Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City: Aarvol’s Plan to Rebuild the West

Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed The Backlash Ep. 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West.mp4 [0:03:53] Rebecca Hargraves Welcome to the backlash. I am your host Rebecca Hargraves. This is Mr. Dave Riley barely bringing a show to us today We couldn't even hear our hype music, which means so I'm not hyped and this is gonna be a disaster. I'm just joking It's just gonna be great. It's gonna be great. Um, you can find us on X at real backlash our website the backlash dot net Support us on subscribe star dot com slash the backlash patreon dot com slash the backlash send your super chats that will be read alive To the backlash dot net slash super chat sub to us on YouTube at real backlash Rumble backlash podcast. Thank you for joining us today I really appreciate it. I also want to thank our sponsors at les bullion, Idaho, Talow and a low pill We'll talk about you guys in a little bit, but first without further ado I'd like to welcome our guest Eric our wall is a co-founder and president of return to the land [0:04:46] Dave Reilly Private membership association, which exists to coordinate facilitate the foundation and maintenance of white intentional communities across the United States [0:04:54] Rebecca Hargraves He also teaches courses on Plato, Aristotle and Pythagoreanism and produces Educational content through his YouTube channel on anthropology physics and [0:05:04] Dave Reilly Contemporary philosophy. Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it [0:05:09] Cameron M Absolutely glad to be here. I'm hyped anyway [0:05:12] Rebecca Hargraves Good [0:05:13] Cameron M I'm glad to hear it. Um, let's get right into it [0:05:15] Rebecca Hargraves What inspired you to restart to start return to the land Um, and how has your background in philosophy and anthropology Influenced that mission [0:05:29] Dave Reilly Sure. Yeah, I mean intentional communities just look like the obvious solution to the situation that our people are in for [0:05:37] Cameron M More than a decade now, you know in early In the early 2010s. I was making philosophy videos and I wasn't really focused on race But my comment section kind of red cold me and a lot of arguments as to why I really should be caring about this But I already came into it with a belief in education as the center of life and intentional community So I kind of applied The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:06:01] Rebecca Hargraves The circumstance that our race is in now to my pre-existing interest in [0:06:07] Cameron M Philosophical education as an organizing principle of community and intentional community as a way to [0:06:13] Rebecca Hargraves Basically adapt to a more complex world in the past we could rely on unintentional organic community [0:06:22] Cameron M Because society was more or less healthy, you know But we're not in a healthy society. We have all of the this laundry list of societal issues not just racial issues, but also drug [0:06:34] Rebecca Hargraves drug abuse [0:06:36] Cameron M You know like orcs is huge. It's just everything is falling apart people are addicted to porn Video games in cells. So we have to think of how we can kind of re-institute the social contract in a more explicit way You know liberalism as a whole I saw as a failure back then But the principle underlying liberal liberalism that we should kind of explicitly consent to our social arrangements [0:07:06] Rebecca Hargraves As sovereign individuals there that's something I don't think we should completely abandon [0:07:10] Cameron M You know, we should abandon the naive notion that that's just the kind of starting point of who we are Before we're individuals were members of collectives that informs who we are So we have to take all of that stuff that's given but then once we reach a point of self-reflective consciousness agency We really have to take more seriously the obligation that we have to enter into our social arrangements Intentionally with purpose and in the case of you know our demographic demographic situation we have to do it so that we survive as a people because currently we're just not going to do that Policy is not changing immigration is not drastically changing in the next couple decades And even if immigration was cut off today, we would still be a minority By mid-century. So there's just to my mind isn't any other alternative. Yeah, so how does European heritage [0:08:07] Rebecca Hargraves factor into the membership criteria of return to the land [0:08:12] Cameron M Well, we are an association for people of European heritage who celebrate that heritage We also have some basic guidelines on values. We accept Christians and pagans or even agnostics just traditional [0:08:24] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed European religious beliefs are all acceptable in our eyes [0:08:29] Cameron M You know, we don't exclude people on the basis of any one criteria in isolation Admissions decisions are made on a case-by-case basis But we are a European heritage group and we don't think there's anything wrong with that [0:08:44] Rebecca Hargraves There are many groups in the US for black Americans for Asian Americans [0:08:50] Cameron M So we have a group for European Americans who celebrate that ancestry [0:08:56] Rebecca Hargraves How do you plan to integrate this is interesting the the Christian and the pagan communities within return to the land [0:09:03] Cameron M I had to ask it. No, it's okay. It's a good quote. I was I was gonna get to the bottom. I mean, I've got a whole Get to the bottom of it. I've got a whole plenty of questions myself But I'm still kind of like doing the technical stuff over here. So um, yeah, sorry go ahead Yeah, it actually hasn't been as much of an issue as you might suspect I think in a way we're selecting for more moderate people on both sides I think if you find um If you found a community of fundamental fundamentalist Christians or fundamentalist pagans These are people who are going to find reasons to object to one another [0:09:39] Rebecca Hargraves On all kinds of grounds to live in community You really have to be tolerant of each other's differences tolerant of the fact that we won't all live up to the perfect moral ideal [0:09:49] Cameron M So by necessitating that to join RTTL you have to be tolerant of other religious perspectives [0:09:58] Dave Reilly We don't get those hardline fundamentalists who really aren't the building block of [0:10:05] Cameron M Sound societies in many cases those are also people who have issues in their own lives where they live Just like people who are obsessed with ideology or are constantly online um Inbibing ideological content like that's That's a pathology. That's a way of avoiding real everyday life. So It hasn't been as much of an issue as you might think but also going forward We will be able to found communities that are specifically for certain types of European pagan religion certain types of Christian Denomination Right now we have the one actually running community in Arkansas and we're tolerant of each other's beliefs we have had pagans and Christians here most of us are Christians [0:10:50] Rebecca Hargraves But I think it's actually good that we're not selecting for those hardline fundamentalists because The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:10:56] Cameron M Generally, they're not really that kind of foundation that you want for a good society. Did you have any questions about that Dave? Uh, well, I mean, obviously I wouldn't be admitting [0:11:07] Dave Reilly I don't know as a fun. No, I'm kidding as a as a crazy Catholic or whatever. I mean, I've got some like certain questions about like [0:11:15] Cameron M Are you hearing something? No, okay weird. I've just it's been weird, right? I've been like staying at this cabin [0:11:20] Dave Reilly In the woods up by Colville all weekend Totally silent no cell service no Internet and so like now I'm surrounded by the lights and the It's all freaking me out a little bit. Yeah Stimulating your brain. Yeah direct energy weapons. No. Okay, so I had questions about specifically So how does it work? So you're a PMA, which is what a private membership association Do you issue shares? Or because I don't think that you actually are like selling parcels, right? I mean Is the land parceled out? Are you selling the parcels? Is it like Tell me about your corporate structure. I guess is that's kind of where I was very curious and wanted to start [0:12:11] Cameron M Sure, yeah, we do have limited options Founding communities like this because of not just the Fair Housing Act other legislation that makes it difficult So we're fairly constrained. We don't sell real estate [0:12:23] Rebecca Hargraves The land that we have here is not subdivided [0:12:27] Cameron M officially Or the LLC that owns the land It's bylaws spell out what the lot partitions are and which shares are associated with which lots of land We're constantly doing more legal research to kind of broaden and deepen that framework We're probably going to integrate a trust in the near future. We'll also probably integrate [0:12:49] Rebecca Hargraves long-term leases as opposed to writing in these [0:12:53] Cameron M Claims to various lots in our bylaws themselves So it's still a work and progress, but the basic model is that the private association is what allows us to [0:13:04] Dave Reilly Select who we want to join our communities. We can be racially [0:13:09] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed discriminatory legally there are racially discriminatory private associations out there. There's a long list of case law [0:13:19] Rebecca Hargraves That supports our right to freely associate so that's the entity that makes the initial call [0:13:25] Cameron M Are you a person of European heritage the supports that heritage do you share our very basic Values that are in common across all of Western civilization and then beyond that individual communities will have companies [0:13:38] Rebecca Hargraves That own the land or trusts and those companies can be [0:13:42] Cameron M you know [0:13:43] Dave Reilly LLCs or [0:13:45] Cameron M C corpse or whatever happens to be best for the purpose in our case We want an LLC when we first got started because we didn't have a huge legal budget We didn't have a bunch of [0:13:56] Rebecca Hargraves People with infinite time on their hands and resources LLCs are relatively easy to start and it does you know as the name implies [0:14:04] Cameron M limit liability so We're not in danger of personally losing all of our assets assets if we were taken to court Instead there's a legal entity that is kind of on the line for us and we Like I said, we're kind of broadening that approach the PMA also we've integrated a company to manage the activities of [0:14:26] Rebecca Hargraves The PMA so it's sort of just growing out over time With more consultation from more lawyers and you know [0:14:35] Cameron M I'm all for other people founding communities like this and I know of several projects They're doing it in a less conspicuous way than we are but the law is very complex on these points And if you mess up on multiple fronts not just like do you violate the FHA but do you violate securities laws Do you violate you know things regarding the management of the land itself like have you settled too many people on a parcel of land? Is your septic system plan up to code up front? You know, can you actually [0:15:10] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed How is as many people as sign up for your project um and that's a lot [0:15:15] Cameron M Of legal research on a national level at a county level at a state level So our association exists to facilitate all of that legal research and because we were in the news recently [0:15:28] Rebecca Hargraves People have been attacking us a lot of people rallied to our defense and donated to our legal fundraisers [0:15:34] Cameron M And now we have currently about a $50,000 legal budget. It is going constantly into consultation with specialized lawyers So we're really kind of building out this robust legal framework that then we can Assist others in implementing who are under our PMA right? I was gonna say the uh, we've got there is well [0:15:55] Rebecca Hargraves Even people that aren't under your PMA if they want to replicate the structure in their own way You will have all this legal president that'll help them shortcut [0:16:03] Dave Reilly Um, you know in a way that you weren't so this trailblazing is going to be really beneficial for anybody that might want to mimic that your PMA [0:16:12] Cameron M Well, sure. Yeah, of course um, and we want to Set that precedent nationwide the ideal scenario would be that we render our own PMA useless, you know, if the case law were established that this is just perfectly acceptable You don't have to jump through all these things like that'd be awesome You know that'd be perfect and then there'd be no reason for RTTL to really exist But I mean there are other kind of auxiliary benefits of organizing in this way like I said we kind of explicitly Create our social contract. We have literal contracts that we're signing we're able to perform background checks We're able to do due diligence on how our communities actually physically organized And just getting a bunch of people together and doing things in an informal way tends to result in Chaos and also laws being violated. Yeah, I do think though that there will be a role Going forward for one nationwide PMA that is strong Because it's not just a matter of doing this upfront legal research There is ongoing legal work that will have to be done Over years and probably decades to secure our right to maintain these communities It's not just a kind of all right. You have $50,000 to throw it lawyers upfront one and done [0:17:29] Dave Reilly Now we can have these communities have to have [0:17:32] Cameron M Those going to a centralized organization that is legally knowledgeable that has contacts with all the relevant lawyers And that builds up this body of knowledge over years decades and It is viable. So I'm a bit believer that we have to centralize more than we have been there are too many kind of factions and side projects and new things pop up and fail and there's some benefit in that but also we need some The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed really Foundational kind of staple institutions that don't go away I would like for return to the land to be one of those and because it's something that can benefit not just our organization Like you don't have to be a an RTTL partisan to live in an RTTL community [0:18:19] Dave Reilly We've just secured a real estate [0:18:22] Cameron M Management for you essentially. Yeah, if you want to organize around, you know As a true folk exempt assembly or like a Catholic community or some kind of Political project where you want like a community center in a given location return to the land can help manage acquire Take care of those properties from a legal perspective and also organizing people up front So it's it's something that you know [0:18:49] Dave Reilly I think we need to specialize and do what each of us does well some people are really good with media [0:18:54] Cameron M You know, you run a great podcast some people are really good sometimes with some people are excellent when it comes to you know Interviewing people outside of our spheres doing debates or activism patriot frontus excellent activism [0:19:11] Dave Reilly What RTTL wants to do well is securing physical spaces or our people community centers recreational properties [0:19:19] Cameron M full-time residents communities and we really feasibly to do this need centralization and organization [0:19:28] Rebecca Hargraves That's my perspective right. I mean it sounds like you've crossed all your cheese and dotted your eyes because if I were the ADL or any other group I would be going after [0:19:36] Dave Reilly minutia like are you violating xyz stupid law and I'm sure that that's that that's their plan Yeah, well, I mean we were I was just going to pull this up, you know, you got [0:19:45] Rebecca Hargraves attacked [0:19:46] Dave Reilly Recently by the anti-deformation league, which is Gotta be one of the most ironic things in the world to be attacked by this Jewish supremacist organization where you've got like you've already got like, you know, Brooklyn You've got all of these communities that are like Jews only you know get out they self-governed they self-governed they have their own police They have their own police they have the run ambulance remember there was this thing in crown heights back in the 1990s We're like the Jewish The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed ambulance service like ran over a brown kid Or a black guy or something like that. I didn't know this. Oh, you that's what started the crown heights riots of the 1990s They like there was like some altercation or something some Jewish person was like hurt [0:20:26] Cameron M And they like ran over a black kid on the way to get the Jewish person to the hospital And then the most Jewish thing ever [0:20:33] Rebecca Hargraves No one no one ever came for the black kid and he died good lord and and at least I think that's what happened [0:20:38] Dave Reilly I mean, it's been a long time since I've brushed up on my history of the the crown the crown heights riots [0:20:43] Cameron M But anyway, so the idea that the anti-deformation league would come out and like attack your project [0:20:50] Dave Reilly Which is just so you know like this idea of Private association or associate free association being able to associate with who you want is like so fundamental to the American spirit the American ethos It's just Shocking how blind these people are and it's not working out well for them. I've got a little [0:21:13] Cameron M Clip here that I'd kind of want to play. I don't know how how long it is [0:21:16] Dave Reilly But Jonathan Greenblatt did a he's he's of course the the CEO of the anti-deformation league [0:21:23] Cameron M He came out and did a interview [0:21:26] Dave Reilly Over the weekend about some of their new statistics Areval you you've got to watch this he can hear it right? Uh, he should be so we run surveys every two to three years Like a sentiment analysis to try to gauge how the majority population feels about Jewish people so in this case we do Domestic survey in the United States And what I can tell you briefly is that we've been doing these surveys I should say since the 1960s So we have a lot of information a lot of longitudinal data We're a very data driven evidence-based organization And basically in the last five years Anti-intense elevated anti-Semitic attitudes have more than doubled their share of the population In 2019 it was 11% of the US population had intense anti-Semitic attitudes today In the last five years it's gone from 11 to 24% all right [0:22:27] Cameron M Now globally the numbers are even more stark The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:22:31] Dave Reilly so When we we did our first global survey of a hundred plus countries in 2014 And we worked with the market research firm Ipsos based here in Paris to do the surveys In 2014 we found that 26% Of adults worldwide had entrenched or in extreme anti-Semitic attitudes 26% that's more than a billion people we thought that was a lot A billion people when we ran the survey last year In 2024 that percentage went from 26% to 46% Long story short we started bombing kids in Gaza now half the world fucking hates us Welcome the I'm sure the ADL is feeling very emboldened to ruin projects Yeah projects like that it's just so stupid because I mean if they are successful in in destroying return to the land Then I would hope that Armside would then use that precedent to go and destroy crown heights and then destroy All of these Jewish-only communities that are pop Lakewood, New Jersey Was it it's not Brookline Massachusetts, but I mean you know what I'm saying There are all these areas where it's just like if you want to you cannot buy a house there unless you're Jewish right They just will not sell to you [0:23:51] Rebecca Hargraves So you talked a little bit about the Lisa Grimmies [0:23:53] Dave Reilly I think that that's very smart because it kind of gives you a little bit of room to oust people [0:23:58] Rebecca Hargraves If they are causing problems or if they have infiltrated [0:24:03] Dave Reilly So can you describe a little bit [0:24:05] Rebecca Hargraves About how you're able to protect the members from external demographic pressures or if they are able to infiltrate the community in some way [0:24:18] Cameron M Yeah, sure so to join the PMA it takes an interview A video interview or phone interview we do like to physiognomy check [0:24:27] Rebecca Hargraves And make sure that you know everything passes a sniff test and then if you want to actually buy into the community [0:24:33] Cameron M You have to come out physically be with us for a couple days [0:24:37] Rebecca Hargraves So it's a fairly extensive process. There's also a background check involved [0:24:42] Cameron M And we have put a lot of foresight into When issues do arise The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:24:48] Dave Reilly Yeah, they're not always obvious upfront if someone has a tendency to gossip or a tendency [0:24:55] Cameron M You know to not maintain their own personal property and leave trash around and things like or a drug habit that wasn't disclosed Then we have ways of processing people out We have a general vote Well, first of all the board of managers we have a board for the PMA and then a separate board managers for the LLC that owns this land And they would issue that member a warning and then a period of time would elapse if it's still happening another warning um And once the board has made that decision they'll call for a general vote and if a certain percentage of the LLC members decide that you know, we have to Revoque residency rights for that individual then they'll no longer be allowed to occupy the land [0:25:41] Rebecca Hargraves um [0:25:41] Cameron M Now once that happens they still own a share in the company and that is still [0:25:46] Dave Reilly Transferrable so they can still sell their share [0:25:49] Rebecca Hargraves The PMA according to our documents or rather PMA members [0:25:53] Cameron M Have have the first rights to purchase that share and then if no one in the PMA can be found The LLC itself ends up as a last resort kind of having the obligation to buy that person out out of fair market value So if you built a house here, you know, we would have an assessor come out evaluate that property and then Ultimately the LLC would buy them out. Luckily we haven't gotten to that point You know people it's interesting, you know antifa and [0:26:22] Dave Reilly anti-racists [0:26:24] Rebecca Hargraves Even down here have heard about us and pretty much know where we are. I mean our location has been doxed [0:26:30] Cameron M And despite it only being an hour drive two hour drive from where these big population centers are like no one's come out here to have So I don't think it's very likely that some subversive is going to go through our vetting process pass a background check And then start causing trouble over time if they won't even show up at the front gates to protest You know, I think we're pretty safe actually. Yeah, it's funny. Somebody on twitter was harassing me the other day The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:26:58] Dave Reilly And they were like how like how do you even live? Don't aren't people coming to your house all the time and so I was like [0:27:04] Rebecca Hargraves Literally no like nothing has ever happened except for that one time that's one time you should at your house [0:27:09] Dave Reilly They smeared it on my house. Yeah, but I mean in the grand scheme of things [0:27:13] Rebecca Hargraves It's not like it was any violence. It was just petty vandalism. Yeah, but um, I think people on the outside it is a hate crime I think people on the outside think that we're constantly being harassed, but we aren't no no, and it's funny too because yeah [0:27:24] Dave Reilly Like I mean on the internet the internet's like a very Small place, you know when you go out in the real world. It's like you know, I mean no one knows No one knows who you are. It's great. You know, you can just go I mean every now and again, I'll get stopped like a shopping center. You're the guy from the right It's always positive, but it's always positive. It's always positive I was gonna ask a little bit about like what do you do hold on to me? There we go. Okay curious what do you uh what do you guys do for like Community building stop. I mean, so like because you don't have a Unified faith thing um, you know like up up here like you know, we have our parish picnics [0:28:06] Cameron M We have our feast days where you know, everybody in our we also have pickleball [0:28:12] Dave Reilly Uh [0:28:13] Cameron M But you know, we have our kind of thing. I mean, I guess besides like you know fourth of july or whatever um [0:28:19] Dave Reilly What do you do to bring the community together and Foster that kind of spirit of fraternal brotherhood, you know what I mean like what what do you guys using as your kind of [0:28:32] Rebecca Hargraves Community events. I don't know just that's a good question. I have the same question [0:28:38] Cameron M Yeah, we host two events to all PMA members They're private events, but they can get quite large this october will have won Some well-known figures from the movement will be there The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:28:50] Dave Reilly And that should be a good time. We have games. We've done highland games. We might do a variant on that [0:28:57] Rebecca Hargraves In october. We've done talent shows just things that celebrate our european [0:29:02] Cameron M history heritage [0:29:05] Rebecca Hargraves excellence and [0:29:07] Cameron M We have community dinners weekly So we get together we have different themes, you know We had a spanish food night. We had Italian food and things like that So but the main thing that really keeps us together is that we are on one side of a struggle Against hostile forces that want to take us down. Yeah, you know, there is a kind of friend fo distinction um a lot of people believe that's one of the most powerful sources of Feelings of identity and in group And I think that's true. It's also the case that we have a very clear directive and okay What do we do to accomplish our goals? We continue to grow the PMA We continue to found new communities and we continue to Ultimately win legal battles and secure our right to exist as an independent people on this continent And so that mission. I mean, it's a lifelong quest really that will [0:30:07] Rebecca Hargraves Redowns to your descendants. It'll impact the culture at large and so it's [0:30:13] Dave Reilly For things to be meaningful. They have to outlast you as an individual and they have to be seen to be you know [0:30:21] Rebecca Hargraves Consequential at a societal scale. So this is something where if we [0:30:27] Cameron M Go in on this together and overcome our kind of parochial differences and even religious differences To find something that we can all everyone in our movement can fight together on it can benefit everyone in our movement Because all we're we're gathered around is shared European ancestry Having spaces for our own communities community centers recreational lands full-time resident communities So because it's so minimal it can be a huge tent and it's also something that's very actionable day-to-day we can put in work Every day to build up our communities to make them look better [0:31:06] Rebecca Hargraves I just put up this paneling this building looked a lot worse like two days ago The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:31:11] Cameron M And I I put in the work and now there's a better space than there used to be and that's very very satisfying So the fact that we're all building all the time the fact that we have enemies that are [0:31:21] Dave Reilly Trying to shut us down and the fact that if we succeed the consequences will be we change the face of American culture [0:31:29] Cameron M I think those are all sufficient to give us that sense of common identity Yeah, you know, I think you know You're definitely right about the the common enemy thing [0:31:36] Dave Reilly I mean we just we're talking about this a couple of episodes ago when it comes to the whole Iran thing Right, I mean like you know, you've got a whole country of the 80 million people, you know, and it's you know There's different factions there's different political Parties there's you know the reformers there's the the staunch islamists or whatever and then you know All it takes is America to come in and start bombing your nuclear facilities and all the sudden National unity everybody's together on the same page, you know And there was no regime change so that is it is a very powerful Factor when building communities is that friend enemy distinction what about work and industry like Do you guys Have your own businesses is there like are you fostering businesses? You know Any major employers are like you know a factory or something like that where you're getting a kind of economic engine going because I mean [0:32:33] Cameron M I don't I don't particularly know where the community is [0:32:37] Dave Reilly So I don't know if there's like you know other industries that like everybody kind of goes out and works At the job that some other corporation then you know Comes home and you know builds their house or whatever [0:32:49] Cameron M But I guess is there any of that is there any kind of like economic [0:32:53] Dave Reilly Unity going on or you know fostering fostering businesses [0:32:58] Cameron M Sure. Yeah One of us is a licensed contractor and we've done quite a bit of construction work [0:33:05] Dave Reilly Primarily here because there's a lot to build so people who aren't in the area who are still working good jobs [0:33:12] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed in areas with higher average incomes Often they'll want things built here and then younger guys who are looking to gain skills and be part of the community [0:33:23] Rebecca Hargraves They might may not even be like LLC members. They might not own a share with us [0:33:29] Cameron M But they come down for extended periods of time and I think that's a really Positive institution. I think every young guy should know how to frame a building He should know how to run electrical wire. He should know how to wire an outlet These are things that come up like if you want to manage rental properties If you want to move up in society ultimately you need capital Especially things like you know rental units. I did mortgage is for a while And so I saw a lot of people's credit report and so I saw like basically all their major assets And like every really well-off person had at least a few rental properties. So For anyone who wants to kind of move up in the world having the ability to maintain Just basic housing units like it's very important not having to pay someone to come in every time You know waterline birds or you know something goes wrong in your own house So I think that's just a basic part of being a man is being able to handle that kind of stuff and unfortunately our generation You know millennials and on [0:34:37] Rebecca Hargraves Have sort of lost touch with those skills some of us are in the trade some of us obviously are really proficient with all of that [0:34:45] Cameron M But it's not at the level of that common knowledge common wisdom really That everyone just took for granted back in the 1950s or 60s [0:34:56] Rebecca Hargraves um [0:34:57] Cameron M So yeah, that's one part of it I've worked in the area other people Living here have worked nearby We chose an area with Low-cost land because we were bringing people out of state some of whom had some resources And so we could just get a lot more land and do things on a much larger scale here than in other places But also it's a it's a matter of knowing who you would Actually like be summoned by what judge would hear your case if you were taken to court You can't do something like this in any old part of the country [0:35:33] Rebecca Hargraves You will face hostile [0:35:36] Cameron M Judges and really no matter how um, you know conscientious you are about the way that you write up your legal documents and arrange everything If a judge decide is an activist judge and wants to shut you down He can do that So we need to be in areas that are thoroughly conservative Where average people also won't be hostile to us With news reports coming out at a nationwide scale about us and The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed also local news reporting on us I have been stopped um in the street by people in town and Basically everyone that I've spoken with face to face has been supportive I've seen some negative comments online But the overwhelming majority of ordinary people that have become aware of what we're doing Totally supported they wouldn't necessarily join it themselves But they absolutely think we should have the right to do it So anyway, that's another reason to be in this area There aren't really high-paying jobs right here, but also this isn't the last RTTL community We are looking to found communities in areas with better kind of economic metrics Um, but a place like this, you know, if you can work remote If you have a tech job your programmer and you can work online This is a great place to be. I'm on a fiber internet connection right now [0:36:54] Rebecca Hargraves That's probably the fastest that I personally have ever had [0:36:57] Cameron M And this is down a dirt road in Arkansas So a combination online work [0:37:03] Rebecca Hargraves We're so challenged with resources [0:37:05] Dave Reilly Extremely jealous We're gonna gouge by a lot of months paying like six hundred dollars a month For my starlink internet so that we can run this show and then I was like trying to talk with like I remember when I first moved here. It's like, you know, I went up to the the fiber people I was like, can I please get some fiber? Please Well, you're gonna need a trench and I'm like, I'll dig the trench. No problem They're like, well, you can't dig the trench. We have to dig the trench And I'm like, okay, well, how much is that gonna cost? It's like, yeah, a hundred fifty grand Whatever And I'm just like Bro There's no way There's no way that's happening So I've heard you say that you might extend a place as like Idaho So what is the criteria that you use? What do you factor in when you're trying to plan a new community? [0:37:48] Cameron M Well, we have to look at statewide laws when it comes to Community development, residential development Some places you really aren't allowed to do what we're doing You can always do something and so right now my new initiative is I'm planning this tour Going to different areas where there is interest To organize not just [0:38:15] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, no, it's effective and also difficult [0:38:19] Cameron M It's a big-ask task. I want to like move away from their family and move to this new place and develop raw land Or you know, if you you buy like an apartment complex or something [0:38:29] Dave Reilly It's still a major lifestyle change [0:38:32] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed But what we're looking to do now is found community centers recreational lands things that already have the precedent that are easier to organize [0:38:39] Dave Reilly And there are a step towards those full-time residents communities that I think are ultimately necessary [0:38:44] Cameron M So I'm actually planning to go out to Idaho [0:38:47] Rebecca Hargraves Later this summer or fall [0:38:51] Cameron M Early fall probably and I'm also going to Appalachia. I'm going to [0:38:57] Dave Reilly Texas and there are you know certain places where [0:39:02] Cameron M Culturally it would be more acceptable But statewide codes you really have to look at laws regarding [0:39:09] Rebecca Hargraves septic systems. That's like one of the things [0:39:12] Cameron M things [0:39:13] Rebecca Hargraves Health department codes [0:39:15] Cameron M Fire codes what kind of spacing do you need between dwellings? Building codes obviously and the other factor is what's the price of land right People can actually afford to to live in a community in you know northern Idaho [0:39:32] Dave Reilly I think it's possible to make it much more affordable [0:39:35] Cameron M But we have to develop a more [0:39:39] Rebecca Hargraves kind of The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:39:41] Dave Reilly An easier way for younger people without so many resources to pay over time and get into these communities [0:39:47] Cameron M Because they're the people that you need on the ground actually building things actually, you know having young families there Constituting the community and then older people with resources They don't necessarily want to move immediately, but they have all these resources I'm we shouldn't expect all the boomers to just give us their money Maybe nice, but we should have ways where they can Invest in what the younger generations are doing [0:40:14] Rebecca Hargraves And then once that [0:40:15] Cameron M Capital is mobilized in the service of our race then I think northern Idaho places like that It's certainly possible and we do have big investors big [0:40:26] Rebecca Hargraves You know resource [0:40:28] Cameron M Individuals and families that are already part of our TTL. So we've gotten very lucky in the people that have been attracted to it I think it's attracting the right kind of people Nice. Yeah, I was gonna say if you do wind up coming later this summer [0:40:41] Dave Reilly They're I'm gonna get like shit on for even like saying this, but if you can What when is that August 29th? Through September 1st you've got to check out Paul Bungan days. Have you ever been there? Oh, we've got to bring you down It is the coolest thing I've like ever seen in my life really? Oh, yeah Hands down. I mean you you show up and first of all it's like, you know, obviously. It's north Idaho everyone the white But they still do these like logging and like lumberjack games So it's like you know instead of you know people all you know doing like the America's got talent nonsense It's like let's see who can cut down a tree faster Let's see who can like climb up this pole quickest like who can catch like a greased-up pig [0:41:28] Cameron M You know really yeah, it's awesome [0:41:30] Dave Reilly It's really really cool and they've got you know rides and probably the best fireworks display I have literally ever seen in my life. Wow. I had no idea this existed 11 out of 10 down to St Mary's Idaho But yeah, it's just it's incredible and there's I was just at a fair over the weekend too in northern Washington And it very similar vibes, you know, very cool But yeah the the land up here is Incredibly and it's it's one of those things where it's like No one talks about it. No one says it out loud But there is a direct relationship with how much the houses cost and how many black people live? Yeah, and The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:42:09] Cameron M So that's also like kind of a economic barrier for younger families to be able to come up here [0:42:16] Dave Reilly Which is kind of a problem. I was gonna ask About you know your your capital raising or capital structures investments and all this kind of stuff so Has there been any thought put into Creating some sort of like venture capital fund or An incubator or something like that where you can like do rounds of funding for different projects You know, I mean like you you come up with like a proposed project You have a role at ex of investors and it's like all right, you know We've got this you know old YMCA building or whatever that we want to make a community center You know, let's do a round of fundraising and Buy that or has there been any kind of thought to that, you know, I mean the same way that like I've seen with like you know certain other tech companies. I don't know [0:43:07] Cameron M Yeah, part of that I can fully disclose and it's the way that we organize these land buys in the first place So you get in through together [0:43:16] Rebecca Hargraves You ask you know how much is everyone willing to put in what kind of property [0:43:22] Cameron M Would make everyone happy and then you go and you make it happen so you can do that without some corporation What I can't disclose all the details up is the kind of venture capital fund firm that you are talking about that something like that is in the works of course I can't solicit investors for a project like that. It's also really really complicated [0:43:45] Rebecca Hargraves securities laws get involved and uh [0:43:49] Cameron M Good thing we have the $50,000 legal budget right now because it we absolutely need it because it's a necessary next step allowing people to buy in month to month on finished housing units [0:44:01] Dave Reilly Will greatly increase our population increase the number of people who can participate in this and it will reduce the barrier to entry such that [0:44:09] Cameron M There won't be a major difference in quality of life living in a an intentional white community versus just living In some random town, you know, and if we have enough of these communities that people don't have to move all the way across the country [0:44:23] Rebecca Hargraves To join in on something like this right [0:44:25] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed We're gonna take some time and I've always said like We really the Ozarks has the advantage of being very very white But also in an area that historically has not been wealthy and so you get the good demographics Yeah, Arkansas as a state there are many black people But it's fairly segregated. They all live down in the Delta and then up in the mountains and the Ozarks [0:44:49] Dave Reilly It's always been hillbilly's and it's still That's an entire white slur [0:44:56] Cameron M Well, it's true though You know people have moved down here from other parts of the country California [0:45:04] Rebecca Hargraves New York and so it's actually becoming wider In in some areas. So those arcs is a real special place that allow us to build this out at scale at an affordable price [0:45:18] Cameron M So that you know when then we're able to move to more expensive areas [0:45:22] Dave Reilly We have all of these trained people who know how to do it [0:45:26] Cameron M We have a group out in the Pacific Northwest now that they're scouting for land and they were involved in the first land buy So they know what it takes they've they've gone through that process and so at the end of this You know this kind of Beta phase of what we're doing we're going to have a crew of people who know on the legal side on the land acquisition side On the development side how to actually put it together. So But yeah, I mean coming down here first and kind of being part of that I think would be very valuable [0:45:59] Dave Reilly Especially for younger guys who want to contribute to the success of this project [0:46:05] Cameron M But can't necessarily not everyone can do this in their own backyard [0:46:09] Rebecca Hargraves Organize this [0:46:11] Cameron M Everywhere in the country. So some concentration so that once again, we can kind of go out better organized better fun Did better better educated? I think would be for the best. Yeah [0:46:22] Rebecca Hargraves We did have a few super chat questions, but before that I wanted to ask you um The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:46:26] Dave Reilly A broader question if you could speak to a young white audience who are doubting Their racial pride the importance of their European heritage. What would you say to them to Rebuild more route because I think more than anything although the logistics are incredibly important [0:46:43] Rebecca Hargraves This is about people unifying around a common spirit a common heritage And I think a lot of people are very scared to I mean not me but [0:46:52] Dave Reilly To embrace this part of themselves. What would you tell them? [0:46:58] Cameron M Well There are things that you can change about yourself that are voluntary and it's fine to take pride in those things You know if you learn a musical instrument or you have a skill That's an important part of who you are, but there are also things that you cannot change about yourself Rather than you know accident accidental features There are essential features to who you are and really those things because they cannot change Are more definitive of what you are so to know yourself which is a virtue I think to move forward in life you have to know okay What am I working with what are my faculties who I who am I where am I coming from To know yourself fully you have to really dive into those essential attributes We shouldn't have the delusion that we are all blank slates that just move through the world looking for Economic economic opportunity and consumer choice ad libit [0:47:57] Dave Reilly not [0:47:59] Rebecca Hargraves We come with [0:48:00] Cameron M predispositions that are genetically fixed And you will not know the nature of those dispositions and what your strengths and weaknesses are Unless you look to what others with your ancestral heritage have done [0:48:15] Dave Reilly You can learn about yourself by looking into your own history the history of your peoples if you want to [0:48:21] Cameron M Excel in any field you should look not just to the exemplars in that field like you know with music specifically if you want to be a great violinist You should probably I mean don't study Only what East Asian violinists are doing but really understand like what is the European heritage of mastering this skill look like and what can I learn about How I can play this instrument or philosophy, you know Not how does an East Asian or Middle Eastern Philosopher think of the world and put together a worldview [0:48:54] Dave Reilly But what is the history of Western thought it is who you are and you cannot The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [0:49:00] Cameron M So if you have to learn all of this stuff about your Tradition in order to move forward that means you're part of a tradition We're all part of living traditions We're not atomized individuals and part of the problem of modern society is that people think they are simply individuals They can look for whatever opportunities come up and it's not true [0:49:24] Dave Reilly And you won't succeed in that way [0:49:25] Cameron M There's also of course the moral argument that no one else is going to look after the white race but us There are other people out there who care about black identity That's a fact there are other people who care about Jewish identity or Indian identity or East Asian Ethnic ethnic identities. There are people out there who will look after the well-being of those groups Who will secure those homelands who will make sure that their cultural traditions are carried forward You are the only person Our people we are the only people that can forward our cultural traditions Look after our well-being and if we are a group of atomized individuals in a world build with Other groups who work together according to basic game theory we're done. We're not going to last [0:50:15] Rebecca Hargraves So I mean it's just a fact of nature a fact of life that you know [0:50:20] Cameron M God gave you or whatever your views are you were given by the universe by whatever higher power is out there belong to tradition and forms who you are can do and to not continue it Means to abandon all those other people who share in that same tradition. I absolutely agree [0:50:41] Dave Reilly I mean we praise people for their immutable characteristics all the time I mean intelligence beauty This is of course no different except there's a spiritual component which makes it more important. Yeah I agree please get in your last minute super checks if you have any questions for our vol that we will ask him Have you been smelling this new candle I got by the way? Yeah, isn't it wonderful? Oh, it's giving me a horrible headache [0:51:05] Cameron M Oh, it's giving you a headache. Oh, is that because it smells like I was right about Bitcoin? Oh, oh get out of here get out of here with that no wonder I have a headache [0:51:15] Dave Reilly I kept thinking like this candle [0:51:18] Cameron M And I hadn't even read it and that leads me to my last question, which is just like have you guys thought about [0:51:24] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed Using assets like Bitcoin to acquire land Or even like the have you played with the concept of like tokenization of The real world kind of assets as a way to keep track of who owns your suit. Well, I don't know if there's securities or who owns your shares Have have has you have has you guys wow, I mean has has you guys I need some more coffee this morning Have you guys looked into using alternative currencies like Bitcoin to create What do they call them a tiny El Salvador? Yeah, basically a circular economy right because like if you've got people that if you don't really have any factories or anything like that Your people are going out Making money with other people and then bringing that money back to the PMA I could see how using Bitcoin especially like if you're paying for roads or dues or anything like that If you've got like some sort of treasury strategy that over the long run over 10 20 years that that could could be [0:52:26] Rebecca Hargraves Very positive you truly cannot help yourself. I'm asking a question. Let's let him in [0:52:31] Cameron M We have yeah, we have looked into crypto at different levels. We have I'm a narrow wallet the people can donate to I think we have a Bitcoin wallet that's posted For accepting donations as far as management of day-to-day activities It does add another layer of legal complexity and maybe we'll get there eventually we read before we actually found it RTTL in kind of antecedent group We read through [0:53:04] Rebecca Hargraves Servingison Bellagy what's Bellagy's friend I got it backwards [0:53:10] Dave Reilly Servingison's book the network state and he goes into a lot of very specific ways [0:53:16] Cameron M a teal funded like Indian Philosopher social theorist, but anyway he had some good ideas [0:53:24] Rebecca Hargraves um [0:53:25] Cameron M Yeah, he talked about like [0:53:28] Dave Reilly kind of integrating augmented reality as well with that and kind of decentralized ownership and [0:53:36] Rebecca Hargraves you know [0:53:37] Cameron M I think there could be advantages with it [0:53:40] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed On the other hand, it gets you involved even more into securities laws and [0:53:48] Cameron M Just adds like People have to have a certain degree of technological sophistication to even own crypto For in our spheres we take it for granted because we have the high average IQ and like many of us are interested in these sorts of technologies And I do believe alternative currencies Are a way of getting away from one of our deepest problems which is Fraction reserve banking central banking being controlled by a small group that hates us So I mean anything that you can do to fight against that I'm pretty much for it. However, it is a barrier to entry. It does addly will complexity And it is one more reason for them to come shut you down [0:54:31] Dave Reilly You know towns have tried making their own currencies and in some cases have gotten in serious trouble [0:54:38] Cameron M for doing so but But there are we have done quite a bit of research into it I'm not as big into crypto clearly as you are, but I thought about it. Yeah, we're thinking about it [0:54:49] Dave Reilly Interesting. Yeah, well, I mean it's worth asking I think All right, let's start taking a look at some super chats and see what kinds of questions the audience has Uh, if I can pull up the right Frickin tab here All right Okay, here we go. What today is the 21st So first one comes in from book track grooves on rumble Arville bible quiz What happened to the city of Gibbaya Bro come on. I don't g-i-b-e-a-h I don't even know what that is who are the three that did not bow in the book of Daniel What is the best way to explain the three laws of thought? I need to learn about this stuff [0:55:39] Rebecca Hargraves I'm not a big old testament reader, so I'm not gonna even try to answer those. Dave doesn't even know. I don't even know All right, hold on. Let's see here. Shadrick. Oh, is this Shadrick? Can you share an abendigo? Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, I know about that [0:55:55] Dave Reilly In town of Benjamin and probably featured in the bible particularly the book of judges and Samuel to known for the rape of the Levites concubine And subsequent civil war as the birthplace of the royal seat of King Saul. Interesting. Okay. Well you learn something new every day and more you know Best way to explain the three laws of thought [0:56:17] Rebecca Hargraves Three laws of thought thought yeah From [0:56:22] Dave Reilly What are those? Where's that coming from? I don't know. I'm assuming that's something I've never heard of the laws of logic The law of identity the law of non-contradiction the law of excluded middle Is this what he to what he's referring? I don't know. I mean those are just basic philosophical principles [0:56:37] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed The metal logical laws. Yeah, I mean that could be what he's talking about [0:56:40] Dave Reilly I didn't I didn't know that it was limited in three these questions were [0:56:44] Cameron M Too deep well some people say there's four the fourth one would be the principle of civic sufficient reason [0:56:49] Rebecca Hargraves I like showpan hours essay on this the four full group of the principle of sufficient reason [0:56:54] Cameron M He looks into the metal logical laws, but not not only those um, I don't know what else to say No, it's okay [0:57:03] Dave Reilly We've got another super chat from Phil the thrill who sent 50 dollars Can Lauren Southern join your community? I told you. It's all anybody wants to talk about [0:57:13] Rebecca Hargraves No [0:57:14] Dave Reilly No, Lauren Southern not allowed barred from barred from the oh sorry I just refused to talk about this like everybody's like are you gonna talk about this Lauren Southern? I'm like no This is taudry. It is such a slot. There's so many more important things. I'm just not gonna talk about it I just yeah, how many times we even talked about Andrew Tate on the show like mentioned him in passing twice Andrew Tate did have like an absolutely awful tweet the other day that I saw Talking about like how you have to have multiple wives or whatever. It's just like what is wrong with you dude He's black. Yeah, basically. All right. Well, maybe we'll talk about that a little bit on Wednesday or something I don't know thunderstorm nine sent five dollars on rumble our homes going to be made More traditional style with a modern design with ethnic symbols That will be up to the individual communities. So the PMA doesn't have any [0:58:08] Cameron M Style guides like that No H.O.A was we have language in our agreement. This says, you know, you should bear in mind be aesthetic quality of what you're constructing but If people have a lot of kind of high flutin ideas of what community should look like and they've never put up drywall They've never you know put a brick wall together or frame the house and You pragmatism. I think everyone who actually comes here and spends the time, you know Actually doing it. They've become less idealist [0:58:45] Rebecca Hargraves One day we'll have the nice brick buildings though. Yeah, but the H.O.A. is not going to be on your case [0:58:49] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed It sounds like knocking down your door. I don't grow corn in your front yard. Yeah, really Who white osprey sent $10 no comment. Thank you so much. We appreciate it Ian whiskey Tango Fox sent $5 on a rumble It's very telling that the Muslim epic community in Texas is allowed the only thing the government was concerned about was that they don't do everything per procedure Also deer born and Minneapolis. Yeah, totally. Yeah [0:59:23] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah, of course, it's a double standard [0:59:26] Cameron M There was a black intentional community in Georgia Uh a few months back. There was in the news and no one had an issue with that No, there are dozens of Jewish intentional communities around the world [0:59:40] Dave Reilly And obviously they have a whole nation states and themselves and that's fine [0:59:43] Cameron M There are Native American reservations as well [0:59:46] Rebecca Hargraves Like what's the purpose of having those reservations unless preserving your ethnic heritage was significant [0:59:53] Cameron M So I think that the fact that it's such a clear double standard makes this the ideal [0:59:59] Rebecca Hargraves Battle ground for us and so we're going to keep pushing it [1:00:02] Cameron M You know if they decide to stop attacking us We're just going to go bigger and found more communities and be something they can't ignore Because this is really the battle that we can win [1:00:13] Dave Reilly Yeah, no, I completely agree. Let's see Yojimbo Rockford's in $15 G every week once a week it'll take you know in five weeks. We'll have it three weeks This is this is the first G True next week. I'm sure real Get another G Let's see here FBA Groiper sent five dollars Rebecca looks great today Black is definitely her best color Dave loving the shades question for Arval How do you make contact with the or have you made contact with the Afrikaners from Aranya For advice on how to grow the community [1:00:53] Cameron M Yeah Myself and another board member traveled out to Aranya visited them and spoke with Like everyone on their town council their development company Got very close with you strideum the kind of director of their public outreach Aspect so we're very familiar with what Aranya is doing and they are structured in a relatively similar way And yeah, we'd like to emulate more of what they're doing going forward There was someone from South Africa that wanted to come out and live on the land here and The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed help with Development things like that and I think they got held up with some kind of immigration issue Unfortunately, but yeah absolutely wants to learn from the Afrikaners. They're ahead of all of us [1:01:40] Dave Reilly I've heard it's such a neatly organized community and they are they I think they are on their own currency [1:01:47] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, are they I believe so that's interesting. Yeah, they are the aura you can also use [1:01:53] Cameron M Uh, whatever the general South African currency is In town, but most people use aura [1:01:59] Dave Reilly That's interesting. I wonder what I'm wonder how they like back that. Yeah, Merid derives its value and all that kind of stuff. That'll be interesting Uh, let's see Ryan Hart sent $25. I am waiting for my RTTL interview because I think we have the capacity to move within my company I respect that you are actually trying to do something for our people [1:02:19] Cameron M That's great. Yeah, right now there's a wait list to even have the interviews Um, it's been overwhelming the number of people who have applied It's more than it does in every day lately. Wow You can't have as many interviews as if you need to have so I have been working I just stopped working and I'll also be taking interviews [1:02:41] Rebecca Hargraves Forward members who haven't done interviews in the past are now conducting them [1:02:45] Cameron M So it's a great problem to have but it is a little bit overwhelming [1:02:48] Rebecca Hargraves If you can bump Ryan Hart up on the list he has five kids. I've met his family. They're amazing [1:02:53] Dave Reilly They would be perfect candidates for your community All right, we'll do very true Uh, junk driver sent $25. Can you guys please start over? I just got here. Who is this [1:03:06] Cameron M Well, you can rewind over there's a rewind button dude. Come on. Uh, this is not rocket science [1:03:11] Dave Reilly Uh, we said rewind instead of replay. I think we've just dated ourselves Yeah, remember that you had I used to have one of those you have to You get charged if you didn't rewind be kind. Please rewind Yeah, I used to have one of those Machines where you just put the tape in and they're automatically The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed rewind that was high tech back in the day Yeah, that was like a luxury James Rhodes sent $30 in four cents on entropy Let's see if it pops up and it doesn't wonderful as promised here's a small donation to celebrate Dave's entry into grox top 25 leading Anti-Semitic ex accounts the backlash is my number one podcast love you guys [1:03:47] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah, that account or that uh that list was BS Laura Lumer was on it. I was not on it. I know. I mean [1:03:53] Dave Reilly This is what happens when you base your world view on the anti-deformation lake. Yeah, they're ridiculous Uh, let's see Raven resolved sent $5 are of all understands that he is doing only what he can control We can't control mass deportations clamoring for mass deportations. It turns out doesn't actually deport anyone What is your plan if remigration never happens? Arville has one solution [1:04:17] Cameron M True any any thoughts on that? Uh, I know who that is Raven is a good guy and um, yeah, I mean, that's how I look at it That's how I looked at it 10 years ago when I was first readpilled on these issues. I was like all right Well, this is going in one direction quickly Um, there isn't political momentum to totally change course [1:04:38] Rebecca Hargraves So [1:04:39] Cameron M You know, what can we actually do? perpetually complaining that we wish things were different is not going to actually save our people [1:04:48] Dave Reilly Yep, that's absolutely true. Very true. Uh, let me just see it looks like we're getting a couple of things on rumble that it's not Coming through the API, which is annoying Uh Booktrack groups and $10 are well. Do you guys need a theme song? Are there blacksmith events crafting events? Uh pull out book from black third shelf I will I get a BLT after I pass member test [1:05:15] Cameron M Uh, I I mean, I guess we could make you a sandwich Yeah, if you come down when we do have community meals, so there may be a BLT in it for you [1:05:26] Dave Reilly I can't guarantee it all right. No guarantee. Sorry, buddy He's also asking there's a black book on the third shelf that he wants you to pull out. I don't know I can't read on the third [1:05:36] Rebecca Hargraves I'm not sure which one [1:05:38] Dave Reilly Our last black book. There's a lot of freezer. Yeah, I don't know The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [1:05:42] Cameron M Yeah, that's that's all life philosophy books and anthropology and so it's not not a far-right literature [1:05:50] Dave Reilly And booktrack groups and another $10 what are your thoughts on the Declaration of Indulgence 1687 It's the precursor to the American Constitution 1687. Yeah, the Declaration of Indulgence. I'm not familiar with it. Me neither. God, this booktrack groups guy. High IQ clearly This Declaration aimed to grant religious freedom by suspending penal laws that enforce conforming to the Church of England It allowed people to worship in their homes or chapels and ended the requirement of religious oaths for government jobs Interesting [1:06:23] Rebecca Hargraves Opposition from Anglicans always [1:06:26] Dave Reilly Was that in the US or Britain? That was probably written. That was in Britain. Okay. Let's see here John sent $10 heritage Americans are the native Indians now Yeah, we didn't get reservations. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if I want to do the reservation thing But I mean that is an interesting angle of this you know this idea that like Federal laws don't apply to the reservations. Yeah, you don't mean like like You can like be on one piece of dirt and all the sudden another piece of dirt fireworks are legal now and arms trafficking [1:07:03] Cameron M Okay, that's kind of weird how you do that but [1:07:06] Dave Reilly um Yeah, very interesting white osprey sent five dollars are there strategies for having a balanced male female ratio Or couples as most nationalists are males will the community be agricultural based and require organic farming and have a kind of maha approach Our food has become trash [1:07:27] Rebecca Hargraves That's true [1:07:29] Cameron M Right, we do prioritize families over individuals So it will be the case especially when these communities are young that there will be more young men than women But it's also the natural force of things that a man builds him up himself up economically, you know acquires A house maybe and then found a family so I think following that same model Is a good thing in the early days in the US The gender ratio was about I think 70% male And that balanced out over time so any new project like this anything where there's a lot of risk involved is going to attract more men than women Individual communities though can set guidelines where they may decide to only accept families So there are communities that we can't found there for people in all phases of life I'd like to integrate more of the young men in more of an organized Program, you know having workers housing where guys can come in and rent and work through our construction companies and [1:08:35] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed And gain skills with some direction [1:08:38] Cameron M Because it is a problem to just have Guys in the early 20s come down camp on raw land and [1:08:46] Rebecca Hargraves And just be left to their own devices. We've seen it happen. Yeah, we're we're thinking Along those lines. How do we manage these ratios for the best somebody just said it was a sausage fest on the frontier back [1:09:01] Cameron M Yeah, I mean and the history up here too like in north Idaho [1:09:05] Dave Reilly With the the mines and stuff like that and all the brothels like I guess I've got I mean just you know if you've got any last minute superchasing get them in rock caught up But I guess my question is Why This idea of Why not just like locate some small town population 50 And then convince 75 people to move up form a political block take over the government and you know subsume an already existing Town why why not that why this over that or Your thoughts on those two different strategies [1:09:46] Cameron M Well, that wouldn't allow you to legally discriminate in real estate sales Okay, right, you know, so you're not guaranteeing The demographic makeup of that area in the long run Amazon can always come down and buy A warehouse in that area and then now there's a distribution center with [1:10:09] Rebecca Hargraves minorities bust in to work there [1:10:11] Cameron M It happened in New York. I was staying in a town near Albany and that town was like 95% white For decades, you know for centuries really and then suddenly Amazon put down a distribution center and that town changed overnight So there is nothing that we can do to avoid that kind of demographic change in our areas We can keep running and informally trying to segregate which is what we've been doing. That's why suburbs exist [1:10:43] Dave Reilly We've tried that just oh, well, we'll just move to a wider area [1:10:48] Cameron M Unless we have ways of securing territorial gains that will not be taken away [1:10:54] Dave Reilly Then we're always just retreating and this isn't about just making it easy for ourselves in our generation [1:11:00] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed This is about securing a homeland for our people Not just these communities either, but a network of communities in a way that allows us to have more intelligent social contracts [1:11:12] Rebecca Hargraves In a way that allows us to overcome all these vices that we've become subject to and [1:11:18] Cameron M Ultimately to push back in an organized fashion where we have bases of operation ideological readouts we have a source of continual strength [1:11:29] Rebecca Hargraves It's not just running away. It's the most common objection people have [1:11:33] Cameron M It's like it's not running away to own real estate We want our people to own the land and have our own communities How is that running away if if you're not doing that what are you doing like paying rent to a landlord might not even be white [1:11:48] Rebecca Hargraves paying uh, you know a development company to build your house who hires mexicans like what are you doing [1:11:55] Cameron M With your money with your resources if you're not putting it together with other whites and building our own communities [1:12:00] Dave Reilly Absolutely Yeah, speaking of putting your money together you can go to give send go Where our vol has a campaign running it's give send go dot com slash our vol hyphen rttl I believe you also have a link to this on your twitter, which is at our vol underscore And it looks how much how much of you guys raise so far 72,000 344 dollar that is fantastic, which is great. That's already you know more than your Your what you call it legal budget, which is good You know be nice to double that yep But yeah, you know, I mean we've got Shiloh Hendrix raising $100,000 you know like come on people please [1:12:41] Rebecca Hargraves Yep [1:12:42] Cameron M Anyway, do we get in all the questions for our vol I believe we did uh, I think I think that's it. I'm yeah [1:12:49] Dave Reilly Oh wait wait wait wait wait wait we got one from midnight soul who sent five dollars Since your psa is invite only involves no real estate transactions and has no victims claiming damages I don't see how you could get into any trouble with rttl [1:13:03] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed They'll find a way they will find a way to harass us, but uh the lawyer is that we've spoken with tend to see it in the same way Some have expressed skepticism upfront and then they got into the details of how we've organized And ultimately they come to the same conclusion So we really haven't encountered a lawyer both like our guys who are doing it pro bono and then people that we've hired We haven't encountered anyone who said like this isn't gonna hold up in court Uh, and we're still you know building that framework out so we're not done [1:13:37] Rebecca Hargraves nice [1:13:38] Dave Reilly And uh, we do have one more from centurion verinus who sent $15 on entropy hey our bowl You have a very large book election thoughts on making a tour video. We would love it. Thank you for all you do [1:13:54] Rebecca Hargraves Uh, yeah, thanks [1:13:56] Cameron M This is not quite all my books um, I do like books. I like physical books holding them Sometimes there's a smell yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely Yeah, I mean absolutely. I will make Various forms of content out of the tour. I'm also going to be hosting rallies in the same areas So I'll be meeting up with rttl people people from other groups in our spheres And then I'm going to door knock for on the ground political rallies about demographic change [1:14:30] Rebecca Hargraves And then at those rallies someone from rttl was likely to be there [1:14:34] Cameron M Someone from other groups like patreon front is likely to be there and uh, I think this is a Missed opportunity, you know, that we could have been doing a long time ago like Jehovah's Witness will go out and door knock We can do it too, you know, maybe it won't be a white person who opens the door So also have like a Jehovah's Witness flyer But that's what I'm going to do and yeah, I definitely will record those rallies and uh, any progress that's made I can't necessarily document that piece of land For obvious reasons. It's easy to yeah, just from a few video clips You know, figure out triangulate where in the country exactly it is We want most of these communities to be totally anonymous where you can join anonymously securely Our first community obviously is like the center of all the attention And so the people who move here they understand that they're part more or less of an active struggle Emedy so uh, I'll be constrained and how much I can cover but absolutely will keep you updated Yeah, no, that's great [1:15:43] Dave Reilly We've got a couple more that have been trickling in on rumble and power chat What is this is from ijt which I think sounds like digit maybe What is and $40 what's involved in starting a new RTTL community for example in Utah or Wyoming [1:16:03] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed Yeah, we have an article on our substack that goes into the process there [1:16:09] Dave Reilly But essentially you would join RTTL in the first place and get your group together organized primarily [1:16:17] Rebecca Hargraves We've been using telegram people can use different messaging apps have regular meetings [1:16:21] Dave Reilly That's what we did for the first community for months before we ever met each other in real life [1:16:26] Cameron M We had weekly meetings and discussed things So have those regular meetings gets to know the people who are actually interested in doing it out there and Decide who will your board of managers be you need a president vice president [1:16:41] Dave Reilly Treasurer secretary in some cases those roles can be filled by one individual [1:16:46] Rebecca Hargraves Across multiple roles [1:16:48] Cameron M But you need organization will help with the documents once you get to that point Another preliminary step is you have to do the research in your state in all the relevant areas So when it comes to health code when it comes to the building code when it comes to real estate development anything [1:17:06] Dave Reilly Any specific language that exists in your state on intentional communities [1:17:11] Cameron M So you can look at that substack article For I believe it's posted or if it's not up now it will be shortly But yeah, we also once you're in the PMA you know talk with us talk you know Peter series the main [1:17:26] Dave Reilly Organizer of a lot of our legal efforts. He's the one directly contacting lawyers [1:17:31] Cameron M And he would be the person to talk to as far as what precisely should you be researching But we try to be open to people, you know my telegram handle is out there. I'll talk to [1:17:43] Dave Reilly Ordinary members as well as just the general public because I think [1:17:48] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed We are not working together at this scale that we need to we do need to the kind of personally sacrifice and put our neck on the line For the good of our people so we're out there intentionally we're available to talk about all of this stuff So the best ways really just reach out and also join our TTO nice [1:18:06] Dave Reilly And you've also you've got a website here. It is return to the land dot org Two more super chats and then we'll cut you loose here helpful mans and five dollars looking to Brandon Joe Williams to learn about building your own nation The US corporate system is intentionally complex and designed for profit stop giving their lawyers your money be sovereign It's easier now, but that also kind of leaves you as like an atomized individual, right? I mean the whole point is community to have a group of people absolutely What are your thoughts? [1:18:37] Rebecca Hargraves I'm not familiar with the with what he's referencing so I can't really speak to that [1:18:42] Cameron M But yeah, like you said We want our own communities that are going to be here for our kids Yeah, I mean you can run away to a third world nation and whatever the laws are in Europe or the US that you object to in Canada, you know You could go to jail for denying the Holocaust and things like that if you want to get away from that you could always move to Argentina [1:19:03] Rebecca Hargraves But what is that going to lead for your kids right absolutely big mad lads and five dollars [1:19:08] Dave Reilly I love what our ball is doing. I donate $20 to him earlier I really want to see someone create a lobby pressure group for whites like the ADL [1:19:17] Rebecca Hargraves True, absolutely very true. All right, thank you so much for joining us You can find him on x at Arval a a are V O L L underscore you can find him on youtube at eric or wall and you can find him on return to the land.org Please check him out. Please donate to his gifts and go Watch his youtube videos, which are fantastic. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us today [1:19:43] Cameron M We got one more. Yeah, thank you both. It was a pleasure speaking with a white osprey sent five dollars [1:19:48] Dave Reilly Could you please answer the other question about a holistic approach to health and organic ag like banning the chemicals that they Have largely been behind polluting everything Sorry, sorry, they're kind of like ruined the the nice segue out, but [1:20:05] Cameron M No, that's fine. We here. We have three acre The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [1:20:09] Rebecca Hargraves Lots informal lots So that we can all do agricultural operations. We raise goats Chickens [1:20:18] Cameron M I'm looking to get into alpacas. That's not a food product We want to be working with wool [1:20:24] Dave Reilly And [1:20:25] Cameron M Yeah, I mean there are people who have gardens out here. I'm growing tomatoes and squash And a few other things so we're we're looking to move in that direction, but again, this kind of Idealism versus pragmatism thing. It would be great if we could be fully self-sustaining on day one But just building roads just putting in wells and septic systems and Housing it takes a lot of time and resources [1:20:52] Dave Reilly But ultimately, yeah, we've kind of built this community in particular to be able to grow into a [1:20:58] Rebecca Hargraves self-sustaining agricultural development [1:21:01] Cameron M All right. Sorry. That doesn't know. Now we're good. Thank you so much. We really appreciate it. We'll talk to you soon All right. Thank you both. Have a great day [1:21:10] Rebecca Hargraves And we also would like to thank our sponsors. Let's do analo pill. Yes. Hold on one second. Let me [1:21:17] Dave Reilly Get all around here. Hold on. I need to need to drink this I assume that's methylene blue. Oh, yeah It's the Alex Jones shit right there. 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No, no, no And she also did just add some silver to the flash sale did she did she just told me in live chat uh-huh Look at that. I don't know where it is. Is that right there? The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed [1:24:38] Cameron M I mean refresh [1:24:41] Dave Reilly Well, I'm sure it'll come up But anyway, uh, please check out Atlas bullion dot com slash backlash and if you go to our website you can go over here to affiliate links And it's the first one here gold and silver and that is how uh you can very easily get uh to Atlas bullions website We've also got a link Down in the description below So please save your money if you want to you know save your future generations Don't save in dollars save in something that can't be debased. 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I went to pilgrims. Yeah, and uh is like $40 for like a tiny tin And it was just trash compared to really yeah, that's awful. I know and so I was like man. I really appreciate IdahoTalo [1:26:20] Dave Reilly Yeah, it's very good and it's it's interesting too I was uh I was up in callville for the weekend. I guess I'll all box myself a little bit I was in callville at this old cabin that was given to my friends dad's neighbor bite Teddy Roosevelt in like way back in the day It's in the middle of this like wildlife refuge. It's got no internet. It's got no cell service. That sounds awesome [1:26:41] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah, you kept texting me from satellite. I was like what is happening right now? I had the craziest dreams [1:26:47] Dave Reilly By the way one of them was like this crazy dystopian like civil war broke out and I was live streaming it It was I thought it was a crazy dream and then everyone was like uh Dave. That's a nightmare Yeah, and I'm like oh really true. I guess my future We are gonna be live streaming it and then I had this other dream about like Church and it was really weird like a bishop came in but he brought Jonathan Pollard with him And I was like this isn't good and then Nick Fuentes was doing a rally at that same church later in the day your dreams are just Our future [1:27:22] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed It's just reality on crack [1:27:24] Dave Reilly But what I was going at is they had this big community event up there in callville And like there were other people that were like selling Soap and none of it was maple tallow [1:27:34] Cameron M It was all overpriced like yeah by by our four-round skincare for $50 [1:27:39] Dave Reilly And it's like what is this made this as artificial fragrances and then it has Artificial colorings in it like a the tie-late bomb. Yeah, it's just like why would you do that? So anyway, that is something that distinguishes Ida hotela.com [1:27:53] Rebecca Hargraves So we love all of our sponsors though if you are health conscious [1:27:57] Dave Reilly We got a couple last minutes super chats here from big mad lad who sent five dollars Can we talk about how cute blonde looks today loving her new hairstyle? [1:28:06] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, I just my bangs were greasy so I swept them to one side [1:28:09] Dave Reilly I didn't do anything else greasy bangs if you use the Ida hotelo Beard balm as a hair pomade. I'm not gonna do that. Not greasy. It's wonderful. I've been unironically using it It's been great. Uh, I believe that brings us up to date on all the power chats and the super chats [1:28:28] Rebecca Hargraves Well, you guys were so supportive today. We had great viewership for this [1:28:31] Dave Reilly I think they got up to like three maybe three thousand. Yeah, it's about three thousand awesome I'm killing it on Twitter with 2000 on on just on my Twitter. Oh nice nice very nice [1:28:42] Rebecca Hargraves We will see you guys on Wednesday for a great show next Monday [1:28:44] Dave Reilly We're having the legendary Phil turnion. Oh, so that'll be a great episode join us on Wednesday [1:28:50] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 58 — Return to the Land or Die in the City_ Aarvoll_s Plan to Rebuild the West_transcribed This is the backlash follow us on x at real backlash find all of our links on our website the backlash dot net [1:28:57] Dave Reilly Hold on there. There's our ex account the backlash website the backlash dot net and we will see you guys on Wednesday [1:29:04] Rebecca Hargraves Thank you so much. Bye-bye