Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan: Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w/Marcel Dumas

Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas.mp4 [0:02:42] Dave Reilly Not a chicken, is the first thing that everybody's going to hear. Allegedly. Unless they heard our conversation about what gooning is. Chat, do we have a hot mic during the intro? Is this what happens? Can you hear us like talking about our- [0:02:55] Rebecca Hargraves I don't know, I asked the live chat, which was a mistake. [0:02:58] Cameron M Because I thought that I had it rigged that we could talk during the intro. [0:03:03] Rebecca Hargraves The potential for disaster there is just incredible what? I, like, if we ever have a hot mic moment, if we weren't so true, [0:03:11] Dave Reilly reputationally, we will be exposed as being ourselves. That's true, which would be great. [0:03:16] Rebecca Hargraves This is The Backlash. Did I already say that? I'm your host Rebecca Hardgraves. [0:03:19] Dave Reilly This is Dave Riley. [0:03:21] Rebecca Hargraves Dave Riley, you can find us on X. At Real Backlash, our website, thebacklash.net, support us on, subscribestar.com slash The Backlash, Patreon.com slash The Backlash, send your super chats that will be read live, questions for our guests. At the end of our show, too, thebacklash.net slash super chats, [0:03:39] Dave Reilly sub to us on YouTube. [0:03:41] Rebecca Hargraves At Real Backlash, sub to us on Rumble at Backlash podcast. [0:03:45] Dave Reilly Thank you so much for joining us today. Also, we have a little worker bee. [0:03:48] Rebecca Hargraves And he set us up on Instagram, TikTok. It's putting all of our shorts up. We're building our brand. Nice. We're going to figure out the youth. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:03:57] Dave Reilly We're going to know what Goon means. The youth. The two youths. Yeah, that's all three of them that watch our show. Yeah, totally. No, it'll be great. [0:04:05] Rebecca Hargraves Thank you so much. And thanks to our sponsors, Atlas Boolean, Idaho, Talo, and Alopill, we'll talk about them in a little bit. But first, we want to welcome our guest. [0:04:13] Dave Reilly Yes. Thank you. [0:04:15] Rebecca Hargraves Well, hold on, before we get there. [0:04:17] Dave Reilly See, that was a billboard ad that you just did. Where you say, thanks to our sponsors, that's a billboard, right? And so you have to give a little description of what they do. So like Atlas Boolean, they sell Gold and Silver. [0:04:31] Rebecca Hargraves Are you sure the ad is Boolean doesn't sell Talo? [0:04:33] Dave Reilly For skincare and health products and, you know, and Alopill, book publishing. [0:04:38] Rebecca Hargraves How on earth could you not? [0:04:39] Dave Reilly Who publishes some of the best? Could you dissed in books in the world? [0:04:42] Rebecca Hargraves Why didn't you tell me this before the show? After the show, at many of our production meetings, [0:04:46] Dave Reilly you could have sent me an email. [0:04:48] Rebecca Hargraves You could have sent me a text message. You could have messaged me on Telegram. There is zero reason for you to say this on air. [0:04:54] Cameron M We can figure it out later. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:04:56] Dave Reilly Help me make the show seamless. [0:04:58] Rebecca Hargraves I'm working real hard. [0:04:59] Dave Reilly It's just my desire for chaos. I had a very chaotic weekend. We went to the Gun Range, did a little bump firing, had some fun, had one of those forced reset triggers. It makes it go, it's nice. [0:05:11] Rebecca Hargraves It's a good time. That sounds like chaos. [0:05:13] Dave Reilly Can you intro our patiently waiting guests? We absolutely can't. Today we are joined by the one and only Marcel Dumas. How do you say your last name? [0:05:22] Rebecca Hargraves Goutro? Goutro. [0:05:24] Dave Reilly Goutro. I can read French. I took four years of it. It's a soft you got like a gut. There we go. [0:05:31] Rebecca Hargraves He's a PhD graduate from George Mason University specializing in Austrian economics, public choice economics, [0:05:38] Dave Reilly and development economics with a focus on authoritarian regimes and developmental states. His research examines how targeted state interventions can drive economic growth by supporting key industries. He has taught courses in macro economics, money and banking, as well as public policy. So please give a big backlash. [0:06:00] Rebecca Hargraves Welcome to Marcel. [0:06:05] Dave Reilly All right. Is that a good enough intro for you? That was excellent. Wonderful. Well done. [0:06:09] Rebecca Hargraves Well done. [0:06:10] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed We have so many questions to ask you. [0:06:12] Rebecca Hargraves But you can start. [0:06:13] Cameron M Well, now that you say that you read that bio out loud [0:06:16] Rebecca Hargraves on my professional website, I remember that I think it was Caffefinon on Twitter. He said like, you should search out anybody who's research interested, subscribe is like researching the far right [0:06:26] Dave Reilly or researching authoritarianism, just block them immediately [0:06:29] Rebecca Hargraves because they're always just some sort of lab trying to dock to you. And I realized like, you know, I do technically say that I study authoritarian regimes. And I do prefer like a totally separate reason. So when I heard you say it, I literally rolled my eyes in my own description. That's funny. Well, that's true. [0:06:45] Dave Reilly I forgot to mention that you were also a Meez's Institute Fellow from like what, 2019 to 2022. [0:06:52] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah. Yeah, that's not right. Nice. Very good. Do you remember when, well, this happens periodically like on an annual basis, there'll be some doctorate review or some kind of research paper that comes out [0:07:06] Dave Reilly that's like examining the alt, right? Yeah, I've got a guy in France right now who's been like emailing me for a year. Yeah. Like I really want to do an interview with you from a French PhD class. I know what you're up to. No, I'm not talking with you. I do think that it's really funny that they have such a close eye [0:07:23] Rebecca Hargraves on all of us. [0:07:24] Dave Reilly And it makes me feel like I'm important. So keep researching. That's good. It was hugely damaging in like 2016, [0:07:31] Rebecca Hargraves because after I would say after the Trump election and there was a lot of, you know, who are these people that voted for Trump, [0:07:36] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed but then after Charlottesville, so in 2017, I suspect, that was when you saw a bunch of reporters [0:07:41] Rebecca Hargraves in the New York Times and by news and everyone and they were going around, you know, interviewing Richardson's answer and everyone else, you know, what made you be in the far right? [0:07:49] Dave Reilly And they would just get reams [0:07:50] Rebecca Hargraves basically of psychological data on everybody [0:07:53] Dave Reilly that ever waved a teaky torch. [0:07:54] Rebecca Hargraves And they were asking you like, what specifically, tell me who you are, tell me your class background, [0:07:59] Dave Reilly tell me where you went to school. What specifically did you read [0:08:02] Rebecca Hargraves that made you become a right-wing extremist? What were you feeling? Were you feeling sad? Were you feeling like you got no bitches? Like what was it? [0:08:08] Cameron M Tell me every insecurity that you had. [0:08:10] Rebecca Hargraves And then every two times, like yeah, you know, I just really feel like the whole world's against me. And I could just, if I could just feel stronger and I could just feel like I was in charge, then I would, you know, [0:08:20] Cameron M then I would consider that winning. [0:08:22] Rebecca Hargraves And then all that data was collated and then a few years later, like bath came out. [0:08:26] Dave Reilly And it's like, it's an ideology to make you feel strong. [0:08:29] Rebecca Hargraves Unbelievable. We should talk about that. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:08:30] Dave Reilly By the way, today is the eighth anniversary of the teaky torch mark. [0:08:34] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, wonderful. [0:08:35] Dave Reilly It's also, it is. It is the, also the feast day of St. Filamina. Oh, so I have a special devotion to St. Filamina. Gotta give her a shout out. She's the best. Anyway, okay. [0:08:48] Rebecca Hargraves Now what? [0:08:49] Cameron M We didn't do any show prep. [0:08:51] Rebecca Hargraves No, no, we didn't. [0:08:52] Cameron M You talk about Annala Pill. [0:08:53] Rebecca Hargraves You said we can get them in a minute. I can talk to them for an hour on end. Whenever I have a visible, minority on the channel, I have to ask them to defend their blackness. Yeah, so that's how I want you to start. I want you to just start by a defense of how you're black and why you're here. On the show. Well, I was born this way and every day I look in the mirror and I think this is fantastic. I can say basically whatever I want. I can do whatever I want in film and consequence. [0:09:20] Dave Reilly I can have an advanced degree and talk to you, find people. [0:09:23] Rebecca Hargraves It's pretty good. I get to see everything from all perspectives. Oh, there you go. It hasn't a rhetorical question. The live chat's super pissed off. I know. [0:09:33] Dave Reilly Here we go. [0:09:35] Cameron M No, it's OK. Oh, it'll be great. [0:09:37] Rebecca Hargraves Ryan Hart says, interesting choice of guests. You've been killing it on Twitter, though. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:09:42] Dave Reilly Your perspective on Israel is really high IQ [0:09:46] Rebecca Hargraves and I think that we are allies in that way. If you want to talk a little bit about your latest material on Twitter and what you've been discussing in the interactions [0:09:54] Dave Reilly that you've had with the dissident right, are you a part of the dissident right? How do you feel about that? [0:09:59] Rebecca Hargraves I certainly wouldn't call myself part of the dissident right. I mean, dissident right is a term that was almost came in like to soften up the term alt-right, which referred to something altogether harder. [0:10:10] Dave Reilly Like today, dissident right is kind of alluded to. [0:10:12] Rebecca Hargraves It all refers to like neo-reaction, barbarian vitalism. Even to some extent, the intellectual dark web is dissident right. So in that sense, no, I wouldn't call myself dissident right. I mean, I am on the right. I consider myself a dissident. I would say I'm far right, but I'm part of it [0:10:31] Dave Reilly saying older tradition. [0:10:32] Rebecca Hargraves So I would say I'm on the old rights, we'll say. [0:10:36] Dave Reilly Hmm. [0:10:37] Rebecca Hargraves So like Buckley? [0:10:39] Dave Reilly No. [0:10:40] Rebecca Hargraves You're exactly like real Buckley. Yeah, I'm a Robert Captain Joyer. [0:10:43] Cameron M Actually, I'm a Robert Captain Joyer. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:10:44] Rebecca Hargraves Charles Lumberg, enjoy your. There we go. [0:10:47] Dave Reilly Well, see, and this is something that's like really interesting, you know, just to spurg out here immediately. There are these kind of waves of awakening that seem to happen throughout American history. And you can see it happen after like, you know, the turn of the century with the William Jennings Brian movement by metalism, this kind of like, you know, peasant revolt of the farmers against the people in Washington. And there was a group called coxies rebellion or something like that. And I think that happened after World War I, maybe. I could be wrong. You know, then there's the kind of formation of the silver legion, William Dudley Pelley, people like this. And they kind of lead us up to World War II. And then immediately after World War II, you had like the awakening of like General MacArthur, General Patton, and this kind of network of people that were formerly in the army, which basically leads us to like, you know, the Aryan nations of the 1980s. And then, you know, it kind of dies down in the 90s a little bit, but, you know, you had the pap you can and doing his thing, you know, as Nick was talking about in his show. And then it all kind of blows wide open with 9-11. And then we have this kind of new era of, you know, Ryan Dawson, Nick Puentes, and all of these people that have kind of come in since September 11th. But at the same time, it's basically the same thing over and over and over again, like Groundhog Day. [0:12:22] Cameron M Am I wrong in that? [0:12:24] Dave Reilly Marcel, do you kind of see that lineage, [0:12:26] Cameron M that kind of history or why aren't you? [0:12:28] Rebecca Hargraves Yes, yes, each time there's an actual popular right wing movement that actually reflects social values, which is it's crushed on both ends. There's usually an incredibly powerful censorship regime, usually involved in the FBI, the IRS, the FCC. And then there's a stab in the back, usually from just their public and party. [0:12:50] Dave Reilly And actually, there's a bit of a baked in quality here. [0:12:54] Rebecca Hargraves With the first old right, it's not the same because that just was a public and party. [0:12:58] Dave Reilly But what happens is as each movement becomes big enough, [0:13:01] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed they start to convince themselves that they can take over their public and party, [0:13:05] Cameron M or they can be in their public and party. [0:13:07] Rebecca Hargraves You know, we built up this infrastructure, we built up the numbers. Now that we have this real track that can threaten power, let's all go vote GOP. And then the GOP just totally swallows them. [0:13:18] Dave Reilly You know, there was a great book by Paul Matzko [0:13:21] Cameron M called The Radio Right, where I think about how [0:13:24] Rebecca Hargraves like conservatism was like a phenotype is not even an ideology because it's like exactly the same [0:13:28] Dave Reilly where the Kennedy administration and the Johnson administration [0:13:32] Rebecca Hargraves were weaponizing the FCC against everybody that broadcasted, what is it, the 20th century revival hour, I think what's his name. [0:13:42] Cameron M And there was one radio guy, his station was called [0:13:45] Rebecca Hargraves like Red Line Radio or something. And he literally wrote to the head of the FCC saying something like, oh, well, thank you for letting me know all the people I'm not supposed to have on. I just got this one last guy on. [0:13:56] Cameron M So now I have all 15, you know, extreme shows. [0:13:59] Dave Reilly He gets sued by the FCC within like a month. [0:14:02] Rebecca Hargraves And then he starts writing to the FCC about like the [0:14:04] Dave Reilly constitution, you know, something just never changed. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:14:08] Rebecca Hargraves And so every generation is always gonna be somebody who's like, now we should try to be in the GOP and really move them in our direction. It's like, and I think it's like this false idea that people have that the GOP is like an untamed wilderness because they kind of look at the average [0:14:20] Dave Reilly Republican voter and they see that the average Republican [0:14:21] Rebecca Hargraves voter has no concrete ideology. They're often not very smart. And they say to themselves, well, I have like a real ideology that actually answers questions that actually solve problems. [0:14:31] Dave Reilly The average Republican doesn't know anything. So with my superior 130, 140 IQ, I'll just tell them [0:14:37] Rebecca Hargraves about my ideology and then they'll join me. And they almost imagine themselves ideologically [0:14:42] Dave Reilly like Cortez or something needing the Aztecs [0:14:44] Rebecca Hargraves where they're gonna get all the tribes together and then take down like Zogamon to Zuma. But actually it's not like that at all. The GOP is not an untamed wilderness. It's like a hostile civilization. With every single immune cell is there looking for you. And it's there to make sure that you don't get what you want out of the party. [0:15:03] Dave Reilly That's interesting. So do you think we know this has been something we've been talking about on the show? Poll after poll showing that Americans are completely, you know, disheartened by the two party system that more and more America's. I think 63% was like the latest, I said that they would prefer a third party. Do you think a third party is even viable in this country? How do we defeat the great Satan from within? [0:15:27] Rebecca Hargraves I've been moving around on this question. I don't think a third party can win. Like I think people forget is that [0:15:32] Dave Reilly I'm sure the Republican party or the Democratic party is the oldest political party in the world. [0:15:38] Rebecca Hargraves Like currently extant. It's been around since Andrew Jackson, it's the oldest. And the Republican party is somewhere, The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:15:45] Dave Reilly like I think one of the eight oldest parties, [0:15:46] Rebecca Hargraves like they've been at this for very long time. The entire federal infrastructure is devoted [0:15:52] Dave Reilly towards handing out favors to the both of them. [0:15:54] Rebecca Hargraves So I don't think you're going to displace them. I think Michael Kretschmer, known by the fake name Michael Males, he pointed out that a military junta has consistently pulled above the libertarian party. And to my understanding, that's the most popular third party. But I think that what a third party can do [0:16:11] Dave Reilly is you're going to need to be a third party. [0:16:12] Rebecca Hargraves But any political organization, what it can do is have just a coherent list of demands and just threaten to spoil elections for whichever party happens to be nearby [0:16:24] Dave Reilly and just threaten to pull, threaten to pull, threaten to pull. [0:16:27] Rebecca Hargraves And they can, and from that adversarial position, drag the Republican party or the Democratic party, kicking and screaming, depending where they are, you know, closer and closer to their position. And couldn't the same be achieved [0:16:38] Dave Reilly through abstaining from voting? [0:16:39] Rebecca Hargraves I mean, I don't vote because women shouldn't vote, [0:16:42] Dave Reilly and I don't want to contribute to the system [0:16:44] Rebecca Hargraves that clearly is just funding for Israeli proxy wars. [0:16:49] Dave Reilly And I don't think a voting accomplishes anything. So like, couldn't we just be like, The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:16:52] Rebecca Hargraves we're not paying taxes, we're not voting? Well, even if you don't pay taxes, they print the money, it comes out of your check. [0:16:58] Cameron M I know. Yeah, I mean, definitely not voting is good, [0:17:00] Rebecca Hargraves but like not voting is like too individualistic. That's a libertarian, I should let you know. Individual citizens don't work it. [0:17:07] Dave Reilly But you know, if you just don't vote, you need to send a clear signal, [0:17:11] Rebecca Hargraves and that's why I think a third party, [0:17:13] Dave Reilly because as I say, when you vote third party, [0:17:15] Rebecca Hargraves you're throwing your vote away. And in a sense, that's true, but at least you want to all throw away your vote [0:17:20] Cameron M into the same bin so everybody knows why you did it. [0:17:22] Dave Reilly Because if you just say, well, I'm just disaffected as a voter, [0:17:25] Rebecca Hargraves they're like, will you be disaffected if I give you $20? I was like, I guess not. But if you say, no, I'm voting for the American awakening party, I don't know, I just made that up. It's probably a real thing. They're probably extremely racist actually. [0:17:37] Cameron M I'm like, for the American awakening party, [0:17:39] Rebecca Hargraves then at least they'll know, okay, there's like a thousand votes in the pop [0:17:42] Cameron M for the American awakening party in this district. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:17:44] Rebecca Hargraves I might as well see if I can pick those up somehow. [0:17:47] Dave Reilly Yeah, I mean, I guess the last real time that this was like successful, at least at the national level, was the Pat Buchanan Ross Perot thing and was at 1992, or was it 96? 92? 92, yeah. [0:17:59] Rebecca Hargraves That's right. [0:17:59] Cameron M Okay, just so you know, I looked it up, [0:18:01] Rebecca Hargraves the American Freedom Party, which is actually the first thing I was going to say, and I thought, is that real? [0:18:05] Cameron M It is. [0:18:06] Rebecca Hargraves And they are exactly what I should just do the work. Excellent. [0:18:10] Dave Reilly Wonderful. [0:18:12] Rebecca Hargraves We did have some questions about racial identity. [0:18:14] Dave Reilly And by way, I mean me. I mean, I did too. [0:18:17] Rebecca Hargraves Do you think it's more important to establish [0:18:20] Dave Reilly white identity in the United States or in the West [0:18:22] Rebecca Hargraves or to oppose Zionist control and do you think these are mutually exclusive? [0:18:28] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed I mean, they're not mutually exclusive. [0:18:30] Rebecca Hargraves It's hard to see, they're both two fronts of one thing. In practice, the thing that is obstructing white identity is like a Zionist power structure [0:18:44] Dave Reilly that not only wants a multiculturalism, but specifically wants a multiculturalism [0:18:49] Rebecca Hargraves in which whites are at the bottom. So there are other power structures which, or other countries that have a multicultural society [0:18:58] Dave Reilly in which the majority group isn't despised [0:19:00] Rebecca Hargraves and delegitimized. So a lot of people, people who are like in civic nationalism, but then they realize that's not going to work. They start to go with Singapore. And I think Singapore is a great example because in there you have Lee Kuan Yew [0:19:12] Dave Reilly who was like an HBD enjoyer. [0:19:16] Rebecca Hargraves He has like the harshest race laws, I think in the first world, but it's all backstopped on the idea that Chinese people are the core of the state. They are its founding stock and then other groups should not expect similar life outcomes as they. And similar countries that do things like that are like Russia or whatever. So it's hard for me as someone who's not white [0:19:36] Dave Reilly to say here's what I think white people should do. [0:19:38] Rebecca Hargraves But restoring political sovereignty, [0:19:42] Dave Reilly as I would say the first and most important goal [0:19:44] Rebecca Hargraves of having an elite that isn't totally hostile to white existence and thereby to just the existence [0:19:50] Dave Reilly of civilization. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:19:51] Rebecca Hargraves Because what you have now is an elite [0:19:53] Dave Reilly that really is just trying to find a way [0:19:56] Rebecca Hargraves to have as much white productivity as possible with as little white political agency as possible. [0:20:01] Dave Reilly All right, interesting. Yeah, I mean, there's this thing that's happening on the right. [0:20:08] Rebecca Hargraves A lot of it connected to BAP, I think, [0:20:11] Dave Reilly but we've been seeing it for a while, where my personal position is that we need to all work together and take out the Zionist power in the States. And after that, the second order consequence will be white well-being. [0:20:26] Cameron M Then there are these people, these like BAP pagan types [0:20:31] Dave Reilly that are saying, oh, see your anti-white. [0:20:33] Cameron M And it's like, oh, that pagan? Is that what he is now? He's a pagan? I don't know, I don't know. [0:20:37] Dave Reilly There's a whole slew of these different people. But it's like, if you don't make white well-being, [0:20:43] Rebecca Hargraves your number one priority, then somehow you're anti-white. [0:20:48] Dave Reilly And it's like, you know, we've had these people out here doing this for a decade and fuck all has happened. Like we have gotten absolutely nowhere. They're not even building their own businesses, business networks. You know, it's just like a couple of guys on YouTube or whatever. [0:21:03] Rebecca Hargraves Right, I'm totally for allying with people that are disparate from us, racially, because we all have different motives for wanting to overturn Jewish control. I mean, some of them are the same motives, but they have such a stranglehold on society, on the West, on our financial system, that I think that we are going The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed to have to join forces to defeat Jewish power. Yeah, I don't even think it needs to be called an alliance. Like, I mean, you're not allying with me. I don't know. They're certainly not an army of black people behind me. You know what I'm saying. [0:21:36] Cameron M They can't hide it. It's more just a strategic understanding [0:21:40] Dave Reilly of one who is, as a Russian say, agreement capable [0:21:45] Rebecca Hargraves and what is the actual problem that you face. So one problem that is for you, not for me, for me, it's great. The one problem that you guys have. You know, most white people are not, like, racially put on the activated. And I mean, you see this pattern and other, even like a part-side state, [0:22:01] Dave Reilly is that, frankly, once the structure is in place [0:22:06] Cameron M to make minorities behave, everybody kind of forgets, or doesn't say they forget why they did it, [0:22:11] Rebecca Hargraves but all the authoritarian things that are required to do it, [0:22:13] Dave Reilly like, you know, Rhodesia, they had these laws researching which blacks could live in cities, [0:22:18] Rebecca Hargraves but the measure for which blacks could live in cities was like, you have to have a high school diploma, you need to have a job and everything. And between that and the security laws, you know, there was just, like, if you were to tell somebody living in Salisbury, yeah, you know, black select turbo criminal, they'd be walking around the black air time, like, that doesn't seem to make any sense. Every black person I see is employed or whatever. And this is something also, you know, let's say, others, you need to talk about, like, whatever the sphere of minorities, everybody has like a friend in that group. [0:22:45] Dave Reilly And there's a degree to which, [0:22:47] Rebecca Hargraves for people who want to have friends in minority groups, the way in which that is possible, you know, for the way for you to have friends, they're not your race, the acts like you is one in which your values are dominant. And you kind of have to, I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but you kind of have to accept that once your values are dominant, most people are not gonna want to go to step three. So even people that are, there are some people that are, you know, they're in the chat right now who are presently racially activated that they're like, I can't even bear to have a black person around, but let's think about just most people The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:23:16] Dave Reilly who grew up in the South from 1619, right? [0:23:20] Rebecca Hargraves To even 1965, they have blacks around them all the time. And it never occurred to them that black shouldn't be around. All they thought was, well, blacks need to behave [0:23:30] Dave Reilly that we want them to. Well, and this kind of brings us to like, here's a tweet that I saw last night, as I was, you know, doom scrolling before bed. And it's like, I don't really think people have a problem with black people because of the color of their skin. No, it's about what they eat is shit like this. Oh, Jesus Christ, let's see. Do we have audio? [0:23:53] Rebecca Hargraves So you are, you are personally responsible [0:23:55] Dave Reilly for this woman's behavior. [0:23:56] Cameron M I kind of want to see what the name is. [0:23:59] Rebecca Hargraves I can't hear it. All right, that. All right. Yeah. [0:24:10] Dave Reilly I am. [0:24:11] Cameron M Cut. [0:24:28] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, yeah, this is like my high school graduation. Can we just like, I'll just say in this woman's defense, she is present and engaged with a child's education. My child. [0:24:39] Cameron M She's here on an extreme graduation. [0:24:41] Rebecca Hargraves And she's like, my child is educated. And I'm emotionally invested in that. I want to. [0:24:47] Cameron M OK. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:24:48] Rebecca Hargraves She's turbo invested in it. Oh, my God. This is like the greatest day of her life. OK, that's a take. That's kind of a whole thing. That's right. [0:24:56] Cameron M OK, that's one way to interpret it. [0:24:58] Dave Reilly But yeah, I mean, I think it's just like, you know, we would just [0:25:00] Rebecca Hargraves like to not have to deal with shit like that. [0:25:03] Dave Reilly You know what I mean? Like throwing the popcorn in the movie theaters when chicken jockey comes out, you know, like basic, basic things. Please, I don't know. What can be done? What, I mean, is this, is this our problem? [0:25:15] Rebecca Hargraves Or is it a black problem? [0:25:16] Dave Reilly How do we work together to make this kind of shit not OK? [0:25:21] Rebecca Hargraves That's a black problem. That's a black problem. [0:25:23] Cameron M There, I mean, again, that's a sort of a, just a problem of [0:25:26] Rebecca Hargraves de legitimization of white norms, totalist empowerment. I like to expect that school is actually just entirely black. [0:25:31] Dave Reilly But. Well, no, there were definitely white, there was like, hold on. Let me pull this back up. You can see very clearly. There's like a, there's a white guy right there. [0:25:39] Rebecca Hargraves And a chick wearing a mask. Uh oh. What year is this? I know. I don't know. I saw a woman at Target yesterday wearing a mask. Jesus. You're wearing a mask in 2025. What are you doing? [0:25:50] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed Yeah. [0:25:51] Rebecca Hargraves What are you doing? If you're wearing a mask in 2020, you can also get wrecked. [0:25:54] Cameron M Hey, wait a minute. [0:25:55] Dave Reilly I was wearing a mask in 2020. Why? [0:25:57] Rebecca Hargraves I've been writing about this for a writing product that I'm doing right now. [0:26:01] Dave Reilly That people forget that in the beginning of COVID, conservatives were four wearing masks. [0:26:05] Rebecca Hargraves Yes. Because that was when Democrats were like, COVID's not real. It raises against Chinese people. Yes. And then they were a kind of Chinese person. The surgeon general was like, you, you, you, you, you, you, you don't even know how to wear a mask. Why don't you leave that to the doctors to wear masks? And then later I think it was only it was August 3rd, so in August. April 3rd, 2020, when suddenly, they changed it. And they said, okay, everyone's got to wear masks now. And conservatives first, they took the victory lap on it because they were like, we were right, and you were wrong. And then at the end of May, I do believe it. justice. Yes. And we had a race protest and a conservator decided in that moment what they were done for for any COVID restrictions, but for a while masks because it was like conservators wanted masks and border closures and Tom Cotton was for this. And then Liberals said we don't need to wear masks. What we need is like lockdowns and social distancing. And so that was sort of where the the binary was. I think people have just forgotten about COVID and it makes me furious because it was probably one of the biggest siop's that's ever been deployed on the Western world. And internationally [0:27:11] Dave Reilly and people are just like, oh, that's something that happened. And it showed the elites how much [0:27:17] Rebecca Hargraves the populists will comply. And that's a dangerous piece of information for them to have. [0:27:20] Dave Reilly Yeah. And it was surprising how much they did comply. Like Marcel was saying, you know, before I remember, you know, Vincent, I think this was during a pack one, you know, Vincent, I we flew down to DC and like he wouldn't even shake my hand. He would only do fist bumps. No, Vince. Why? Yeah, because we were afraid that like we were all seeing these videos of people in [0:27:40] Rebecca Hargraves China getting like, I was like that bird. Yeah, then there were like bodies in the street. So for The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:27:45] Dave Reilly two weeks, I was like, this might be serious. When we when my when my wife and I got married, my wife had COVID, by the way, like the day of our wedding. And we were wearing masks and like gloves on the airplane out. And everyone was looking at us like, we were fucking crazy. You know, we went to Vegas, you know, going around with masks on and all this stuff. And then by the time that we got home, you know, it was kind of like, okay, the time has passed. Right. The time to close the border [0:28:09] Cameron M and be afraid of this thing has passed. It's here. It's already. Yeah, exactly. And so then we were [0:28:17] Dave Reilly like, all right, we're no longer wearing masks. We're no longer doing this. We throw it away. And then everyone is looking at us like, we're crazy again, because we were the only ones not wearing masks. So it was absolutely infuriating. And we just actually this weekend, sorry, total personal random tangent. But you know, we've got our little storage container. And like, we stocked up, I mean, [0:28:36] Rebecca Hargraves we bought enough toilet paper to last like two and a half. But that was just wise because you were thinking that this COVID thing was going to disable supply lines. We were out. So we just went [0:28:46] Dave Reilly through all of our like COVID hoarding, you know, to make some room in the storage container. For 2025 hoarding, we were like hoarding like paste pecan tastes salsa jars just in case, like we couldn't get jars anymore or anything like that. I mean, it was a mess. Hey, you should, [0:29:01] Rebecca Hargraves we've finally, we've gone through that. Don't clear it out. You might need that. Look, you [0:29:05] Dave Reilly know, this is what month is August, right? We've got the anniversary of Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Oklahoma City bombing. So if there was ever a month to have really just in it, there was ever a month to have like a false flag to shut the country down because of anti-semitism. It would be now. And of course, speaking of, we have confirmation now that our government is continuing what was set up by the Biden administration. We got a clip here from Jonathan Greenblatt. Let's [0:29:38] Cameron M constantly do it. I have worked with the prior education secretary and I've worked with this education [0:29:44] Rebecca Hargraves secretary and I credit the Biden administration for their national strategy to counter anti-semitism, [0:29:49] Cameron M a really important document. No one had done what the Biden administration had done before in elevating anti-semitism to a federal priority and ADL and full disclosure worked with them on that The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:30:00] Rebecca Hargraves and they get a lot of credit for adopting the plan. And then I give credit to the Trump administration [0:30:06] Cameron M for actually implementing aspects of the plan and taking a strong view again in the face of real, [0:30:12] Rebecca Hargraves not imagined, real acts of hate, real acts of discrimination. Again, we helped to write the national strategy to counter anti-semitism released by the Biden administration. We were deeply involved in that. We are working as well with the Trump administration. This is what we do. I have work. [0:30:30] Dave Reilly Did I hear Jonathan Greenblatt say that he thanks Trump for implementing the plan? [0:30:36] Rebecca Hargraves Yes. He is a plan trust. We've got this tweet coming from Dominic Michael Trippi. [0:30:45] Dave Reilly New, the ADL CEO, Jonathan Greenblatt says ADL now actively working with the Trump administration to implement and enforce guidelines on the US national strategy to counter anti-semitism. So, you know, we're seeing Israel murdering journalists and people and talking about occupying Gaza and the natural response to all of this, of course, is anti-semitism. So, where do you see this going with your big PhD brain? Do you think we're going to get anti-semitism lockdowns? Because I remember when COVID was going on, there were certain elements in the Jewish fear that we're likening anti-semitism to a virus that needs to be eaten. Oh, it's a public health crisis. Oh, I mean, yeah, we had what RFK Jr. Are you talking about anti-semitism or [0:31:32] Rebecca Hargraves that's what RFK said. I just want to point out. So, in the background of the thing Greenblatt was doing, [0:31:38] Dave Reilly he had his book. It was called It Could Happen if you look at the video, it was read. That book, [0:31:42] Rebecca Hargraves it could happen here. You should read that book because he really talks about just what he does. [0:31:49] Dave Reilly That's head of the ADL. The president, the CEO, he talks to how he talks to donors of organizations. [0:31:56] Rebecca Hargraves He talks, he gives the example of when the organization Black Lives Matter, Reema Najar, Linda Sarsor, how when they wouldn't let the ADL, do you remember when those two Black guys went to the Starbucks and they weren't buying anything, but they were waiting for your job interview and then they got kicked out. So BLM sort of replaced how sharp. They just extorted Starbucks. You got to let us do some frames on racial sensitivity. The ADL said, oh, I see you guys are doing a racial shakedown. Can The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed we take part in this? And Black Lives Matter said, no, you can't because this is about police sensitivity. And you guys in the ADL, you actually, you are part of what's called the deadly exchange. So you in the ADL, you are working with sheriff departments, police departments, the FBI and everything else. And you send people to Israel to learn counter terror, but you also send cops to learn how to do urban pacification, not just riots, but individually. [0:32:46] Dave Reilly And in fact, one of the things that you teach police officers is how to kneel on people's necks. So the ADL cannot take part in this racial shakedown. This particular one. You guys can have [0:32:54] Rebecca Hargraves plenty. God knows, you have plenty, but you can't take part in this one. And Jonathan Greenblatt sort of just describes verbally in the book how he just found all the donors of Black Lives Matter checking all the Jewish ones and just called up and said, hey, just so you know, they locked the ADL out. Do you support this? And then when he found one that was resistant, he would just find that guy's business and just he wouldn't even like get stuck on one person. If one person blocks him, he finds everybody in that person's support network can cause each of them. And then if somebody in that support network blocks them, he'll go to that, he'll move one up the chain, he'll just keep ongoing. It's actually like, if anybody's familiar with like how world war two, it's like island hopping the Pacific theater. Whenever you find a fortified Japanese lion, you just skip it and move on to the next one and you just cut them off from you for the same purpose to cut them off from supply. And he describes how he talks to government officials. He also has some interesting thoughts on on a revolutionary Iran as this. He says the danger with Iran basically is that they could be anti-Semitic and get away with it. Because he describes how when it came to the Third Reich, by the time Crystal not happened, well, by the time Nuremberg lost happened in the Crystal not. The Third Reich was already acting kind of weird. They were all wearing a certain uniforms. They were seeing hiling each other. Hitler had already made territorial demands on Austria, on the state and land and so on. So everybody was kind of already orientedly anti-German by the time Crystal not happened. So there was no chance that the Germans could have like gotten away with it, so to speak, forgetting [0:34:21] Dave Reilly even anything that may have happened later in other places like in 1942 and overseas. It was by [0:34:26] Rebecca Hargraves that alone. But with Iran, he says the real danger is that you have a regime take power in 1979 have half the Jewish population leave the country. The country adopts a stance of like resolute anti-Semitism or anti-Semitism. It builds up nukes and then it just doesn't fight anybody and just gets to exist. Because then it would normalize the idea that a country could orient itself against liberal values, right? The open society. That society can do these things, not go to war and just be normal and get away with it. And so he says that's why Iran needs to be destroyed. He's like a Jesse Pinkman. They can't keep getting away with it. But what's your other question? Working with a Trump administration? Yeah, I mean, I'm not surprised by this. As far as I'm concerned, this is why Trump was elected this second time in the first place. Anybody who's happy that Trump won the election, you to thank him off for that. Because when he's broke through the barrier on October 7th, he guaranteed that every Jew was going to fall in line behind Trump to shift the vibe and then [0:35:31] Dave Reilly allow you to say the n-word while they purge the universities and the newspapers and TV shows. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:35:38] Rebecca Hargraves Strangely, academia, finance, government, weird. All that we're going to be purges of anti-Zionists. [0:35:44] Dave Reilly Right. Yeah, it's amazing how it's just been systematic at the university's getting rid of. They're all Jewish anyway. They're all Jewish presidents. They just happen to also be sympathetic [0:35:56] Rebecca Hargraves to anti-Zionist thought. They weren't even. The black unit at Columbia, I don't remember her name, [0:36:01] Cameron M what, Claudine Gettin. Yeah. She was living in... [0:36:04] Rebecca Hargraves Supposedly in the United States. You know, I mean, I was going to say something for myself, but most of all, you don't get a PhD in something and they'd be a president of Columbia University, or the Harvard or whatever hell it was, by having strong opinions about Jews. You know, she was just saying, like, at Harvard Highs or Columbia Highs, since the 1970s, when the black panthers were taking people hostage on welcome week, we've had a bunch of rules in play on how we handle multi-day protests on campus. And, you know, we don't call the cops on them, the, you know, comedy teachers that run these protests. They know how to act. We know how to act. So, when you're asking us to shut it down, we've already worked this out. Like, no, no, we were technically speaking, sir, you've worked this out, you know. If you remember back in the 1970s, the people doing multi-day protests on the college campuses were actually you. And so you wrote these rules. And so I'm just abiding by them so that these guys know they got to stay on the quad, [0:36:58] Dave Reilly they can't obstruct public access. And then eventually, they'll go away. And everybody said, okay, [0:37:03] Rebecca Hargraves no, those rules were for Bolshevism, okay? All the rules that we did on how you got a treat protest with kid gloves, that's where like communism and kill whitey, that it's not for from the river to the sea. So all those rules are getting put in the trash and throw them out. [0:37:18] Dave Reilly Yep, it's incredible. It was, they shifted on the dime. Let's talk about this bap thing. Okay. Let's go. The bap net, which, which angle the bat? Because I just want to hear his thoughts on [0:37:31] Rebecca Hargraves bat. I actually just watched a really interesting Fuentes clip where one of his subscribers had message him and they're like, well, bap, you know, talks to us about healthy living and the 15-minute [0:37:41] Dave Reilly rant that he wasn't. Yeah. And then Fuentes goes on this 15-minute rant about like how people want a father figure. And he's like, oh, you're going to listen to a Jewish spy because he tells you to eat your fruits and vegetables. But you know, one is a daddy here. And I thought that that was The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:37:54] Rebecca Hargraves really astute, although I am an advocate of self-improvement. But I think it's fascinating the way that bap has infiltrated the dissident right. And how he's taken control of part of the movement and absolutely astro-turted just by encouraging people to engage in seemingly positive behaviors. And I was wondering what you thought about that Marcel. Yeah, this is something they've really done to the right where they said the personal is political. The political is revolutionary. And then what's revolutionary is actually like a, you know, a third world chimp out or peasant-minded chimp out. So they'll say, like, cleaning your room and going to the gym, that's political. You should go to the gym. I should go to the gym. I should go to the gym a lot more than I do. But that's a political activity. That doesn't make you a better political actor. It's that maybe it makes you more credible when I appear on podcast and you can't see my double chin anymore. But it's just personal, right? It doesn't do anything. Then they'll say that voting for political candidate or joining the Republican Party of volunteering. This is like revolutionary. We're going to challenge a deep state by voting in American bipartisan elections. And then I'm not saying I endorse this behavior. I don't. I'm just giving you an example. But if some guy says, like, okay, so I had health insurance, you know, and they didn't pay my mom. So I'm going to go cap the CEO. That's a revolutionary activity. I'm not saying you should do it. Truly, I actually don't think you should do it. I'm opposed to it. But that's a revolutionary act. I mean, killing a czar is a revolutionary act and I'm super against that. But they were saying like, that's not really revolutionary. That's just that's that's just you you're chipping out. That's just personal. It's like a luxury belief or whatever. So they've completely cycled people's idea of what it means to confront power, challenge power, challenge the [0:39:32] Dave Reilly powerful. Again, really just to channel you into voting for the Republican Party. Yeah, it's interesting. Now, what do you think? I know that you also know our friend meta prime and meta for the past [0:39:46] Rebecca Hargraves couple of days has been running around. I mean, and it's different, right? Because like we all have [0:39:53] Dave Reilly our own algorithms. We're all kind of in our own sandbox on on our corner of the internet. But according to meta, what he's been seeing is a kind of disintegration dissolution of the BAP network in the wake of the Tucker Carlson Nick Fuentes spat where a lot of BAPs followers are allegedly waking up to the understanding that this guy's a Jewish spy. And he's piece of shit. And fuck him. He's not really America first. He's a Romanian Jew that got his start working with Barry [0:40:25] Rebecca Hargraves Weiss to like root anti-Semitism out of my stuff. Ironically, his name was M-A-S-S-A-D that he was [0:40:31] Cameron M a Palestinian. It's hard for me to even answer this question objectively because one, for me, [0:40:37] Rebecca Hargraves I would say since October 7th even before, it's always obvious to me what BAP was. So it's hard for me to evaluate when it's any more or less obvious than it was before. So I can't say like this surely, it's like that, that onion article where it's like this is surely the end of Trump's as man increasingly desperate for the fifth time or every time I'll see BAP post like like this has got to be the end of BAP. So when people look at people and also I tend to block BAP people quite a lot, um, everyone's in a while I'll point out The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed some retarded ass thing. The costume said, I, you've gotten me calling him BAP. His name is Costello Mario, okay? His name is Charles Cornish Dale, not Roy Gnashon was. It's Curtis Jarvin, not Mentor's Moldbug. It is Jordan Lasker, not Cremio. It is, um, who else? Jonathan Kieferman, not Lomas. Yes. Right. These people have real names and they should be referred to as I'm Marcel Gattro. That's my name. I'm using it. I'm Twitter, I'm Anakin Black. I'm Marcel Gattro. That's my name. Um, oh God. So look at this vampire. Look at [0:41:37] Cameron M this. This is not good. Anyway, I think a people maybe are, it has become I would say now that Trump [0:41:45] Rebecca Hargraves has been elected increasingly transparent. What it's about, but there are a lot of people who they do know what it's about and they just like it. I mean they, they'll, I've had them actually say they'll use the words, oustian bargain, which is, it's bananas to me because I think Europeans, I mean, [0:42:05] Cameron M probably the broader, the broader Mediterranean Caucasian super people, let us say the super race, [0:42:12] Rebecca Hargraves the Caucasus. I would have more stories about this concept than any other. Like if you go to, um, if you go to Africa, you sometimes Africa, you might find some stories about like trickster gods or something, um, in China, you don't really see too many stories about like, be careful what you wish for, like genies. This is not really a theme that exists in their culture. Jews themselves, funny. Jews have like the sort of like the golem, right, where there's something they created to serve them in terms against them. Um, and Frankenstein is the same story. But white people, Europeans have and Arabs and other Mediterranean peoples have like tons and tons of stories about like you go, [0:42:49] Cameron M like, you know, if you're in Ireland, it's like, hey, if you see a bunch of fairies giving you food, [0:42:53] Rebecca Hargraves don't eat it. But gin offers you a wish. Don't make the wish. You know, um, if, if Zeus offers you a [0:43:01] Cameron M deal, don't take it. If the devil offers you a deal, don't take it. Story after story after story, [0:43:06] Rebecca Hargraves after story that sometimes somebody who offers you what you want is trying to run a bit on you. More stories than anybody else. And somehow they just toss it out the window. Look straight out. I'm making a fast-ging impact where I'm going to let belligerent murderers, people with [0:43:20] Dave Reilly your murderers, and it doesn't bother me. I'm going to make a deal with the most untrustworthy people [0:43:25] Cameron M in the universe and it'll work out. Yeah, you know, and it's so interesting, like with this The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:43:31] Dave Reilly BAP network, like we saw yet another like hallmark example of how the messaging operates. And this comes to us from our friend Josh Niel, who's been on the show before, author of this wonderful book, Intolerant Interpretations, which is available at Annelo Pill Publishing. By the way, [0:43:51] Rebecca Hargraves please visit them at Annelo Pill Publishing. Absolutely. But anyway, Josh Niel, you know, points [0:43:56] Dave Reilly this out, right? Like when the journalists in question are reporting on the very real atrocities of an illegitimate terrorist state, it's probably a good idea to dispense with the usual red meat [0:44:04] Rebecca Hargraves chuddery. And so this is coming, you know, from Aron, Mac and Tyre, whatever, right? Yesterday, [0:44:10] Dave Reilly Israel, do we have the, these are, yeah, they wiped out all the Al Jazeera reporters left in Gaza. All of them, right? And hold on, where did that go? And so here's Aron, Mac and Tyre, you know, basically saying, you know, doing the meme of like, you think you hate journalists, but you don't hate them enough. And so now that Israel is killing journalists, the BAP network has been desensitized and primed to accept the murder of people, you know, doing their jobs, basically, uh, to expose the Zionist state. You see what I'm saying? And I was [0:44:45] Cameron M talking to Dumanab about this a few days ago, I was in a space with him. And I was talking about how, whenever Israel kills journalists, and I would begin to type about it, like my hand would hesitate. [0:44:55] Rebecca Hargraves And I'd be like, well, they are journalists. And like, what's wrong with me? I'm like, I'm like, we're not in my head. And I remember who puts it in my head. And I would get angry. It's like, I got to get me again. That's the fact network does that all the time, though, uh, by reducing sensitivities by posting these based memes, Hitler memes and all this stuff, but then they are able to subvert it, uh, under under that pretense because they're like, well, we're based. Yeah. Look at this, Hitler meme. [0:45:20] Dave Reilly And, you know, and then they also, you know, they'll go after you. And I wanted to get Marcel's take on this because I know he's talked about it a lot is there is a moral argument for what is happening right now in Israel. And the moral argument is that killing innocent women and children, no matter what color they are, no matter where they're from, no matter what their religion is, is fucking wrong. It is wrong to starve a population of people, uh, because period. I mean, like, if somebody went up to you, or maybe not, you want somebody else and you told them, [0:45:55] Rebecca Hargraves hey, you know, 13 do 50, right? And then they looked at you like, but most of the people that blacks people kill are also black, right? And we're like, yeah, but they do, it's like 50. It's like The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [0:46:04] Dave Reilly 13 doing crazy. Isn't that crazy? Isn't that mean that there's something dangerous? Like stop, stop. [0:46:07] Rebecca Hargraves You're trying to make me care about all these black victims, but I don't care. It's like, but hold on a second. I was like, shouldn't we still know that there's like this ever present threat that these people feel this way or have this lack of impulse control? It's like, no, every time you tell me this, you're just trying to get me to raise the police budget. And I don't want to care about these victims that it's like, hold on. Why don't you want to raise the police budget? Do you not want to stop crime? I was like, I just want to stop the welfare of payments. They can come in all the crimes they want. [0:46:31] Cameron M But isn't this bound sign against you? No, I don't want to hear it. Stop trying to make me care about [0:46:35] Rebecca Hargraves the black victims. It's like, wait, I hear this argument about abortion all the time, too. Yeah, like, well, most of the women that are having abortions are are killing their minority children that would be future criminals. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, full stop here. Wait, that's actually not true. I mean, [0:46:51] Dave Reilly there was a meme that just made the rounds. It's mostly white women. It's mostly white women that get the abortions. And then like black and brown women are having multiple baby daddies collecting [0:47:00] Rebecca Hargraves the welfare check. Black women have abortions that have had a super high rate of. They do, though. Responsible for the most like sequential abortions. Like black women will have if you've had a white woman will have one abortion, a black woman will have had five abortions. Yeah, that's incredible. [0:47:17] Dave Reilly But anyway, I mean, I guess it's just like, you know, when you try to make these arguments about what's going on in Israel, you get these bad people coming out at you, making fun of you say, oh, you're a third world is to you, all you care about is brown people, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, no, actually, it's like the basic Christian thing to like give a shit when a country is murdering innocent people. And I just even selfishly, even selfishly, you should be happy to get [0:47:41] Rebecca Hargraves another cudgel against someone you perceive as your enemy. Absolutely. Yeah. It's my second worst enemy in like a cold, blooded, dexter murder. I would still point it out, even if even privately, I was kind of laughing about it. I would still be like pounding my face on tape. You know, imaginative, imaginatively, a person with like a genocidal hatred of slugs. You can imagine such an entity, right? So we just really did not like Russians or Ukrainians. And then it comes out that Joseph Stalin killed, you know, I don't remember two million Ukrainians that are by starving him to death. [0:48:13] Cameron M Imagine if you were like, hey, shouldn't we bring up the fact that Joseph Stalin's like some crazy [0:48:16] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed Bolshevik mass murder is like, no, those people who are Ukrainian, they weren't based. [0:48:23] Dave Reilly And of course, so, you know, this is, this, you know, brings us back to this thing right where yesterday, Israel killed six journalists, which is basically the entire team at Al Jazeera. And at the same time, you've got BB Netanyahu coming out, attributing Israel's bad PR online to bot and the algorithm. You know, he can't possibly believe that because they're also talking about how [0:48:50] Rebecca Hargraves anti-Semitism is taking hold in America. I guess Jews do this thing where they're like, it can't [0:48:55] Dave Reilly possibly be us. So Israel's good PR is because of Indian. So we're just looking at an Indian on robot [0:49:00] Cameron M civil war. The guys over at OpenAI are basically creating the seeds of their own destruction. It's [0:49:06] Rebecca Hargraves ones of Indian programmers creating language models all together. It's just, that's the real civil war. You just want to watch on your own and not participate in it. Yeah. [0:49:17] Dave Reilly Shifting gears a little bit. I had a kind of a question for you. And that is, you know, because we talk about this a lot on on our show that like the white American ethnos is the kind of foundational thing for America. Like when you say American, at least in my mind, I hear white people. And I think most people do. At the same time, you've got foundational black Americans, right? We've got people that were here. We voted on a constitutional amendment. We made them people. But is there, are there two nations, the distinct, is there like a white nation and a black nation? Is this faulty thinking, you know, what? Yeah, I mean, I'm not African-American. [0:50:06] Rebecca Hargraves I'm Haitian and Dominican, as my name gives away. But yes, I mean, a nation is defined by blood, tongue, and soil. So people who share a race or ancestry, who share language, and people who share land. So you can imagine people who share blood and a tongue, but not a soil. These would be, I guess, a Jewish diaspora. You can imagine people who share a blood and a soil, but not a tongue, and this would be like Yugoslavia. And then you can imagine like a tongue and a soil, but not blood, and that would be like America. So America has, yeah, basically two or three nations in it. And you guys may not like the answer. But really, the only way for the two, like the only way for [0:50:47] Cameron M two groups to be one is by just straight mixing with each other. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The way [0:50:54] Rebecca Hargraves that Bavarians become Germans is by mixing with Saxons. If Bavarians insisted on the right to be part of a German Reich, but they only ever bred with Bavarians, then Germany would have two irreconcilable you know, fifth columns inside of its policy. So that's really the only way that's going to The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed happen. Now with the way it is with Blacks is Blacks tend to, as they high perform, tend to mix out anyway. So if you have two really high performing Blacks, they'll probably try to be with each other, [0:51:22] Cameron M because I'll say I'm going to keep, you know, I made it, I got my degree, I got my job, and you know, [0:51:28] Rebecca Hargraves I don't want the white man taking my money. So I'm going to find another Black woman who's like me, [0:51:31] Dave Reilly and then we'll have kids. But that kid is almost certainly going to, you know, go look at Bill Gates' [0:51:35] Rebecca Hargraves daughter. His daughter's boyfriend has like a PhD, and he's like an engineer. And I'm sure if I look, [0:51:42] Dave Reilly you know, one generation up from him, his parents are going to be ultra high performers too. So [0:51:47] Rebecca Hargraves there's sort of this problem where each generation, the Blacks that are, I don't want to use words left behind here. But the ones unmixed, you know, they get stranger and stranger names, stranger and [0:52:00] Dave Reilly stranger speech patterns, you know, they become, so to speak, more alien from white norms, but [0:52:04] Rebecca Hargraves that is what assimilation has to be. It can't really be anything else. [0:52:08] Dave Reilly Then I'm, then I'm summarily against assimilation. This cannot happen. Well, I mean, integration assimilation. This was done at the point of a gun anyway. And less Black people want to integrate with the Jewish community, in which case I do promote race mixing. Hey, well, I mean, this is, this has been, you know, hot topic for Jonathan Greenblatt over the past couple of days too. ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt announced that he is concerned [0:52:32] Rebecca Hargraves about rising intermarriage rates in the Jewish community. He is very concerned about this. [0:52:40] Dave Reilly And of course, you know, if, if, you know, we played the clip a couple of weeks ago on the show of, what was it, Muhammad Ali, you know, coming out saying, you know, black birds fly with black birds, red birds fly with red birds, you know, like you don't want your children coming up to you, being all Negro fight or whatever he said. Yeah, well, you know, whatever. But the point is that, [0:53:00] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed you know, race mixing for the, but not for me. And this is the official position of the anti-defamation league now. Good. There was a show that came out in 1972 called Bridget Love's Burning. And it was [0:53:15] Rebecca Hargraves just an interface that I just made a Jewish man and a Catholic woman. I think Bridget was Irish, [0:53:21] Cameron M yes, an Irish Catholic teacher and a Jewish cab driver. And it went for one season of perfectly popular and Jews hated it. But the Wikipedia page for the show has one of the best paragraphs of all time because I want to, can I read it? I'll pull it up. Okay, so really imagine the scene here. [0:53:37] Dave Reilly The series was controversial because of the differing face of the married characters. [0:53:41] Rebecca Hargraves Some Jewish groups charged at the series mocked the teachings of Judaism. Rabbi Wolf Kelman, executive vice president of the rabbinical assembly of America, called the show an insult to some of the most sacred values of both the Jewish and Catholic religions. Okay, to my understanding, avoiding like mixing is not like a sacred Catholic value. But it is to Jews. Now listen to this. Rabbi Mary Cahana wrote an essay on the series, orthodox rabbis met with CBS official several times. A conservative rabbi organized a boycott by advertisers and reform rabbis met with CBS staff in secret to have the show canceled. All the types of Jews. It's like they all got on the elevator together. I was like, okay, that's your floor. Okay, that's your depiction of labor on how the structure works. [0:54:33] Cameron M Oh, there's more. Rabbi Abraham Gross, president of the rabbinical alliance of orthodox rabbis and [0:54:38] Dave Reilly educators, described the show as a flagrant insult to Jews, protesting the intermarriage was strictly [0:54:42] Rebecca Hargraves forbidden under Jewish law. Threats followed. Meredith Baxter said, we had bomb threats on the show. Some guys from the Jewish defense league came to my house to say they wanted to talk to me about changing the show just to clarify. So if you look a little bit early, see Rabbi Mary Cahana wrote an essay on the series, the Jewish defense league was his Jewish right wing militia. They separated it by three sentences, but he wrote an essay and then some guys started to bond the studio. So those were like the four levels of response. No, but I actually admire this within the Jewish community. So I understand, [0:55:12] Dave Reilly I'm sympathetic to your position because I always think like what would it be like to be in the top one percent of IQ as a black person? By the way, what's your IQ? I heard someone say that it was like 141.50. Is that true? No, 138. 138. That's very high. Especially for Haitians, the average IQ there is like 65. I mean, it's you know, like being that far of an outlier within your own community must be very difficult. So I understand why you believe in the concept of assimilation and integration. [0:55:43] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed But as white people that are desperately trying to preserve our racial heritage, you must see why. I'm not here to convince you. I'm just saying what, like how nations or how tribes become nations, that's just the process. So if that does not happen, then blacks simply are a second nation inside the state. But isn't it already that way? Right. Yeah, because like like if the two groups recognize [0:56:08] Dave Reilly each other as distinct and you can just see it from you can literally see it from across, you can [0:56:13] Rebecca Hargraves literally see it from across the football field that blacks and whites are different. So for as long as that is the case, you just have two nations in the state, which is possible, especially if one group just has a secure majority and isn't hostile to the other, then you can maintain that indefinitely. It's just a thing that's happening. Right. This is sort of the problem. You know, sometimes this is why it's hard to talk about, for example, decolonizing Mexico, right? Because like the Castesos, even though there is like some cast of still white spaniards in Mexico, the premise exists in principle that there's, you know, fuzz at the border lines, right? I think Mexicans [0:56:54] Dave Reilly call the cosmic race. And this is harder to do in or it's harder to defend this way in like South Africa [0:57:01] Rebecca Hargraves or Algeria or any other places where it's like just a distinct white settler colony where they're telling the Indigene's like, you know, I'm not from here, but I'm a citizen of the state. You are from here, but you're not a citizen of the state. And my daughter won't marry your son nor my son, [0:57:17] Dave Reilly your daughter. And then when the Indigene's take power, they'll go, hey, you got to get out of here. [0:57:21] Rebecca Hargraves And they'll like, hold on a second. I mean, I mean, just like you, it's like if you were indigenous like me, then your daughter would have married my son or vice versa. You could like that or not like it, [0:57:29] Dave Reilly but it's impossible for it to be any other way. You know, actually in the case of Algeria, it's [0:57:34] Rebecca Hargraves particularly insane because not only were the French colonists, citizens of the state, the state [0:57:39] Dave Reilly they were citizen of was France. So when the Piannoirs were made to leave, you know, you see people [0:57:45] Rebecca Hargraves like Curtis Yavin or Jordan Lasker, aka Kremio, where they're like, talk about the plight of the Piannoirs, [0:57:51] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed it's like, it wasn't fair that they made those French people and Algerian Jews leave to go to France. [0:57:55] Rebecca Hargraves Like, you know, France is your citizenship and you had it written into law that the population of Algeria [0:58:01] Dave Reilly was not the same as you. So if you want separation, separations, what you're going to get? Yeah. No, there was a couple of things that came to mind and I have ADD. So they kind of like blipped all over the place. Okay. First of all, what I was going to say is that this idea of, so from a Catholic perspective, the mixing thing, like when, and they can correct me if I'm wrong, you know, my parents are coming up this week. So it's going to be a lot of fun. You can hear the [0:58:29] Rebecca Hargraves helicopter overhead, by the way, they're preparing to bomb the house. Can you hear it? I hear it. Yeah. [0:58:35] Dave Reilly Okay. Anyway, my parents, my dad was Irish, my mother was Italian. It was considered an interracial marriage back in whatever year it was 1976 that they got married. But at the same time, they were both Catholic. And so from our perspective, it is absolutely beyond the pale for a Catholic to get married to a non-Catholic. That is not allowed. It's prohibited. You're not supposed to do it. It's wrong. It's a sin. You have to get a dispensation from your local bishop, actually. What are you making a face [0:59:09] Rebecca Hargraves like that? Because I did that. I would, I forgot to tell you that my husband has just, he is going to convert. [0:59:15] Dave Reilly Oh, great. This is wonderful. We've been working on this for like, two years. [0:59:17] Rebecca Hargraves Does my other son of a Catholic can marry any other baptized person? No, no, actually not, not true. [0:59:24] Dave Reilly If you look at the... I mean, you can, but they don't recognize your marriage. If you look at the code of can and law from 1913, mixed marriages are illegal. They are not allowed. You need a dispensation from the bishop. And on the part of the non-Catholic person, they must sign paperwork attesting that they will raise the children Catholic. Otherwise, they will not give the dispensation. Now, of course, since Vatican II, the Catholic Church has become much more lax about that and they don't really care. And we've had this absolute spat of Jewish Catholic inbreeding that's been going on, which is quite problematic because then you get people that are very confused. You know, it's like one thing don't at me here, but you know, it's one thing for people of a mixed race to get married, but to have the same religion, that at least gives the child the identity of their religion to identify whereas if you have a mixed marriage with mixed religion, you have kids that grow up with an identity crisis. Am I, you know, am I Chinese? Am I white? Am I Buddhist? Am I Christian? You know, and they get really fucked up because of that, frankly. But anyway, so that was just like a quick side note that actually at the time of what year was his Bridget loves Bernie? What year was in 1972? Yeah, I mean, it would have been out on the outer limits of acceptable thought for a Catholic to marry a Jew. That's just not, that's not okay. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed Number one. Yeah. And now, I mean, and not in [1:00:50] Rebecca Hargraves Sandler movies, he bangs just because all the time. So, yeah. Well, I mean, that's also, you know, [1:00:55] Dave Reilly like Greece, right? You know, the stage play, Greece, you know, that's about a Jewish guy that corrupts the morals of a young Catholic school girl. Please tell me that's the whole lot of second. [1:01:07] Rebecca Hargraves No, will see. Yeah, that's what that was. Really? Yeah. I guess I'm not surprised. It was written, [1:01:14] Dave Reilly correct me if I'm wrong, but it was written by Jewish people and it was about corrupting the morals [1:01:17] Rebecca Hargraves of young Catholic women. Doesn't Billy Joel have a song about that too? Billy Joel has a song about [1:01:22] Dave Reilly that. Yeah, Billy Joel again. Yeah, yeah, only the good day young. Yeah, there you go. There you go. My mom hates him every time a Billy Joel song. Yeah, I hate the movie or the show Greece or whatever. Anyway, so there's that. And then there was something else about the Jewish defense league. [1:01:36] Cameron M We've got to do an Idaho history. I'm looking at the writers of Greece. And it doesn't look like [1:01:41] Rebecca Hargraves their Jewish or one of them is gay and out of AIDS. But it doesn't look like John Travolta's gay. [1:01:47] Dave Reilly No, I don't know. He's a scienceologist. That's been rumor in Hollywood for maybe I am doing something with my brain where I'm mixing Billy Joel, only the good day young with Greece. [1:01:59] Rebecca Hargraves If Greece was a Jewish side off, I would not be surprised, but I don't remember Sandy having any religious. Because they were all at a, they went to the same high school. Yeah. Yes, that is true. [1:02:12] Dave Reilly That's true. Okay, what else question? I actually asked that question. [1:02:21] Rebecca Hargraves Is there anything that you wanted to say, Marcel, before we let you go, we have Jewish [1:02:24] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed of youth super chat questions for you. By the way, if we get to $200, you're going to charge [1:02:28] Cameron M an extra effort to say the word they want to use. In my old discord server, I would charge extra [1:02:36] Rebecca Hargraves for the nitro boost. And then the nitro boost was your inward pass. That's what I called the role. [1:02:41] Dave Reilly By the way, if we get to $200 in super chats, I've got a very special surprise for blonde. [1:02:47] Rebecca Hargraves That kind of been worded differently. Anyway, I'll plug your sponsor. You guys should be reading Anelo Pills books. I mean, you guys should be reading books in general. I run a book club, The Property and Freedom Book Club. It's linked on my Twitter. It is linked in my sub-stack. I'm [1:03:03] Dave Reilly constantly shilling it. Now, the book we're doing might not be favorable to some of your audience. [1:03:09] Rebecca Hargraves Because I understand this is like a Christian podcast. And the book we're doing is Lauren Gia knows from Yahweh Desayon, which is a deconstruction of the Old Testament, which some may find unpleasant. Besides this, though, I have my right-wing reading rainbow article series, in which I go issue by issue. And I give like one main book and then six supplementary readings to really bring people to understanding like how it is we got here, how things operate. So [1:03:39] Dave Reilly that's my strong recommendation. By the way, Marcel has an excellent sub-stack. You can go to this is where you can have access to the right-wing reading rainbow. This is from Yahweh Desayon. You had some other articles that it was reading last night actually. It's really good. Gang, we conservatism. You mentioned reading. Yes. We didn't talk about that. Go ahead and have [1:04:03] Rebecca Hargraves a crack at it. Yeah, so gang, we conservatism is about this constant push to get people in the the dissident right. The dissident right to do psychedelic drugs. In the American conservative, you have people like Roger Rear, well, Roger doesn't want to protect anymore. But there's [1:04:22] Cameron M what's this guy's name? Mike Sternovich, Jack Lasovic. There are plenty of, what's this guy's name, [1:04:28] Dave Reilly Sorabamari, who are all about trying to get people to, how do I put this right? Not to do psychedelic [1:04:34] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed closer to Jesus, but they're putting out this idea that the entities that you see when you're on [1:04:39] Cameron M drugs are real. And that it's almost like a Gellerfield in 40K where if you like pray the rosary [1:04:44] Rebecca Hargraves hard enough, then you could sort of shield yourself and then take Ayahuasca and then talk to like psychic entities. And they treat this as like a thing. They have it for veterans. So AOC and Dan [1:04:58] Cameron M Krencha are seeing eyes to eye on giving ketamine and ecstasy to the troops to cure what they call [1:05:05] Rebecca Hargraves moral injury. Of course, the entire teal network is all in on the psychedelic bush. Elon Musk. Elon Musk, exactly. Joe Rogan, Padte of America, Tim Poole. What's his name? Lex Friedman, Russell Brand, Tim Ferris, obviously Tim Ferris, Robin Carhartt Harris. There's this whole think tank called the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies, which is incorporated in the United States, but as far as I can tell, conducts most of his operations in a different country. [1:05:39] Dave Reilly Actually recently they did a study on getting Israelis and Palestinians to do Ayahuasca together [1:05:45] Rebecca Hargraves and they had the Palestinians saying like, I can't just go up to a checkpoint and say, I'm a human [1:05:50] Dave Reilly being let me through. I'm a being of light let me through. So they totally secondly lobotomizes Arab, but not to worry because there's an article in the the the forward groups that call the Jewish Daily Forward about how they got this guy from identity Europa to do MDMA. Well, yeah, I've got this up. I don't have the forward article, but I've got the New York Post article. White supremacist renounces extreme beliefs after taking love drug ecstasy. There was also a paper written by the University of Chicago. I've actually got a confession to make guys that that guy was a friend of mine. Oh, really? I knew him. Yeah. He was at Charlottesville. His name starts with B. I'm not going to doxum or anything like that, but he actually came up and stayed with me for a week after this experiment. He was fucked up. They fucked with him in this experiment in a really hard way. [1:06:42] Rebecca Hargraves And you know, he was he was being like doxed and people were going around his neighborhood, [1:06:46] Dave Reilly putting up posters with his face on it. He got fired from his like, you know, a couple, you know, six figure job. And he was looking for like literally any way to like make it stop so that he could live his life. And he got approached for this study, thinking like, oh, hey, this is going to this is going to work. And they like took him into a room and fucking MK altered him and fucked him up. [1:07:09] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed In part six of the article series, I talk about MK ultra actually. Yeah. Yeah. Don't take drugs. [1:07:15] Dave Reilly Yeah. As I like drugs don't make you smart. That's the worst thing about it too. You know, when I was you know, when I was a when I was a young pop when I was just 13 years old getting into Ron Paul, [1:07:24] Rebecca Hargraves you know, I knew people like Adam Cokesh and Adam Cokes was also a big self-medicator. But Adam [1:07:29] Dave Reilly Cokes is pretty honest about the fact that he was just in Fallujah felt bad about it. So now he does drugs. He didn't say that the drugs made him smart. He was like, oh, well, I feel better. Okay, [1:07:36] Rebecca Hargraves well, obviously drugs make you feel better. That's why I take them. Now, though, they really have this, like they make you smarter, they make you more productive, you're better at coding, you're closer [1:07:44] Dave Reilly to got whatever they need to tell you to make you do drugs. It's not true. When you take drugs, it is the most depoliticizing individualistic thing you can do. You make yourself at risk to being [1:07:54] Cameron M blackmailed and becoming a fed. Any organization that will have you is inherently untrustworthy because [1:07:59] Rebecca Hargraves normal people don't want to be around you. All of your realizations on drugs are fake and you just seem weird and off-putting. Don't do psychedelic drugs. No, absolutely. It is a deliberate effort to [1:08:07] Dave Reilly de-radicalize you and make you stupid. This micro-dosing thing has really taken up speed in the scientific [1:08:12] Rebecca Hargraves community. There's just tons of research out about it. I haven't seen any strong evidence that micro-dosing [1:08:17] Dave Reilly reduces the risk of dementia or any of these other things. No, look, I don't think it's, and let me say to take it for anxiety. If you have anxiety, don't take any hallucinogenic drugs ever. Don't do it. No, no. I think most of our podcast listeners, no. The very first podcast that we ever did together was about overcoming addiction. I think everybody is pretty well aware that I used to be a pretty hardcore drug addict. I used to do heroin, cocaine, the whole nine yards, but I had an... No, you don't, congratulations. Very true. I found Jesus. I prayed the Rosary. I went to confession. You know, the Catholicism is like the 12-step program, or I should say the 12-step program is like Catholicism except without Christ. Yeah. But I guess where I was going with this is that in college, we had this professor from Harvard of The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed teaching our psychology class, Steven Wolf Foster, and he would always glowingly talk about LSD in like the 1960s and so me and my friend, his name was by the way Marcel. We got it into us to go get some window paint from the boys at MIT. They would cook it up in their labs and sell it to the kids at Berkeley, because the music kids would want to take acid. The MIT kids wanted to make money and they were industrious and had access to chemical labs [1:09:27] Rebecca Hargraves and stuff like that. Oh my god. But anyway, got some LSD, took it, and the best way that I can describe it [1:09:34] Dave Reilly to somebody, and maybe only a fraction of people will understand this, but like in a recording studio, you have a patch bag, right? And these are the inputs and outputs, and you take cables. I don't have any here. But you take cables and you make connections from, you know, line input one into the compressor and then out of the compressor into the EQ and then into the mixing desk, right? And over the course of a session, you'll make hundreds of these connections with these patch cables, and essentially doing psychedelic drugs is like letting a two-year-old go to town with these patch cables, unplugging everything, plugging goofy things into, you know, a neuron that it's not supposed to. This is where you get like the synesthesia, seeing sounds, hearing colors, all this, it just, it fucks with your brain. It is not a mind-expanding experience. It does not make you smarter. It just basically takes all of your neural pathways and the reality that you've come into contact with for your entire life, and then just like a magic marker or a magic eraser just erases all of it. And you're basically start at ground level like a two-year-old needing to rebuild your neural pathways. What a nightmare. Total nightmare. I couldn't speak English for like three days afterwards. Don't do drugs. Yeah. [1:10:55] Rebecca Hargraves Just to get it into like when people talk about MK Ultra as like a mind control program, [1:10:59] Dave Reilly mind control or really being able to implant commands and memories, that was just one of like 15 things [1:11:06] Rebecca Hargraves that Gottlie wanted to do with his espionage pharmaceuticals program. But most of it was just [1:11:13] Dave Reilly supplementing torture and interrogation with LSD. And that was a resounding success. I mean, you, people became like an open book. Anybody who thinks that MK Ultra is not useful to this [1:11:23] Rebecca Hargraves area. It's like a party drug. How's this? Like, go find something that you don't want me to know. [1:11:27] Cameron M And then you do LSD and I won't. And then we'll see if I can get that information out of you. I will. [1:11:31] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed That's what they found. And actually what they found though was like 9 out of 10 times it did, but everyone's in a while one in 10 times. The person would convince themselves that they were God and wouldn't answer any questions. Nine times out of 10. You are just an, they wouldn't even need [1:11:46] Cameron M to like lay hands on it. They would just dose you. And it would just, you wouldn't stop talking. [1:11:50] Rebecca Hargraves They would dose each other as like a prank. There's this great book called hoistler in chief by Stephen Kinzer. And he goes into like how the program built up from first, it was called Bluebird. That was [1:12:02] Dave Reilly just your basic interrogation of like post-World War II detainees. Then Artichoke. And that was [1:12:07] Rebecca Hargraves like the broader sort of torture program. And there they were into like electro shock therapy and other things. Once they realized like, oh drugs are the thing. Then MK Ultra became that program. And everybody sort of dines out. I was like, oh, they wanted to mind control people. They want to mind control people. That's, it's like so not true. It would be like, I think I use it in the first start in my, in part six of gangred servicemen. Imagine if like the, if the atomic bombing was classified with the Manhattan Project wasn't. So everybody thought the Manhattan Project was about like inventing microwaves or something. And then you say, no, no, no, it's the two big ass explosions in Japan. That was in the atomic weapon they worked on at the Manhattan Project. And everybody's like with the Manhattan Project was microwaves. It was like, do you think that everybody there got like metals and awards and early retirements because they made microwaves? Yeah, people, [1:12:57] Cameron M people believe it. Right. My wife's grandfather, by the way, got an award or got a letter. [1:13:04] Dave Reilly He worked in the Manhattan Project. Yeah. Get your last minute super chats in. There was something else that just came to my, oh, about MK Ultra. I was talking about this yesterday at the range. You know, I, I really think that when it boils down to it, MK Ultra was about anti-semitism and creating a Holocaust personality in people, right? Like, if you talk to a boomer, you can have it. Ryan Dawson has a site. Yeah. You can talk to a boomer. You can have like a nice conversation with them. But then the moment that you bring up something that contradicts the World War II narrative, they immediately put it into like a trauma response, a trauma personality. And they completely lose reason. And it's like, you know, they almost look like a different person. And I think that there was, you know, the implementation of this coming out of the research from MK Ultra, where in the 1960s and 70s, you've got people doing these duck and cover drills in class. Right. Yeah. They're being traumatized. Like that would matter. And then they're being taught about the Holocaust, they're being taught about Hitler and all this, this other stuff. And it just, it strikes me as, you know, that plus the whole like, the Jack Ruby thing, right? Like, was it Sydney Gottlieber? It was a Jolly West, a Jolly West that went and visited Jack Ruby in prison. Yeah. And spend like an hour with him. And then for the rest of his life, which was only a couple of months after that, he was in his cell screaming that there was a second Holocaust happening in America, blah, blah, blah. And he completely lost his mind. So anyway. Serhan Serhan was also clearly dosed on something when they arrested him. [1:14:48] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed Yes. Although I wouldn't say the MK, like the Holocaust and MK Ultra are together. [1:14:53] Dave Reilly I would say that what we think of as a Holocaust entry is more from, you know, the sort of the Edward [1:14:57] Rebecca Hargraves Brunei's Freudian psychoanalysis, that branch. Like MK Ultra was specifically about using drugs to [1:15:03] Dave Reilly supplement torture to get information from people. Again, like the mind control thing is, you know, can we torture you and then make you do something? There's actually one case where the Israelis [1:15:14] Rebecca Hargraves kidnapped this one Palestinian. They tried to hypnotize him into killing Asura Arifat. And when they let the guy out, like the guy got out of his real custody, he like, he did like a, you know, [1:15:29] Dave Reilly when he's his interrogator, and then he immediately turned himself into Jordanian police and said [1:15:33] Cameron M the Israelis tried to hypnotize the killing Asura Arifat. And I don't know if that's going to work. [1:15:37] Rebecca Hargraves Like he wasn't sure if he was hypnotized or not. He's like, they made me sit through it. So the Israelis were definitely also running a parallel program of dragging each other. And you can read about that in a book called Rise and Kill First by Ronan Bergman. [1:15:51] Dave Reilly Yeah, that's a great book. All right, we're going to start getting to these super chats in just a [1:15:55] Rebecca Hargraves second. Let me see. Oh, I was going to remind you to check entropy as well. Oh, yes, we do have some on [1:16:01] Cameron M entropy. Let me just see over here. Oh, what was that? That's really good. What was that? Did you hear [1:16:12] Dave Reilly something? Sorry about that. Anyway, you're so mean. Right heart sent five dollars. Interesting choice of guest. Well, we try to choose interesting people to talk with. [1:16:25] Rebecca Hargraves I'm an interesting guest. Okay. You can't, nobody in your audience can deny that this was an The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [1:16:30] Cameron M interesting video. Yeah, they can't sit here and be like, this is boring. I didn't learn anything. [1:16:36] Dave Reilly This was lame. You can all virtue say, do you feel virtuous right now? Is that how you feel watching those rituals? I don't feel very virtuous. Me neither. I just, you know, I want to find a way that America is not fucked anymore and we're going to need to work with other people. [1:16:56] Rebecca Hargraves I'm beyond the America project. I don't care about that at all. I totally divested from America as a concept boycott divest sanctioned America. That's right. Could be Ryan Hart sent five dollars. He's right. I can't bear the presence of blacks any longer. Ryan Hart. No 50 dollars. I can bear your presence. Okay. Sealing birds sent five dollars. Sure. That's why you play the video. Yeah, absolutely. [1:17:22] Dave Reilly Booktracks on that. I can't hear it. Booktrack group said five dollars. Marcel, are you against gays? Have read book of Romans and Acts. I read a little of your substack, Richard Dawkins, [1:17:36] Rebecca Hargraves once Britain to be Christian nation thoughts. Okay, so as to what I think it gays, I'll just say you should all read a book by Scott Howard at Antelope Hill called the Transgender Industrial Complex. Yes. That's my thoughts on gays. Go read that book. As for Richard Dawkins wanting these things to [1:17:55] Dave Reilly be Christian, I mean, that's sort of a big problem that new atheism. So Dawkins, Hitchens, Sam Harris, [1:18:03] Rebecca Hargraves some of the third guy, I don't remember Daniel Dennett, I don't remember. These guys were all basically Neocons. So that whole thing, it was sort of like the bap of today, where once George Bush was stakedly out of office, I mean, these guys were atheists and they were like, we're atheists. We love Israel. What we're going to do is while Bush is president, we're going to undermine Christianity [1:18:27] Dave Reilly and these, you know, these yoga evangelicals who we hate, even though they support or we support. [1:18:33] Rebecca Hargraves But we're not going to attack Muslims for now because George Bush wore on terror or really just George Bush. Once Bush is out, once Obama's in, then all of us at once, they're basically going to shift gears and do counter G-Hod, Rafa and rape gangs and all these other sorts of things. So [1:18:50] Dave Reilly new atheism was for a great deal of Neocons. There's actually a great story where Chris [1:18:55] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed for Hitchens got beat up in Lebanon because he saw a flyer for the SSNP and he was like, oh my god, an evil Hezbollah, like Nazi Hezbollah? How's that for your position? You know, Nazi Hezbollah and he like ripped down one of their posters, but he was in like a, like, what are these Greek orthodox [1:19:12] Cameron M people? Melkites, right? Yeah, yeah, it was like, it was a Greek Christian neighborhood in Beirut [1:19:18] Rebecca Hargraves and all of those guys are like SSNP, basically fascists and he tried to beat him up. He fled into like a taxi and we asked the taxi to drive him. The taxi driver was like, why are you running? And he's like, I ripped out an SSNP flyer and the taxi driver like looked at like street he was on and just like got out of the cup. Yeah, see you. Welcome to a speak. Okay, interesting. And we're just [1:19:40] Dave Reilly having an issue with one of our super chat things. And then a minute, okay, yes. And we did plug this Antelope hill publishing, transgender industrial complex, good book, get it. I need to put new pads [1:19:52] Rebecca Hargraves on the back of these chairs. Anonymous sent $5. The people you associate with reflects your [1:19:57] Dave Reilly true values. I don't see why you're upset over the Israel war when they're literally following Deuteronomy's instructions. Read the Old Testament sometime and accept that's what they've always done [1:20:05] Rebecca Hargraves forever. I agree. Correct. From their perspective, from their perspective, from their flawed [1:20:15] Dave Reilly perspective. And I know you're a materialist. You're not a Christian. You know, but we view these things as metaphorical, right? Like there's, in the Psalms, there's the one about, you know, take your little ones and dash their heads out upon the stone. We read that and view it as take your little sins and rip them out and dash their heads against the stone. Become more virtuous. Get rid of your sins when they're small. The Jews are literally going around like the Ukrainian airports, picking up children and throwing them, you know, headfirst into the ground. So, you know, this, of course, is a comment coming from a Jew. So anyway, book, book track grooves sent $5. What type of aristocrats do we need to strive for the right? Have you talked to Corey J. Moller? Okay. Come on. Answer this or I assume you are because we had him long ago. Yeah. [1:21:07] Rebecca Hargraves This is for you. America doesn't have aristocrats. Okay. America has scholars. We have merchants and we have managers. That's those are your elite classes. People who make and sell things, [1:21:19] Dave Reilly people who make and sell information, and then people who manage the production of the things that [1:21:23] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed people make and sell. There are no aristocrats. America stopped having aristocrats in 1865. That was the end of it. Go find that painting of Sherman burning down Atlanta. That's the end of the American [1:21:32] Cameron M aristocracy. Like every aristocratic family in the, in, in, in the Western world. So she understand [1:21:38] Rebecca Hargraves these are the descendants of basically, um, step riders who maintain their warrior class, who maintain literally, I literally a cavalier, a cavalry lifestyle, and that bloodline, persists, and those practices persist. These people are martial by nature, and everything they do, all their breeding practices are built to preserve that martial heritage and those martial genes. Because when you live in a sedentary agrarian society, you are going to become smaller, weaker, more patient, more cooperative, and all the aristocrats are there to fight against that tide. [1:22:12] Dave Reilly They don't know that that's what they're doing, but that's what they're doing. Okay. In the West, in Europe, World War One ended that. Really, frankly, Napoleon ended that. What you have now are people [1:22:23] Rebecca Hargraves who are like hyperagrarians. They specialize in the production distribution of resources. They create wealth. They are educated. They invest highly in their children. You can't from that population of people who basically who think that war is like, they who think of only material effectively, for in a bourgeois republic, war is either something that disrupts productivity or something that disrupts productivity where you can make money off of it anyway. That is the elite interest in warfare. [1:22:55] Dave Reilly We have a citizen republic where we have a citizen soldiery, the people that are fighting and dying [1:23:01] Rebecca Hargraves and generating JD pants. I guess JD pants is like an aristocrat, but again, he comes from what? Like he's essentially from sharecroppers, probably minors, probably, I mean, everything from children, but from coal miners, right? So there is no regenerating an aristocracy. The aristocracy is historically contingent phenomenon. So you're not getting that back. Every person, you know, somebody who's saying that bear and trumps an aristocrat, let me see if I can find that. [1:23:29] Dave Reilly I mean, while you're looking for that, I mean, I will say that the closest thing to an aristocracy that we kind of have in this country is basically CIA NEPO babies. Yeah, Tucker Carlson, Peter Tio, the Yoram Hazoni crowd. Like, basically, like, if you got money from the CIA as it was starting up, like, then your children and their children, like, this is, I also would argue, Hollywood elite, and that kind of sort of, but they fall off. They fall off every generation. There's the only thing that has perdoor generation and generation has been this connection to OSS CIA, as we have seen with the Nick Puentes stuff. Well, let's look at Baron from the aristocrat. [1:24:11] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed So Baron Trump's father is a merchant. His father's father is a merchant. His father's mother is a farmer. His mother is a color ploy, the accordion. His mother's father is a merchant. And his mother's mother is [1:24:26] Dave Reilly an artisan. Okay. Baron Trump is a merchant, who is, who is what? He is elite, but he is not an [1:24:33] Cameron M aristocrat. Okay. You know, these Prussian Junkers that you're thinking of first of all, they were parasites and traders anyway, but these Prussian Junkers, you're imagining you can't get them [1:24:41] Rebecca Hargraves back. They were an anachronistic holdover of like a thousand year bygone age. You can't have them anymore. Yeah. Well, I agree, but you know, it's disappointing to hear. Yeah. I mean, like if we're ever [1:24:54] Dave Reilly going to have any kind of aristocracy, it's going to be something that like comes from, I think, your local family, locally, like, you know, you can think of thinking of like back in Pennsylvania, where my parents lived, Bloomsburg. There was a guy named Harry McGee, Harry El McGee, I think he has a Wikipedia even. And he was basically like, you know, in a way, the Dwayne Haggiton of Cortalane. And he made this carpet company. They sold their carpets to Ford. They employed everybody. He gave big, philanthropic donations to the town, bought them their fair park and all this stuff, you know, and everybody loved them. And you'd ride around town and pin catalax and he would bang a bunch of, you know, women or women. But you know, his legacy is effectively gone. Yeah. McGee Reader, his company doesn't exist anymore. It's been sold to some Swedish company. The house that he lived in, [1:25:48] Rebecca Hargraves and built down by the fairgrounds got torn down. Oh man. It's over, you know, it's over. So I mean, [1:25:53] Dave Reilly it's like in America, you kind of get these like flash in the pan things and then they're gone. Like even like, look at the Ford's, like, Henry Ford, the third sucks. Yeah. So anyway, that's the other [1:26:04] Rebecca Hargraves here. Can I rail against the aristocracy for another minute? Yeah, go ahead. Okay. So if you read Jarvin's formalist manifesto, because a lot of this aristocracy talk is down to the manor X. If you read the formalist manifesto, it's the first paper that's on not gray mirror, unqualified reservations. His idea of an aristocrat is not even like sword nobility. And it's not what, like, some like Hanseman Hoppa would say. So originally, an aristocrat is basically just sword nobility that breeds well. Then Hoppa in democracy, the god that failed, had the natural aristocrat. And he was imagining a sort of prototypical, you're in a society, you need to solve disputes, and you're looking for somebody who's rich enough and smart enough that he's not really interested in like any outcome of the dispute. He just wants things done right. And so the natural aristocrat is the person who's wise enough and station enough that you can ask him to solve a problem for you when he'll do it. That's a natural aristocrat. Jarvin does a step further, and by which I mean, like far back into the ditch, where for him, the aristocracy, the natural elites are just the people that control America now, and they waste time talking about democracy. He explicitly gives us the example, the editorial board of the New York Times, which is the Salzburger family. And he says, The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [1:27:16] Dave Reilly if the editorial board of the New York Times agreed with my worldview, then it would be implemented. [1:27:20] Cameron M Therefore, they should receive shares in America. So what Jarvin is promising, when he talks about [1:27:25] Dave Reilly aristocracy, is taking the same people who, let me tell you, merchant, merchant, merchant, merchant, [1:27:29] Rebecca Hargraves merchant, merchant. And he says those guys should just have shares in America and stop asking you rubs what to be done with the government. They're going to pick an absolute monarch, a CEO leader, [1:27:40] Dave Reilly and Jarvin's going to whisper in his ear. It's basically like the gremot worm tongue philosophy [1:27:45] Rebecca Hargraves of why Rohan should have an absolute monarchy, and Aragorn should shut the hell up and stop talking about like no BS oblige. Jarvin's such an insidious character. I worry that he's getting favor in the far right, which he clearly is. I don't know. I think a lot of people, secularists, they find his message [1:28:06] Dave Reilly appealing. Yeah, it might be, it might be sad. Book track groups and $5, Marshall, you should, Marshall, wow, Marcel, you should go on the PKA. Now, sing a song like James Brown, David, now you need to get Dr. David Wood, an expert on how bad Islam is bad. Who's David? What's the PKA? I don't know. I do. And somebody Google this chat. What is PKA? David Wood. Why do I know that name? [1:28:36] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, PKA. David Wood, I know that. He's like, I don't want to say this to Dealer. He says he was a psychopath [1:28:44] Dave Reilly who was in prison and became a Christian and he's like, not a psychopath anymore or something. That's his lore. That's what he says. And he recently did a debate with this guy, the Muslim skeptic, [1:28:54] Rebecca Hargraves Daniel Hukikuju. Now, Daniel Hukikuju has a fantastic documentary on Wahabism. So, when you think about this al-Qaeda ideology, this idea of killing infertiles, Daniel has a three hour take down. It's a shame this video came out now in 2025. So, it's come out like 20 years ago. [1:29:13] Dave Reilly Because he just goes into how Wahabism is basically an ideology custom made for Muslims to spend time The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [1:29:19] Rebecca Hargraves like being a menace of society, including to other Muslims. They basically came up with this novel innovation. Okay, let's say, let's ask you, imagine if somebody told you, you guys are kind of [1:29:29] Cameron M like, imagine if somebody told you, first of all, that anybody who prays to Mary to talk to Jesus [1:29:37] Rebecca Hargraves for you, that that person is not a Christian, right? Like by doing that, you're engaging an [1:29:42] Dave Reilly ideology, you're out of control of Christianity. And then imagine they said, now, if you disagree, [1:29:48] Rebecca Hargraves that means you are also out of the fold of Christianity. If you don't agree with my ex-communication, [1:29:52] Dave Reilly you were also excommunicated. You're describing evangelicals. And it carries all the way out. [1:29:58] Cameron M So it allows the Wahabists to basically declare everybody, every member of the human race to be some kind of apostate or infidel, including any Muslim they slightly disagree with. Because all they [1:30:09] Dave Reilly got to find is like, if that Muslim believes that Muhammad can talk to a law for them, then they're [1:30:14] Rebecca Hargraves not Muslim anymore, so they can kill them. Wow. Yeah, I mean, you're basically describing [1:30:19] Dave Reilly evangelical Christianity at that point. But yeah, it comes as a single. And it's funny because evangelical Christianity and Wahabism both have something in common, which is that they were both basically ideologies created by Jews to disrupt and get rid of any kind of unity in the way for Israel to become a new world empire type thing. Yeah. Also, P.K.A. is a psychedelic, I think. [1:30:43] Rebecca Hargraves No, it's the measure of acid strength. Oh, okay. Like how strong? [1:30:50] Dave Reilly Don't know how that relates. But why should be on P.K.A. then? Yo, Jimbo Rockford sent $10. I love when you all have controversial guests, the spurging from the purists always cracks me up. Yes, that's why we do this. [1:31:04] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed Listen, your guests, I don't hate your guests. Your guests can feel however they want. They just, they can call me whatever they want, as long as they read my articles. That's fine. [1:31:11] Dave Reilly Yeah, I was going to say the next black guest that we're going to have is going to be [1:31:15] Rebecca Hargraves Iochamathi. Okay, don't make them feel like a token here. No, he's not. It's funny. We had [1:31:19] Dave Reilly basil. We have Marcel now. Then we're going to get, because Marcel, you're not really like a militant ethno nationalist, right? Like you're not like, oh, no, not real. Right, right. So Iochamathi is a militant black nationalist. And I feel like that's an interesting perspective. I got to spend some time with him last summer. And you know, he doesn't like white people, but he hates Jews more. So it's really interesting. Anyway, SS sent $10 over on entropy. And it's working today. Angle eugenicists executed reverse eugenics programs. The trans stuff sterilizes borderline people. The family in general was attacked with blacks seriously targeted. The bankers were planning to just move to China, but the Chinese backed out of the deal. So the US is being used to kill China now. That's an interesting day. I don't necessarily disagree with it. Large, [1:32:11] Rebecca Hargraves loud black woman sent $5. Watch your purse blonde. He's going to steal it through the screen. [1:32:18] Dave Reilly I'm very concerned. We also had a couple of other superchats. user accounts and $3 on entropy. For the Italian guy, please explain how I can dollar cost average into BTC. I used to have direct deposit set up on coinbase, but they recently took it away. I would love to set it and forget it. He also sent another $3. The astrophocus assembly only allows heterosexual white non-missagenators [1:32:41] Rebecca Hargraves to join and they must all pass background checks. I'm not aware of any other churches that are so strict thoughts. I don't know. We'll see how it works out. And then I'll make a determination. Yeah, I don't know about how stringent these qualifications should be. They don't have to have like, I don't want to have like a spin off one that's being totally [1:33:01] Dave Reilly charged. Oh, yeah, yeah. There's this video clip that I just like, I can't seem to find, but it's out there. And it was old state mark from the old state saloon, like interviewing an anti-pride protester. So like, there was an anti-pride protest going on. And then this guy comes up [1:33:17] Rebecca Hargraves to protest the protest. Fucking America. Only, only in America. But anyway, so they start talking. And [1:33:24] Dave Reilly he's like, oh, so what religion are you? And he goes and he pulls out the Thor's hammer. Oh, right. You're fucking gay. Like, geez, what is going on here? So anyway, okay, use a recount for the Italian guy. If you want a dollar cost average in a Bitcoin, use, don't use The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [1:33:39] Rebecca Hargraves Coinbase. Fuck Coinbase. We want Coinbase to die. Coinbase sucks. They engage in shit coins. Don't do that. Go to river.com. You can do that on our website, the backlash.net. And then in the upper [1:33:52] Dave Reilly right hand corner, you can go to affiliate links and click the bite Bitcoin button. That takes you to river. You can do it much easier there. And they don't engage in shit coinery. Anyway, [1:34:00] Rebecca Hargraves that's it. That's it for our super chats. We're all caught up. Thank you so much. Where can people find you? So that's way to find me is on Twitter. So it should be in the show notes, I think. But it's [1:34:13] Dave Reilly an energy in black, just like that. And any long form content I do, unless I get it published [1:34:18] Rebecca Hargraves somewhere else, but the most part you should expect to see on my sub stack, which is my pinned tweet [1:34:23] Dave Reilly always. And everybody should, or at least those interests, of course, those interests should join [1:34:28] Rebecca Hargraves my book club, which is linked at the top of my sub stack. You should also go to at the underscore [1:34:35] Dave Reilly pfbc. And that'll be the property freedom book club. Join the discord. We're going to vet you to make [1:34:40] Rebecca Hargraves sure that I mean, if you're listening to this show, you should be, yeah, you should probably be fine. If you listen to this show, but, you know, get to that. We start our new book. A week from now, I do believe I got a, there's like a rom Paul event this coming weekend. So I'm not going to, [1:34:56] Dave Reilly we're not going to do it. Yeah, it was just birthday, wasn't it? Well, yeah, there was that, but now there's like the rom Paul conference in in dollars for India. Okay. Jim Jashis is going to be there. [1:35:08] Rebecca Hargraves Karen Creek House is going to be there. A lot of good people are going to be there. Very good. Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much for joining us. That was such a fascinating discussion. We hope to talk to you soon, Marcel. I think we did enough of an antelope hill. [1:35:22] Dave Reilly Yes, we did. I will give them another, I'll give them another shout out that where's my cursor? The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [1:35:26] Rebecca Hargraves I can't find my cursor there. I don't know, buddy. Okay. Let's see here. Hold on. This is what I need to get a bigger TV screen. There we go. Okay, we're good. Yes, we do need to give shout outs to our [1:35:40] Dave Reilly amazing sponsors. Antelope Hill publishing, fighting to keep history alive against the regime of anti-white censorship. We've talked about them a lot. I'm not going to read the whole thing. Then we're probably going to get dinged. They're going to be like, we're not paying for that. But please go check them out. They've got a lot of really interesting books. One new one from David Irving that's going to be coming out here. Nuremberg The Last Battle. This is it on the screen. Great book. Unfortunately, David Irving is too old to do interviews anymore. [1:36:09] Rebecca Hargraves So they can't have a mom, which is kind of a bummer. They also have fell for it again awards. [1:36:15] Dave Reilly So if you would like to be cool like us, you can get, don't know. You can get one of these [1:36:21] Rebecca Hargraves fell for it again awards. Marcel has two of them. We also have to thank our friends at [1:36:30] Dave Reilly North Island Hotel O'Company. If you are sick and tired of skincare products that are made with chemicals, you can't pronounce North Island Hotel O'Company. It might be for you. They keep it simple with grass-fed tallow time-tested ingredients and zero junk. Their soaps, bombs, and lip balm are packed with bioavailable nutrients. Your skin actually needs no fillers, no endocrine disruptors, just rugged, reliable skin care that works. Stitch this synthetic garbage and switch to North Island Hotel O'Company. Get yours at IdahoTallow.com. Also, we have to give a large shout out to our friends at Atlas Bullion. Is it working? Maybe my internet's getting all messed up. [1:37:11] Rebecca Hargraves AtlasBullion.com slash backlash. You can go there and buy golden silver. You can. [1:37:18] Dave Reilly Allegedly. Allegedly. It is not working on my laptop for some reason. [1:37:22] Rebecca Hargraves Accessibility short cuts. What the fuck? What the hell is going on? Anyway, AtlasBullion.com Use the tab key to navigate and press space to toggle in auction. What's going on? I don't know. We better wrap this up. Holy shit, my computer is revolting against me. [1:37:41] Dave Reilly Also, just a couple of other brief things that I wanted to mention before the show was over. We did mention that today is the eighth anniversary of Charlottesville. So please pray for all of the people that are still being persecuted by liberals because of Charlottesville. James Fields. James Fields is still in jail for another 400 million years or whatever the case may be. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed [1:38:08] Rebecca Hargraves But today also is the seven-year anniversary of SkyKing. You might remember the young white man [1:38:15] Dave Reilly who hijacked a plane at Seattle Airport and took it around for some flights. Yes. SkyKing. Never forget. SkyKing. It was just a joy. He didn't do anything. He landed it perfectly, right? Yeah, he did. Pretty amazing. So God rest his soul. What else did we have? That was the other thing I wanted to mention. So Merchup date. Merchup date. I've been doing some research and almost every single right-wing content creator on the internet now. They're all using one of two services. Printful or printify. Those are the two primary, you know, whatever you want to call it. Merchup. Merch producers. They do the t-shirt printing on demand and all of this kind of stuff. Well, I did some digging into them and as it turns out, [1:39:15] Rebecca Hargraves they donate large sums of money to Baltic pride. What? Yes. They send profits from selling Hitler [1:39:24] Dave Reilly t-shirts to Latvia for an LGBTQ plus. No deal. So I feel morally not okay using them [1:39:38] Rebecca Hargraves for our Merch. But I do have some stuff I want to show everybody real quick. We've got some [1:39:47] Dave Reilly Merch kind of like waiting in the wings that we haven't launched yet and I wanted some opinions. Whether or not this would be a good idea or not. So these are the kinds of things that I'm thinking about. A backlash mug with the backlash on it. How about a t-shirt, the throwback Randy Weaver, just say no to Zog. Love it. Three-quarter sleeve, a hoodie, you know, and they say the backlash on the back. Also t-shirts that just say the backlash, right? I mean, do we like these? How about this one? Faith, family, folk. I like these. Right? I mean, I think that this is a good idea. But we can't, we can't do it with printify. I feel morally culpable for funding pride if we were to do that. So I'm not sure if we're going to wind up doing something where it's like a pre-order. And we'll see what kind of demand is out there and then kind of gauge our response to that. But, you know, this is clearly a problem as far as procuring merch goes. So we're going to solve this problem, maybe even make a company to do this for other people. I think Devon Stack is having some [1:41:03] Rebecca Hargraves issues. We also have new laws in Idaho that prevent banks from debanking you because of political [1:41:11] Dave Reilly ideology. So we should put that to the test. We should put our attorney general to work for us and see if they really mean it. Yeah, it really works because, you know, I know Nick Fuentes is having problems with merch. But I mean, hey, what if there was a right-wing based merch company in Idaho that could print whatever you want and sell it. And there's nothing anybody can do about it, you know, because the legislation that we have on the books is not just banking. It's also payment processing. Yes, so indeed. This is some of the stuff that we are engaging in. I know it's you guys just do a talk show. You're not really doing anything. Well, actually we are. We're trying and we're working on it. We're going to build something great here. So that's all we've got. Did you do Tallow? We did Tallow. Oh, okay. Wow. The Backlash - Episode 64 — Inside The Great Satan_ Zionism, Empire & The Fight For America w_Marcel Dumas_transcribed The only thing that we didn't really do is Antelope or [1:42:02] Rebecca Hargraves Atlas Bullion. But they're websites down. Sorry, Ken. I don't understand why they're websites down. [1:42:07] Dave Reilly Let me just check. It might be us. It could be us. It could be my brave browser. [1:42:12] Rebecca Hargraves Thank you so much for joining us today. You guys. I thought that was a really interesting guest. I enjoyed talking to them. I know you guys are upset about this. That's fine. It's okay. We'll be back on Wednesday. We have a great show prepped for Wednesday. We're going to probably talk Nick Fuentes [1:42:27] Dave Reilly part two stream. There we go. Sorry, Kenzie. It must have just been my brave browser. Go to AtlasBullion.com, get golden silver. It can't be debased by the Fed. It can't be debased by runaway money printing. And if you want to save money for your children and your children's children, you don't want to be doing that in the US dollar. So go to AtlasBullion.com slash back lash and get signed up for a gold or silver subscription. As of right now, I actually think that getting signed up for a silver subscription would probably be the best way for your buck. Thank you for your [1:43:01] Rebecca Hargraves buck. Yep. Because the gold silver ratio is so far lopsided. And the premiums on silver is [1:43:08] Dave Reilly a lot lower. You can get a lot more of the stuff than you can. Yeah. So get some silver. Go to [1:43:14] Rebecca Hargraves AtlasBullion.com. Thank you, Atlas. And all of our sponsors, you can find us on X at real back lash or find all of our links on our website. Where to sub where to donate. Keep this show alive at the back lash dot net. Thank you so much. And we will see you on Wednesday.