended consequences for the social engineering in our society. [1:11:22] I mean, maybe it was foreseeable to some degree, but I don't think most people were thinking through any of this stuff. [1:11:29] I doubt they thought about that. [1:11:31] But I think you're totally right. [1:11:33] All of these things have vast implications. [1:11:35] Interesting. [1:11:36] And there's a reason that we had large families and that that was God's design. [1:11:41] There was a reason for that. [1:11:42] The world must work better. [1:11:44] that way right yeah and when you start messing around tinkering with this and [1:11:49] the environment and all these things i mean of course it's going to go wrong yeah chemtrail i [1:11:54] mean yeah oh and and you mentioned the designer thing too with like crisper and you know now we're [1:11:59] entering this era of designer babies picking their eye color picking their height and iq and all this [1:12:06] stuff and i remember i was actually watching like was a jf uh gripe uh this was like six years ago [1:12:13] five years ago? [1:12:14] Is he for that? [1:12:15] Is he for it? [1:12:15] Well, I don't think so. [1:12:18] I can't do a French accent. [1:12:20] I don't think so. [1:12:22] And it's not just French accents, [1:12:23] French Canadian. [1:12:24] So it's a little goofy. [1:12:25] But anyway, shout out Jay off. [1:12:28] But he did this episode [1:12:29] about one of the first people [1:12:31] that was like a gene edited designer baby. [1:12:35] And they had like, [1:12:38] I guess they were like HIV positive. [1:12:40] And the point of the edit that they did, [1:12:42] the gene edit was to make them HIV impervious. Oh, and the point of that is that it's like [1:12:49] your parents had HIV. They're giving it to the kids like in utero. People that have HIV are [1:12:58] generally more promiscuous. HIV is a disease that kills you for abusing your faculties for, [1:13:06] you know, sexual reproduction, right? So you're taking away the physical consequences of the sin, [1:13:15] essentially. And now you're breeding people that are going to be both hypersexual and impervious [1:13:21] to HIV, which would normally cull that population. Now they're going to be, you see what I mean? And [1:13:26] it's like the ramifications of that will not be felt for a hundred or 200 years. And God knows [1:13:34] where that could bring society. [1:13:35] So there's a lot of that type of stuff, I think, [1:13:38] that's happening in the medical profession everywhere. [1:13:43] And they're not thinking through it. [1:13:44] Social anthropology or something like that? [1:13:45] I guess, yeah. [1:13:46] I don't know what Gary people think. [1:13:47] All my teachers and college, [1:13:50] I took psychology at Harvard. [1:13:53] I had, what was my teacher's name? [1:13:55] Dr. Stephen Wolf Foster, I think was his name. [1:13:58] Real interesting guy, total beatnik. [1:14:00] You know, he would wear like that collared turtleneck shirt and, you know, one of those like beret hats to class. [1:14:07] And he would just like talk about taking LSD in the 60s like all the time. [1:14:11] It's just like this is kind of a joke, you know, but, you know, abnormal psychology at Harvard. [1:14:15] You know, what are you going to do? [1:14:16] That's one of the fun classes to take. [1:14:18] It was a fun class. [1:14:19] I got to tell you. [1:14:20] But yeah, well, let's let's get people plugged in to you. [1:14:24] please follow Kevin. If you're interested in this stuff, he is on X at Kevin Kerbick. [1:14:32] Real simple. I've been using my real name the last couple of years. [1:14:35] And obviously from there, you can get to his website. Maybe if you are someone looking for [1:14:41] therapy, you can get in touch. I don't know. But he's got a whole website there. You do have a book, [1:14:46] like I said at the beginning. The book is here. It is Living a Good Life. I should actually, [1:14:52] I'll read this. I've been inundated with books. [1:14:55] That's just a pamphlet. [1:14:56] Yeah. [1:14:57] Okay. [1:14:57] My own thoughts. [1:14:58] Looks like a book. [1:14:59] Cultural secession and nation building. [1:15:01] So it's basically a primer on moving towards secession, starting with cultural secession. [1:15:07] How would we build a healthy community? [1:15:10] Because this was broken. [1:15:12] Yeah, no, and I think you're right about that. [1:15:14] It's going to be normal. [1:15:17] Define normal. [1:15:18] Who's normal? [1:15:18] No one's really normal in one sense of the word. [1:15:21] but like it'll be, you know, families that are productive. [1:15:24] They're having kids. [1:15:25] They're building businesses. [1:15:26] They're not giving in. [1:15:28] Can fix stuff, can grow stuff. [1:15:30] Yeah, building a parallel society, a parallel economy, [1:15:33] and I don't know, waiting it out. [1:15:36] I don't really know if that's an option. [1:15:38] We'll see. [1:15:39] We'll see what happens. [1:15:40] It's going to be crazy in this country. [1:15:42] And then, of course, your Substack. [1:15:43] And all the links to this are in the show notes below. [1:15:48] It is oldschoolcounselor.substack.com. [1:15:51] Kevin, thank you so much for coming on. [1:15:52] Oh, it's my pleasure. [1:15:53] I really enjoyed it, David. [1:15:54] And now I'm going to read some ads. [1:15:56] Well, and actually, I was going to say, which camera angle should I do for this? [1:16:00] I guess this one. [1:16:00] I did get a big freaking box, and I forgot to do this on the Monday show. [1:16:09] Oh, my God. [1:16:10] This thing is actually huge. [1:16:12] So thank you to the person that sent this to me. [1:16:16] I'm not going to dox you. [1:16:17] Don't worry about it. [1:16:18] but it's a box full of books. [1:16:21] Oh, my goodness. [1:16:22] And a letter that I've got to read. [1:16:24] So here, let me pull one of these. [1:16:26] Maybe I'll even give you a copy of that. [1:16:27] Sure. [1:16:28] Oh, my God. [1:16:30] So this is, somebody sent me a box full of books called Secret Hitler. [1:16:38] And by the way, this is like, if you've ever been to one of my parties, [1:16:42] usually by the end of the night, you know, it's like 11 o'clock, [1:16:45] people are starting to leave. [1:16:46] that's when we break out secret Hitler, [1:16:48] which is this fantastic little board game. [1:16:51] You know, [1:16:52] it's, [1:16:52] you get like 10 people to play four out of 10 are fascists. [1:16:57] One is secretly Hitler and it's the job of the liberals to hunt and figure [1:17:03] out who, [1:17:03] who the Nazis are. [1:17:05] It sounds like a Gen X game. [1:17:06] And you know, [1:17:07] kill Hitler and that's how you win. [1:17:10] So it's not like a, [1:17:11] it's not like a pro Nazi game or something like that. [1:17:14] It's just a good game. [1:17:15] It's, [1:17:15] it's like, [1:17:16] clue or a murder mystery type thing. Anyway, oh, and by the way, we did have super chats. So see, [1:17:23] this is where my ADD is all over the place. I'm going to read this letter real quick, [1:17:27] and then we're going to get into some of the super chats, and then I'll do the ads. [1:17:32] But anyway, it says, Dave, I hope you enjoy the book. If you find time to read it, [1:17:36] I've included a few extra copies. Feel free to give them away to friends, supporters, [1:17:39] or listeners. I don't have a mailing address for any of the other hosts in your town, [1:17:42] so please feel free to pass copies along to them as well. I will. The book includes characters from [1:17:47] the far right, including fictional chapters of Patriot Front, Proud Boys, and Nova. It includes [1:17:53] characters from other extremist movements, including fictional members of Antifa and [1:17:58] Freedom Cells, representing the far left and the anarchist libertarian movements, [1:18:02] though Freedom Cell members tend to be more open to discussions about Jewish power than [1:18:09] other libertarian groups. It also explores some of the division within the far right, such as the [1:18:13] religious debates between pagans, Christian identitarians, and Christians who are struggling [1:18:16] with the corruption in the mainstream churches. I think you'll enjoy seeing how the Catholic [1:18:20] characters deal with their Jesuit priest, and then the role that that plays in the broader narrative [1:18:25] of how we can expose the subversive infiltrators in society, even as they try to subvert and [1:18:31] infiltrate the groups that oppose them. I think it's a subject that needs to be discussed more, [1:18:35] especially in the wake of the SPLC revelations. I tried to give each faction on the right as well [1:18:41] as the non-right their fair share of interesting characters and meaningful moments. It also [1:18:46] explores the difficulty of uniting the right, so to speak, when it's in our nature to be tribalistic [1:18:52] and compete with one another, especially when we have also, we also have to be paranoid about [1:18:57] infiltrators and bad actors. It's hard to keep even one real-life group strong for years, and [1:19:01] I've seen a few local groups come and go, but I'm also part of a couple of local groups that have been going strong for a while. [1:19:07] Getting different groups on the right to unite against our bigger enemy is almost as hard as getting libertarians to unite with other libertarians and do things that require more than a single person to do. [1:19:16] True. [1:19:17] If anything in history has ever united people who would otherwise not unite, it's an enemy who's bigger than they are individually. [1:19:24] and the Judeo-globalists definitely qualify. This book was my attempt to help the individuals and [1:19:29] tribalists figure out how to maintain their individuality and tribal identity while working [1:19:34] together against a bigger, deeper enemy and provide for a manual for information warfare [1:19:39] in the era of psychological operations while packing it all into a book that's still entertaining [1:19:44] and interesting enough for people to read it. I also felt compelled to hide it in a book that [1:19:48] a leftist could easily make it 100 pages into without realizing that it's far-right propaganda. [1:19:54] while still making that first 100 pages fun and funny to people who know. [1:19:58] And I had to do it without pulling an Anne Rand [1:20:01] and ranting about my own beliefs for 30 pages. [1:20:04] I don't know whether or not I succeeded at all of that, [1:20:07] but I think I did a good job. [1:20:08] Chapter 3 is the funniest of the early chapters, [1:20:10] and Chapter 4 introduces the conflict in the cathedral, [1:20:13] so I hope you read at least that far. [1:20:15] Sincerely, Secret Himmler. [1:20:18] Well, thank you so much, Secret Himmler, [1:20:21] for sending me so many copies of your book, Secret Hitler. [1:20:25] This is available on Amazon, by the way. [1:20:28] I guess I'll have to put a link in the show notes below at some point. [1:20:32] But yeah, this is like super interesting. [1:20:35] It's like very dense. [1:20:36] Sounds really interesting. [1:20:37] The text in it is actually, it's big enough [1:20:40] that you don't need to pull out the readers. [1:20:42] You can actually just read the book. [1:20:45] But thank you so much for the big-ass box of books. [1:20:48] I think about that all the time. [1:20:50] I will be giving out some. [1:20:51] Here, Kevin, you can have a copy. [1:20:53] There you go. [1:20:53] Normally, it's guests coming on the show giving me books. [1:20:55] Now I'm doing it the other way around. [1:20:57] And while we're at it, this reminded me, this is kind of like an elaborate super chat. [1:21:02] We did actually get a couple of super chats in today's show. [1:21:06] And by the way, if you have any questions that you like answered, got to jump on that, get it in now. [1:21:11] And we will ask the doctor. [1:21:13] Are you technically a doctor? [1:21:14] No. [1:21:15] No. [1:21:15] Okay. [1:21:16] Well, we'll ask Kevin. [1:21:18] So this is from the winged Hussar who sent $10. [1:21:22] Thank you for the big super chat. [1:21:23] He said, I recall reading about Freud and Jung getting into arguments [1:21:27] because Freud was trying to make his version of psychotherapy a dogma going forward [1:21:32] and Jung was derailing it. [1:21:35] To me, that says it all. [1:21:37] That's interesting. [1:21:39] I'm not aware of that. [1:21:40] I do think that's true that Jung was trying to go in a slightly different direction [1:21:45] and he was feeling pulled back for sure. [1:21:48] and Jung is very different [1:21:50] whatever he calls it is very different [1:21:53] he had that [1:21:55] the concept of the over soul [1:21:57] which I thought was kind of an interesting [1:21:59] like when I was in college and I wasn't Catholic [1:22:01] and I was off in la la land [1:22:03] but I was interested [1:22:05] by Jung a little bit [1:22:07] yeah he's fascinating [1:22:08] the cool therapist that everybody loves [1:22:11] the cool person everybody loves [1:22:13] all the mystical people like Jung [1:22:15] yeah [1:22:16] I think I got into him because Sting liked Carl Young or something. [1:22:20] And I'm a big police fan, Sting and the police or whatever. [1:22:24] I don't know. [1:22:25] He believed in his soul, things like that. [1:22:27] He was an interesting character. [1:22:29] Yeah, interesting. [1:22:29] Well, thanks for super chatting. [1:22:31] By the way, if you're still watching, we're going to have to do a bonfire at my house at some point. [1:22:36] So you can drive out. [1:22:37] I'll let you know. [1:22:41] DiscoveryBrix3694 sent $20 on YouTube. [1:22:44] Does Kevin think that Nicolosi reintegrative therapy works? [1:22:50] Can he practice this therapy? [1:22:53] Do you know about Joseph Nicolosi? [1:22:55] So it does work. [1:22:56] I thought it was called, he calls it reintegrative therapy. [1:23:00] I thought it was called reparative therapy. [1:23:01] I thought it was reparative too, but it's six of one. [1:23:04] Yes, it does obviously work. [1:23:06] I think basically it's about homosexuality is caused by trauma and other things [1:23:11] and reverse identification, reverse role modeling, whatever. [1:23:15] It definitely works, and it was killed off by the radicals. [1:23:19] So Idaho does not have a conversion therapy law. [1:23:26] Or a ban on it? [1:23:27] Does it not have a ban on conversion therapy? [1:23:30] In fact, they just went one better, and they actually... [1:23:33] Well, the Supreme Court is really doing some good stuff on that, [1:23:35] but I think technically I could practice that reparative therapy [1:23:40] if the client wanted that here in Idaho. [1:23:42] I don't. I never have. [1:23:44] But I have had a lot of people that were questioning their sexual orientation [1:23:51] and went a different direction or maybe changed as a result of the therapy. [1:23:57] I had a lot of kids over the years. [1:23:59] Parents would bring their little sort of effeminate Johnny into therapy. [1:24:07] and we just want him to have a good male role model, they would say. [1:24:12] Okay, I think I know what that means. [1:24:15] Through a lot of Uno and basketball over a year or so, [1:24:19] maybe that kid went a different direction. [1:24:24] Sexuality is fluid. [1:24:26] No, no, sexuality is not. [1:24:29] Homosexuality is fluid. [1:24:31] Sexuality or sex is not. [1:24:33] We have the exactly opposite. [1:24:34] it homosexuality changes all the time we have a lot of you know angry lesbians had a bad experience [1:24:42] so sorry lesbians i'm not gonna let me say this but this is the truth that a bad experience maybe [1:24:47] a sexual assault something like that and they become you know lesbians they act out then they [1:24:52] go back the other way we have lesbians in in the 90s that are the oos were just just lesbian in [1:25:02] college. Then he goes, oh, I'm not a lesbian anymore. We had that all the time. Milo Yiannopoulos [1:25:07] is talking about now homosexuality being a result of trauma. So definitely it's changeable. And I [1:25:16] think reparative therapy works. And what was done to Nicolosi is an absolute crime. I mean, this is [1:25:20] a guy who had a pretty good theory, and they had to kill him off because he just didn't fit [1:25:25] with the societal expectations about... You know, the craziest thing about [1:25:30] Joseph Nicolosi's stuff is how difficult it is to find his old lectures. I mean, it has been [1:25:38] totally scrubbed from YouTube, from the internet. I remember when I first heard about Nicolosi, [1:25:45] I think it was 2018 maybe, and it just popped up in a YouTube feed. And I was like, holy shit, [1:25:52] this is incredible. This is fascinating. And then I went to go back and find it again, [1:25:58] and it was impossible. I could not find. I'm not surprised. And I remember like what little I [1:26:02] remember of it was basically that like a lot of, a lot of it has to do with the father, right? [1:26:10] If he's like a doormat to his wife, then the child, the young child will sense that real power [1:26:19] comes from the mother and they'll want to identify with that. And so if you have a doormat father [1:26:29] and an overbearing mother, that can be one way. The other way that it happens is with a father [1:26:37] that is tyrannical. So you have to be both the authority and you have to be compassionate and [1:26:47] loving. There you go. Right. You have to have both of those things. That's the key to a parenting. [1:26:51] And if the father is, if he's compassionate without authority, he's a doormat. [1:26:57] If he's authority without compassion, he's a tyrant. Right. And both of those will lead the [1:27:03] young men in the family to identify, either to seek refuge in the mother or will identify power [1:27:10] with the mother and then emulate the power instinct of it. You're a brilliant guy, but not a [1:27:16] professional and you delayed it out in common sense terms anybody could understand yeah of [1:27:21] course things go wrong there and kids can turn out have you know kind of sexual challenges there [1:27:26] no doubt about it i think jung said actually i think it was jung that said that the role of a [1:27:32] strong father is to strip the child away from his mother yes well because masculinity as opposed to [1:27:40] femininity and this is some interesting stuff too that i've been i've been thinking about recently [1:27:44] but masculinity is something that has to be achieved. [1:27:49] You have to work for it, whereas femininity is more passive. [1:27:55] You don't really need to work at it, if that makes some sense. [1:27:59] I haven't heard anybody explain it so well. [1:28:01] This is exactly true. [1:28:03] And what happens is because we don't structure masculine training [1:28:07] for these young men, some of them become gay. [1:28:12] They go a different pathway [1:28:12] because you have to work at masculinity. [1:28:15] So, you know, the Christian church, you say, you know, firm that wrist. [1:28:18] You know, you really, like, there's a process that, you know, [1:28:23] when you're 9, 10, 11, a boy, you don't really know where you're going, [1:28:28] but somebody has to drive you and teach you masculinity. [1:28:32] I remember walking around, how do I hold my hands? [1:28:34] How do I walk? [1:28:35] What do I, you know, this is a role modeling process you're going through. [1:28:39] And since we've thrown that out, we've screwed up sexuality. [1:28:45] And I hadn't really thought of it before that it's different for femininity for girls. [1:28:51] I hadn't really thought of it that way before. [1:28:53] I was going to say, there was a conference that I was at in Oregon last fall, I guess. [1:29:02] And they were talking about differences between men and women. [1:29:06] and the idea of like value women are born with a high level of value right you're young you're [1:29:17] good looking a virgin right um and as time goes on they're not a virgin anymore the looks fade [1:29:26] they're not young you know and value goes down over time whereas with men you have to work at it [1:29:34] But value goes up over. [1:29:36] You start with nothing and have to build up out of that. [1:29:40] And so there's this kind of inverse relationship. [1:29:42] Yeah. [1:29:42] If you're not in prison at 39 and the man, you got a pretty good, pretty good chance. [1:29:47] So you got two years. [1:29:49] I mean, you got a pretty good chance. [1:29:51] You're probably going to get over that hump and your value is going to rise if you play [1:29:55] your cards right. [1:29:56] For sure. [1:29:56] Interesting. [1:29:57] Interesting. [1:29:58] Yeah. [1:29:58] Well, thanks for the super chats. [1:30:00] And yeah, Winged Hussar said, I love reading. 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