Episode 93 — Multipolarity & the End of American Hegemony w/Constantin von Hoffmeister

Episode 93 Transcript: Episode 93 — Mul6polarity & the End of American Hegemony w_Constan6n von Hoffmeister.mp4 [00:01:00.000] Dave Reilly: You You You [00:02:30.000] Guest: You You You [00:02:59.000] Rebecca Hargraves: Welcome to the backlash I am your host Rebecca Harger is joined as always by mr. Dave Riley welcome Dave [00:03:04.840] Dave Reilly: Hello, welcome welcome to myself [00:03:07.840] Rebecca Hargraves: You can @ind us over on X at real backlash our website the backlash net support us on subscribe star comm slash the backlash I've heard that we're gonna have some exclusive content over there soon and Patreon comm slash the backlash and your super chats that will be read live at the end of our show right here to my youtube channel or At the backlash net slash super chat sub to us on youtube. That's at real backlash Rumble backlash podcast Instagram real dot backlash tick tock at backlash pot all of our links are the backlash net Slash subscribe. Thank you so much for joining us today a big thanks to our sponsors above-time coffee roasters Those are small hand crafted batches of delicious coffee Idaho tallow that is skincare without endocrine disruptors and antelope hill white positive Publisher do we get all of that out of the way? I think we did Without further ado our guest today Konstantin von Hofmeister. He's a German author poet translator editor founder of multipolar press and leading proponent of Euro Siberia a vision of a sovereign European Russian Civilizational block welcome. Thank you so much for joining us today [00:04:19.220] Cameron M: Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it [00:04:22.100] Rebecca Hargraves: Let's get right into it. So you're German, but you have lived in Russia and the US How has this led to your holistic approach to? conceptualizing world affairs and your understanding of Multi-polarity which you've written about extensively on your sub-stack you've written a book called multi-polarity if you could give us a little introduction to your background That'd be wonderful [00:04:47.500] Cameron M: Why crop in Germany until I was 15 then I moved to the United States [00:04:51.020] Dave Reilly: I went to high school in Flagstaff, Arizona For two years after that I studied in New Hampshire for a year and then I lived in New Orleans for seven years [00:04:59.980] Guest: studying [00:05:03.780] Dave Reilly: Literature and political science and while I was at the University of New Orleans I got in touch with a lot of like American nationalist types and Sort of got interested in the nationalist scene because I thought the topic of identity was paramount [00:05:22.580] Cameron M: Identity meaning ethnic heritage basically Episode 93 [00:05:26.420] Dave Reilly: Because ethnicity is basically what builds the culture so cultures downstream from ethnicity and This was sort of my mindset when I lived in New Orleans and Well, I guess it was like the late 90s early 2000s and I spent a lot of time in the library University library because I didn't have a computer at home doing research on this particular topic and I came across a website. It was called the European American Student Union [00:06:00.340] Guest: run by [00:06:02.140] Dave Reilly: perfectus it's a pseudonym and I contacted the guy who ran the website because I found the pan European approach very interesting because I had really never Heard of this approach before basically the idea that Europeans are one large family and The nations while valid constructs at the same time arti@icial dividers and we should focus on What unites Europeans rather than what divides them so we should reject historical [00:06:41.260] Guest: Chauvinism and [00:06:42.740] Dave Reilly: revanchism so to speak like I for example a lot of German nationalists today they want to [00:06:49.180] Cameron M: Redraw the borders they say for example like Poland stole some territory and we want it back and This approach is very silly and completely counterproductive because you can go back [00:07:01.980] Dave Reilly: Even further and you can always @ind some sort of historical claim to sort of retake some territory so it would never end basically just have to reach a point where you accept the reality as it is and accept the fact that these things happened due to historical circumstances and now we should focus on our commonality and try to work together to overcome sort of the The challenges that we as Europeans face so in New Orleans when I discovered his website the European American Students Union [00:07:38.540] Cameron M: It was run by an American [00:07:40.420] Dave Reilly: Who now lives in the Czech Republic in Prague, but he basically outlined the same he said that basically like white Americans and Europeans are part of the same family and white Americans should focus on the European heritage and [00:07:57.060] Rebecca Hargraves: the brotherhood that they share with the European brethren so to speak and [00:08:04.220] Dave Reilly: You know like that has like articles about the Bellamy salute that they had in the United States back then And Francis Parker Yorkie in Perium all that stuff, you know, I know you mentioned Yorkie I actually I was just watched the at the backlash episode with Keith Woods earlier today and [00:08:20.900] Guest: When you mentioned Yorkie Episode 93 [00:08:23.300] Dave Reilly: Anyway, so all of this was quite new to me and I became very interested in it and then also became friends with Norman Lowell. He's a The founder of Imperial Europe also wrote a book of the same name [00:08:36.900] Guest: Which you can so order today on [00:08:42.260] Dave Reilly: Arktas on the arktas website and [00:08:45.020] Cameron M: he lives in Malta and [00:08:47.020] Dave Reilly: He also has this idea like of a great European Empire from Dublin to Vladivostok, so to speak [00:08:53.940] Cameron M: There it is very nice. Well, I highly recommend the book. I even wrote the introduction to it [00:08:58.900] Dave Reilly: Well 20 years ago, so very nice our motherland in Perium, Europe. I think was a title of my introduction [00:09:06.300] Guest: and anyway, so I got in touch with a with a [00:09:11.340] Dave Reilly: Webmaster of his website European American Students Union became very good friends. I still know and I'm still a very good friend of mine today Like over 20 years later almost 25 years actually I visited him many times in the US and Prague when the lots of trips together so we shared this vision basically and he triggered it in me and Because of this I did a lot of research at the University Library and I came across [00:09:37.500] Rebecca Hargraves: Alexander Dugin and his [00:09:40.180] Dave Reilly: Eurasianist project and national Bolshevism which sort of tied into the [00:09:47.260] Guest: continental aspect of [00:09:49.780] Dave Reilly: Greater Europe and it became very interested in the idea that Russia is an integral part of Europe because I think a lot of Nationalists especially from the West United States or Western Europe They sort of acknowledged that Russia is a part of Europe somewhat, but they never really fully acknowledged it I mean that that's the sense I get they always view it as something apart sort of and I guess Yaki and Jean-Tierry the Belgian thinker and various other [00:10:22.380] Guest: intellectuals they [00:10:25.140] Cameron M: totally rejected this approach of [00:10:28.420] Guest: viewing Russia as [00:10:30.860] Dave Reilly: Outside of Europe they said it's an integral part of Europe and Europe ends and on in Lisbon I'm sorry it starts in Lisbon and ends at the shore of the Paci@ic in Russia basically and I was really fascinated by this idea that because Russia is massive of course I mean it has like 11 time zones, right? I mean it's truly it's truly big and I Episode 93 became really interested in his Eurasianist philosophy and I was about to graduate anyway I got my masters in political science at the University of New Orleans and Shortly before I graduated I already I've made the decision to move to Moscow because I already had some friends there to Take a crash course in the Russian language and try to get in touch with Dougie and the Eurasianist basically sort of like a Network well, that's exactly what I did right so so I left the United States. I moved to Moscow Took like a three-month Russian language course. I had an American friend in Moscow He was a member of the National Alliance [00:11:36.900] Cameron M: in the US [00:11:38.700] Dave Reilly: but he was also a fan of doogins I guess and he Managed the English version of a doogins website That was in 2005 when I was in Moscow by the way So 20 years ago and I became good friends with this guy like we hang out together and He introduced me to do again and the other Eurasianists and [00:12:02.220] Guest: So in 2005 [00:12:05.260] Dave Reilly: Alexander Dugin who is now quite famous both in Russia and in the West like in Russia He's a he's a mainstream celebrity basically now because he's on the most important TV channels has a regular show and writes regular editorials for like huge newspapers and websites [00:12:25.340] Guest: so I mean In in the West as well, of course [00:12:28.420] Dave Reilly: I think a lot of it has to do with a with a tragic and Murder of his daughter, of course that sort of put him on the map [00:12:35.420] Guest: but Now it's like really famous [00:12:39.020] Dave Reilly: But in 2005 when I @irst met him. He was totally unknown both in Russia and the West like he was a [00:12:45.100] Guest: real fringe @igure and [00:12:48.140] Dave Reilly: Yeah, he organized Dugin told me that he wanted to organize a [00:12:53.300] Guest: conference [00:12:54.500] Dave Reilly: Sort of like the founding conference of what he called the international sorry, sorry, sorry the founding conference of what he called the [00:13:05.580] Guest: Eurasianist Union of Youth and [00:13:08.020] Dave Reilly: This conference was to take place in the town of Aleksandrov Which is about two to three hours from Moscow. It also has a Kremlin just like Moscow and Ivan Krozny or Ivan the terrible the Russian Tsar He had moved his court from Moscow Kremlin to the Kremlin Aleksandrov. I forget the exact historical reasons for the move but for a while his court was in this other town and Episode 93 [00:13:40.140] Cameron M: Alexander Dugin wanted to have a conference in the throne room of this Kremlin in [00:13:46.900] Dave Reilly: Front of Ivan the Terrible's throne basically and well, that's exactly what happened then right? So he had a lot of illustrious Russian speakers. He himself spoke of course my American friend spoke and I spoke because Dugin invited me because he wanted it to have a more international @lair, I guess and Yeah, so so I spoke in front of Ivan the Terrible's throne in the background that put up a screen where they were playing The silent movie Ivan the Terrible Ivan Krozny by Sergei Eisenstein Just to enhance the atmosphere so to speak and I remember the topic of my speech the topic of my speech was basically like German Russian [00:14:29.940] Guest: friendship and how [00:14:32.100] Dave Reilly: Germans and Russians are basically [00:14:35.100] Cameron M: Soul connected because you have Nietzsche and Dostoevsky [00:14:41.100] Dave Reilly: basically the same spirit so [00:14:43.980] Cameron M: They have the very very similar mentality [00:14:47.060] Dave Reilly: Germans and Russians especially the intellectuals. They've always understood each other like in the late 19th century like Germany was full of Russian intellectuals Hanging out in the spa towns debating things and especially Dostoevsky I mean he wrote like several of his novels while in Germany gambling away his money in German casinos in various spa towns and Yeah, so I spoke about this and also like Events that transpired in the 20th century like before World War one you had the Rapallo Treaty basically where where the Soviet Union and The German government were sort of secretly working together Sort of circumventing the Versailles dictate [00:15:34.340] Guest: sort of real collaboration and Then of course yet the Molotov ribbon drop packed [00:15:40.300] Dave Reilly: Before operation Bob Rossa were also like Stalin and Hitler sort of had a rapprochement and they were working together Of course it all came to nothing because of the of the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union which destroyed and everything basically and After the war like after World War two, well, you had the German Democratic Republic, which was of course First occupied by the Soviets, which was a Soviet occupied territory And then you had a renewed sort of friendship in East Germans and the Soviets and in West Germany had sort of like new nationalist parties [00:16:16.100] Rebecca Hargraves: Coming to the fore [00:16:18.100] Guest: Otto Ernst Rema [00:16:19.460] Dave Reilly: He was the guy who had Staufenberg arrested the guy who Wanted to assassinate Hitler so he had Staufenberg arrested and executed basically but he also Founded his own sort of nationalist party after World War two the the Socialistic rice party. Yeah, so that so the Socialist Imperial party basically and Episode 93 [00:16:44.220] Guest: well according to various documents and [00:16:49.020] Dave Reilly: various sources like the the Kremlin like the Soviet Union sort of actively supported this this party [00:16:56.980] Cameron M: not openly of course clandestinely because After World War two Otto Ernst Rema [00:17:04.220] Dave Reilly: I mean he was a staunch national socialist in World War two so opposed to the Soviet Union and the Communist but after World War two He realized that the Soviet Union is a lesser enemy basically and actually can be an ally Against the plutocratic West and the capitalist which West which is actually the true degenerate enemy of Europe so the West as an enemy of Europe therefore we should work together with a Soviet Union Against the West and I mean various other thinkers have the same idea like you had the Belgian geopolitician Jean Tyria He also thought that a euro-soviet alliance could sort of realize This dream of a great European Empire basically the true sovereign empire [00:17:52.580] Rebecca Hargraves: Andrew book you've discussed Stalin's socialism in in one country as a pivot towards National ethno pluralism rather than this universal revolution universalist revolution Do you see any contemporary leader of the Putin or or Bon? As able to successfully carry forward the same synthesis of national identity and social economics today Well, I think Putin is is a good leader [00:18:23.540] Dave Reilly: And I think the Russian Federation as it exists today Of course, it's not perfect because nothing is perfect [00:18:30.020] Rebecca Hargraves: but I think it is admirable in several respects because [00:18:35.580] Cameron M: It is basically an empire and Russia has always been an empire like you had the Russian Empire [00:18:41.180] Dave Reilly: Then you had the Bolshevik Revolution Then you had the Soviet Union which was also an empire and now you have the Russian Federation Which is basically also an empire, but what what makes it an empire? It's an empire because it's not just a state, but it's also a civilization and If if the state and compasses an entire civilization It becomes a civilization state, which is basically just another term for empire so you have different ethnicities and [00:19:11.300] Guest: different religions [00:19:13.020] Dave Reilly: living within the Russian Federation [00:19:16.940] Cameron M: But it's always been the case so Russia has always been like multi ethnic and multi confessional But I should point out. I think that the majority the majority [00:19:28.020] Dave Reilly: Is still Slavic like over 80 percent and Orthodox So the other ethnic groups and other religions are still a minority Episode 93 [00:19:36.300] Cameron M: But it's an imperial structure because it is basically ethnic pluralist so you have the imperial the imperial city, which is Moscow and [00:19:46.020] Dave Reilly: Which is of course Multicultural because people from all over the Empire go there for business and opportunities [00:19:53.300] Rebecca Hargraves: But you have these sort of autonomous [00:19:56.700] Dave Reilly: Regions within the Russian Federation like Tatas down or Chechnya or the boyatee where people are free to live according to their traditions and their heritage and [00:20:11.420] Guest: Speak the language so [00:20:13.860] Dave Reilly: Like Tatas down for example like everything is bilingual in Tatas down if you go to the capital Kazan and all the street signs on Tata and Russian and it's basically an autonomous Republic that is majority Muslim like Chechnya basically and in Chechnya of Kadirov and Kadirov is a very strict Muslim and I would even say almost like a radical Muslim and Some could some would argue that Chechnya is almost run like a caliphate basically within the Russian Federation But I don't see it as problematic. I I see it as a natural Expression of the spirit of Empire because if you compare it to the Roman Empire It was very similar because in the Roman Empire, of course You also had different tribes ethnicities different people's living within its borders like you have the the Germanics you had the Jews yet Judea yet, Germany and [00:21:09.940] Cameron M: lots of other peoples and all of them were free to practice their religion [00:21:15.420] Dave Reilly: I mean before before the the introduction of Christianity like pagan Rome was very tolerant towards other religions, of course and Did not try to impose its religion on other peoples Neither on the Jews nor on the Germanics and both were I mean all of the peoples were free to practice Their customs basically and worship as they please but the only condition that the Romans [00:21:42.420] Rebecca Hargraves: Demanded was that these peoples pay their respect to the emperor Yes, and well most people did with the the Jews in Judea [00:21:52.220] Dave Reilly: They didn't and that's why you have the war between the Romans and the Jews basically because the Jews refused to Obey the laws of the Empire by Proclaiming the emperor as a supreme head of the Empire [00:22:08.820] Cameron M: I think that was the main trigger for the con@lict and [00:22:13.540] Rebecca Hargraves: You could compare this. I mean this practice of [00:22:18.340] Dave Reilly: Letting the different regions live as they pleased what's happening in the Russian Federation today because they could do often Chechnya Even though he runs Chechnya almost like a caliphate He is extremely loyal to the center to Moscow and especially to Putin The the ruler of the Russian Federation and this is why it's tolerated What is going on in Chechnya just like the Romans tolerated what went on in the Episode 93 different regions back then if these regions were loyal To the center which was Rome of course [00:22:48.420] Rebecca Hargraves: Mentality transferable to nations like Germany where there is consider much more of a strong history of Ethonationalism and and Homogeneity and race I've been reading your pieces in your sub-stack about East Germany and AFD and one of the pieces you wrote East Germany and the AFD that there's In East Germany, there's discipline frugality and loyalty and in West Germany. It's its consumerism So in everyday life, let's talk housing youth culture workplace Where do you see Prussian and socialist values and virtues? Most clearly expressed and how does Germany? Differ in terms of ethnic homogeneity from Russia and how one would reign over the territory [00:23:36.740] Dave Reilly: So I suppose you're talking about Germany today, right? [00:23:41.140] Guest: Yes Right, so I mean Germany today [00:23:44.460] Cameron M: I think it's divided in two like you have West Germany and then you have East Germany like the two different parts of Germany [00:23:51.460] Rebecca Hargraves: Basically correspond to the post World War two [00:23:55.860] Dave Reilly: Division when West Germany was occupied by the Western Allies, which is the United States Mainly the United States Britain France or yet Canadians, etc. So the Western Allies is mostly the Americans carved up Western Europe while the Soviet Union occupied East Germany and [00:24:17.780] Guest: Out of these two occupation zones [00:24:20.780] Rebecca Hargraves: First arose two separate nations [00:24:22.820] Dave Reilly: You had the Federal Republic of Germany or West Germany and you had the German Democratic Republic, which was East Germany [00:24:29.220] Guest: so [00:24:30.420] Dave Reilly: West Germany of course was under the thumb of NATO and East Germany was basically Incorporated into the Warsaw Pact which is which was the alliance of all the social estates including the Soviet Union and [00:24:46.300] Guest: I [00:24:47.900] Cameron M: Think today in Germany, especially if you look at voting patterns like the AFD the alternative for Germany [00:24:57.020] Dave Reilly: You can really really see a really stark divide between the two halves I mean in West Germany, I think the average Present percentage for the AFD. I would say is between I don't know 10 10 and 20 percent maybe and in East Germany It's up to 40 percent or even higher like 45 maybe so it's more than double right the question is and it's it's everywhere in East Germany like this and it's Equally everywhere low in West Germany. Episode 93 I mean so it's extremely noticeable but of course I have to be reasons and sociological reasons for this and well in my opinion [00:25:35.620] Rebecca Hargraves: the reason for this divide Lies in this post-war with two partition in the fact that West Germany was basically [00:25:46.380] Cameron M: Well @irst it was denazi@ied quote-unquote after 1945 [00:25:50.540] Dave Reilly: Which means that the the German population was basically [00:25:55.660] Guest: brainwashed into shedding its [00:25:59.460] Dave Reilly: traditionalist skin and [00:26:01.540] Rebecca Hargraves: Accepting like the liberal framework that the American quote-unquote [00:26:07.140] Cameron M: Liberators brought and I think it was very successfully done. I mean now it's it's already been like I mean [00:26:14.300] Guest: Decades and decades since the end of World War two and so so [00:26:19.460] Dave Reilly: West Germans have deeply internalized this sort of American Western spirit of liberalism individualism democracy free market capitalism and [00:26:33.940] Cameron M: And they think it's like the only way Any other way is not acceptable right according to the average West German mind today [00:26:43.500] Dave Reilly: In East Germany took a different course because it was @irst occupied by the Soviets and then incorporated into the socialist camp [00:26:51.220] Cameron M: So to speak so they were not exposed to the capitalist Degeneracy that West Germany was exposed to because people on the right today [00:27:02.940] Dave Reilly: They like always like to talk about what they call cultural [00:27:07.060] Guest: Marxism in my opinion [00:27:08.380] Dave Reilly: It's a misnomer and it doesn't exist right because Marx himself was rather [00:27:14.020] Cameron M: conservative like he would not have approved of these purple- haired weirdos or LGBTQ freaks or [00:27:20.620] Dave Reilly: transgender perverse [00:27:22.620] Guest: obviously not and I [00:27:25.660] Dave Reilly: Would say it's cultural capitalism actually But most people on the right don't want to admit it because they say that socialism is evil and they equate the Soviet Union like Episode 93 [00:27:36.380] Guest: with these Antifa morons [00:27:40.900] Dave Reilly: That roam the streets of cities like Seattle today Which is completely wrong because if you look at the history and the culture of the Soviet Union and the other socialist states in the 20th century I mean you can clearly see that they were extremely socially conservative like Homosexuality was basically banned after Stalin came to power They would have never tolerated these [00:28:05.900] Cameron M: Pride parades now, I mean they focused on family on [00:28:10.940] Dave Reilly: To on folk culture like fairy tales moves and legends I mean that was very very important to them and Like in East Germany like the example I gave in one of the essays that you read is that That the East German government the so-called communist government even re-erected the statue of The Prussian leader Frederick the Great on the on the main street in East Berlin because They felt af@inity to Prussia because they had the same ideals basically, which is a discipline frugality and [00:28:46.940] Cameron M: Loyalty to the fatherland basically and I think also it has something to do with Martin Luther [00:28:52.380] Dave Reilly: Right Martin Luther's break from Rome because East Germany is also Predominantly Protestant so I think that also plays a role in it and Sort of East Germany was shielded from from from from this [00:29:07.300] Rebecca Hargraves: Western obscenity basically how much of the rise of the AFD in East Germany Has been Solidi@ied or that this this rootedness this this cultural Regeneration in East Germany how much of that has been created by the in@lux of migrants Sorry, you you mean the culture in East Germany how much no no I'm talking about the rise of the AFD I mean some of it is [00:29:44.180] Guest: Yeah, but but you know I think that [00:29:47.780] Dave Reilly: Nationalists in East Germany Were always much stronger than in West Germany even before the AFD existed because before the AFD existed You have the National Democratic Party of Germany the NPD [00:30:00.420] Cameron M: Which was well it was not as strong as the AFD is now of course, but it was still noticeably [00:30:06.620] Rebecca Hargraves: Stronger in East Germany [00:30:08.260] Dave Reilly: Then it was in the West where it was almost non-existent basically but in East Germany [00:30:12.540] Cameron M: It was actually in several state parliaments like in Saxony for example in Dresden and [00:30:19.060] Dave Reilly: I had a back then I had a lot of friends from the NPD and often visited them in the parliament in Dresden and even went to like our bars restaurants cafes Episode 93 and even back then I mean that was before the rise of the AFD you could speak very openly about certain topics and [00:30:38.220] Rebecca Hargraves: Nobody would harass you or nobody would I don't know get offended and you know [00:30:45.580] Dave Reilly: They speak meanly to you because of it the same of course was not the case in West Germany West Germany You always have to watch what you say because the general atmosphere is very oppressive towards any kind of I don't know nationalist or Patriotic expression if sincere nationalist or patriotic expression. I'm talking about not the not the fake liberal kind obviously [00:31:10.460] Rebecca Hargraves: So and also in East Germany like the number of immigrants is still lower than in West Germany All although [00:31:19.380] Dave Reilly: Unfortunately, there's also increasing in East Germany East Germany right now So I think yes, of course the immigrant crisis has a lot to do with it But then the question is like because West Germany is more way more immigrants than East Germany Why has the AFD not risen? In a similar fashion in West Germany if it's because of immigration only I think immigration is only one of the factors in my opinion [00:31:46.860] Rebecca Hargraves: all right if the East continues to drift toward a Political model that's more nationalist and socially conservative and skeptical of the liberal West What do you think that that would look like in practice? Let's say ten years from now I don't know in terms of school curriculum foreign policy Economics, whatever you can think of [00:32:09.460] Cameron M: Well, it's a very dif@icult question because I mean it's [00:32:13.220] Guest: Germany is a Republic and [00:32:18.260] Cameron M: I mean you can't gain power in certain states. I think in Thuringia there's a very high chance that the AFD will gain a super majority of [00:32:31.220] Dave Reilly: Almost 50% or maybe over 50% in the next state election and it might even [00:32:36.980] Guest: possibly get a [00:32:39.500] Dave Reilly: AFD minister to lead the state beyond hockey and [00:32:45.180] Cameron M: He wants to implement a lot of measures that the federal government of course doesn't like and a rejection of fake refugees for example and [00:32:58.020] Dave Reilly: Certain cultural policies like stop funding Theatres that openly promote. I know the gay agenda for example [00:33:07.860] Guest: I [00:33:08.780] Dave Reilly: Mean all of these are positive things if they were to be implemented of course and I'm all in favor of them Episode 93 [00:33:15.340] Rebecca Hargraves: but the problem is though that the whole [00:33:19.660] Dave Reilly: Immigration process is decided on a federal level [00:33:22.900] Cameron M: So it's not like that. I think a state can you can unilaterally decide to reject [00:33:29.420] Rebecca Hargraves: Immigrants all together and pretty much do what it wants because then you would end up like the [00:33:36.020] Dave Reilly: Confederacy in the United States right because they try to do their own thing and look what happened So I mean the the federal government would not allow it [00:33:43.940] Guest: so [00:33:45.060] Dave Reilly: It is it is problematic, but some people say because you have this sort of nationalist or patriotic [00:33:52.140] Rebecca Hargraves: real renaissance in East Germany and the AFD is also growing [00:33:58.380] Cameron M: although more slowly in West Germany that [00:34:02.620] Rebecca Hargraves: Sooner or later the AFD might gain [00:34:07.260] Dave Reilly: Complete power over Germany. I think it is it is a likely scenario because right now according to your latest polls like I think the AFD is leading right now. I think I think this is a likely scenario [00:34:19.540] Rebecca Hargraves: You think this is a likely scenario [00:34:21.660] Guest: It's likely it's possible, right? [00:34:24.180] Rebecca Hargraves: it's it's it's it's possible because right now the AFD is [00:34:28.620] Dave Reilly: 27% and Germany is a parliamentary system. So you have like a lot more parties than you have in the United States because the United States Basically a two-party system, but in Germany of the multi-party system so 27% is is very high for such a system because Friedrich Mez who is the chancellor of Germany now his party the Christian Democratic Union is only like a 25% now the polls and so the AFD has like 2% more and [00:34:58.740] Guest: so [00:35:00.340] Cameron M: if there were this means that if there were elections today 27% would vote for the AFD and [00:35:07.140] Rebecca Hargraves: and the numbers are increasing [00:35:09.980] Dave Reilly: Like almost on a daily basis. I mean in favor of the AFD because of all the promises that German chancellor is breaking basically because he made Episode 93 all his promises before he got elected, of course Because before the election the AFD said well, you shouldn't trust the established parties because all they do is lie [00:35:30.580] Guest: And they will never implement [00:35:32.740] Dave Reilly: Anything to change the situation regarding mass immigration the energy crisis the con@lict in Ukraine and so on and [00:35:43.220] Rebecca Hargraves: Of course like the Christian Democratic Union. They took a lot of the slogans from the AFD [00:35:49.220] Dave Reilly: And made them their own right because they wanted to steal votes away from the AFD Obviously, so they said I remember Friedrich Mez said in one of his speeches before the election like a few days [00:35:59.460] Rebecca Hargraves: I think before the election he said that like on day one when when I am chance her I will close all borders [00:36:06.980] Dave Reilly: And no no illegal will ever get in of course and then never happened, right? Many other things didn't happen that he promised [00:36:15.460] Guest: um [00:36:16.980] Dave Reilly: But a lot of people believed him right? And that's why a lot of people still voted for the cdu [00:36:23.140] Rebecca Hargraves: but now I think fewer and fewer people believe what the established parties are saying and the trust in the establishment is [00:36:33.060] Cameron M: rumbling in front of our very eyes [00:36:35.620] Rebecca Hargraves: More and more especially also. I would like to point out that the establishment media which is of course [00:36:43.780] Dave Reilly: a link to the government and it's basically nothing but a propaganda machine for the established parties [00:36:50.980] Cameron M: Is totally opposed to the AFD openly so in so you have the tax funded [00:36:57.380] Dave Reilly: television programs that propagate against the AFD so the AFD was a second strongest party in the last election But it has no power whatsoever in Germany because of the parliamentary system because the parliamentary system Means that you have the cdu the christian democratic union with I know got about 20 percent or 22 percent in the last election [00:37:21.860] Rebecca Hargraves: Entered into coalitions with like the socialist the social democrats the left-wing party, I mean [00:37:31.140] Dave Reilly: The freedom party like parties that are basically supposedly nothing in common entered into a coalition just to to Episode 93 [00:37:40.900] Cameron M: Make sure that the AFD stays out of the government [00:37:44.820] Rebecca Hargraves: This is of course very undemocratic, but this is how the system works and this is why [00:37:50.900] Dave Reilly: the AFD needs much higher numbers because [00:37:54.500] Guest: The more the higher [00:37:56.580] Dave Reilly: Percentage of voters for the AFD the more dif@icult it will become For the establishment parties to enter into coalitions against the AFD because they will lack the necessary majority in the end And they will have to some then enter into a coalition with the AFD That is something they they refuse to do they they say they have they call it the the @irewall basically I mean even the german chancellor said we will never break the @irewall [00:38:23.540] Rebecca Hargraves: Which means we will never ever collaborate or work together with the AFD no matter what [00:38:29.620] Dave Reilly: Because there are fascists and and racists and and you know all the other Names they call them obviously [00:38:38.820] Cameron M: Yeah, so but I think the situation is changing because the AFD is growing stronger [00:38:43.940] Rebecca Hargraves: And I think that is a large part also due to the power of social media [00:38:48.740] Dave Reilly: Right because you have the the tax funded [00:38:51.540] Rebecca Hargraves: TV channels, but I think only boomers watch them, right? [00:38:55.140] Dave Reilly: Like my father for example like he watches it or Older people basically [00:39:01.460] Guest: They watch the regular television, but [00:39:04.100] Dave Reilly: What kind of young person watches a regular television like zero almost? I mean, I don't even watch regular [00:39:08.900] Rebecca Hargraves: I've stopped watching regular television can 20 years ago, right? [00:39:12.500] Dave Reilly: I mean I get all my news on social media different websites [00:39:16.260] Rebecca Hargraves: Like everybody else and because of this the propaganda does not work anymore like like the system propaganda [00:39:23.140] Dave Reilly: It has become ineffective because it doesn't reach the young minds anymore. And this is why Episode 93 [00:39:29.060] Guest: in the [00:39:30.420] Dave Reilly: Last elections or state elections the only reason why the AFD didn't even score higher [00:39:36.020] Rebecca Hargraves: Was because the boomers voted against the AFD [00:39:38.980] Cameron M: But all the young people voted for the AFD or at least a majority of them [00:39:43.620] Dave Reilly: And I think aton you have the same phenomenon in the united states with like more young people For the @irst one than old people. Yeah, well [00:39:52.420] Rebecca Hargraves: Yes, and then the america @irst movement. I think is largely a young person's movement [00:39:56.260] Dave Reilly: Yeah, there's de@initely like a huge split and anybody under the age of 35 is viewed as a nazi Or a groiper or whatever Boogie man that they have it's like the it's like a perfect inversion of Mao's Cultural revolution, which was like it used to be like don't trust anyone over 30 now It's like fucking kill everybody under the age of 35 Nazis [00:40:21.780] Rebecca Hargraves: We're having some in-stage growing pains because of the combination of immigration and Capitalism and so a lot of people on the right even young people on the right have a massive disdain To anything that resembles socialist policy in america Because we associate it with with leftist hedonism and their dysfunctional set of ideologies But in in germany and in western europe and in russia. They have a much more nuanced perspective So I had a few questions about this. Um, hold on before you go [00:40:53.860] Dave Reilly: I just want to point out that like we live in a fucking socialist country. Yeah, I know everything about american capitalism is socialist That's true. Yeah, it's a technocracy. They privatize gains. They socialize losses. We learned this in 2008 We live in a socialist hellhole But there's not any capitalist [00:41:11.780] Rebecca Hargraves: But but staunch capitalism also [00:41:14.340] Dave Reilly: Sucks read hennrich pesh's book [00:41:17.780] Rebecca Hargraves: Ethics in the national economy. Yeah, I mean, I think all of us need to develop a more nuanced perspective about this and not view people That are discussing socialism in western europe as though it's the same Mentality as it is in america. It's de@initely not so alon de bonois. He's a french intellectual. I heard you What was that last name again? bonois. Yeah, bonois I had to spell it out phonetically so I didn't screw it up. Is that what? It had the t I don't know what to tell you. Um, I heard you discuss this with benjamin boys, but he said famously One who criticizes capitalism while approving of immigration would do better to remain silent One who criticizes immigration while remaining silent regarding capitalism should do the same So if someone wanted to criticize both, um without falling into This hypocrisy What would a coherent? alternative framework actually look like would it be um localist socialism or national conservatism With a protectionist @lair or a strong welfare state. What would this what would this look like and what real world example? Do you think comes closest? Episode 93 [00:42:24.820] Dave Reilly: Well, I think china comes closest. I think the the chinese model is very effective and it obviously works because china is already in the future I mean if you look at the the clips on x of what's actually happening in china I mean, it seems like the west is decades behind in terms of technological progress that the chinese are making and it's de@initely a socialist system for sure and Germany is not a socialist country. It's a capitalist country And I disagree. I don't think that the united states is a socialist country. It's de@initely a capitalist country Because you don't have free healthcare. I mean real free healthcare like you had in the suede union. You don't have free housing [00:43:04.260] Rebecca Hargraves: You don't have free universities [00:43:07.700] Dave Reilly: So you don't have all the hallmarks of true socialism basically and the problem of capitalism in germany is [00:43:17.220] Guest: that [00:43:18.660] Cameron M: In connection with immigration is of course that that large corporations or businesses They welcome the in@lux [00:43:28.660] Guest: of immigrants [00:43:29.940] Rebecca Hargraves: Whether skilled unskilled it doesn't matter to them [00:43:33.620] Dave Reilly: And it also doesn't matter to the capitalists that the majority or a large percentage of these immigrants don't work and basically [00:43:43.780] Guest: live on welfare [00:43:45.540] Dave Reilly: Because they don't have to pay for the welfare. It's a government. It's a government that pays for the welfare The businesses only bene@it from the ones that work Because they can use them to drive down the wages. I mean the same is happening in the us, right? I mean with a say the the immigrants from the south like mexico and south america So you have these people working in you know gardens @ields kitchens, etc And you don't pay taxes on them And you pay them a pittance basically it's like modern day slavery basically [00:44:16.980] Rebecca Hargraves: And and trump is of course not serious about deporting them [00:44:20.580] Dave Reilly: I mean in my opinion, it's all a big show of course because nobody Today in the west neither in europe nor in the united states is actually serious about deportations or [00:44:32.740] Cameron M: What they call remigration? It's it's not happening anywhere [00:44:36.580] Guest: Even though all of them [00:44:38.820] Dave Reilly: All these nationalists or patriot patriotic leaders and politicians They say they're going to do it before they come to power. I mean trump said it. I mean you had all these like Trump rallies with people holding up the signs mass Episode 93 deportations now But where are the mass deportations? They're not happening and I mean you have some deportations, of course With ice making a big show dragging out some cook from a mexican restaurant in los angeles, you know So for the masses, you know, like look we're doing something [00:45:07.300] Rebecca Hargraves: But that's not these are not master deportations [00:45:10.900] Dave Reilly: Because mass deportations means you you'd have to deport literally thousands of people every single day And this this is not happening right? [00:45:17.700] Rebecca Hargraves: Ten thousand people a day is what we I mean, it's not it's not happening [00:45:21.620] Guest: And it will never happen in my opinion [00:45:23.780] Rebecca Hargraves: And also because they're not serious because I mean they're not punishing the businesses like [00:45:28.500] Dave Reilly: The businesses are not really punished the the business that hire illegals I mean they take the illegals out of the businesses [00:45:35.300] Cameron M: Maybe they deport them [00:45:37.060] Rebecca Hargraves: But the businesses themselves the owners of the businesses. They are not punished properly. They're no traconian [00:45:44.260] Guest: punishments, which [00:45:45.780] Dave Reilly: should be in place which tells me that they're not serious And and it's not like you have a border that is protected between the united states and mexico So you can kick them across the border and they can just Walk down walk down mexican territory along the border 10 miles and cross over again, you know, who's going to stop them [00:46:05.460] Cameron M: I mean the same is true in germany and all the other european countries [00:46:08.100] Dave Reilly: I mean, there's no big fence around germany's you can never stop people coming in because I mean they can just walk through the forest from other countries into germany if they want to And logistically is also very dif@icult [00:46:21.140] Guest: If you talk about remigration or [00:46:23.700] Dave Reilly: Deportations because how would you even do it? Right because I mean you have millions of people from like syria and afghanistan in germany [00:46:31.940] Guest: But how are you gonna? I mean even if you wanted to [00:46:34.420] Dave Reilly: To to take them back to syria or afghanistan, how would you even do it? Like you'd have to @ly them basically to afghanistan like millions of people Episode 93 [00:46:43.140] Rebecca Hargraves: How many planes would it take to even have that many planes? [00:46:45.540] Dave Reilly: How many @lights per day and then you have to ask the syrian government if they even want them back [00:46:49.860] Rebecca Hargraves: What if the syrian government doesn't want them back? What are you going to do start a war with syria? So they take their own people back. I don't think that's going to happen [00:46:57.460] Dave Reilly: So it's completely unrealistic and and a lot of them already gain german citizenship because I think like over a million syrians since 2015 From the ones that came when angela merkel opened the borders already german citizens and obviously you can't deport german citizens It just it just doesn't work. Um, I would be a pro-war syria [00:47:21.700] Guest: For that reason [00:47:23.300] Cameron M: It's a purely capitalist ploy [00:47:25.300] Dave Reilly: So as long as you have capitalism things will not change because in the socialist countries You did not have mass immigration because there was no incentive for them to migrate I mean china doesn't have it. I think today mass immigration north korea de@initely doesn't have it I mean the german democratic republic didn't have it the syria union didn't have it I mean you had certain guest workers in east germany like I think a lot of uh vietnamese came But they were actually guest workers like they came to east germany a lot of them went to the universities they studied They did an internship maybe but most of them actually went back to africa or to vietnam where they came from [00:48:05.700] Cameron M: And they didn't stay right because in the west basically they had the guest worker program in germany [00:48:11.780] Dave Reilly: Which was I think introduced in the in the 50s or 60s with the turks [00:48:16.100] Cameron M: That @irst came to germany. They were also called guest workers, but [00:48:20.420] Dave Reilly: They didn't stay guests. Obviously they settled and then a lot of most of them never went back to turkey [00:48:26.340] Rebecca Hargraves: So now we have to the turks in germany [00:48:29.460] Dave Reilly: Already several generations. I mean in my opinion they're they're completely most of them the majority of them are completely integrated And the young ones actually I would even say that they feel closer to [00:48:42.020] Rebecca Hargraves: German culture even than the turkish culture or maybe even a mix Episode 93 [00:48:46.580] Dave Reilly: But they are de@initely not out of place anymore because such a long time has passed [00:48:52.580] Rebecca Hargraves: Right with with reference to the asian models. Let's go back to that. So the most successful asian countries So let's say singapore china korea south korea japan. Um, they all share this cultural acceptance of hierarchy and collectivism But europeans and americans we are famously individual istic even even to our detriment to a fault. Um, is any asian model Structurally transferable to any western nation because of these innate differences within the ethnos of our respective cultures [00:49:29.380] Dave Reilly: Yeah, de@initely. I mean you I mean if you think about the history of the west [00:49:34.740] Guest: the idea [00:49:36.580] Dave Reilly: That the west is democratic a liberal individualistic [00:49:41.140] Guest: It does not really [00:49:43.380] Dave Reilly: Hold true across centuries or even millennia because for most of its existence [00:49:49.540] Rebecca Hargraves: The west has been feudal [00:49:52.820] Dave Reilly: Not democratic has been completely hierarchical and also sort of collective. Yes if you think about events like the crusades for example and The structure of the papacy in the middle ages [00:50:08.820] Rebecca Hargraves: And the serfs [00:50:10.580] Dave Reilly: That had to till the land and the knights basically the feudal lords that owned the land I mean that was that was the majority of of europe's history I mean this whole idea of individualism democracy and liberalism is fairly new right? It's only the last couple of hundred years basically about thousands of years before that it was completely autocratic And authoritarian and hierarchic. So I don't think it's alien to europe at all [00:50:34.340] Rebecca Hargraves: What is the alien is this this individual? [00:50:38.500] Dave Reilly: Liberalism this is what is truly alien and this is what is poisoning Basically the west and this is why the west with its ideology of individualism and liberalism is basically the enemy [00:50:50.340] Rebecca Hargraves: of true europeans, but you don't believe that asians are are innately more collectivist than europeans [00:50:59.220] Cameron M: Well, that's true. What if you think about the chinese? I would agree right? [00:51:02.660] Dave Reilly: The de@initely more collectivist. I mean it's it's in the nature all peoples are different, of course I mean if you it just in terms of multi polarity we respect the Episode 93 differences between the peoples We don't want to make other peoples the same as us right? I mean when I say for example at north korea is a great state and I think it works very well I don't mean that I would want to have the north korean system imposed on europe because [00:51:30.740] Rebecca Hargraves: As you said it wouldn't work because I think it works for the for the korean [00:51:36.340] Cameron M: I would say the korean ethnic soul so to speak because it speaks to confucianism [00:51:42.180] Dave Reilly: The the the spirit of community of what is good for the whole [00:51:46.900] Rebecca Hargraves: But as you said in in europe especially in northern europe you always have this spirit of [00:51:53.300] Dave Reilly: I want to do my own thing basically right and I am part of the whole But I also have the faustian spirit within me to always go further That's why you had all the the great explorers like columbus Armstrong on the moon and now you have illa musk wanting to go to mars I mean this is the inherent in the western spirit [00:52:14.660] Guest: But I think that does not mean that We need [00:52:19.540] Dave Reilly: Liberal democracy to foster this spirit you can still have a collective Society in the sense you can have a society that is not necessarily democratic Society that emphasizes community [00:52:36.500] Cameron M: Over the individual without crampling necessarily on the rights of individuals [00:52:42.420] Dave Reilly: And I think there are de@initely examples in history where this has worked quite well [00:52:48.020] Rebecca Hargraves: Can you be more speci@ic? What do you think is the best example of history? That could be most easily adopted in today's western nations [00:52:58.420] Dave Reilly: No, I think it's I think a combination would be in order right? [00:53:02.260] Cameron M: I mean if you look at for example the holy roman empire in the middle ages [00:53:06.980] Dave Reilly: You had all these small states basically there were sort of semi-autonomous [00:53:11.540] Cameron M: They could do their own thing, but then you had the overarching structure with the emperor basically That united the whole into one [00:53:22.500] Rebecca Hargraves: Spirit culture so to speak The same was the same was the case in the soviet union, right? I mean you had the [00:53:31.300] Dave Reilly: communist or socialist system Episode 93 [00:53:34.420] Cameron M: Of government, but at the same time [00:53:38.020] Rebecca Hargraves: It sort of fostered creativity [00:53:40.580] Dave Reilly: But without the prophet motive and I mean because you hear the argument all the time people say like in a socialist system [00:53:48.660] Cameron M: You can't be creative [00:53:51.140] Dave Reilly: You can't be a pioneer and so on, but it's not true, right? Because like who was the @irst man in space it was yuriga god and the soviet citizen I mean they made great strides in science and exploration And well the americans went to the moon supposedly. I'm not quite sure, right? I mean that's debatable. I guess [00:54:09.940] Guest: um [00:54:10.900] Cameron M: So, I mean you need you need a combination basically I would say a sort of corporatism [00:54:19.060] Dave Reilly: Like the chinese model basically where you have private initiative [00:54:22.660] Rebecca Hargraves: But you don't have this completely free market capitalism You have the key industries controlled by the state so for [00:54:34.020] Dave Reilly: National security reasons and also for the welfare of the people and while at the same time you [00:54:40.900] Rebecca Hargraves: instill an ideology of cultural and and [00:54:44.820] Guest: pride in your own people [00:54:48.020] Cameron M: instead of constantly devaluing sort of like the like the founding stock. I mean, I think that's what's [00:54:55.780] Dave Reilly: Happening in western europe and also the united states [00:54:58.980] Guest: were basically [00:55:01.940] Dave Reilly: The founders of the countries when i'm talking about the colonies like the us or australia [00:55:09.140] Rebecca Hargraves: The the founding stock is basically [00:55:12.180] Guest: denigrated now by [00:55:14.580] Dave Reilly: their own government and completely disrespected in in school academia Entertainment tv shows movies etc and and and you you can't do this, right? [00:55:26.260] Rebecca Hargraves: I mean you you can have a sort of multicultural society if you have A a what what is in german called the reisvolk, right? Episode 93 [00:55:35.780] Dave Reilly: The imperial people because all great empires in the past had it, right? [00:55:40.500] Rebecca Hargraves: I mean you have roam [00:55:42.180] Dave Reilly: Lots of different ethnicities lots of different races [00:55:45.300] Cameron M: People's religions etc, but the core people that help everything together were the romans, right? [00:55:52.500] Guest: and [00:55:53.620] Cameron M: In the mongol empire it was the mongols in the ottoman empire. It was the ottomans and in the [00:56:00.980] Guest: Soviet empire [00:56:01.940] Cameron M: It was the russians and in the russian federation today. It is also the russians and [00:56:06.500] Rebecca Hargraves: But that does not mean that you have some sort of supremacism It does not mean that the that the founding stock Declars itself superior to the other peoples within the realm and wants to lord over them. They can be [00:56:21.700] Guest: Legally on the same level [00:56:25.780] Dave Reilly: I'm talking about the minorities, but they still have to respect the integrity of the of the whole by respecting the founding stock the rice the imperial people because these are the people that [00:56:39.380] Rebecca Hargraves: Established the imperial culture, which is a model of the whole empire while while at the same time it still respects [00:56:52.020] Guest: the [00:56:53.460] Rebecca Hargraves: differences [00:56:54.980] Guest: of [00:56:55.940] Dave Reilly: The cultural expressions that exist within the realm [00:57:00.260] Rebecca Hargraves: That sounds wonderful. I wish we lived Wish we lived in a nation that it was able. I think I think the us was like this until I do us [00:57:09.460] Dave Reilly: I was until the 1980s, right? I mean the us was always implicitly [00:57:14.340] Guest: I mean not not explicitly but implicitly [00:57:17.860] Dave Reilly: basically a majority. I mean a white country that [00:57:22.340] Guest: followed Episode 93 [00:57:23.380] Dave Reilly: White ideals and white values America was an ethno-state until the heart-seller. It was yeah, and I think [00:57:30.900] Rebecca Hargraves: 80 of the country came from founding stock by by the turn of the century. Yeah, um, we're coming up on an hour I just had one more question and then we have a listener question for you. So Of why do you focus on? So what what opportunities do you think it provides for our people and what opportunities do you think that it affords mankind? [00:57:52.420] Dave Reilly: What affords mankind different paths to our different solutions, of course because the planet faces different problems [00:58:00.740] Guest: and [00:58:02.180] Rebecca Hargraves: according to the unipolar world order [00:58:06.100] Cameron M: I mean the order which was imposed by the united states and the collective west on the planet basically [00:58:16.100] Guest: Is [00:58:18.180] Dave Reilly: leading the world to ruin basically and I actually advocate what I call Darwinian Multi-polarity because I'm quite realistic. I mean because a lot of people say uh [00:58:27.380] Cameron M: Like multi-polarity should be a world where all the different nations all the different states get along and we all work together [00:58:34.420] Rebecca Hargraves: We should not make war on each other. We should love each other. We should have a brotherhood of different humans [00:58:38.980] Dave Reilly: Yeah, but that's very it's like some hippie version. That's completely unrealistic and silly right and it goes against the biological imperative like the Darwinian principles basically which still hold true no matter if you like them or not [00:58:53.380] Rebecca Hargraves: So Darwinian multi-polarity [00:58:56.420] Guest: does not reject [00:58:58.420] Dave Reilly: the the Faustian impulse of the west does not reject like The drive towards domination that basically Is inherent in every people But it accepts the fact that now We simply don't have one single pole anymore [00:59:19.140] Rebecca Hargraves: because until [00:59:21.380] Dave Reilly: Recently the united states was not just a superpower. It was a hyper power. It means it was [00:59:28.820] Rebecca Hargraves: So powerful that literally no other state in the world could ever Episode 93 [00:59:34.740] Cameron M: Do anything against the us or or [00:59:38.340] Dave Reilly: Counteract the us so to speak the us could basically act with impunity worldwide and we all know that it did right [00:59:46.180] Cameron M: But again, I'm not a moralist. I'm not saying it's bad what the us did, you know [00:59:51.220] Guest: It it did it [00:59:52.820] Dave Reilly: Because it could and this is what happens in biology, right? If you have power you're going to use it [00:59:58.100] Rebecca Hargraves: And this is how it is But today we don't have the unit the unipolar moment is over now We have a multi polar world We have the united states which is still a pole. It is a civilization state. It is an imperial structure [01:00:14.420] Dave Reilly: And it is a sovereign civilization because it has nuclear weapons We have the russian federation. It's another pole. It's an empire with nuclear weapons [01:00:24.980] Cameron M: Same with china and india. So right now. I think we have four true civilization states four true poles all four of them encompassing an entire civilization and [01:00:36.260] Rebecca Hargraves: All of them truly sovereign because they're in the possession of really powerful weapons that could destroy everything basically [01:00:46.980] Dave Reilly: You don't have any other poles at the moment like the islamic world for example, it's not a pole [01:00:51.540] Rebecca Hargraves: I mean it is a civilization islam, but it is not a state, right? [01:00:55.700] Dave Reilly: So it's not a civilization state. It's not an empire. Therefore. It is not sovereign. It is still [01:01:01.060] Cameron M: Controlled by the other poles, but now you have different poles and it's very noticeable. So the us cannot act with impunity anymore [01:01:09.060] Dave Reilly: And a lot of people notice this even inside the us like j.d. Vance, for example He gave a speech at the naval academy in anapolis a couple of months ago where he even said like we have to basically I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember his exact words [01:01:23.460] Rebecca Hargraves: but he basically said that we as americans now have to accept that [01:01:28.820] Dave Reilly: The the time is over when america was the most powerful country in the world And rubio said the same that we will now live in the multipolar world. I think trump doesn't want to accept it but he's inadvertently Episode 93 [01:01:44.180] Guest: pushing the world [01:01:45.620] Dave Reilly: Towards more multi-clarity through his actions like the sanction regime, for example, right? I mean [01:01:53.140] Cameron M: so russia is sanctioned like more country on earth has ever been sanctioned and [01:01:59.700] Guest: only because [01:02:01.060] Dave Reilly: it acted against the interests of the united states and western europe basically because western europe also sanctioned russia [01:02:08.180] Rebecca Hargraves: But the the whole idea of sanctions. What does that tell the global south and other civilizations? [01:02:13.380] Dave Reilly: It basically just shows them that you cannot trust the west You cannot invest in the west you cannot make a deal with the west because they don't honor deals They don't honor contracts. They don't honor your property. They don't honor your assets that you have in the west So what what's sane country in the world would ever want to invest in the west again never right and trump by by [01:02:36.420] Rebecca Hargraves: sanctioning more and more [01:02:38.420] Dave Reilly: Or punishing other countries for not towing the american line is therefore pushing all these countries further And further away from the west's on orbit and that's of course a good thing because the west is the principal enemy of mankind [01:02:51.700] Rebecca Hargraves: I mean the west um when I mean when I talk about the west the modern i don't mean the west as a country [01:02:57.860] Guest: Or a people right i mean the west [01:03:01.140] Dave Reilly: As an ideology as a principal This is the enemy basically the idea that we're all the same. We should all believe the same. We should all live the same [01:03:11.540] Guest: We should all Give women equal rights. We should all give [01:03:17.300] Dave Reilly: Every country gay parades all that stuff, you know This is the west and this is the enemy and this has to be combated and the multipolar world [01:03:24.500] Rebecca Hargraves: Is basically burying this ideology I think that that's why there is so much resistance to developing the The attitude of multi of a multipolar world Because it hurts our ego as americans especially To to let go of this mentality that we've been raised with that we're no longer the premier world power But I think it is for the bene@it Of the world that that we lose this status because we wield that power um in such a malevolent way historically Yeah, we have we are the enemy [01:04:00.260] Dave Reilly: No, no, no, of course, you're not the enemy americans. Oh, yeah, we are. What are you talking about? The enemy and system right and I would say that even the average american Bene@its from multipolarity because the average american does Episode 93 not bene@it from Globalism he does not bene@it from unipolarity the only people that bene@it from globalism and unipolarity are the elites That exploit the average american people like How does the average american in the midwest for example bene@it? [01:04:33.460] Guest: from america [01:04:36.260] Dave Reilly: Attacking various countries in the middle east or spending literally trillions of dollars [01:04:42.820] Cameron M: On a 20-year occupation of afghanistan [01:04:46.180] Dave Reilly: That resulted in bringing the same people back to power that they went into in the @irst place to oust [01:04:53.460] Rebecca Hargraves: Right. Like how does the average american bene@it from this? No, I know I totally agree [01:04:58.900] Dave Reilly: But it ful@ills prophecy constant. Yeah, don't you know it said so in the bible God's chosen people [01:05:08.260] Rebecca Hargraves: Sorry We do have an audience question for you if you're amenable to answering it [01:05:13.380] Dave Reilly: I think that we have one good audience question. We're trying to @ilter these through. I'm asking them all they're all over 10 dollars Get your last minute super chance Let's only ask him respectable questions. This is a respectable show. I think that these are respectable questions. All right Constantine what is your best example of culture that stems from ethnicity? Have you ridden a horse? And can you give an example to destroy capitalism? What does that mean? I don't know I understand the worst question. I talked to him by the way on the phone the other day. We have book track groups Thank you. By the way book track groups for like single-handedly propping the show up So, I mean, I guess When you when you started we're talking about the idea that the culture is downstream of ethnicity So if you have a good example of that um Have you ridden a horse? Is this a yes or no question? Well, I have ridden a horse. Uh-huh. So it's yeah [01:06:08.820] Guest: um [01:06:10.500] Dave Reilly: The example of well give an example of how cultures downstream from ethnicity. Well, it's obvious because ethnicity found the cultures and then you have outsiders coming in [01:06:22.980] Cameron M: Integrating into a culture that was originally not theirs, right? I mean It is it is very simple. I'm not denigrating immigrants per se I'm just saying as I said earlier that the founding stock like by de@inition Are the people that found it and established the culture, right? [01:06:47.540] Dave Reilly: Everybody else that comes after therefore has to adopt A culture that was not originally theirs So, I mean if Indians come to the yes, for example, I mean they are from a completely different civilization different culture than the american Episode 93 original founding stock culture Which is still alive in some respects. So the Indians of course have to adopt a culture that is [01:07:15.060] Guest: alien to their own culture [01:07:18.020] Dave Reilly: And that's why it's downstream, right? I mean from ethnicity. I I think it's quite self-explanatory in my opinion Yeah, it should be I want to go off on this because we had this Little like parent-teacher conference at school brie@ly and no, I'm not going to get into it now I'll wait till later, but it's just very interesting because they were talking about culture and education Likening educating a child to like wine and how there's a certain terroir with each grape and the soil around it, you know Has its in@luence on the vines and then whether or not there's rain and all this type of stuff But it's it's very interesting But I mean like at the same time I feel like this also kind of invalidates the pan- europeanism thing because Like Germans are not French French or not Spain, right? It's they have a different language And they have different cultures. That's why I'm a petty nationalist [01:08:09.700] Guest: Yeah, but [01:08:11.700] Dave Reilly: I have to disagree though. It doesn't in the the pan-european idea does not invalidate what what you cherish as a nationalist I think it even enhances it because I think nationalism [01:08:23.060] Cameron M: According to the french model that that came to the fore after the french evolution [01:08:27.620] Dave Reilly: Nationalism is a leveling force basically that that destroys Regional cultures and makes the regional cultures conform to the national culture I think in an imperial structure, you always have an empire of regions which are much smaller than nations so different regions and dialects are Much more preserved and respected in an empire Than in a nation in my opinion Yeah, I mean I see that I just also fucking hate the EU Booktrak group sent ten dollars. Konstantin, what is the dating market like in the afd? Do you believe women should go to college or get married @irst? It's a numbers game with voting persuasion works if people look for truth So I guess one. Yeah, I'm not really familiar with the dating market because I'm happily married [01:09:26.820] Rebecca Hargraves: But from maybe talking to other people, I think there are a lot of smart women in the afd and I [01:09:33.700] Dave Reilly: I watch your videos couple of lesbians too and Yeah, whether they should @irst have children or go to university. I think it depends right? [01:09:44.100] Guest: I mean because I think [01:09:46.100] Cameron M: Now the whole idea of going to university has become in@lationary in my opinion. I think [01:09:52.500] Dave Reilly: Too many people attend universities now. It's not it's not even special anymore Episode 93 [01:09:56.420] Rebecca Hargraves: Like it used to be a sort of like mark of distinction in the past no longer having having a university degree [01:10:02.740] Guest: But not everybody has it so So what differentiates you from other people? [01:10:08.820] Dave Reilly: What bene@it does it really bring having having a university degree today? [01:10:14.180] Guest: So it's all about priorities and I think It is the establishment and the government [01:10:21.060] Rebecca Hargraves: That has the responsibility to instill values in the populace that are congruent with the principles of [01:10:31.300] Dave Reilly: What makes the people great and right now we don't have this because right now we have the emphasis on [01:10:38.900] Guest: individualism career and [01:10:43.460] Cameron M: Going your own way doing your own thing Focusing on yourself self-improvement [01:10:50.580] Rebecca Hargraves: when in reality what we should have a initiative [01:10:54.500] Guest: top down where people are basically [01:10:57.620] Cameron M: told that what is truly important in life is legacy [01:11:03.620] Guest: a heritage [01:11:05.700] Cameron M: Which is not just individual but collective and not just in this time [01:11:10.740] Dave Reilly: But it's generational because it's your ancestors and also your descendants It is one long line and this should be emphasized that we're basically all in this together and [01:11:20.900] Guest: in order [01:11:22.500] Dave Reilly: For this collective to become [01:11:24.660] Cameron M: stronger or at least stay stable [01:11:28.500] Guest: We need [01:11:29.860] Cameron M: new members of this collective and people should understand this [01:11:34.580] Rebecca Hargraves: Implicitly and in the past they did unfortunately has been lost Episode 93 [01:11:39.300] Dave Reilly: But I think it's not too late because it could easily be taught again And people could easily follow it again [01:11:45.380] Cameron M: And if they did internalize it with proper gender roles, which also have been perverted, of course [01:11:51.860] Dave Reilly: I think some women of course will still go to university and I would have no problem with it because even in the past Even I mean even hundreds of years ago. We certain women did or certain women had careers, right? [01:12:02.180] Rebecca Hargraves: But of course we would probably see a lot more women and a lot more children if we had the right value system installed indeed On that note, this was such a pleasure to have this conversation with you I think it was enlightening to our audience and our exposure to multi polarity Um, where can people @ind you and your works? [01:12:25.220] Dave Reilly: Well, I have two sub stacks. I have my own sub stack, which is euro severia dot net [01:12:31.380] Guest: On this sub stack. I publish [01:12:33.700] Dave Reilly: only my own writings like one or two Small essays per week on different topics pertaining to history philosophy politics culture literature, etc [01:12:45.940] Guest: and [01:12:47.220] Dave Reilly: my second project is called multi polar press dot com and On this sub stack. I publish writings by a variety of authors from all over the world And it's all about the idea of multi polarity that we discussed in this show [01:13:06.340] Rebecca Hargraves: and for example, we publish [01:13:08.500] Guest: exclusive [01:13:09.700] Dave Reilly: English translations of adougans articles that are published [01:13:14.820] Guest: in russian media [01:13:16.900] Dave Reilly: And also articles by authors from different continents or not just western authors also i know japanese authors south american authors Indian authors chinese authors So, I mean it is truly multi polar [01:13:30.260] Cameron M: And then I also found that my own publishing house [01:13:33.940] Dave Reilly: multi polar press a few months ago and [01:13:38.500] Guest: I'm going to publish my @irst book with this [01:13:43.940] Dave Reilly: publishing company called multi polar galaxy Star Wars as a myth of civilization basically Will be the @irst book it will be out. There it is multi polar galaxy star wars as the as a myth of Civilizational rebirth. So, I mean that book will be out Episode 93 Probably in about a week or two, but I will de@initely announce it on x. So please follow me on x [01:14:08.500] Rebecca Hargraves: And yeah, I had previously written two books as a tariff trumpism [01:14:13.460] Dave Reilly: published by arktas in january 2024 which looked at the phenomenon of trumpism [01:14:23.540] Rebecca Hargraves: Not so much focused on trump the man [01:14:27.140] Dave Reilly: but trump the symbol trump [01:14:30.580] Guest: as the historical [01:14:34.340] Rebecca Hargraves: instrument that basically [01:14:37.140] Guest: created a movement that has now Even become independent of the man [01:14:44.340] Cameron M: from a philosophical perspective. So [01:14:47.300] Dave Reilly: perspective oswald schwenkler a heidegger and [01:14:50.820] Guest: hegel [01:14:52.020] Dave Reilly: with a world spirit various other thinkers [01:14:55.060] Rebecca Hargraves: um, then arktas published another one of my books in [01:15:00.980] Dave Reilly: January of this year called multi polarity exclamation mark [01:15:07.060] Rebecca Hargraves: In which are pretty much discuss in great detail what we discussed in the show today also from different [01:15:16.500] Dave Reilly: historical and philosophical angles for example, I Talk about guion fai and his idea of archao futurism and how it pertains to today's civilization states that have become More traditional moving away from the western monoculture, but at the same time being highly technologically advanced [01:15:44.580] Rebecca Hargraves: Hmm. Well, thank you again. We hope to speak with you soon. Have a lovely day [01:15:48.740] Cameron M: Thank you very much for having me. I greatly enjoyed it and I wish you the same. Okay. Thanks [01:15:56.740] Dave Reilly: Awesome, that was a great discussion a great interview now we get to brain rot and swap it up [01:16:04.100] Rebecca Hargraves: I know I was like no stupid super chats Episode 93 [01:16:08.020] Dave Reilly: Speaking of stupid super chats. We got ten dollars from yo jimbo rockford Thanks to my north i'daho tallow soap my endocrinologist is very impressed with how my endocrines are but for me I'm impressed with how it's improved my racism. Ah, very good. Very good. Yes, of course north i'daho tallow company is a premier sponsor of the backlash they make Um, they make skin products the health care skin products For your face for your armpits soap Balm lip balm. It's all very good stuff. You can get it at idaho tallow.com. They also have A very nice christmas gift box For this christmas season. So if you're lazy and you don't like wrapping your own packages They can do that for you. 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I'm sick of this male spurriness My husband's like if you want something for christmas Well, @irst he said do you think maybe I should like @ind Something in my heart to give you for christmas and I was like, what a fucking revelation [01:18:00.260] Guest: Buddy [01:18:01.380] Rebecca Hargraves: Yes, I think you should do that and then two days later. He's like, can you just send me what you want? I can't I can't do it. Can you just send me what you want for christmas? [01:18:09.380] Dave Reilly: What my wife and I do is we just go on amazon and we just add things to the cart This needs to stop this and that way it's like I see what she wants She sees what I want and then we can just buy something that's already there. It's great. That's terrible. It's wonderful [01:18:22.980] Rebecca Hargraves: No surprises. Maybe my husband will put down our decrepit incontinent [01:18:29.620] Dave Reilly: Dog for christmas for me. The big thing I'm looking forward for christmas is like I've been I've been getting into pipe smoking recently More than before not crack. He's not not crack. Okay pipe tobacco And uh, I've got this really nice pipe that I got a few years ago But yeah, you know, it's a pain in the ass because like when you want to set it down to like use your hands to spaghetti talk [01:18:51.220] Rebecca Hargraves: You know like because you don't always want to have you really rained in that spaghetti talk during that interview Episode 93 [01:18:56.580] Dave Reilly: I did but anyway, they have these little stands that you can put The pipe in you put the pipe in a stand and it doesn't fall over and it keeps it level and burning [01:19:05.940] Rebecca Hargraves: What we're talking about for our christmas Presence respectively are me getting my dog that I hate put down and you getting a pipe stand. That's where we are in life [01:19:14.420] Dave Reilly: Yes, that would be nice We got a super chat from north ida hotel company who sent ten dollars. You're retarded But appreciate the plug Cow our gift boxes are new and make gift giving easy. We have a christmas soap Dropping soon too Uh, the the christmas soap is gonna be good. I uh, it's gonna be good. I smelled it. It's amazing frankincense It's I think it's gonna be called like we three kings or something But it's like frankincense and mur so you can that's wonderful. You can smell like a corpse That's what that was for frankincense and mur were like Herbs that were given to somebody to bury the dead corpse [01:19:53.860] Rebecca Hargraves: Idaho tallow.com We're gonna get @ired [01:19:58.740] Dave Reilly: We have two other sponsors. We're gonna do a better. We're gonna do better jobs with them. Absolutely. Uh, What else was going on? I had there was like so much that I wanted to talk about [01:20:08.820] Rebecca Hargraves: And I'm I'm physically exhausted. Why are you feeling better? Yeah, a little bit better than last year. We were like death less Like a higher level of propriety for our guest But like I I'm actually exhausted. Oh, okay. Uh, there is some [01:20:24.020] Dave Reilly: Interesting stuff going on some housekeeping. We got to talk about Uh, there is a based And red-pilled anti-semitic revolution happening right now in mexico in mexico in mexico [01:20:36.580] Guest: young [01:20:37.540] Dave Reilly: zelenials zoomers Millennials that are sick and tired of globalism Have stormed the presidential palace in mexico and been Scrawling anti-semitic. Oh, that's awesome graf@iti all over the front Jewish or Jewish horror puta judia And then of course you can see down here. There's this little star of david with an x through it. Uh, and you know, gloria shinbaum De@initely How much is that edited one of the tribe? Look at that. Oh, I don't think that's edited. Okay. You know that's edited [01:21:11.300] Rebecca Hargraves: Oh, it's not gonna be like the charlie kerk thing all over again his his gums were small. He did have small gums [01:21:18.020] Dave Reilly: So anyway, please pray for our Neighbors to the south, you know, maybe if we get rid of the narco, you know leader of mexico That's helping to bring a bunch of people across the border Maybe that would be good. Maybe there's a way that we can like live next to mexico and not necessarily in mexico Because that's kind of what like caldwell, Idaho feels like now. It's like it feels like fucking mexico. Yeah 30% 30% mexico down there another thing to keep on your radar is um If you happen to live here in north Episode 93 Idaho Or in the surrounding area, there is a big legislative town hall coming up this coming saturday November 22nd at 10 a.m at the altar church So if you would like to meet your representatives Your local g.o.p leaders you can do that if you would like to shut up your podcast co-host [01:22:11.220] Rebecca Hargraves: For not interacting with local politics. I'm not going. I'm just joking. You should go. There's under no circumstances. Am I going to this? [01:22:17.780] Guest: Oh [01:22:18.820] Rebecca Hargraves: I'll be there. I like to be an average citizen. Yeah. Well, I mean you can be an average citizen and like, you know [01:22:25.060] Dave Reilly: Pay attention. It'll be very interesting because we've got you know, uh one one more legislative session before [01:22:31.460] Guest: Uh [01:22:32.660] Dave Reilly: Before we go to the primary and so, you know, I want things done. I want bitcoin legislation I want gold and silver legislation. So i'm gonna hand them on that And if you want to hand them on your pet issue, you can do that too. Not you. I'm talking to you. Okay. Okay, good If you If you want to hand them on your pet issue, you can do that. We have another super chat that came in the altar church This saturday the 22nd 10 a.m. Put it on your calendar. I'll remind you on wednesday [01:22:59.540] Rebecca Hargraves: Mr. Thunderstorm Individualism has never existed in human history. It's advertising for capitalism Just the process of making linen harvest time requires did I read this correctly? Yes linen uh, yes Not linen linen linen harvest time requires working together throughout history Even reproduction requires two. Oh, and then it's cut off. Do you have the rest of this? [01:23:25.780] Dave Reilly: Where did which did come through? Is it youtube? [01:23:29.060] Rebecca Hargraves: No, it came through something else. It's blue [01:23:32.420] Guest: blue [01:23:34.420] Rebecca Hargraves: So i'm really into tutor history and today I learned That everybody had to spin thread Because it took 12 people to keep one weaver In um in business and so even aristocrats they were always spinning always spinning and then unmarried women were always spinning [01:23:53.940] Dave Reilly: And that is why they were called spinsters. Oh individualism has never existed in human history It's advertising for capitalism. Just the process of making linen harvest time requires working together Throughout history even reproduction requires two That's all that there is Okay, so if you were thinking that there was more there is requires two is the last that I got requires two That's the last I got. Oh, okay. Well, um, we read it twice Episode 93 [01:24:19.700] Rebecca Hargraves: Thunderstorm now send us another super chat with nothing so that it balances out [01:24:24.900] Dave Reilly: What one penny super chat? No, I know never mind. Did you see this by the way? [01:24:29.620] Rebecca Hargraves: No, stop making me watch stuff. Oh with the nick fuentes thing. Yes, we're gonna talk about it on wednesday So don't play it out. Oh, why can't I play it now? [01:24:36.500] Guest: great interviews with tucker carlsson But you can't tell him who to interview. I mean if he wants to interview nick fuentes I don't know much about him But if he wants to do it get the word out let him, you know, people have to decide ultimately people have to decide The mayor of new york, I will say he would like to meet with us and we'll work something out But he would like to come to washington and meet and we'll work something out We want to see everything work out well for new york Do yourself I did it with nick fuentes at marlago a few years ago. What role should he play in the conservative movement? Well, I didn't know he was coming and he was with as you know somebody Kanye And Kanye yesterday could have dinner and he brought nick. I didn't know nick at the time and He did he came along with a few other people he brought a few people with him Meeting people talking to people like for somebody like tucker That's what they do. You know people are controversial. Some are some aren't I'm not controversial. So I like it that way What [01:25:38.580] Rebecca Hargraves: That was like disavowal [01:25:40.100] Dave Reilly: Adjacent that is the best quote meeting people talking to people. You know, this is what they do This is what they do meeting. I am not controversial. I'm not controversial. I like it like that I mean, he's de@initely getting old. There's something going on But there's also something about this clip where you're like watching and it's like what the fuck reality tv show planet Do I live on it's totally bizarre. This is amazing [01:26:03.300] Rebecca Hargraves: I like how people are trying to pinpoint what his health problems are his health problem is being 80. Okay [01:26:09.380] Dave Reilly: And eating mcdonald's three meals a day. I'm sorry, you know, I like I like a nice Big mac Maybe once every three months [01:26:18.980] Rebecca Hargraves: Filet of @ish for me. Whoa. I don't know what to tell you. It's a good @ish sandwich. Whoa [01:26:23.620] Guest: time out every [01:26:25.700] Rebecca Hargraves: Filet of @ish. I would say on an annual basis. I will get a @ilet of @ish. Yeah, maybe during lent I I just like a good @ish sandwich. It's a it's a @ine @ish sandwich An unsweet iced tea This is weird a @ilet of @ish. Uh-huh [01:26:41.860] Dave Reilly: Yeah, I don't I don't even understand. Are you even white? Episode 93 [01:26:44.980] Rebecca Hargraves: Yeah, let's @ish sandwich. That's like a very english thing. Yeah, they're not crispy though. They're they're crispy. No, they're not They're good. No, it's mushy. You get a good @ish sandwich from mcdonald's. Yeah, but they don't make good @ish sandwiches They make shitty @ish sandwiches. Every tenth mcdonald so like once in a decade. I will get a like a delicious [01:27:05.300] Dave Reilly: This is not something I do free and it's like enough to just keep you on the hook. You keep trying [01:27:10.100] Rebecca Hargraves: Yeah, you won't get another good sandwich for 10 years. I never eat fast food Whenever i'm in california, I'll go to in and out burger, but I I almost never eat fast food. Mm-hmm road trips sometimes [01:27:20.580] Dave Reilly: Yeah, yeah, I have a problem whenever i'm on the road. I'll eat mcdonald's because it's like at least you know You're getting some nice human meat and you know, it's well cooked You gotta get that human meat. You gotta know you gotta know what you're eating, you know, you are what you eat [01:27:33.620] Guest: um [01:27:34.580] Dave Reilly: It's people but yeah, I mean this uh, dude the zinus are on suicide watch right now. Oh, yeah [01:27:40.420] Rebecca Hargraves: Ben Shapiro is self-destructing. It's it's hilarious. I would like to see [01:27:43.620] Dave Reilly: Pastor paul van ooy and stefanie fetzer and erin bernard and lucky and all these people I would like to see them disavow donald trump for not disavowing tucker for doing an interview with nick puentes [01:27:53.780] Rebecca Hargraves: Because that's how this works. I'm so checked out of this local politics thing and then you just had to bring me back [01:27:59.780] Dave Reilly: With this with this event. We're just getting local events local politics is just getting started. We're just ramping up [01:28:05.780] Rebecca Hargraves: We're gonna go. I want it said. I want it on the record. That's what you say when you play clips They're totally not related to what we're talking about. I want it on the record I don't give a shit about any of this local politics stuff. I want no part of this But you're gonna no stop dragging me into this shit. Listen. I don't care [01:28:22.660] Dave Reilly: Listen The exploratory committee is reaching a verdict That's all I can say. I can't say anything [01:28:32.500] Rebecca Hargraves: Because nothing has been declared yet. I feel like you're not listening to me. I don't care I don't care about any of this. I'm just letting you know it takes every ounce. I have I'm just letting you know make this show and then you're just trying to stretch me further Give more of my of my energy my remaining youthful life source Which is limited into local politics that I don't care about. I don't care. Stop involving me Episode 93 [01:28:59.300] Dave Reilly: I'm just saying that the polling from the exploratory [01:29:02.660] Rebecca Hargraves: Committee is starting to look no, you're not doing this to me. You're not doing this to me. No, no, no No, yesterday he texted me. He's like should I run for governor of Idaho and I said No, I don't No, I need you I need all of all of you all of your ad energy is focused on production of the backlash Don't do this to me. Don't bring me into a campaign. We need to make Idaho great again [01:29:29.700] Dave Reilly: I don't know what to tell you but brad liberal as that's what I call him brad liberal [01:29:34.660] Rebecca Hargraves: He's last in this little but I call him brad liberal. I feel like you don't hate yourself as much as you should Like Dave Riley needs more self-hatred. Let us know in the comments or of course send super chat It's just gonna diaper your energies from the back. No, no, no, no. See this is gonna open it up [01:29:51.460] Dave Reilly: I'm gonna go on I'm gonna go on tim pool and I'm gonna promote the backlash [01:29:57.060] Rebecca Hargraves: From tim pool. I will say that your delusions of grandeur Have helped this podcast in myriad ways. So I don't want you to you know in that part of yourself I just want you to invest your delusional self into the show [01:30:12.740] Dave Reilly: Get me out of here. It'll be good. All right. We've got a couple more Sponsors to thank antelope hill publishing. They are @ighting to keep history alive against a regime of anti-white censorship They are equipping a new generation of dissidents with the information that they need to @ight and win Their varied catalog includes the newly updated and expanded third edition of dr. 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Oh, it was just Interview crack i'm listening to it. Although he did plug you and he didn't plug me What he's like and my co-host dot no cameron He's like my co-host on the backlash dav riley and then he said it again Like what is this? Come on cameron. Okay [01:31:59.300] Dave Reilly: I am the heart of the show and it's so funny too because camp like whenever we're in our production meetings It's just like yeah, let's get rid of dav on the thumbnails get him out of here back Episode 93 [01:32:10.020] Guest: On pete show [01:32:11.540] Rebecca Hargraves: I host a nationalist back back our podcast the backlash with dav riley. I think he said that like a chop liver I know jeez. Cameron. Come on. However. It was like interview crack. I enjoyed every single moment of it Cameron is a humble man and he is so shit at self promotion [01:32:29.940] Dave Reilly: Oh, yeah, I know that's why I published this from well because pete's on private. Yeah, you can't retweet pete We're not on private. So check out at real backlash. We got to bring pete back on the show by the way This was such a great interview. I love I love and avow everything ever done by pete canyones and the old glory club How about that? [01:32:48.500] Rebecca Hargraves: Why would you ever say that? I don't know why they're great. I know but [01:32:53.060] Dave Reilly: I don't think he's done any. I don't think he's ever done anything that [01:32:56.580] Rebecca Hargraves: Nothing could go wrong from science [01:32:59.940] Dave Reilly: We also have to That's it. No, no, no, we have to give a big shout out to above time coffee roasters. They are excellent wonderful the best small batch hand roasted coffee that you can @ind on planet earth and They're pro white So please support them at above time coffee dot com and you can use promo code backlash 10 and get 10 off your order. 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Let's let's round it out here, buddy After you this is the backlash we're gonna have an excellent show on wednesday You can @ind us here follow us on twitter at real backlash all of our links are at the backlash dot net slash subscribe Is that right? That's it. I'll see you on wednesday. I'll be having a better hair day. Bye guys [01:35:23.220] Guest: So So [01:36:23.220] Dave Reilly: So So [01:37:23.220] Guest: So