Episode 106 — From Florida To Venezuela: James Fishback Joins Us & The Truth About Venezuela

Episode 106 ? From Florida To Venezuela_ James Fishback Joins Us & The Truth About Venezuela Backlash Ep. 106 — From Florida To Venezuela_ James Fishback Joins Us & The Truth About Venezuela [0:02:46] Rebecca: Welcome to the Backlash, a weekly explora4on of America's Awakening. Thank you all for joining us. I am your host, Rebecca Hargraves. Join us always by Mr. Dave Riley. How are you doing, Dave? Oh, I'm doing great. How are you? I'm just great. Wonderful. How was your weekend? Oh, it was just a beau4ful weekend. I'm just in the best mood of my life. Yeah, you are. [0:03:05] Guest-1: I just came in and slapped me on the back and I almost died. Yeah, I'm radia4ng pure joy today. I sound like I'm being face4ous, but I'm just. No, she's really happy. And we're going to be nice about it. [0:03:16] Dave: We're not going to rub anybody's noses in it. What are you talking about? We're not going to rub anybody's noses in it. My mom's like, don't talk about this publicly. [0:03:23] Rebecca: I'm like, I'm not going to. You can find us on X. Wait, you're not going to introduce Cameron. Oh, yeah. Hi, Cameron. Hello, Cameron. Cameron looking par4cularly menacing. [0:03:34] Rebecca: The Gossip Girls. I know. I know it is my one true failure. I have many failings, but the gossip is it's not great. It's not great. You can find us on X, Avril backlash, our website, the backlash.net. Support us on subscribe, star dot com slash the backlash. Patreon dot com slash slash backlash. Send your super chats that will be read live at the end of our show to the backlash.net slash super chat. Unfortunately, or my YouTube channel, unfortunately, on Wednesdays, we do ten dollars and up because otherwise the show just gets too long. It gets way too long. It just gets too long. Cameron needs to go night and night. Yeah, you got to go blanky mode with her friends. [0:04:11] Rebecca: Mom's got to send me to bed. That's true. I do. I do. [0:04:15] Rebecca: Follow us on YouTube at real backlash on rumble backlash podcast. And by the way, on rumble, if you see here on the right hand side, [0:04:23] Dave: there's a new liTle buTon, the 4p buTon. This allows you to send Bitcoin and cryptocurrency to us directly on rumble using rumble wallet, which I've been promowing here for a while. So big shout out to rumble for integra4ng Bitcoin. And if you send $5 a month to us, you can get us to our minimum necessary income of $120,000 a year. [0:04:48] Guest-1: Make sure you're subscribed on YouTube. And without further ado, are we are we ready to go? Yeah, we're ready to go. I think we're ready to go. Let's do it. Tonight, we've got a very special guest joining us all the way from the Sunshine State down in Florida. The one and only James Fishback is with us. [0:05:05] Dave: He's running an insurgent campaign against is it Byron Donald's down there in Florida and also the lieutenant governor of Florida. Episode 106 [0:05:14] Dave: So welcome to the program. We just found out, actually, that you you had just taped, I guess, with Tucker Carlson. So a big two hour interview with you and Tucker is going to be coming out soon. [0:05:28] Dave: That's right. I think I expect to be here. And yes, it is an insurgent campaign. But I tell you, on the ground, the momentum is real. We had 50 people RSVP for an event just a couple of days ago in Tampa. [0:05:39] Guest-1: Over 200 showed up all standing room only. This is a campaign for folks who recognize that the America first movement [0:05:47] Dave: isn't near the end. It's near the beginning. And I'm in this race to fight for a state that my family is known for four genera4ons. We're done. Hand in money overseas. No country is going to be exempted from that. [0:05:58] Guest-1: We're done being told that we have to apologize for being anything other than ourselves, and we have to be very serious about the threats that our country faces, not just from big government, but also from big corpora4ons. [0:06:10] Rebecca: Can I ask you what inspired you to transi4on from a career in finance to running for governor? Well, gosh, it's. When you say transi4on that way, you almost triggered me with the transgenderism. [0:06:25] Rebecca: My pronouns did not change. But I, you know, I was running an investment firm [0:06:31] Guest-1: and I've been in the investment world now for the past decade. And I just saw this race as something where I couldn't let this happen to my state. I wouldn't be running if Ron DeSan4s could run for a third term. Sadly, he's term limited. I wouldn't be running if Byron Dolls was not a feckless America last loser. I'm right because there's no one that has an American first division. No one who recognizes that, yeah, Florida is the best state in the country. No offense. But that means nothing if the people who made it the best state can no longer afford to live here. And so I'm figh4ng to make life a liTle easier and a lot more affordable. President Trump is right. The Democrats have no business using that word like Zoran does. Affordability, this affordability, that they're the ones who gave us the worst infla4on in 40 years. But I'm running because I have a real plan to make life more affordable. That starts starts with banning Blackstone, BlackRock, Airbnb [0:07:22] Rebecca: and foreign na4onals from buying our home. President Trump took an important step toward that on the federal level. And I'll do that at the state level here as governor. It also means standing up for good pay and jobs for locals. [0:07:33] Guest-1: Right now, if you're a kid, you didn't study gender studies, but did STEM, science, technology, engineering, math, you can't get a job. It was given to H1B workers from India or China. And so I think the core of affordability isn't just being able to afford to live, but afford to start a family to marry a Godfearing woman, have Godfearing children and to live out the full arc of the American dream here. Episode 106 [0:07:54] Rebecca: I hear you use the term America first preTy freely. Do you have a personal associa4on with Nick Fuentes? I do not. [0:08:02] Rebecca: Right. We have seen you. [0:08:03] Dave: You you donned the America first hat, the blue hat. We saw that there was a big crowd of people. [0:08:09] Dave: What is your opinion of Nick Fuentes? [0:08:13] Dave: Well, I got to say, I'm a big supporter of free speech in this country. I think if anyone disagrees with something that he or anyone else says, they are free to start a blog and op-ed or put up a tweet of their own. [0:08:27] Guest-1: What I think it's most important is that we reject censorship that the lec used against us during COVID during the 2020 elec4on, which I'm sorry, Joe Biden was not free and fair and perfect. So if you have an issue with anything that guy says, then I would encourage anyone and everyone to make your voice known and try not to cancel and censor and to in4midate. Our country was built on free speech. It's the First Amendment for a reason. And that's, I think, the mo4ve. I mean, Laura Loomer is crashing out right now because Tucker Carlson interviewed me yesterday for two hours [0:08:58] Rebecca: and she said that that is somehow an4-free speech. No, that's exactly pro- free speech. [0:09:03] Guest-1: I think what we need to do as Americans is welcome poli4cal disagreements and not hate one another and be thinking differently from one another. Right. Now, you have come out with some very interes4ng policy posi4ons. [0:09:14] Dave: Correct me if I'm wrong, but Florida is a big investor in Israeli bonds. [0:09:21] Dave: What is your thought on that? Should we divest from these types of sketchy foreign investments? What should the rela4onship between the state of Florida and Israel look like? [0:09:32] Dave: Well, I would say that any foreign investment is by defini4on sketchy. [0:09:38] Guest-1: And so my view is that Florida should not invest any money in any foreign country. That money should be invested in communi4es right here from Mariana to Miami, Pensacola to Pahokia. And so it's rather interes4ng that the Florida State Pension Fund explicitly bars us from buying the government bonds, which is to say lending money to foreign countries with one excep4on. [0:10:02] Guest-1: We know what that excep4on is. That's Israel. And so my view was actually that we should just divest from any foreign country and every foreign country. And it turns out the only foreign country that we're allowed to invest in per the state pension funds framework is Israel. Every other country is off limits. Episode 106 [0:10:19] Rebecca: So my first execu4ve order as governor, execu4ve order number one, [0:10:25] Rebecca: is to divest the $385 million that was foolishly sent to a foreign country. [0:10:30] Guest-1: I don't care if it was Israel, it could be any foreign country. It's coming back home. And then the second we do that, we're star4ng a $385 million statewide down payment assistance program. We're going to help young married couples buy their first home. If you are a young married couple and one of you is working full-4me and you've lived in Florida for the last five years, [0:10:50] Rebecca: there is a $10,000 check with your name on it because you deserve to be able to buy a home. You're doing everything right. [0:10:57] Cameron: You're young. You're married. You've got a full-4me job. You're contribu4ng to your community. Why don't we let our people buy homes [0:11:04] Rebecca: as opposed to Blackstone, BlackRock, and Airbnb idiots? [0:11:07] Rebecca: Yeah, it's super interes4ng seeing that. [0:11:10] Dave: I don't know if you saw Blackstone's stock fell like what, 5%, 10% today on the news. I love to see it. Love to see these super financial people suffer, frankly, [0:11:23] Dave: especially someone my age. I'm very lucky I have a house, but most of the people my age are ren4ng, unable to afford to buy a home, and they're delaying childbirth because they want to be financially stable. Now, what is your thoughts on the white race? What do you think about white people and suppor4ng white people, white iden4ty? What are some of your thoughts on this? Because, as you know, with affirma4ve ac4on, DEI, and all of this, what was the other one? It was DEI and race, cri4cal race theory. Cri4cal race theory. That's it. Cri4cal race. There's been a lot of aTack on white men for a long 4me. What's your thoughts on this? [0:12:03] Rebecca: My thoughts are the truth. This country was built by young white men, and the second we stop apologizing for that, we start winning again. As governor, I'm never going to let people, least of all public school teachers, push white guilt on our kids. There's going to be no apologizing [0:12:18] Guest-1: from the white kids to the black kids, and there sure is hack, not going to be any teachers telling the black kids [0:12:23] Rebecca: that there's something somehow wrong with them. We are all created in God's image. All Americans deserve the ability [0:12:29] Guest-1: to go to school, to get a job, and without being discriminated against [0:12:35] Guest-1: for the color of their skin. You know, it's interes4ng that the right has conceded to the lec that systemic racism doesn't exist. [0:12:44] Rebecca: Rather chung and chicly, I think systemic racism does exist. It is quite literally systemic, systema4c, and codified into law that if you are a white Chris4an male, Episode 106 [0:12:52] Guest-1: you get absolutely nothing, and if you complain about it, you definitely get nothing. [0:12:57] Dave: And so I think we have to be very honest that the ins4tu4ons that have been hijacked, [0:13:01] Rebecca: yes, by the lec, but honestly, I don't, I don't, they call them the woke right, but I just, I don't want to use any term that could be hijacked by someone else. But let's put it this way, members of the right who are ac4ng woke, which is to say embracing censorship, embracing iden4ty poli4cs. That a lot of people now say that since Jewish people are oppressed, in their words, that we need to incorporate Jewish iden4ty into DEI. No, we need to burn DEI to the ground and actually embrace the meritocracy that our founding fathers started 250 years ago. [0:13:36] Guest-1: And that's a system, by the way, where you actually allow people to get ahead and you don't shame a young white man for just being himself. [0:13:45] Guest-1: Do you think it's important for Heritage Americans to con4nue to have a majority stake in this country, like for us to get the popula4on of the United States, [0:13:53] Rebecca: the white popula4on of the United States, up to 90% or more? [0:13:57] Rebecca: I think it's important to preserve the iden4ty of Heritage Americans. I think it's important to not let us be replaced. The truth is, I don't want to vote for any Republican in 0.26. I don't care if we lose the House or lose the Senate or whatever histrionic garbage they're going to push on us. If a Republican wants your vote and he refuses to say that the great replacement is real, do not vote for them. The great replacement is not a conspiracy theory. It is happening every single day in our country. We have to stop it. If we don't, we will lose our country. People like Vivek Ramaswamy have the unmi4gated goal, [0:14:36] Guest-1: the unfeTered intrependency and the unencumbered audacity to come here as an anchor baby, not wear shoes, refuse to wear a fork, wear a fork, he would say wear a fork, use a fork is what we would say. [0:14:47] Guest-1: Come here and come here and say that no, the reason why tech companies won't hire you is because white men, [0:14:54] Dave: you are lazy, you are stupid, you need to get off the couch, as Ben Shapiro told the guest [0:14:59] Rebecca: at M Fest and work hard or no, this system is designed for Americans to fail. There is no hope for Americans right now. There is hope for illegals. They'll get a bunch of free crap. There's hope for the H-1Bs. They'll get a job. [0:15:12] Guest-1: There's hope for the mul4-billion-dollar corpora4ons. They'll get another great fourth-quarter earnings number Episode 106 [0:15:16] Rebecca: by screwing over our workers by replacing them with cheap foreign slave labor. There's no hope for actual American ci4zens. And so my view is very simple. The great replacement of Americans is real. I am running for Florida governor to stop it. And the way you stop it is you actually prohibit employers from, yes, hiring foreign labor that's here illegally, but you need to create an ac4ve deterrence from them employing foreign labor that's here legally. I'm sorry, guys. An invasion of our country is an invasion of our country. Whether the Democrats and Republican losers in Washington, DC blessed it is irrelevant. [0:15:52] Guest-1: The Somalians, and yes, I'm going to keep calling them Somalians. The Somalians are here legally. They need to go. [0:16:00] Dave: The Hai4ans that have infested my state are here legally. They need to go. The Afghan refugee, Sikko, who shot two of our Na4onal Guardsmen one night before Thanksgiving in Washington, DC, he was here legally. Oh, thanks, by the way. Congressman Byron Donalds and Joe Biden [0:16:16] Rebecca: who passed Congressman Donalds voted yes on the Allies Act, which in July 2021 lowered the vekng requirements for Afghan Sikkos to come into our country on the slanderous lie that they somehow helped us in Afghanistan. [0:16:31] Dave: Now, the only ones who helped us in Afghanistan were the men and women in uniform from all over my statement [0:16:36] Rebecca: across this country who went there to serve our na4on. And so enough with the idea that foreign labor, [0:16:43] Guest-1: if it's legal, it's allowed to be here. As Florida governor, [0:16:46] Rebecca: I'm going to tell any company large or small that if you have a state contract and you have H-1Bs, you no longer have a state contract. They're having a leTer on the first day and there's going to be no nego4a4ng. You either get to keep your state contract worth $20 million or you get to keep your state issued H-1Bs. Your choice, no nego4a4ng. We have to play hardball with these companies because in their mind, they love the foreign labor because they can work them double, pay them half, and if they screw up, they can just deport them. [0:17:16] Guest-1: They don't want to deal with pesky Americans who want things like maternity leave [0:17:19] Dave: and not to work on Sunday because in Florida, we worship an awesome God. [0:17:23] Rebecca: No, they want to screw over workers and that's not the way the system works. For the longest 4me, these last couple of years, we've had CEOs in the Chamber of Commerce tell us that no, Americans don't want these jobs. That's a lie. Americans don't want these jobs at the below market slayed wages that you're insis4ng on paying them. Americans will always work Episode 106 [0:17:44] Guest-1: for an honest days wage every single 4me. But these companies don't want to do that. They're obsessed with GDP and their stock price and earnings per share. They don't want to do the right thing which is to pay a market-based wage to our workers. [0:17:55] Rebecca: As for the governor, I'll make sure that everybody in our state earns a market- based wage and that means pushing out companies. [0:18:00] Guest-1: I'm happy to do it. Based. Very based. Now, we've got, this is kind of a longer ques4on [0:18:06] Dave: to set this up real quick. [0:18:08] Dave: I've got a clip here from an interview that you did just prior to announcing your run for governor [0:18:15] Dave: that we're going to play really quickly. Hopefully you can hear it. Derved on X recently, there was somebody who had seen a number of your interviews [0:18:23] Cameron: on our program and you've been hikng the media circuit a lot lately. And they said you were somebody who had the values and the vision and the ideas [0:18:29] Dave: they'd love to see in the governor's mansion in Florida. So James Fishback, are you thinking about running for governor in the Sunshine State? [0:18:37] Dave: MaT, Florida has been my home [0:18:39] Guest-1: since that day I was born. I grew up in South Florida. I live in the Panhandle now. This state has given me so much and I'll tell you, [0:18:44] Rebecca: Governor DeSan4s is an extraordinary leader for the last nearly eight years, has created something that has been the envy of not just America, but the world. And I think whoever replaces Governor DeSan4s should be able to preserve and build on that legacy. I'm thinking about it. Not going to make any news tonight, MaT, but I'm going to talk more with leaders across our state, Republicans and even Democrats to get a beTer sense of what direc4on they want the state to go and that I got to tell you, we got to preserve what Governor DeSan4s did in Tallahassee and for everyone in the Sunshine State. [0:19:14] Dave: So just out of curiosity, [0:19:19] Dave: everybody has talked about how Ron DeSan4s, I mean what he did during COVID and giving officers the ability to fight back against BLM and making it a conserva4ve stronghold. [0:19:29] Dave: But Governor DeSan4s has also done a number of things that I find kind of problema4c. God bless you. [0:19:37] Dave: One of these things is this legisla4on [0:19:41] Dave: that the governor, he flew to Israel to sign a bill to further combat an4semi4sm. He's also released statements saying, quote, Nazis are not welcome in Florida. Episode 106 [0:19:56] Dave: He gave that to an interview with the Alger minor. [0:20:00] Dave: He also added a defini4on of an4semi4sm to Florida law namely the IHRA defini4on of an4semi4sm which basically means that any cri4cism of the state of Israel comparing BB Netanyahu to Nazis comparing what they're doing to the Pales4nians in Gaza to the Holocaust and whatnot, basically making all of that textbook defini4on an4semi4sm. [0:20:26] Dave: He also has a very wide ranging bill that was signed into law. I think just in 20, started in 16 and was expanded in 2025, a BDS law, [0:20:38] Guest-1: an an4-boycoT divestment and sanc4on law. [0:20:42] Dave: This, of course, kind of shoe horns in to what you were talking about from dives4ng from these Israeli bonds. I guess my ques4on is [0:20:51] Dave: what's your real thoughts on disanzis? Will you condemn these ac4ons? Will you condemn the an4semi4sm bills that he has signed into office? Will you, [0:21:01] Dave: are you willing to call him out? [0:21:05] Dave: Well, what I'm willing to do as Florida governor is I will never enforce any of those laws because they're blatantly uncons4tu4onal. To cri4cize the Israeli government [0:21:13] Guest-1: is protected under the First Amendment just as it is to cri4cize the American government. The idea that you could be arrested for cri4cizing President Trump? [0:21:22] Guest-1: Really? I mean, that's clearly protected speech. And so if that's protected speech, calling BB Netanyahu a war criminal or a depraved world leader would also be protected under the First Amendment. [0:21:32] Dave: And so I think as conserva4ves, Americans, [0:21:34] Rebecca: we should condemn all forms of religious hate. [0:21:37] Dave: But I'm not going to sit here and pretend that cri4cizing Israel, cri4cizing Netanyahu, which literally deserves [0:21:44] Rebecca: plenty of cri4cism on any given day of the week, [0:21:47] Dave: but that somehow is illegal and you could be convicted of it. The sad part is [0:21:51] Guest-1: it's state statute 10105 is exactly what the lec [0:21:55] Rebecca: would have done if they were in power with a different iden4ty group. [0:22:00] Guest-1: I'm running because no one, no one should be punished [0:22:03] Rebecca: for cri4cizing our government or any government. So to come full circle and answer your ques4on, I'll never enforce those laws as governor. The chief execu4ve is in charge Episode 106 of enforcing the laws of the legislature passes. I would not have signed those into law if I were governor at the 4me. [0:22:17] Guest-1: I won't enforce them if I am governor. And I'll work with the legislature to repeal them because they're blatantly viola4ng First Amendment. Do you think that this is a reflec4on on DeSan4s allegiances? [0:22:28] Guest-1: Not necessarily, actually. To get into some inside baseball, [0:22:31] Dave: that bill was introduced by none other than Randy Cheez-It Fine. And I call him Cheez-It Fine [0:22:36] Rebecca: because he called me a couple weeks before I ran and yelled at me [0:22:38] Guest-1: and he was clearly ea4ng a box of Cheez-It's. I know that because I ate Cheez- It's a lot in middle school and I can dis4nguish that between that in Pringles and other WiT's crackers. But the point of the maTer is, is that the inside baseball is that that bill was universally passed by Democrats and Republicans. And so had the governor not signed it, the Republican House, [0:22:57] Rebecca: Republican Senate would have just passed it on their own. And so I, you know, [0:23:01] Guest-1: I'm not going to sit here and, you know, play Monday morning quarterback. I respect the heck out of Governor DeSan4s and the First Lady. I think it's quite interes4ng, by the way, that when Net Yahu was here just a couple weeks ago, quite literally here in Florida last week, the fich visit to this country since Trump took office for a second 4me, that doesn't make any sense [0:23:18] Dave: on why that would be the case, but irrelevant [0:23:21] Guest-1: that the governor did not meet with them. In fact, someone by the name of Jay Collins, [0:23:24] Rebecca: we call him Jay Pak Collins. He met with him in a very slobbering way. [0:23:29] Guest-1: And then shortly acer video resurfaced of Jay Collins saying that you don't have a First Amendment right to hurt people with your words or to cri4cize Israel. And so it's rather fikng [0:23:39] Dave: that someone like Jay Collins would immediately meet with Net Yahu and then double down [0:23:43] Rebecca: that any sort of cri4cism of the Israeli government is not protected by the First Amendment. I want to make it very clear if Jay Collins is elected governor, he will arrest tens of thousands of Floridians for cri4cizing Benjamin Net Yahu. And that is a real threat [0:23:57] Dave: to the liberty of our state. Episode 106 [0:23:58] Dave: Yeah, and this photo was actually just from a couple of weeks ago. Jay Collins standing there with Governor DeSan4s at a Hanukkah celebra4on. [0:24:10] Dave: James, you're a Catholic. We're Catholics. What is your thoughts on Catholics aTending Hanukkah celebra4ons? Is that something that you would do as governor? [0:24:18] Dave: My thoughts are that I would never aTend any other religious celebra4on or service other than that [0:24:25] Rebecca: of my unapologe4c Chris4an faith. Very based. [0:24:28] Dave: I just wouldn't do it. I also, as a Catholic, [0:24:31] Guest-1: I would never aTend a gay wedding. I would never validate something that I knew in the Bible to use as sinful. I, that's just who I am and that's I think who Chris4ans are. And I think if we're going to play games and show up to Hindu temples [0:24:42] Rebecca: and Hanukkah par4es, that's just not someone, something that I'm going to do. [0:24:45] Dave: What I've actually said that I'm going to do is I'm going to work to overturn the disastrous Supreme Court decision alleging the ACLU, which banned na4vity scenes. My fich execu4ve order as governor is going to be to commission large na4vity scenes put on by local parishes [0:25:01] Rebecca: at government buildings all across the state, state-owned government buildings. And when the ACLU or CARE [0:25:06] Guest-1: tries to sue us in federal court, we welcome that and we will win at the US Supreme Court because if there's one thing that's President Trump has given us, it is three, depending on the day, maybe two consistently conserva4ve Supreme Court jus4ces. And so I look forward to installing na4vity scenes [0:25:22] Dave: that celebrate the fact that Christ is our King that he was born during the Advent season. And that is something that we are going to do. We are not going to apologize [0:25:30] Rebecca: for our Chris4an heritage as a state. [0:25:32] Rebecca: Now, another ques4on is, [0:25:34] Dave: you know, because with all of this legisla4on that has been passed, and like I said, [0:25:38] Dave: this thing that he flew all the way to Israel to sign, it wasn't just DeSan4s. There was like a whole team of people behind him, including a woman. I think her name is Chris4na Pushaw. [0:25:48] Dave: What are your thoughts of Chris4na Pushaw? Does she have any connec4ons or a rela4onship with your campaign? Episode 106 [0:25:55] Dave: She doesn't. You know, I've found Chris4na to be a friend. [0:25:58] Cameron: I had dinner with her a couple of months ago [0:26:00] Rebecca: and stayed in touch with her. You know, what I would say [0:26:03] Dave: is that the DeSan4s administra4on by and large [0:26:05] Rebecca: has been incredibly successful opera4on. I think there's always [0:26:09] Dave: going to be disagreements within the staff about how something is done [0:26:12] Rebecca: or why it wasn't done a certain way. But I would judge the governor by what he's done for our state consistently [0:26:17] Dave: in educa4on, especially during COVID. And then on the Israel ques4on, [0:26:21] Rebecca: I certainly would not have met who like Jay Collins did. And neither did the governor. The governor passed up that mee4ng. Sounds like Jay Collins took up the RSVP invite because he's an ankle fighter and he wants all the aTen4on [0:26:32] Dave: he can get. But there will be no [0:26:34] Dave: fishback administra4on [0:26:36] Guest-1: mee4ng of any number of the Israeli government under any condi4on. We have no business going there [0:26:41] Dave: mee4ng with them. Here's the fact, [0:26:43] Rebecca: the first country that I'm going to visit is Florida governor [0:26:46] Guest-1: is going to be Brazil. We sell them $19 billion worth of stuff. [0:26:50] Rebecca: There are number one trading partner and I would want nothing more than to come back to my state and say we have a trade deal that creates 5,000 great paying [0:26:58] Guest-1: jobs over the next decade for high school grads, local people [0:27:01] Dave: in the airspace manufacturing field. That's what a governor [0:27:04] Rebecca: should be doing abroad. I can tell you right now, Jay Collins will be in Israel every six months if he is elected governor [0:27:10] Dave: because he has an allegiance to that country. [0:27:12] Rebecca: And look, our pledge is very simple. One na4on under God. That is this na4on under our God. And if you pledge allegiance, if you show up to other foreign countries and meet with their foreign leaders Episode 106 [0:27:22] Dave: and do their biddings by enforcing an4-semi4sm, an4-free speech laws, you have no business serving a state of 23 and a half [0:27:28] Guest-1: million people. [0:27:30] Guest-1: Now, I know that [0:27:31] Dave: we're on a liTle bit of a 4me crunch. We said that we'd only keep you for 30 minutes, just a couple of last-minute ques4ons here. So for this interview that you did with MaT Gaetz, I think you were at the Four Seasons Hotel when you filmed that. Was Chris4na Puschaw in the room with you when you did this interview? She was, actually. Yeah, so we had dinner [0:27:52] Rebecca: together right before that. And I stepped away to do [0:27:56] Dave: a interview with MaT Gaetz. That's actually in the lobby. [0:27:59] Guest-1: There's like a liTle cafe at the end of the lobby there. And so Chris4na was with me. [0:28:04] Dave: I stepped away and then we went back to dinner. [0:28:06] Dave: Okay, very interes4ng. [0:28:08] Dave: And I think there was one more thing. Ah, yes. [0:28:12] Dave: Asking on behalf of our good friend, Richard Spencer. I haven't filled out the mul4ple choice on this. So he wants to know what's going on here. Is James Fishback Persian, Jewish, Arab, or La4na? What should I fill out in this form? [0:28:29] Dave: I am American. I am unapologe4cally American. My father was born and raised in Florida. [0:28:35] Rebecca: My grandfather fought in World War II and ran caTle and fought Peter Science at FAU. My great-grandfather fought in World War I. So the Fishbacks have been here [0:28:46] Guest-1: since the mid-1700s. I'm proud of the fact that we are unapologe4cally American and conserva4ve human. Very based. [0:28:54] Guest-1: And then last ques4on. [0:28:56] Dave: Will you pledge [0:28:58] Dave: right now on the backlash? Whoa, right now. Right now. I need to get heads up. What is this pledge? Will you pledge to never sell [0:29:08] Dave: your email and voter registra4on list to the Ron DeSan4s campaign in 2030? [0:29:15] Dave: I will never sell [0:29:17] Rebecca: my email registra4on list to any presiden4al campaign Episode 106 [0:29:22] Dave: in any year of any poli4cal campaign. [0:29:25] Dave: Well, I mean, I guess specifically if he's aTemp4ng to run for governor again, because as well, probably not we all, right? There's a lot of people on the show that aren't aware that Florida has a term limit thing. He's served two consecu4ve terms as governor. He is term limited out. He can't run again, which is why he's running Byron Donalds. [0:29:43] Dave: But it seems like he wants to run again in 2030. [0:29:47] Dave: So there's been some talk that perhaps you are appealing to the young Gropers and aTemp4ng to bring them on board in order to deliver them up to Ron DeSan4s in the future. [0:30:00] Dave: That's a very interes4ng theory that has a number of polls in it. [0:30:04] Dave: I fully an4cipate running for governor in 2030 for reelec4on. [0:30:10] Dave: I would not sell the email addresses any candidate to any candidate, any race, anywhere. What is the polling looking like? Because I know that. [0:30:20] Dave: Oh, where is it? I had it. I had it here somewhere. [0:30:24] Dave: Where did it go? [0:30:26] Dave: Ah, here it is. According to internal polling from your campaign, you were leading Byron Donalds 43 to 29. But according to other sources, it says that you're polling only about 2% statewide in a different poll. [0:30:43] Dave: Yeah, polls as we learned in 2016 and 2020 and 2024, they're really, really wrong. So I'm not going to sit here and say because an internal poll from our campaign had us up by 10 [0:30:55] Rebecca: that were up by 10 or that a poll that was commissioned by Byron Donalds, the 2% poll, means that we're at 2%. I think the only poll that maTers is in August 18, 2026. And that's why if you're a Republican now or you're an independent or a Democrat but you're aligned with the American First Movement, [0:31:10] Guest-1: the number one thing you can do right now is register as a Republican [0:31:14] Dave: so you can vote in the primary. The truth of the maTer is, [0:31:16] Rebecca: that the next governor of Florida is going to be a Republican. That's just a mathema4cal certainty. And so if you wait un4l November to vote, you've allowed yourself to be disenfranchised by our closed primary system. My advice to anyone is, [0:31:28] Guest-1: if you want to have a say in who our next governor is [0:31:30] Dave: who will definitely be a Republican, you got to vote on August 18. It's me or the 8-pack slave Byron Donalds. It's me or the pro-H1B Byron Donalds. It's me or it's the guy who wants to turn the citrus groves and the caTle ranches Episode 106 [0:31:41] Rebecca: into AI data centers. And that is the choice. It's not about the who, it is about the why. Yeah. [0:31:46] Guest-1: No, this is something that I've been on. We've been trying to get Rebecca [0:31:50] Dave: to be poli4cally ac4ve for a very long 4me. She's been refusing to vote in the local elec4ons. I will not. [0:31:55] Rebecca: Women shouldn't vote. I'm not vo4ng. Listen, I'm a man. I'll tell you how to vote. No. [0:31:59] Guest-1: If your husband won't tell you how to vote, I'll tell you how to vote. I only have to be submissive [0:32:02] Rebecca: to my husband. I can tell you to get wrecked. [0:32:04] Rebecca: I'm not vo4ng. You can't make me. But we have a big thing. [0:32:07] Dave: And so while we have an audience here, there is a big deal coming up. And I've been advoca4ng for a revolu4on in the Republican Party. [0:32:15] Dave: The way that the Republican Party works, there are precinct commiTee officers. And if you don't run for those posi4ons, Zionists will get them. And we will see a thoroughly controlled Zionist Republican Party if people don't get involved. So anyway, he has a hot out. Thank you very much. It's been 30 minutes. God bless you. Thank you so much for joining us. [0:32:36] Dave: Thank you guys. Really appreciate it. Bye-bye. [0:32:39] Dave: Let's see here. Now I've got to do some screen shicing. Thank you very much for coming on. [0:32:45] Rebecca: I don't trust him. Yeah, it's interes4ng. It's interes4ng with all the stuff [0:32:50] Dave: because for those of you who watch the show [0:32:53] Dave: and are aware of some of what I have been up to here in Idaho, [0:32:59] Dave: I ran for governor back in 2022. And when I was running, it was not to win. It was to prove a point. It was to send a message that there's something called crossover vo4ng happening. And because I basically created a giant distrac4on by running for governor as a Democrat, [0:33:19] Dave: we forced Democrats that were registered as Republicans to go back into the Democrat Party. And we got two state representa4ves elected because of that. [0:33:29] Dave: And there are a lot of ques4ons about Fishback and where he comes from with the private equity stuff that he's involved in. [0:33:37] Dave: With this, I mean, he admiTed that Chris4na Pushaw was with him. You need to tell the audience why that's important. It's important because she's involved with the DeSan4s Episode 106 campaign. And right now, Byron Donalds and DeSan4s are at odds with one another. And this whole Jay Collins and Israel thing, right? If there is going to be a non-Israeli Republican in the state of Florida, well, then you wouldn't want Jay Collins to win either. But at the same 4me in 2030, when the DeSan4s campaign is going to be able to run another campaign, the Gropers are going to be even bigger and even more influen4al in 2030 than they are today. And so there are those out there, people like me who have worked in campaign strategy [0:34:26] Dave: where this could serve as a tes4ng ground, [0:34:30] Dave: as a way of war gaming, how to electorally defeat Gropers, as a way of pukng people up as proxies. They're running Nick Fuentes' talking points, and they're going to basically pen test. They're going to try to see what works against a Groper. How can we defeat these talking points? How can we defeat the America First Movement and push everybody back to a Ron DeSan4s-Rino Republicanism? Boy, his answers sure were slick. They were very slick. And his presenta4on is very good. He's a very good speaker. But man, I don't know. [0:35:09] Dave: Endorsement withheld un4l further no4ce, but he gives all the right answers. Yeah, he does. He does give all the right answers. I just don't trust poli4cians. I don't either. The way he was able to pivot with the DeSan4s thing [0:35:20] Rebecca: and not making it personal was expert. Yeah, he did not condemn DeSan4s. He would not condemn DeSan4s. [0:35:28] Rebecca: Oh, did we lose Cameron? No, Cameron's s4ll here. [0:35:30] Guest-1: Why do I see so many of me? Oh boy, maybe we did lose Cameron. [0:35:36] Guest-1: Let's do that again. [0:35:39] Guest-1: I hate it. That's so funny. [0:35:41] Dave: Well, Cameron will be back hopefully in a moment. I think he might have just turned off his video camera. Yeah, there he is. He's back. And I have to wonder why he took this interview. Well, and it's interes4ng too, right? He went on Beards and Beardly. Right. He went on, I think, something called the Gray Area. He's obviously going on Tucker Carlson. He is very clearly making all of the rounds with all of the DeSan4s people and aTemp4ng to co-opt as many of them to endorse him as possible. And again, imagine if, I mean, think about this, right? Just today, Fishback put out this tweet, as Florida governor, I will shut down every abor4on clinic in the state. This is equivalent of s4cking your dick in a giant hornet's nest because these women are crazy. And it's frankly not a popular campaign plank. I mean, there's a lot that needs to get done. And obviously, we're all against abor4on and we want to shut it down. But like here in Idaho, we've shut down abor4on. We got rid of all of it. There isn't a single Planned Parenthood in the state. [0:36:45] Dave: And we've criminalized people trafficking minors out of the state to get abor4ons. And we did all of that without the governor. We did that with the legislature. Episode 106 [0:36:55] Dave: So for him to come out as governor and poke the bear like this, he's going to get all the women against him. [0:37:02] Dave: You know, he's got the Jews against him. And it's not like Florida's liTle Israel. Come on. [0:37:06] Dave: So I'm skep4cal as to whether or not he can win. And if he is aTaching himself involuntarily to Nick Fuentes in a way that what's Nick supposed to do? He can't do anything. I mean, he went and put on the Nick Fuentes America First Hat. He associated himself with Nick. And so if he inten4onally loses the campaign by doing these extremely unpopular things like coming out and saying that he's going to, you know, totally eradicate abor4on, blah, blah, blah, [0:37:38] Dave: and he fails. Well, then the Republican consultants can go back to their people. They can go back to Ron Anderson and say, oh, see, look, Groporism isn't that popular. You can't win elec4ons as an America First candidate. Scrap it and let's go back to what works. And I'm just I'm concerned that there could be a play like that going on here. I know. [0:37:59] Rebecca: Karen, what's your analysis? [0:38:03] Rebecca: I mean, look, I don't know much about Mr. Fishback. [0:38:07] Cameron: He seemed to answer your ques4ons rela4vely fluidly. But I don't regard much of what he said is very substan4ve. I don't think it moves the needle. And I strongly disagree with Dave Riley. And I have from the beginning, the Republican Party is a dinosaur and needs to die. It shamelessly corrupt. It will never change. The groipers are an expression of the future. And that's the direc4on that we have to go in. The rest of it I can't speak to. I will say that Florida is one of the most corrupt states in the United States, unfortunately. And in order to become governor of that state, you have to capitulate to two lobbies, one being the South Florida Cuban lobby and the other being the South Florida Jewish lobby. That's just the way it works down there. So even that landscape, what should we expect? I don't think we should expect very much. Amen. Yeah. And of course, I've got this up on the screen. [0:38:59] Dave: I didn't play this. And to be very fair to Mr. Fishback, he did deal with this par4cular instance on Beardson Beardley's stream and he gave a good answer about it. Of course he did. He did write for the free press and was very close with Barry Weiss and very close with the dissidents. Perhaps I'm being uncharitable, [0:39:18] Rebecca: but I get strong snake vibes. Listen, my big thing is that as dissident, [0:39:25] Dave: right, alt, right, white, right, whatever you want to call us. We've been down this road before. Whatever name you want to call us, the thing is that we have been so under- marketed to, so under-pandered to, we have been ignored and systema4cally, you know, like look at what the FBI has done to people on our side. We did this interview on Monday with Chris4an Secor, who basically got black bagged acer January 6th. And so, you know, there are a lot of people out there that see somebody giving air to our grievances, somebody that's agreeing with us, somebody that has all of our posi4ons and, you know, we just fall over ourselves to endorse them, to say that this is our guy and whatnot. And I'm just saying, like, these poli4cians, Episode 106 these campaign consultant companies, they can be extremely fucking snakey. And they can skin suit you and they can make it look like they are your guy and they are not. And I don't know about Mr. Fishback. [0:40:28] Dave: I don't know what, where, how, you know, that 4me will tell. Time will tell. [0:40:35] Dave: So, you know, hey, listen, if you're in Florida, [0:40:39] Dave: you know, keep an eye out for his campaign, but also be aware that they're making lists. He is making a list. He's got an email list going. So... So, I'll just say one other thing. [0:40:48] Cameron: Back in 2022, I went down to Florida in part to, it was a fact-finding mission. [0:40:56] Cameron: I was looking for investment in my company at the 4me, but I was also hearing lots of folks talk about Florida [0:41:04] Cameron: as the load star of right-wing poli4cs in the United States. This is what I've heard. Some people s4ll believe that. And so, I was curious to go down and discover what Florida was all about. And I actually lived in Miami for about six months. And there aren't too many gringos like me living down in Miami, let me tell you. But what's vitally important to understand, and I spoke about this a couple episodes ago when we were talking about Venezuela, which we're going to talk about more in just a moment, but there is a deeply entrenched power structure down in Florida. It's no accident that Mar-a-Lago, which is where the president has his personal residence, [0:41:46] Cameron: tends to host events and entertains guests, a lot of whom are from the South Florida area. People like Epstein, who happened to live in West Palm Beach, not all that far from the president. In addi4on to that, the South Florida element is extremely influen4al in foreign affairs. And part of the driving force to this fiasco that's happening overseas are people like Marco Rubio, who emanate from that world. All that is to say that the future of American na4onalism is where Dave Riley and Rebecca Hargreaves are. It's in the Mountain West. It is not in Florida. Florida is absolutely a conquered territory. And that's why when you go down there, what people will say is the farther north you go, the farther south you go. They have a massive immigra4on problem down there. [0:42:35] Cameron: They have a massive iden4ty disaggrega4on problem down there, which is a fancy way of saying you got a lot of La4nos that are orchestra4ng a lot of power in this country to do things that have nothing to do with our interests. And that starts at about Orlando and goes all the way down south. In other words, we've got to look elsewhere for the future of this country, for a new movement, for a new party, all of the things that we've talked about on the backlash. Yep. And listen, before we close out this segment, [0:43:03] Dave: I must give a very special toast to our good friend. Is that Merlot? No, this is Cabernet Savignon. It's one of my favorites by Juggernaut. But I've got to give a very special toast to our friends, Benny and Basil, for helping with the research and all of this that we've done with the James Fishback interview. Cheers, Basil. Thank you for the help. Episode 106 [0:43:30] Dave: This is making me want to watch Sideways again. [0:43:32] Dave: Very nice. The greatest film ever made. Okay. And with that, shall we discuss what the fuck happened in Venezuela? I know, right? Holy shit. I'm so interested to hear Cameron's take. [0:43:43] Rebecca: We hardly talked about it offline because I think he's going to reassure me. I've been losing sleep over the situa4on. And it might not be that big of a deal. [0:43:53] Rebecca: Okay. [0:43:54] Rebecca: U.S. forces. Everybody knows this. To act, Venezuela sees Maduro. Did you see the picture of his wife today? [0:44:00] Dave: With the black eye? Yeah. Right? Hold on. [0:44:01] Guest-1: Let me see if I can pull that up. I don't know why I didn't link that. What's her name, Maduro? Celia Flores. Celia Flores. [0:44:09] Guest-1: As well as his son, two poli4cal leaders [0:44:12] Rebecca: and an alleged leader of an interna4onal gang. They were charged with crimes related to terrorism, drugs, weapons. Did you get it up? [0:44:19] Guest-1: No. Hold on. Hold on. How did this happen? [0:44:21] Rebecca: I saw it on X, I think. Let me put Celia Flores. There she is. There it is. [0:44:26] Dave: Look at this. Look at this. She does not look. [0:44:29] Dave: Look at the jowls. They don't have faceless, stoner, [0:44:31] Guest-1: votes. That's what you're no4cing? [0:44:32] Dave: That's what you're no4cing about this? Yeah. [0:44:35] Guest-1: That happens to women. Let's see what Trump says about the raid, his incoherent commentary on this. This is clip number one. And it was an amazing military feat that took place yesterday. [0:44:47] Rebecca: I think of it an amazing military. [0:44:53] Rebecca: The people are saying, well, thank you. [0:45:04] Rebecca: You know, people are saying it goes down with one of the most incredible. [0:45:08] Dave: It was so complex, 152 airplanes, many, many talking about boots on the ground. We had a lot of boots on the ground. But it was amazing. And think of it, nobody was killed. And on the other side, a lot of people were killed. Unfortunately, I say that. Soldiers, Cubans, mostly Cubans, but many, many killed. And they knew we were coming. And they were Episode 106 protected. And our guys weren't. You know, our guys were jumping out of helicopters and they're not protected. And they were. But it was so brilliant. The electricity for almost the en4re country [0:45:42] Guest-1: was boom, turned off. That's when they knew there was a problem. There was no electricity. [0:45:47] Rebecca: Caracas said there's no electricity. [0:45:50] Rebecca: The only people with lights were the people that had candles. [0:45:53] Rebecca: It was just off. Oh, Larry. So we sort of got them a liTle by surprise. [0:45:57] Dave: But it was brilliant. It was brilliant tac4cally. It was an incredible thing. [0:46:02] Dave: But I watched where Schumer, he's such a bad guy. I mean, I've known the guy for a long 4me. And he's such a bad guy. [0:46:12] Dave: You know, at some point, they should say, you know, you did a great job. Thank you. Congratula4ons. Wouldn't it be good? I would say that if they did a good job, their philosophy is so different. But if they did a good job, I'd be happy for the country. They've been acer this guy for years and years and years. [0:46:29] Dave: And you know, he's a violent guy. [0:46:32] Dave: He gets up there and he tries to imitate my dance a liTle bit. [0:46:37] Dave: But he's a violent guy. And he's killed millions of people. He's tortured. They have a torture chamber in the middle of Caracas that they're closing up. [0:46:48] Dave: But we thank you for watching. [0:46:49] Guest-1: Okay, before we get on, shut up, shut up. Before we get into the indictment, [0:46:54] Rebecca: which I don't want to cover too heavily, but Cameron, what legi4macy did the Maduro regime have? This is widely debated. I wanted to hear your take on this before we get into it. [0:47:05] Rebecca: Well, it's a false premise, right? [0:47:07] Cameron: Because we're talking about a region of the world that being La4n America that has been persistently unstable. And again, we talked about this a couple episodes ago. [0:47:17] Cameron: But whether you go back to the Spanish empires, or you go back before them, or you follow from about 1820, around that is when Mexico becomes independent, you're talking about an extremely unstable, vola4le and tumultuous region that really hasn't been effec4vely governed for a long 4me. And to the extent that it has been governed, it's largely been folks like Maduro. Now, all that being said, Episode 106 [0:47:43] Cameron: what we tend to do in the United States is what I would say is the karate kid level of analysis. [0:47:50] Cameron: Our guy is Daniel LaRusso. [0:47:54] Cameron: Oh. No. Oh, no. [0:47:58] Cameron: Cameron. We've got internet issues, it seems. [0:48:03] Dave: That's okay. Cameron, we'll be back shortly. [0:48:05] Guest-1: We will bring him back. Should we get into the analysis by Greyzone of the indictment? Would you like to talk about that? Yeah, absolutely. Why don't you pull up two for me? Let's see. Young sir. Absolutely. There you go. I'm high on the fishback interview because I thought it was going to get more conten4ous. No, there's no reason to be conten4ous. [0:48:23] Dave: You know, but we want to vet him, you know? It's like, I don't want to just, you know, see a guy that says like a couple of base things and then all of a sudden like bow down to him, you know? Like, we've been at this for a long 4me and people need to earn trust. People need to earn our vote. We've seen this movie before. Yeah, exactly. And by the way, speaking of earning your vote and whatnot, [0:48:42] Dave: I was talking with somebody because there is a big push now. [0:48:46] Dave: For people to abstain from vo4ng as a protest. If you are going to engage in that kind of behavior, and I think that you should, I think that you should weaponize your vote. [0:48:57] Dave: But don't just not show up to vote. Go there, pull out your ID, get the ballot, [0:49:05] Dave: and leave it blank. [0:49:07] Dave: Leave the ballot blank. Number one, it will totally screw up the vote counters. [0:49:13] Dave: They won't understand what's going on. But number two, there's no way to measure how dissa4sfied people are with the government if we just stop showing up to vote. So if you're going to weaponize your vote by abstaining from vo4ng in federal elec4ons, go get your ballot, vote local, and leave the rest blank. That's great advice. [0:49:36] Dave: Cameron's back. Cameron, please con4nue. [0:49:39] Dave: I'm sorry, folks. [0:49:40] Cameron: I'm having internet problems tonight, so I'll have to manage it the best way we can. Where did I leave off? [0:49:47] Cameron: Within the first 30 seconds. You were detailing all of the conquests you've had in your life. [0:49:54] Cameron: I'll try to be a liTle bit less long-winded than I am. Episode 106 [0:49:57] Cameron: The short of it, I think your ques4on, Rebecca, was, how legi4mate is this interven4on? What kind of organic support did Maduro have? And I began by saying that La4n America is a very fraught place. It's been persistently unstable for a long 4me. Okay, got it. We understand that. [0:50:16] Cameron: We tend to adhere to, in this country, [0:50:19] Cameron: a karate kid level of analysis, right? So our guys, Daniel LaRusso, and their guys, Cobra Kai. This is how we tend to operate. And unfortunately, that's just not the way the world works. Most countries around the world, including ours, are very complicated. You're going to find people that hate Maduro, that want them gone, a lot of whom live in South Florida. You're going to find a lot of people who feel differently. It all really depends. But the world that Maduro comes from is what's called Chavismo. And Chavismo goes back to Hugo Chavez. And Hugo Chavez is really part and parcel for what you get across La4n America. And that is a kind of festering populism against, not just foreigners from abroad, Yankees from the North, or Europeans more generally, but also a kind of Blanco Miento. And Blanco Miento, for those of you who don't know, means whitening. But what it really refers to is a kind of classicism that is orchestrated by a 4ny minority of white folks or peoples of European descent that tend to dominate or have dominated a lot of La4n America for a long 4me. That's essen4ally how a lot of these places have been governed. And Hugo Chavez led a revolu4on against this. You could argue that Castro did, too, to some degree in Cuba in 1959. This has been a persistent theme, and it is very definitely a racial conflict. Because if you look at Hugo Chavez, you look at Maduro, they do speak for the broader masses of Venezuelans, in this case, who tend to be more ethnic. They tend to be more Ameridian. And they wanted to na4onalize control of their resources. They didn't want foreigners or a 4ny minority of people who they don't consider legi4mately Venezuelan to monopolize control and power. So in that sense, Maduro has a lot of legi4macy, has a lot of support, and I think it's noteworthy that even the Trump administra4on acknowledges because they didn't regime change. They knew that gekng rid of Maduro was a risk, in part because he does have that support, because he does represent Chavismo. So they opted not to disrupt the regime to the extent that we're watching this today. So I think the answer to your ques4on is it's mixed. But he has enough legi4macy that we didn't tear apart the regime, and that says a lot. So do you think this is reflec4ve [0:52:45] Rebecca: of our understanding of their governing style? Because for me, this is reminiscent of Libya and Gaddafi, which seemed as though we did not understand the governing style or the popular support for Gaddafi. So do you think that there is this understanding because we did not regime change in this situa4on? [0:53:06] Rebecca: No, there is not. [0:53:08] Cameron: This is a goat fuck, and I apologize for using such vulgarity, but that is what it is. [0:53:18] Cameron: There's a document that was wriTen. It's called U.S. Interven4ons What For? by John Coatsworth. Dave, if you can find it, I recommend that you bring it up. Episode 106 [0:53:29] Cameron: This was an analysis of America's role in La4n America going all the way back to the Spanish-American War in 1898. And what he found, I'm going to read some of this to all of you so you have some historical context here, is that from 1898 to 1994, so basically 100-year period, the U.S. government has intervened successfully to change governments in La4n America a total of 41 4mes, or once every 28 months for an en4re 100-year period. Now, he goes forward and talks about how he qualified that. There are more interven4ons than 41. [0:54:10] Cameron: He filtered out a lot of interven4ons that were less than successful. For example, the Bay of Pigs, which was a catastrophe under the Kennedy administra4on that's well known. There are many, many, many regime changes or assassina4ons or elec4ons that we fixed, but this is the key takeaway, folks. Why? Why has all of this happened? Well, he has an answer. He says, and I quote here towards the end, he says effec4vely that the reason why we intervened in this region was because of a combina4on of domes4c poli4cal compe44on and poten4al future threats, even those with a low probability of ever materializing appear to explain most of the 20th century U.S. interven4ons. And then he finishes, it is difficult to escape the conclusion that U.S. interven4ons did not serve U.S. na4onal interests well. They generated needless resentment in the region and called into ques4on the U.S. commitment to democracy and rule of law in interna4onal affairs. In other words, we intervened in almost all of these cases, not because there was an existen4al threat to us. That was a summarily dismissed or refuted largely by the CIA. We did not intervene because of geopoli4cal chess. We intervened because of domes4c poli4cs. And ladies and gentlemen, that is what this is all about. My guess is, and I don't know this to be sure, but anecdotally and through various reports that I can glean, [0:55:43] Cameron: this interven4on in Venezuela was largely mo4vated by Marco Rubio's influence in the Trump administra4on. Remember at the moment, Marco Rubio is both the Secretary of State and he is the Ac4ng Na4onal Security Adviser. So he exerts a lot of influence over the president and he has wanted to regime change Maduro for some 4me and now there's open talk about poten4al regime change in Cuba as well, which is really what Marco Rubio's personal vendeTa is all about. Why did Donald Trump go along with this? This is the key takeaway in my opinion. Donald Trump is a bully. That's very clear. He is a bully worse than that. He's a narcissis4c bully. Worse s4ll, he's a narcissis4c bully who is increasingly seen now. [0:56:33] Cameron: Donald Trump is facing a lot of pressure right now. His poll numbers are falling. The economy is a mess. His MAGA agenda is stymied. In many cases, I think it's an outright failure. Without ques4on, the tariffs have been a failure. There is not a normaliza4on of rela4ons with the Russians. He did not end the war in Ukraine and we're on the verge of striking Iran all over again. [0:56:58] Cameron: All that is to say that with his own base, the America First MAGA cohort, if that's what you want to call it, he's losing airspeed and al4tude. So what does he do? He lobbies for some kind of a publicity stunt that can give him a short-term win, that can get some juice back in his campaign and maybe distract everybody from the total disaster that is his campaign or his administra4on domes4cally in the United States. That's what this is all about. And as evidence for my claim, all one has to do... [0:57:35] Cameron: Oh! Episode 106 [0:57:37] Rebecca: All one has to do. All one has to do. [0:57:39] Dave: Okay, somebody remember that so that when he comes back on, we can take up what we lec off. [0:57:43] Guest-1: I don't want to get too into the weeds on the indictment because it's so obviously insane. So please read this Blumenthal analysis of the indictment. [0:57:52] Rebecca: He just rips it apart. There's so much vague... [0:57:58] Rebecca: What's the word I'm looking for? [0:58:00] Rebecca: Well, I mean, the whole thing is just like it is... [0:58:03] Dave: And we should get it... When Cameron gets back, we'll probably get into all of our personal takes on the Venezuela thing. But we charged him with possession of having machine guns and conspiracy to acquire machine guns. And it's like, isn't this America? Don't we have a second amendment? [0:58:23] Dave: Blumenthal says finally the prosecutor stacked the indictment by charging Maduro with possession of machine guns, a laughable offense which could easily be applied [0:58:30] Rebecca: to hundreds of thousands of gun-loving Americans under the an4quated 1934 law. He also says in its bid to convict Maduro, the DOJ will undoubtedly struggle to overcome the conclusion it reached in an April 7th, 2025 memo by the ODNI that the Venezuelan leader did not control TDA, which he effec4vely dismantled through a mass of 2023. Military police raid on the Tokoran prison that served as the gang's base of opera4on. So these conclusions that were levying, these charges that were levying, they're easily dismantled. And we didn't care in Honduras. We didn't care in Ecuador when the 4es to government officials were much stronger, much more proven, when there was much more evidence. So I think everybody can look at this and say, this is not about drugs. Cameron. I was just to put a bow on the, [0:59:24] Dave: this is not about drugs thing. [0:59:27] Dave: There was a clip that I saw Blumenthal posted here. And here it is. We're not going to watch the whole thing, obviously, but like the first 30 seconds and it, you know, it shows you what a, just watch. [0:59:42] Dave: A ton of cocaine, pure cocaine, worth hundreds of millions, is smuggled into the United States. [0:59:47] Guest-1: Sound familiar? Not the way this ton of cocaine got here. [0:59:51] Rebecca: According to what the former head of the Drug Enforcement Administra4on told Mike Wallace, this drug shipment got here courtesy of what he calls drug trafficking by the CIA in partnership with the Venezuelan Na4onal Guard. While rumors of CIA involvement in drug trafficking have circulated for years, no one in the U.S. government has ever before publicly Episode 106 charged the CIA with this kind of wrongdoing. And it's not the kind of accusa4on anyone in government would make without thinking long and hard. [1:00:21] Rebecca: Anyway, there's a whole report on that [1:00:23] Dave: that was put out by, was it 60 minutes back in the day? Right, right. Before we get into the weeds, I really want to hammer home that this is not a regime change [1:00:30] Rebecca: and this was a calculated decision by the Trump administra4on to not ini4ate a regime change. Well, there is no regime change. [1:00:36] Dave: Maduro's number two is in charge. Yes, it's Delcey Rodriguez and she is VP, but she's powerful beyond her status. [1:00:44] Rebecca: She has authority over the economy, ministry, state, oil company. Her brother is a player in parliament. [1:00:52] Rebecca: He's speaker and spokesperson for the government. She has strong rela4onships with Chinese Russians. She's one of the same, right? [1:00:58] Guest-1: There is no regime change. There is a clip I wanted to watch. [1:01:01] Guest-1: Do we have it? It's clip seven. If you could play two. [1:01:04] Dave: Number seven. Two, 11, 16. Do we know where Cameron lec off? We'll play this. Wait, wait, the next one, sorry. The clip eight? Ah, this one. [1:01:12] Rebecca: Ah, see what I did there? Whoops, sorry. This is Anya Parampel on Judge Knapp. It was an excellent analysis. If you have 4me, please watch the en4re thing. [1:01:21] Rebecca: When, again, when Rubio and Trump get up there and say mission accomplished, the reality is there is no evidence that the regime itself has been dislodged from power. [1:01:32] Rebecca: Delcey worked under Maduro. She is the vice president. She is the person that should cons4tu4onally serve at the moment. There hasn't been a real regime change. So are those forces that the United States have been sanc4oning and aTacking for years now going to step aside and let the United States come in? I don't know. But I think Trump and Rubio, when they get out there and say they're controlling everything, have clearly spoken too soon. And Americans who think that Delcey Rodriguez and what's s4ll there of the government or the regime are just going to easily play ball with the United States, don't really know anything about the country. [1:02:13] Guest-1: Here's what Trump said on you. That's absolutely true. [1:02:17] Rebecca: There does not seem to be popular support in Venezuela. And all I was seeing that day is free Venezuela clips over and over and over again. If you want to play a clip on that. Episode 106 [1:02:30] Rebecca: I've got this, which is tweeted five hours ago. [1:02:33] Guest-1: This is the fourth straight day of pro-Maduro protests. [1:02:38] Guest-1: So the people are turning out in Venezuela [1:02:42] Dave: in support of Maduro. Right. So you haven't really changed anything. [1:02:49] Dave: The Kami government s4ll in power. [1:02:52] Dave: So before we talk about Paul Singer, [1:02:56] Rebecca: because that is such a Margot Rubio. That's another angle. Well, it's the angle, I think. Before we talk about that, I want to know is the Trump administra4on delusional? Let's play three and then see what Trump said about oil and Venezuela on truth social. Why is he using truth social? That's his program. It's his plaporm. Of course he's using. [1:03:15] Dave: How much money did he make from that? Go ahead. No, he made the money from the crypto scams. What are you talking about? Let's go. [1:03:21] Dave: China, Russia, and Iran have interests in Venezuela. [1:03:24] Rebecca: How does this opera4on affect your rela4onships with them? Well, in terms of China and Russia, [1:03:30] Rebecca: well, Russia, when we get things straightened out, [1:03:34] Dave: but in terms of other countries that want oil, we're in the oil business. We're going to sell it to them. We're not going to say we're not going to go there. In other words, we'll be selling oil, [1:03:44] Dave: probably in much larger doses, because they couldn't produce very much because their infrastructure was so bad. So we'll be selling large amounts of oil to other countries, many of whom are using it now, but I would say many more will come. [1:03:58] Dave: There is a lot of evidence that is going to take a long 4me, [1:04:02] Rebecca: at least three to five years es4mated at place six, three to five years es4mated for any infrastructure to get up and start producing massive amounts of oil. And there's evidence that oil companies will not go to Venezuela. So I really don't know if they're delusional about this, if they don't understand what is going to be required of the infrastructure at place six. [1:04:21] Rebecca: So how do we reconcile all of those obstacles [1:04:25] Rebecca: with the op4mism of President Trump that he says he expects the US oil companies to get in there and start spending big [1:04:32] Cameron: and get the oil flowing? Episode 106 [1:04:34] Cameron: Well, I would call that called aspira4onal at best. And I think he has heard, [1:04:40] Dave: he has probably heard today, I believe, was a mee4ng with the US oil companies. Exxon and Conoco were expropriated in 2007. They spent years successfully pursuing interna4onal arbitra4on awards. [1:04:53] Guest-1: And they're trying to collect the billions that they're s4ll owed. [1:04:56] Dave: There's no way they're pukng more money into that un4l they get paid back. And even then, they have many porpolio op4ons, and it's unclear that Venezuela would be a prime candidate any4me soon. I think where you could see some expansion, as I said earlier, [1:05:09] Cameron: are for the companies that are already there. [1:05:12] Cameron: If it was permiTed, Chevron would rehabilitate its opera4ons and perhaps expand them. [1:05:17] Rebecca: The same for Repsol and Morell and Prom, which are much smaller operators. But they're talking maybe another 300,000 barrels a day [1:05:25] Dave: in a year, a year and a half. So I think the president is misinformed or just overly op4mis4c. I mean, obviously, somebody is doing this [1:05:33] Rebecca: for financial incen4ve because we have this Paul Singer angle. But Cameron, before we get into that, do you think that the Trump administra4on [1:05:41] Guest-1: is delusional about the ability [1:05:43] Guest-1: to extract oil immediately in Venezuela? [1:05:48] Guest-1: I don't think they're delusional, Rebecca. [1:05:50] Cameron: Look, I think this is a publicity stunt. As I said, it's very clear, just based on some of the clips that you've shown, that there is no strategy here. And just to be clear, what is a strategy? A strategy is a plan to end a conflict based on specific geopoli4cal goals, economic goals, military goals, poli4cal goals. Yeah, we got Maduro, okay. [1:06:14] Cameron: Then what? So originally we were told, as Dave alluded to a moment ago, it was about narco-terrorism. It was about drugs. Well, that's not being men4oned anymore. [1:06:26] Cameron: Next, we're told it's about access to oil and opera4onal control of the country. We don't have opera4onal control of the country. And gekng access to the oil, that's problema4c. Refining it is not easy to do. And then bringing it to market so that you actually make a profit, that's not going to happen for years at a minimum. So that's not really the answer either. It strikes me that the president was convinced by Rubio and perhaps others, probably in the CIA, that gekng rid of Maduro was an easy win, a publicity stunt, that he could then leverage into poli4cal capital. I don't think the president, because I don't... [1:07:09] Cameron: Son of a bitch! Episode 106 [1:07:11] Rebecca: Dave, you're doing this, aren't you? I don't think he's a sound mind on this. Up, you're back. Keep going. [1:07:17] Rebecca: Sorry. Can you hear me? Yeah. I don't think that the president, [1:07:22] Cameron: in part because he's not a sound mind, ever gave much thought to what is going on. And if you listen to Rubio and Hegseth and others in his administra4on, all of them appear to be playing catch-up to whatever the president happens to say. So the answer, Rebecca, is no, I don't think they're delusional. I think they're completely lost. I don't think there is a plan. And now they're trying to make one up on the fly. Well, I think it's 4me we talk about Rubio and Paul Singer [1:07:45] Rebecca: because we have talked about it at length on this show, but I s4ll don't think people understand the depths of Narco Rubio's involvement. Narco Rubio. Narco Rubio, his involvement in the drug trade, his personal allegiances, his financial affilia4ons, how corrupt he is as an individual. So let's do a brief overview on Paul Singer, top donor to Marco Rubio. Do we have a link to this that's beTer than this one? Or was this the link? That's fine. I was just going to read a few things about him. That's from Mother Jones, God help me. But it was a good brief overview. In 2024, Singer, 81-year-old with a net worth of $6.7 billion, donated $5 million to MAGA, Inc., Trump's Super PAC. He donated tens of millions more in the 2024 cycle of Trump's allies, including $37 million to support the elec4on of Republicans to Congress. He also donated an undisclosed amount to fund Trump's second transi4on. Now listen to this. This past June, when Trump sought funds to bankroll a primary challenger to Thomas Massey, who had raised his eye by suppor4ng the release of the Epstein file, Singer contributed $1 million, which was the largest contribu4on. Since Trump was first elected in 2016, Singer has met personally with Trump at least four 4mes. Trump said, Paul just lec, and he's given us his total support. This was 2017. I want to thank Paul Singer for being here and for coming up to the office. He was a very strong opponent, and now he's a very strong ally. Can you pull up nine, please? So Singer famously endorsed Rubio in 2015. [1:09:17] Rebecca: Yeah, top Republican billionaire Paul Singer endorses. You want to play this? [1:09:21] Guest-1: Mark Rubio. Nah, it's fine. [1:09:23] Guest-1: Now, how does this play into what's going on? [1:09:25] Rebecca: Now, can you pull up clip or not clip? Can you pull up number 10, which is an ar4cle? Number 10. [1:09:33] Rebecca: This hedge fund billionaire bet on a Venezuela-linked oil refiner at just the right 4me. Look at that. Just a few weeks ago, U.S. hedge fund manager known for playing the long game in La4n America won a protracted baTle for one of Venezuela's crown jewels. That bet now looks shrewd in the light of the American and military opera4on that captured Venezuela's president, Nicholas Maduro over the weekend. Amber Energy, an affiliate of Paul Singer's EllioT Management hedge fund firm, emerged victorious in late November, late November, in an auc4on for U.S. oil refiner, SICO Petroleum Corp. The refiner is a subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned company, PDVSA. The forced auc4on was a lengthy process that piTed Episode 106 Amber Energy against one other contender, Gold Reserves Limited. A creditor of Venezuela that had gold and copper mining assets expropriated the winning bid from EllioT Management affiliate came in at $5.89 billion, lower than the $7 billion bid from Gold Reserves. And I've heard that the valua4on was actually $13 billion. How is that legal? It was for sale, but a federal judge in Delaware viewed EllioT's bid as most likely to close and has included payments to Venezuela's creditors. The deal is expected to close this year. Lawyers involved in the situa4on have said SICO's assets include three U.S. refineries in Lake Charles, Louisiana, Corpus Chris4, and Lamont, Illinois, in addi4on to pipelines terminals and other downstream assets. Venezuela has massive oil reserves that mostly consist of heavy sour crude oil that the U.S. Gulf Coast refineries are historically suited to handle. Ah, so there it is. So it's a war for oil. Yeah. [1:11:10] Rebecca: Well, that's a different take than me, [1:11:12] Dave: but that's okay. I don't know. I mean, I think Cameron, I think Cameron's... You see, and it's so funny too, right? Because like all of these wars, right? Like Iraq and all of this shit that's been going on in the Middle East, it's for freedom and democracy. Oh, well, it's not for that. [1:11:25] Rebecca: We can all agree on that. And it's like, nigga, it's for oil. [1:11:28] Dave: It's for oil. And now we've got Donald Trump coming out. Yeah, we're doing it for the oil. Well, I think it's gonna be tremendous. We want the oil. I think for Trump, this is a PR play. [1:11:37] Rebecca: I think for Rubio, it's personal enrichment. [1:11:42] Rebecca: And he said that Cuba is next. The other big thing though, too, that, you know, [1:11:47] Dave: I'd be remiss. And I don't know, because I didn't read the outline again, [1:11:51] Dave: if we're going to be gekng into this, but Paul Singer, this is not the first 4me that we've talked about Paul Singer. Now, Paul Singer is also one of the primary donors to the Philos project, which is this philosoma4c [1:12:08] Dave: group that pays for American Jews to make Aliyah to Israel. And this is also the group that has been funneling millions of dollars into Opus Dei, a very secre4ve Catholic sect that is opera4ve in Washington, DC, at the Catholic Informa4on Center. They've been hos4ng all kinds of these, you know, Catholic conferences on comba4ng an4-Semi4sm and, oh no, the Romans killed Jesus, not the Jews. And all of this kind of nonsense. Philos, JD Vance has spoken at Philos project things. And, you know, Paul Singer is just neck deep in all of this, Debra Leibstadt Holocaust denial, you know, [1:12:49] Dave: Holocaust Remembrance Associa4on and the ADL and all of this stuff. He's, he's neck deep in all of that. And so, you know, not to get too, too off on a tangent or whatever, but, you know, I see these clips like this from BB Netanyahu coming out, basically saying that he thought that the US military opera4on in Venezuela was perfect. Episode 106 [1:13:14] Dave: We commend Trump and salute his decision. We appreciate it because it's driving South American companies into, or countries into the arms of Israel. And of course, we've been talking a lot about the Isaac Accords, which is the South American version of the Abraham Accords, which is essen4ally the Israeli version of NATO. [1:13:36] Dave: It's the co-op4on of the Monroe Doctrine by Israel. And so I'm not saying that it's like all about the Jews or whatever, but, you know, It is all about the Jews. Well, when I see these things, like when I see Paul Singer's fingerprints on it, when I see people gekng on Fox News, like Mike Huckabee talking about how good this is going to be for Israel, because Hezbollah had drones down there. And then there was some other guy. [1:14:01] Dave: Let me see if I can pull it up really quick. But there was a Freudian slip moment on Fox News where a guy gets up and he says, oh, this is such a good opera4on. This is so good because this is going to, oh, look, look, [1:14:16] Dave: I my post is visibility limited. Oh, Jesus. So here's here's the here's the clip. I mean, watch. [1:14:30] Dave: Right. I mean, the implica4ons are really great for the Israeli. I mean, the Venezuelan people. You know, and so it just gets you thinking, you know, [1:14:40] Dave: is Israel building an empire? Are they building an empire? And then they're going to cut our throat, stab us in the back, throw us under the bus, rug our economy. And then all of a sudden Jerusalem will emerge with Pax Judaica, and they will be this global power. And, you know, that's a concern. I'm concerned about that. You know, like I really don't give a shit. Now I guess we're gekng into take selling, right? I really don't give a shit about like overthrowing a foreign dictator. I'm not inherently opposed to American imperialism. I'm not a lecist, right? Like if we want to go and, you know, exert power in the world, fuck it. Yeah, absolutely. If I were president, I would want to do that. The problem is that we have a Zionist occupied government that is doing everything in its power to benefit Israel and nothing to benefit the American people. And I'm just not convinced. Well, then you are not a proponent of current American imperialism. No, because it's run by Jews. Yeah, exactly. If it was run by Americans, then I wouldn't have a second thought. And so I'm just, you know, I'm not against what happened. I really don't give a shit about Maduro, you know, but is this going to be a benefit to Americans two years in the future that some vulture capitalist now has the ability to export oil and what? You know, like I paid $2.18 for a gallon of gas the other day. That is not because the Venezuelan oil reserves are online. Right. That has nothing to do with it. Before we get Cameron's take on why this is a distrac4on for the Trump administra4on, I do want you to bring up this poll. [1:16:17] Rebecca: This is 18. More Americans say the U.S. should not run Venezuela. Americans are split about U.S. capturing Maduro with many s4ll forming opinions. Four in 10, only four in 10 approved the U.S. military being sent to capture Maduro. Roughly the same were opposed. Two in 10 were unsure. Episode 106 [1:16:34] Rebecca: Republicans broadly approved of the ac4on. No surprise there. Democrats were largely opposed to it. And can you pull up 19 as well? This is the Nate Silver poll, which I don't know. [1:16:45] Rebecca: This one right here? Yeah. I can just zoom in on it. Okay, great. [1:16:49] Rebecca: So this is Trump's approval ra4ng. Look at that. [1:16:52] Rebecca: Down. [1:16:53] Guest-1: Big 4me. Absolutely tanking. [1:16:55] Rebecca: And most of it's the economy. But I think Cameron's right that he saw this as some kind of PR when he knows he's down in the economy, that he hasn't done much for immigra4on for white people. And I think he was like, all right, this is easy. And it was a way for Rubio, who has vested interests. [1:17:15] Rebecca: And Rubio and Paul Singer, they've been, they've been playing the long game here. Yeah, they've been at it for 10, 15 years. [1:17:20] Dave: At least 10 years that we know about. And Rubio, when he was involved [1:17:24] Rebecca: with his brother in law's drug trade, he had a kilo of cocaine in his room. He was living in his brother-in-law's house. [1:17:31] Rebecca: Marco Rubio? Yes, Narco Rubio. Narco Rubio. [1:17:34] Guest-1: And he was 16. He was in4mately involved in this massive drug ring of his brother-in-law. [1:17:39] Rebecca: Cameron, if you could opine on that, and why you believe that this is not as it appears. [1:17:48] Rebecca: Well, let's first talk a liTle bit about this thing [1:17:52] Cameron: called America First, right? Because a lot of people bandied about that. They throw it around. And I was on TwiTer in some spaces talking to some folks, all of whom were convinced that going into Venezuela was a massive victory. That this is a demonstra4on of our hegemony in our own hemisphere. That has absolutely nothing to do with the Monroe Doctrine proper. And if you actually read the document, which I have, and you're familiar with the actual Americans that ar4culated that strategy, which is a strategy more or less, a foreign policy that we followed un4l 1898. Some would argue un4l World War II. So what does the Monroe Doctrine actually say? Well, it says, asser4ng as a principle in which the rights and interests of the United States are involved. That's a key statement. That the American con4nents, by the free and independent condi4on which they have assumed and maintained, are henceforth not to be considered as subjects for future coloniza4on by any European powers. Now, obviously, you can adapt that to present day. Episode 106 [1:19:03] Cameron: Who is Venezuela being colonized by? Is it being colonized by the Chinese? No. Are they buying oil from Venezuela? Yes, or are we? [1:19:11] Cameron: Is it being colonized by the Russians? No, it's not. To the extent that Venezuela has rela4ons with China and Russia, it's largely because we sanc4oned Venezuela. Lest we forget when Donald Trump nego4ated or rather was having phone conversa4ons with Maduro, he basically offered up whatever he wanted in terms of a cut of the Venezuelan oil depository and business. We dismissed that. So quite clearly, that condi4on was not met. There is no encroachment on Venezuela's sovereignty, certainly not by the Chinese or the Russians. What else does the Monroe Doctrine says? It says, it is only when our rights are invaded [1:19:55] Cameron: or seriously menaced that we resent injuries or make prepara4on for our defense. [1:20:01] Cameron: Our defense, what does going into Venezuela, a sovereign country, yeah, we can quibble about the condi4on that it's in, but what does viola4ng the sovereignty of Venezuela actually accomplish for us? Well, I can tell you what it doesn't accomplish. It certainly does not endear us to a region inside of our hemisphere called La4n America that has been subject to over 40 interven4ons that I just went through a moment ago and are already festering with feverish an4-Americanism [1:20:34] Cameron: who do not like the neocolonialism that we just engaged upon, who do not respect a president, our president, who's threatening other countries in the region, like Colombia. [1:20:46] Cameron: Yep, we did threaten Colombia. [1:20:50] Dave: We basically said they're next. [1:20:52] Dave: Cuba as well. I remember literally like five seconds acer this whole thing happened, Carrie Lake was out there saying, you know, the people of Venezuela need freedom. The people of Cuba need freedom. The people of Iran need freedom. [1:21:07] Rebecca: I have the Marco Rubio clip, it's 12. Clip 12, yeah, let's do it then. [1:21:10] Dave: Cameron will be back with us momentarily. We've got to get him back in the States, guys. Can you please send some super chats? Bullying Cameron to come back home. We miss him very much. All right, here's the clip. [1:21:24] Dave: I mean, I just gave you a statement a few minutes ago about, you know, when the president speaks, you should take him seriously. It's suffice it to say, you know, Cuba is a disaster. It's run by incompetent, see-now men, and in some cases, not see-now, but incompetent nonetheless. They have no economy. It's a total collapse. And by the way, you know, they were crit, [1:21:44] Cameron: you know, all of the guards that help protect Maduro, this is well known, their whole spy agency, Episode 106 [1:21:48] Dave: all that were full of Cubans. I mean, they basically, it's amazing, this poor island took over Venezuela in some cases. One of the biggest problems that Venezuelans have is they have to declare independence from Cuba. They tried to basically colonize it from a security standpoint. So, yeah, look, if I lived in Havana and I was in the government, I'd be concerned, at least. Are you cukng off the oil flow to Cuba from Venezuela? [1:22:08] Dave: Well, the president already announced a week ago that anything that's sanc4oned, it's sanc4oned oil, it's not going to be allowed to get there. So that's an experience. [1:22:19] Dave: What a snake. [1:22:21] Dave: I did not know he was a drug dealer. [1:22:23] Dave: Well, he was involved in this, [1:22:25] Rebecca: I don't want to say cartel. Is it the cartel when they're not Mexicans? [1:22:30] Rebecca: Yeah, they have cartels all over the place. Oh, okay. So that's it. I just think of the cartel. I think exclusively of the Mexican cartel. No, no, it's not. Why couldn't we have, like, you know... [1:22:41] Rebecca: I have that clip too. Do you want to learn more about Marco Rubio? Yeah, absolutely. Which clip is it? Okay, let's do... [1:22:47] Dave: Narco Rubio. Narco Rubio, number 11. Number 11. This was fascina4ng. Let's take a look at this. This is from Geopoli4ca 2030. It's a video. This one? [1:22:58] Dave: And then you find out that Orlando Cecilia, your sister Barbara's husband, had been arrested and charged with some drug-related crime as you describe in the book. [1:23:08] Cameron: And then your brother-in-law would be sentenced to 25 years in prison. [1:23:11] Dave: That's exactly what we said on Univision. I understand that this upset you and your family, I completely understand. [1:23:19] Dave: The ques4on is, as journalists and voters, do they not have the right to know what kind of rela4onship you had with someone linked to drug trafficking? [1:23:28] Dave: The story was about me. They should have contacted me first. I love this dub. [1:23:33] Guest-1: You were 16 years old. Let me finish. [1:23:35] Dave: But you go beyond that. Later, on the front page of Univision's na4onal news. I understand you weren't on the air that night, but Univision Na4onal put the story on the front page, which wasn't about me. It was the personal story of two private ci4zens who have absolutely nothing to do with poli4cs. But connected to you, so they could have asked me. It's said that you could become vice president. And these kinds of connec4ons had to be discussed. Episode 106 [1:24:02] Dave: But Jorge, no, with the press, that's a public record. And Univision calls me, asks, look, we understand this happened in your family. How did it affect you? [1:24:12] Guest-1: I would have gladly answered. You say he had no influence on you. [1:24:16] Dave: You say he had no influence on you at that 4me, meaning he didn't help you financially. I'm asking you if Orlando, your brother-in-law, helped you financially when you were 16 years old. Well, he was my brother-in-law. I was 16 years old. As I men4oned in the book, I used to wash his dogs at his house. I'm sure they gave me gics. [1:24:35] Dave: Wait, this part's important, too. If we don't have camera back, we might as well. To neither sport a seminar, nor new 4mes. Obtained by the weekly new 4mes, [1:24:41] Rebecca: the more than 700 pages of transcripts from Cecilia's trial contained the tes4mony of Randy Schaffer, one of his employees. [1:24:51] Rebecca: When a prosecutor asked where Cecilia kept the drugs, Chapelle replied, in his guest room, it was a kilo or two. The witness added that the drugs were then stored in cigareTe boxes and that Cecilia kept cocaine in the house from March 1985 to January 1986. [1:25:10] Rebecca: Also, in the room where he stayed, [1:25:12] Dave: there was almost a kilo. [1:25:15] Dave: The documents listed a kilo of cocaine. [1:25:19] Dave: In 1987, the dismantling of the powerful organiza4on was announced. [1:25:25] Dave: It was led by this man, Mario Bravo, a collector of exo4c animals. [1:25:32] Dave: The government is also... That's so weird, man. Isn't that bizarre? Bro. Bizarre. I did not know that. I didn't know that liTle Marco Rubio [1:25:39] Guest-1: got down like that. Narco Rubio. [1:25:41] Cameron: Narco Rubio. Wow. That's incredible. We have camera back. Camera's back. [1:25:47] Dave: Should be a... Man, technical difficul4es, folks. [1:25:50] Cameron: My apologies. You need to come back home, Cameron. [1:25:52] Dave: We need you here, stateside. We want you in Idaho. Come on. Move up here. [1:25:57] Cameron: But it's a good thing you played that video and that you brought up the Monica Narco Rubio because South Florida is really just an extension of La4n America. In fact, a lot of La4nos regard Miami as the capital of La4n America. And when you go down there, in many ways it is, right? So you have a lot of the problems that are pervasive in La4n America. You have drug trafficking. You have arms issues. You have organized crime. You have all of that kind of stuff concentrated down in South Florida. And that's why the Trump administra4on is entertaining regime change in Venezuela, then in Cuba, and God knows where else. Episode 106 [1:26:35] Cameron: Absolutely. [1:26:38] Cameron: All right. [1:26:40] Guest-1: Let me move on. I'm worried about gekng Cameron on for too long. Yeah. [1:26:45] Guest-1: But if we lose Cameron again, he's just going to keep him back. [1:26:47] Dave: So this is the next story. I mean, so we're wrapping up Venezuela here and moving on to the next story. Well, it also might just be... Because the next story is huge. It's so important. It's so important. [1:26:56] Rebecca: It might... This also might be a distrac4on from the situa4on that we're having in the financial markets because maybe Trump is just saying before these hard 4mes are really upon us, I mean, I think we're in the midst of it, but before it really hits the middle class. I think he's saying, giving a sign to the American public that there's future prosperity in it for us. And I think that maybe he's trying to head the financial collapse. [1:27:22] Dave: The angle that because his popularity is falling and it's star4ng to look more and more like there's going to be a backlash in the midterm. Sorry, that was so gay. [1:27:33] Dave: There's going to be a backlash in the midterms and that the Republicans are going to lose the House, lose the Senate. And I think that the vested interests, the donor class is just gekng as much bang for their buck as they possibly can right now. They're checking off all the boxes. They're doing everything they can. Like, why can't Donald Trump fucking abduct Tim Walls and put him in Guantanamo? Why can't Donald Trump go around the United States and start Bill Gates? How about Fauci? Anthony Fauci. Like, and you know exactly what these lecists would say about Donald Trump? If he was star4ng to do like execu4ve ac4ons like this that would actually be popular and benefit the American people, they would be like, oh, he's a dictator. He's a fascist. [1:28:18] Guest-1: Absolutely, absolutely. But it's like he's doing this for the donor class, [1:28:22] Dave: for Paul Stanger, for the oil, perhaps for Israel. [1:28:25] Dave: Perhaps, yeah. Definitely for Israel. You know, and it's like, man, can't we get something for us? Like again, I'm not opposed to taking these types of unilateral ac4ons or a CIA black op, offing a bunch of terrorists or whatever. I'm not inherently opposed to that. I'm not even inherently opposed to being a bully. Richard Spencer had a really great take on his space yesterday where it's just like, yeah, bullies fucking win. They're cool. And it's like, you know, there's something about that where I can get behind it. But to the extent- But there's no transparency. [1:28:57] Guest-1: And it's never what they say it is. Right. [1:29:00] Rebecca: Ever. Right. And we have a proven track record of absolute incompetence when it comes to regime change. Right. Episode 106 [1:29:06] Dave: But this wasn't a regime change. Right. As we've stated, nothing has actually changed in Venezuela. Let's talk, Silver. [1:29:12] Rebecca: Can you pull up 20? Yes. We've got a talk. This is the real story. I think Cameron's right about this. This is huge. [1:29:19] Dave: Absolutely huge. Huge. It's huge. Look at this. [1:29:24] Dave: All right. Breaking news. [1:29:25] Rebecca: Silver has surpassed Nvidia to become the second largest asset by market cap. When was this? This is earlier today. [1:29:31] Dave: And of course, they cut off eight. And you know what the eighth largest is, don't you? Bitcoin. Oh, you hate yourself. This was from a few hours ago, right? Yes. Okay. [1:29:40] Rebecca: Good. No, yesterday. Yesterday. Oh, no. That was a... [1:29:44] Rebecca: Do you know what Silver's at right now? I guess it hasn't changed. 7860. [1:29:47] Dave: It's dipped a liTle bit. Again, a liTle dippy. Okay. [1:29:50] Guest-1: It s4ll would be second though. Yeah. I mean, like let's take a look at the chart. That's the 10 year. [1:29:57] Guest-1: Let's go to the one month. [1:29:59] Guest-1: Right. I mean, it's s4ll going up. [1:30:01] Dave: It's not like it's trend reversing. Yeah. Let's pull up 21. [1:30:06] Rebecca: Bank of America is predic4ng that Silver goes to 309. [1:30:12] Rebecca: Damn. [1:30:12] Dave: Really? They had a range. I mean, if you adjust the... Gold will be the primary hedge and performance driver in 2026. [1:30:20] Rebecca: Silver could top up between 135, 309. [1:30:25] Rebecca: That's unbelievable. And then let's pull up 22. [1:30:28] Rebecca: Oh, 22. [1:30:32] Dave: Yes. Yes. [1:30:34] Dave: Gold has overtaken the US dollar as the largest global reserve asset. [1:30:40] Rebecca: Do you know who had a very good take for layman on this? Episode 106 [1:30:46] Rebecca: No, but I hope you'll tell me. BreT Weinstein, who I don't typically trust. A Jew. [1:30:51] Dave: Because he's Jewish. But his take on this, I think... [1:30:54] Rebecca: Some4mes I think on the backlash that we don't present things in layman's terms. And I wonder if some viewers fall off because of that. You might be a liTle high IQ here. Okay, that's not our problem. Mid-wit? No, I mean, that's not our problem. But I want people of all understanding of all levels of understanding. I want people to be aware and to learn more. Right, right. Let's watch 23 and then 24. And then I want Cameron to fill us in on this. [1:31:20] Rebecca: We are seeing a number of things that all speak to a financial calamity looming. [1:31:33] Rebecca: Short term. [1:31:35] Rebecca: And I would point specifically to, and I am no expert in this. I wish I understood it beTer, but the price of silver skyrocke4ng. Why is the price of silver skyrocke4ng? Well, the story, as I understand it, is the price of silver has been ar4ficially depressed. [1:31:55] Rebecca: How do you ar4ficially depress the price of a commodity that people can actually buy? [1:32:00] Rebecca: Well, because we have two versions of the commodity. There's actual silver and there's paper silver and paper silver can be printed. [1:32:10] Rebecca: So to the extent that the price of silver wants to rise because silver is scarce, those who are in a posi4on to create silver by prin4ng it and selling it so that you own some silver in your porpolio, but it's not a real metal. [1:32:25] Rebecca: Those people are in a posi4on to drive the price down by crea4ng the impression that there is supply where there isn't. All right, let's just go right into 24. And then I want Cameron to give his analysis on this. All right. Here we go. Thank you, sir. [1:32:43] Rebecca: Great internet. Thank you, Elon. [1:32:45] Guest-1: So what is I think taking place is there is a baTle between those who have spoTed this looming catastrophe and are buying actual silver because they expect it to go up. [1:33:01] Rebecca: They expect the stranglehold of those who can print it and ar4ficially depress the price to be broken. And so evermore effort is being put into holding back that rising price by prin4ng more, [1:33:13] Rebecca: which is of course a posi4ve feedback that is going to detonate. And what I've understood from these discussions, Michael Yon calls silver the blas4ng cap in the economy. And the point is silver is not a big player in terms of how the world runs, but it is in a posi4on to set loose the burs4ng of bubbles, the repricing of things that are mispriced because of ar4ficiality like this in the markets. And so anyway, I think the. Episode 106 [1:33:46] Rebecca: Yeah, I think that's a really good assessment that it appears that we're going to have some sort of bank run type situa4on on silver. And I think we're in the midst of it. Cameron, I know that you want to talk about this and we want to hear your take. Let's go. I do, but I think I'm going to I'm going to be interrupted by my internet service. We'll try, we'll try. [1:34:08] Rebecca: A lot of folks, okay, have have been talking about financial trouble. [1:34:15] Cameron: Certainly you guys have heard me belabor this point incessantly. A lot of you don't like hearing it anymore. And I certainly understand that. However, people like Ray Dalio, who's a very famous hedge fund manager. [1:34:29] Cameron: He has said that we're headed for some kind of a financial cardiac arrest. And I concur with that for reasons I'm going to expound upon in just a moment. But just to be clear, when you have a heart aTack, there are symptoms, right? There's dizziness, there's palpita4ons, chest pain, things of that nature that suggests, hey, something's wrong, something's not right here. We have been experiencing symptoms of this financial cardiac arrest. One of them has been this meteoric rise in gold, which frankly, a lot of the elites on Wall Street and I think in Washington DC for the most part have ignored. But if you look at the gold price over the last few years, there's been a very substan4al shic. I mean, it's basically doubled in price over the last couple years. Which is unheard of for gold, except during 4mes of financial stress and trauma. And something very similar is going on with silver. Now, I say all of that in part against the backdrop of what, according to some people, Yanis Verifakis is one, he used to be the Greek finance minister. But according to him, and there's a substack on this, Dave, you can bring it up. It's called Verifakis Warns of a Dollar Crisis. How do you spell? How do you spell? How do you spell? [1:35:53] Dave: How do you spell? According to him. How do you spell? As you think. How do I spell? It's V-A-R-O-U-F-A-I-S, yeah. V-E-R-O-U-F-A-C-A-S. There it is. In the name of the ar4cle. Warns of, Warns of Dollar Crisis. Sorry, this wine is very good. It tastes like I've wasted it. In any case, he has been saying that there have been some emergency mee4ngs held at the Bank of [1:36:27] Cameron: Interna4onal SeTlements and presumably at the New York Fed and maybe even at the White House. I don't know, that part is specula4on. But in any case, his claim is that there have been some emergency mee4ngs in which they're talking about a failure of various folks' en44es to buy U.S. debt. [1:36:47] Cameron: Now that is also a symptom. [1:36:50] Cameron: Why does gold and silver in par4cular maTer? Who cares? [1:36:55] Cameron: The reason it maTers, ladies and gentlemen, is because in 1933 there was an execu4ve order that was passed by FDR. This is in the depths of the Depression and that execu4ve order outlawed the private holding of gold. From 1933 to 1974, gold was outlawed. It changed in 1974 in part because we came off the gold standard and officially we came off the gold standard in 1971 when Richard Nixon officially took us off, right? Temporarily and that's well known for anybody that knows anything about finance. But in 1974, it was essen4ally legal again to own gold and silver and this caused, to some degree, a bit of a panic. Episode 106 [1:37:48] Cameron: This panic is actually documented in another document. Dave, I don't know if you can bring this up, but WikiLeaks disclosed a memo, I want to say 10, 15 years ago, called London Wholesale Gold Dealer's View [1:38:03] Cameron: on US gold sale and private US ownership. [1:38:07] Cameron: And in this memo, which comes from the Department of the Treasury in London and was sent to the Department of State in the United States, that document, and I'm going to read a liTle bit of it, was all about something called the futures market. And you don't need to worry about exactly what that is or how it works except to say that the futures market, which are bets that are made about the price of gold and contracts that are tailored based on those bets, those futures markets were deliberately created under the umbrella of things like the London Bullion Market Associa4on to control the price of gold and silver, to discourage private ownership of it and to arbitrage the price. And that's just a fancy way of saying to distort the price so that market forces didn't actually reflect reality. In other words, to make sure that gold and silver were not properly valued and actually communicated the extent to which there was infla4on in the world or the real value of things. And it worked for a long period of 4me. The vast majority of bets on gold and silver were not taken in physical delivery. What I mean by that is they were paper contracts. People were just bekng back and forth, but people didn't take delivery. That changed mysteriously when Donald Trump became president in and around November of 2024. And mysteriously, at that point in 4me, there were some very large orders of gold to come into the United States that were taken for delivery, not paper contracts, but for delivery. And many of you probably remember that this is around the 4me that Elon Musk and Donald Trump and others were talking about revalua4on in gold. They were also talking about audi4ng for NOx to see what we actually hold. And then that all disappeared. All that talk disappeared. It just stopped. [1:40:16] Cameron: What's happened in the mean4me is that gold has con4nued to rise and now silver is rising meteorically. And what this is a symptom of is a massive financial crisis because trust in the paper markets, trust in these bets about the price of gold and silver has collapsed. And that means that all of a sudden people want physical delivery and things are star4ng to revalue. And that means this frac4onal reserve banking system that we've got, which is a fancy way of saying whatever the banks are holding officially does not match the amount of money that's actually circula4ng in the economy. This is, in other words, a bank run. That's what it is. And a lot of the folks that are trading or that are taking delivery of this are actually sovereign countries outside of the United States. This is a very big deal, folks. This is communica4ng that we're headed into some kind of a massive revalua4on away from the US dollar into gold and silver that we don't actually have in the United States, in Great Britain, which means that we don't have the monetary power that we used to have. Some of that may explain what's happening in Venezuela. I don't know in the sense that it's a distrac4on, in the sense that maybe we're trying to gobble up as much commodi4es as we can, because we don't have the gold and silver that we say, and our bluff is being called. I think that's what's happening. There is something to that. I think there was several Episode 106 [1:41:51] Dave: billion dollars worth of gold in Venezuela. And I saw some, was it C-17s? Is that the right plane? The big-ass planes. We saw some of those flying through the area. So it's en4rely possible that we might be trying to pick some of that up. Also, [1:42:09] Dave: you're going to hate me. You're all going to hate me. But I did talk about this a liTle bit [1:42:14] Dave: on The Monday Show. There is a lot of Bitcoin in Venezuela. [1:42:26] Dave: 600,000 Bitcoin. Wait, they seized it? [1:42:30] Dave: Well, apparently. I don't know if it's been seized or not. They're sanc4oned. But [1:42:37] Dave: Venezuela's got Bitcoin. And so if we're in control of Venezuela, in control, as Donald Trump said, and if we're in control of their gold and their oil, as the administra4on is saying, whether that's true or not, then we're in control of their Bitcoin, too. And apparently, they've got 600,000 coin, which is just shy of what Michael Saylor or MicroStrategy, [1:43:03] Dave: but iBit has. It's like $68 billion worth of Bitcoin, if I'm not mistaken. [1:43:13] Dave: So there could be something there, too. [1:43:16] Dave: Look, folks, what do I always say? What's focal is not causal. And secondly, [1:43:23] Cameron: related to that, when people behave erra4cally, when they start ac4ng out in ways that are unpredictable and temperamental. And for Donald Trump, yeah, to be sure, that's sort of part for the course. But this en4re event in Venezuela, and I would submit a lot of his behavior over the last six to 12 months, does not seem to reflect ac4ng from a posi4on of strength, does it? It seems to suggest a kind of despera4on, a despera4on in the White House. I think a despera4on from the bankers and Wall Street. I think there's a percola4ng sense behind closed doors. A percola4ng sense behind closed doors that were fucked. Can I like accurately [1:44:08] Dave: predict where Cameron is going with that? Well, he'll be back with us in a second. But first. Well, I mean, should we? I think we should. This has not in fact been just one giant gold and silver. But now we're going to turn it into one because you got to talk with our friends at Lear capitol. No, fuck Lear capitol. And, you know, there was also a tweet and I men4oned this on the Monday show. Let me go back to my let me go back to my TwiTer profile is Cameron. No, no, no, he's not back yet. But I was going through, you know, there was this big drama. You weren't here. You need to apologize. I did. I'm sorry for not being there on Monday. I am remodeling my kitchen and but there was this big. So they had to see this. There was this big scuff up in the Diamond District of New York tracks. NYC got into it with a bunch of dirty, disgus4ng, smarmy, slimy, scumbag. Are you guys Arabs or Jews? They're they're Jews. All of them. Well, that guy is and he is too. And so I goTa see this. What happened? You haven't seen this? No. Oh, well, then I'll play it. This is crazy. Let me just make sure it's not too loud. [1:45:33] Dave: Where's my money? I got this. Where's my money? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? You haven't seen this? You say VVS I 3 14. Yeah, 64 47. What is the back story on this? So basically, let's, I think he gets into it here at the end. Episode 106 [1:46:15] Dave: Doesn't he get in? Oh, no. So I didn't post that clip. Okay. So basically what happened is, [1:46:20] Dave: you know, the Diamond District, it's like one big building and there's a bunch of liTle booths inside, right? And so some black guy came up and was like, Oh, I want a chain like tracks has. And these guys were like, Yeah, we got we got tracks chains here. And they sold him like [1:46:36] Dave: nine and a half karat gold chain and charged him for a 14 karat gold chain. And the grade of the diamond was shit. 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And you know, you can always call. You can always call Kenzie and find out what they got in stock anyway. Cameron, do you want to get your, your finishing thoughts in there? [1:50:44] Dave: Man, I don't know if I can. I'm scared. We'll try. It's okay. In any case, yeah. [1:50:50] Cameron: You know, there's a lot of spaces on TwiTer, right? And I know you guys spent a lot of 4me there as, as does I think our audience for the most part. And you go on TwiTer, there's geopoli4cal TwiTer. There's macro TwiTer. There's poli4cal TwiTer, right? There's griper TwiTer, whatever. There's all of these spaces that tend to form bubbles. And inside these bubbles, you tend to ignore everything that's outside of it. [1:51:19] Cameron: What we try to do on this program is we try to bring a lot of these different spaces together. It's why we talk about geopoli4cs. It's why we talk about local poli4cs. It's why I talk about the macro economy, et cetera, et cetera. But what is the base layer [1:51:35] Cameron: of this system that we're dealing with? What, what is it that's gone horribly wrong with Donald Trump? [1:51:43] Cameron: He's been bought, folks. And he's been bought by people like Maria Matleson. He's been bought by people like Paul Singer. And what is their power derived from? It's derived from a financial system that is poisonous from a dollar that is a virus. And what I'm sugges4ng to all of you is that if we're going to get transforma4ve change in this country, it's going to come because that base layer is destroyed because it's set on fire and it's burned to the ground, because all the financial crimes that are almost certainly embedded in that hardware are exposed, that they're ven4lated to the world. And resekng the price of silver and gold is res4ng control away from these financial parasites and back in our hands, back in our favor. And that ul4mately is how we're going to win. No pain, no gain. There's going to be a lot of collateral damage. But there is no way out of this. There is no way forward without exploding this financial parasite that really is at the root cause of everything that we're trying to overcome in this country. The racial problem, the JQ, all of it. It's all being subsidized by this evil system that's got to go up in flames. And I think that's what's happened. [1:53:07] Cameron: I totally agree. From your ellipse to God's ears. Absolutely. That would be wonderful. [1:53:11] Dave: So what do we want to do now? Do we want to do... Let's let Cameron go since the internet's shoddy. Let's do some supers, do some ads. Let me just see if there's any... Talk to the audience. Any specific Cameron ques4ons? I don't think there are... No, there aren't. So if you... I guess if you want, you want to go to bed, you want to go blanky mode? I'll tell you what, I'll stay un4l my internet dies and that probably will be very long. And then that'll just be the last one. Okay. [1:53:41] Dave: All right, we'll get your last minute super chats in. And of course, if you ever do want to go blanky mode, you can go to our friends at ODGG Supply. They sell blankies. They've got a whole sec4on of blankies. They've got all kinds of used and new military surplus Episode 106 equipment that is baTle tested from the field. It's the best place to go if you want to get yourself equipped for any kind of a collapse type situa4on. There are preferred source for legit domes4c and foreign military surplus. It's gear that's been proven in conflicts across the globe and is ready for your next adventure. The guys at ODGG Supply put the gear through its paces so you can count on quality next 4me you are in the field. 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If true, that seems like such a small thing. That's crazy. But like we weren't talking about Nixon. We should. You didn't on Monday at all. No, no. And this was on, we got this on January 6th. The show was on January 5th. So Queensborough Bridge Enjoyer, I think you might have sent this to the wrong channel. He also sent another $10 super chat. Gordon Liddy, one of the burglars endorsed silent coup saying his part in the book was accurate. He also men4oned that they had planned on using the DC call girl info un4l they just saw as many GOP clients as Democrats much like the Epstein case today. That wouldn't even be a black maleable offense these days. Not anymore. I mean, you remember when poli4cians couldn't get elected if they were divorced? Yeah, Reagan Reagan destroyed that whole thing. So, you know, and then Queensborough Bridge Enjoyer with a super chat today. Many people are saying that blondes absence on Monday, the same day Tim Waltz. Oh, where did it go? Same way. Tim Waltz withdrew from the 2026 Minnesota's governor's race is not a coincidence has future governor Will Stancil, the Peter Steele of TwiTer chosen blonde to be his Susie Wiles. Oh, Peter. Peter Steele died on January 4th. So I commemorated him this year. It was Peter Steele, bro, the lead singer [1:56:45] Rebecca: of legendary band type O nega4ve. I don't listen to that. We have been through this so many 4mes. Maybe Oh, that's beau4ful man. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, we need to bully Will Stancil [1:56:57] Dave: Moore. He could totally win an elec4on. If like, if he ran for governor of Minnesota, you would see like the Nazis and the far lec come together. Do you see that Emily Yooka's tweet that's like every day I wake up and think that I can't bully Will Stancil anymore and every day. I prove myself wrong. Grock has been going unprompted. He's been going unprompted making Will Stancil memes. It's Mecca Hitler. PreTy fun. Mecca Hitler lives. Phil sent $100. [1:57:31] Dave: Happy New Year and keep up the good work. Thank you very much. Thank you. Booktrack groups and $10. Why do bees always have s4cky hair? They use honeycomb. Episode 106 [1:57:42] Dave: Rebecca have made phone calls to Venezuela and talk to the people. David, do you have a notepad cheers? No, but I did watch a lot of videos of people in Venezuela from Venezuela. So I tried to [1:57:56] Rebecca: really understand this, this issue. I'm not I'm no expert. I'm not Cameron, but I tried to understand this issue, this issue to the greatest of my ability. Yes. I use Moleskine notebooks. [1:58:08] Dave: I'm very posh. You know what a Moleskine notebook is, right? Yeah, that's what I use. Anyway, yeah, I saw booktrack groups. By the way, he also, we saw your super chat about asking whether or not Mr. Fishback was a Chris4an. He is Catholic. But we couldn't shoehorn it in at that moment. It was here's the actual ques4on. Fishback, are you Chris4an? What was King David's biggest mistake? What are your thoughts on compulsory educa4on? Should it be removed? No fault divorce thoughts. You know, we only had 30 minutes with him. So [1:58:43] Dave: unfortunately, yeah, maybe maybe you'll come back on. Maybe when we get a liTle bit closer to the primary, we can we'll find out more about him. Listen, and if Nick, if Nick comes out in endorses him, then, you know, all bets are off. But I doubt that I doubt that we'll see that happen. But anyway, yes, he is Catholic and King David's base, the biggest mistake was obviously [1:59:03] Dave: screwing around with Bathsheba should not have commiTed adultery, buddy. That was wrong. [1:59:09] Dave: Robert sent $25 blonde. Guess who I am. I'm not here to beg. I'm here to provide value. Please help me, pity, please. Watching his show slowly disappear like his hairline must be oh, so sweet. Also, Cameron's movie recommenda4on virus was a fun 2000s horror flick. [1:59:28] Dave: Oh, I should watch that. But wag the dog. That's what I'm going to watch. Wag the dude. Everybody here needs to watch. I've never seen it. I'm so excited. I cannot [1:59:36] Dave: I've seen that at least 30 4mes. It's a fantas4c movie. Fantas4c. You've seen it 30 4mes. Yeah, that's more than I've seen Groundhog Day. Yeah, I was also watching the Godfather again this past weekend. Oh, really? Yeah, I watched it Godfather three and then two and then one. I watched it backwards. Okay. If that makes sense. I heard three is terrible. I've never There's a recut. There's a recut of Godfather three that came out in 2020 and it's way beTer. It makes way more sense. If you're going to watch it, watch the is it called Mar4n Puzo's Godfather three coda, whatever. Very good. Regarding the first part of that super chat, let the record. Let the record show that I think Godfather two is beTer than Godfather one. Yes. I agree with that. I agree with that. Yeah. Should I talk about it? Go ahead. It's your show. [2:00:27] Rebecca: It's your show. Get a close up. Everybody knows that I had a spectacular falling out with my podcast cohost of 10 years about a year ago. And today he made a video just like begging for dona4ons saying that his family can't live on less than $120,000 a year. I couldn't help myself even though my mom was like, you look, you just, it's not classy. Just don't. She's Episode 106 like, did you already tweet about it? And I'm like, fuck, yes, I already tweeted. And so my tweet says, [2:00:58] Rebecca: for $5 a month, you can help this Jewish family make $120,000 a year. You goTa wait for me to pull it up. And then it'll have, I just can't, I can't help myself. The starving Jewish family reached their minimum necessary annual income of $120,000 a year. In the video, he says he regrets nothing and that this is not his fault. And it's just that he's become stale and then he, he begs for dona4ons in a way that's more desperate than the way that we beg for dona4ons, I think. Yeah. Which we do. By the way, we got a big dona4on from our friend, MaT from Wenatchee [2:01:34] Dave: who sent us, I don't think you can read it. I don't want you to read it. So, but thank you for the big dona4on. This is like the fourth or fich one that he sent us. If you want to send us a check in the mail from your bank, you can do that at PO Box 853 Post Falls, Idaho 83877. We've also got a giant stack. I don't know if you can see it, but we've got like a giant stack of boxes that we're going to get to here in a moment. See, there are three of us. So we need $360,000. Oh yeah, there you go. So make sure you send in your dona4on. Absolutely. [2:02:08] Dave: Kenzie says that a TwiTer space at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific this Friday sounds great. [2:02:17] Dave: So if you're watching this, keep an eye out. We will post that up on the Backlash X account [2:02:25] Dave: and that way and we'll do it in a way that's less chao4c and we'll be able to bring people up one at a 4me. They can get their ques4ons answered and maybe Cameron can even join us too. Don't know. Don't know what his schedule is like. Ah, yes. Quality leering center sent $25. [2:02:42] Dave: Shiloh says you need an N when you spell learning. That's really good. Very true. You do. Over on Entropy, we got some super chats. Risket for the biscuit sent $10. What should we say to tax lawyer to jus4fy deduc4ons as a result of the billions in assisted living fraud discovered na4onwide? This op4on is worth exploring. Yeah, really. Absolutely. Get a tax lawyer. Get a Don't try anything on your own, though, because don't just not pay your taxes. Yeah. Unfortunately, although it's possible when we die, God's like, you pay taxes into evil satanic American abor4on suppor4ng the United States government. We do have a video of exactly what happens to white people when they don't pay their taxes. So I'm going to play that for you. [2:03:40] Dave: It's not the John Hamm clip that I can't stop watching, even though it's like a month old. Dude, the John Hamm clip is so good. Hold on. Where is this? How far back? [2:03:51] Guest-1: See, that's a meme that even Cameron recognizes. Give it up, Dave. Oh, no, I can't give it up. You've got to give it up. It went viral. How is it not coming up on my feed? What is it? What are you talking about? My feet? Where is it? Michael Shalom? What is it called? I always Episode 106 [2:04:13] Guest-1: Oh, yeah, here it is. POV. This is five seconds acer a white guy doesn't pay his taxes. [2:04:34] Guest-1: That audio is the beginning of legal man's excellent podcast, The Quash. Yes. So yeah, that is what will happen to you if you don't pay your taxes. I'm not simping for the IRS. I don't [2:04:45] Dave: want you to pay your taxes, but you have to. But you can be smart about how you pay your taxes. Get a CPA, get a tax lawyer. And if you need recommenda4ons and are in the Pacific Northwest area, boy, if I got some recommenda4ons for you, send an email to infoaThebacklash.net. We will make sure that you pay as liTle in taxes as legally possible. How about that? Is that a good way to go? Of course. Paulie B sent $15. I find your sugges4on about vo4ng local but not federal amusing, Dave, because I came up with the same exact idea independently. Trump's going to put in irons and I'm going to laugh. Trump's going to be put in irons and I'm going to laugh. The GOP is the greatest obstacle to real poli4cs in this country and I'm 4red of pretending they're not 07, y'all. Well, thank you. Yeah. Some4mes there's just thoughts in the air and they percolate. Yeah. And there was a 4me actually when Prince was recording purple rain. [2:05:41] Dave: He called his engineers at 2 o'clock in the morning and asked them to come out to his studio immediately because he needed to record and the engineers, they showed up and they started recording, you know, purple rain. And acer they finished recording the song, they asked him, why did you need us out here at 2 o'clock in the morning? He said, I had a dream that Michael Jackson had the same idea for this song and I wanted to record it before him. And there's something like to that, like an idea whose 4me has come has come and you've got to jump on it. So anyway, or Prince was on drugs, which we know he was or Prince was on drugs. [2:06:21] Dave: Kergan, 86 and $50. Hope you are all doing well. I will catch you on replay tonight. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. Do you have super chats on yours? I sure do. Okay. Purple rain. Great song. Purple rain. Okay. His engineer was my teacher back in college by the way. Really? Yeah, Susan Rogers. Cool. She's very, very fine. She also did bear naked ladies. [2:06:47] Dave: I always liked the bear naked ladies. Don't tell anybody, because everybody has told all of you. M. Goat says, welcome James, wish you all the best. God bless. Sorry, we kind of took a big [2:06:55] Rebecca: dump on him. Of course you did. $11 cheese. Disappoin4ng how people like Fuentes who know full well, the whole government as Zionists are cheering on this Maduro nonsense as if they let the heritage Americans do this one thing. It's nonsense. I know this has been something of a litmus test for people. Yeah, don't let this become a wedge issue. We've got. Oh, we absolutely should let this become a wedge issue. People are revealing their mental retarda4on on this and we're just going to get whiTled down to like five people that can be trusted. Yeah. And then we're going to get nothing done. Yeah. But I mean, good Lord. It's another calling. It's like COVID. Like, are you there? There has been a lot of people, though, that have that are like ou4ng themselves as like Brown Third World. Episode 106 [2:07:36] Dave: They like these lecists that like just woke up acer 23 with Gaza and it's like [2:07:42] Dave: stop. No, no, no, no. Nope. Ray Finkel. Ray Finkel. I don't like the sound of that. [2:07:48] Rebecca: Silver stacking will be called an4 symmetric, an4 symmetric. [2:07:54] Rebecca: Let's see. Jacob Winkleman. How many Jews do we have throwing money at us? [2:07:59] Dave: Speaking of Jews, I forgot. I got you a Christmas present. Oh, yeah? Yeah, hold on a second. Okay. I can get it really. Glad you guys clocked fishback. He seems [2:08:08] Guest-1: like a used car salesman. He leaned into cruelty a bit much for me in the Owen interview. I hope I'm wrong. Owen Shroyer. Oh, he's too smooth in interviews. He was very sweet. Bro, he came on like a skin suit. Yeah. Like he like he went from like looking like kind of 4red [2:08:25] Dave: and then he just perked right up with these answers that were perfect. Yeah. And it was a liTle [2:08:32] Dave: perfect. Have you guys seen Parks and Rec? Yeah. Okay, there's the scene in one of the later seasons where April and Ben are working for this poli4cian who they think is a robot because [2:08:46] Rebecca: he just sits in his office all day and they do all these tests. But he like he does the same thing. He just like pops up and gives perfect, perfectly delivered slick answers. Yeah. And I kind of felt it was a liTle skin suit. A liTle skin suit. Yeah. Okay, so anyway, Merry Christmas, Rebecca. Happy New Year. There's your Christmas present. Chocolate bomb bonds. Wait, this is Jewish. SeaTle chocolate presents and a sort of I see I see those are Hanukkah chocolates. Oh, I think they're yummy. I think they're like liTle dreidels. [2:09:24] Rebecca: Thank you, Dave. We've also got a coconut island. Now get ready. We've got a present from Mojack. [2:09:30] Dave: And that's addressed to you. There's coconut arsenic in there. Mojack would never. [2:09:36] Dave: Oh, can I have a knife or something? You don't need a knife. It's got. Oh, yeah, you do. You want here. I've got a liTle knife you can use. [2:09:45] Dave: Just a liTle knife. You want me to cut towards myself? No, you cut away. You cut away from yourself. You're joking. GoTa get a Bowie knife. This has a deer antler on the end. [2:09:58] Dave: GoTa give a big shout out to Buck Knives. Big shout out to Buck Knives. They're based here. Am I retarded? Give that to me. Here. Do you want me to help you? Yeah. Here. Look, I'll just. [2:10:08] Dave: Well, I'm looking at the chocolate. Son of a bitch. Maybe I'm a creme brulee. Episode 106 [2:10:14] Dave: Thank you, Jews. You can rip it now. Thanks. Nice. What do we got? What do we got? [2:10:22] Dave: What's that? This looks this looks a liTle third rikey. [2:10:28] Dave: What are we looking at here? Oh, if this is a big, should I unfurl this? Oh, I know what that is. Carry your crea4vity. And a white privilege card. Wow. Look at that. I don't know what this is. That's a white privilege card. Oh, thank you, buddy. Oh, is this have a [2:10:43] Rebecca: swaTs gun? Yes, yes. If it does, I can't hold it up. Yep. We cannot. Oh, we cannot. But look at that. That's, uh, I am so gonna hide this for my husband. It is original. You can hide it in my house. Can I get the liTle iron cross up there? You can hide it in my house. Yeah. Take [2:10:59] Dave: it down. Take it down. We also go check. You're the best. We also got a package here. And I believe I know. I goTa find out. Let me just double check. I forgot. I'm sure I got the right name. [2:11:16] Dave: Come on, you. Come on. It's not popping up in my feed. Oh, this is so good. Do you want one? [2:11:26] Dave: No, I've got a nico4ne thing in. [2:11:30] Dave: Let's see. DJ, maybe if I do that, because I'm preTy sure that that's what this is. Oh, yeah. So I think this came from MaT, the guy that sent the check. MaT. And I'm preTy sure. [2:11:44] Dave: No. All right, hold on. Yes. A gic from MaT. And is there like a super chat in here? [2:11:57] Dave: Because it usually is. But we know what this is. And we got one already, the DJI on the road mic. So we can go do. Yeah, we can go do like girl on the street interviews this summer, which I'm looking forward to doing. Do we have to call it that? But yeah. So thank you very much for this. We will work out what to do with that. And we also got a package from [2:12:18] Dave: Boss Riverdale. Does that ring a bell? I don't feel like I've seen any super chats from [2:12:24] Dave: Boss Riverdale, but here we are. You really should be opening this ahead of 4me. I know, I know. There could be a bomb in here. But maybe not. [2:12:37] Dave: Why are these like the best chocolates I've ever had? Really? Look at this. Minnesota Star Tribune. Let's see if I can hold this up. First, Pope from the US. Very nice commemora4ve. [2:12:51] Dave: And what else do we have here? I think that's just packaging. There's a leTer. [2:12:59] Dave: Turn the ship around by David MarqueTe. The true story of turning followers into leaders. Episode 106 [2:13:07] Dave: A book. And also some chocolate oranges. Oh, this is so sweet. Which I love. 2000 miles, Rebecca Rantz. Orange flavored chocolate gic. This orange flavored chocolate [2:13:20] Rebecca: traveled long and fast for me. This is a tradi4on to get one of these every year [2:13:25] Rebecca: for Christmas as a reminder of the blood, sweat and tears and soil moved to build the roads and tunnels for the transport of these goods. Very nice. Thank you so much. Oh, it's [2:13:35] Rebecca: during the depression oranges were some4mes the only gic people received under their Christmas tree. Yeah, I love the chocolate oranges. They're so good. We get one too. And I love our audience. And then yeah, this is this is great. This is a book about leadership. Very nice. [2:13:50] Dave: And a can of 100% pure pumpkin. Thank you very much. You can have one of those, obviously. They're not both mine. How do you open these? I haven't goTen one of these since I was a kid. [2:14:01] Guest-1: You have to slam it. You have to smash it on the ground. Do I have to do it on the ground? Can I do it on the table? I mean, you can. Sure. Right. Absolutely. [2:14:09] Dave: Let's take a double check and see if we've goTen any new super chats. [2:14:13] Dave: Woo. Oh yeah. That's hot stuff. You guys are so adorable. You know that? [2:14:23] Dave: Get back in the states. Look at that perfec4on. Oh, yeah. I did it. Oh, yeah. I'm not. I can't. I can't. I've had wine. That's my sugar for the day. I'm good on mine. Yeah. If you're good on super chats, I think we're good on super chats over here. Thank you, everybody for the big show. Mr. Fishback for coming on. That was fantas4c. Don't we have two more ads? Oh, yeah. Never mind. Hello. What are we talking about? Can't we get out of here? How can I possibly? All right, guys. Have a good night. God bless. [2:14:49] Dave: I'm so excited for our interview on Monday. Who are, oh, we are interviewing Thomas Rousseau from Patriot Front. And then I also think that we're going to have JD Hall. You remember that one of my first Dave Acer Darks or whatever? JD Hall came on. He just published a new book with Joel Webbin called The Hyphenated Heresy Going Acer Judeo-Chris4anity. [2:15:15] Dave: Do these taste like cigareTes? No. It doesn't smell like cigareTes. [2:15:22] Rebecca: Am I having a stroke? Yes. Definitely having a stroke. Okay. This is what happens when you fast and somebody puts a bunch of chocolate in front of your face. But yeah, the book, The Hyphenated [2:15:32] Dave: Heresy, is now out on Amazon, Judeo-Chris4anity. And so this was wriTen by Joel Webbin and JD Hall. Episode 106 [2:15:42] Dave: And I think we're going to have him on the show later this month. So stay tuned for that. That'll be very big, very nice. And in the mean4me, we've got to give a big shout out to our other sponsor, Idaho Tallow, North Idaho Tallow Company at IdahoTallow.com. They've got a new special going on, a limited 4me Valen4ne's gic box. So for all of the men out there that are cour4ng nice, fine young women, you want to, you know, you want to grease the skids a liTle bit? [2:16:11] Dave: Does that work? I mean, listen, I mean, you could get her flowers, but really, you could get her something much nicer than flowers. It'll help her skin look radiant and beau4ful [2:16:20] Dave: without any endocrine disruptors. Does this orange smell like cigareTes? [2:16:29] Dave: This is the best ad ever. So get your limited 4me Valen4ne's gic box. The order cutoff date is going to be the end of the month. So you have between now and the end of January to purchase one of these fine gic sets, truly tremendous, the best in the business. [2:16:51] Dave: My wife and I sent a bunch of Idaho Tallow stuff to our friends. And the, what people have been coming back at just like this is like literally the best shit ever. Where can I buy more? I know, it's amazing. The texture is so good. And yeah, it's handcraced in Idaho quality stuff with grass fed beef. It does in fact make a difference. They've got a soap of the month club, a you pick soap bundle, they've got all of their different sense, you will feel radiant and beau4ful [2:17:24] Dave: if you're a woman and if you're a guy, you're not gonna, you're not gonna turn gay, because it's not made out of petroleum byproduct. I actually used for the first 4me, I must say, some of their the balm, the Tallow balm, I used it acer I shaved today. And look, [2:17:41] Dave: I totally razor burned myself. And it doesn't really look like that anymore. So go to IdahoTallow.com, [2:17:51] Dave: get your Valen4ne's gic box, also got to give a big shout out to Antelope Hill Publishing. They are figh4ng the an4 white regime and equipping you with informa4on and knowledge that you need to equip this new genera4on of dissidents to fight. They have a varied catalog, including a newly updated and expanded third edi4on of Dr. Kevin McDonald's culture of cri4que, the essen4al modern text on Jewish iden4ty. Dr. Ricardo DeShane's magnum opus greatness and ruin. It's a defini4ve scholarly examina4on of European excep4onalism, as well as [2:18:23] Dave: books by Kerry Bolton, Paul Cursey and Josh Neil. Antelope Hill recently brought David Irving's iconic Nuremberg the last baTle in the print and have numerous transla4ons of historical works from eras such as Fascist Italy, Na4onal Socialist Germany and Civil War Spain, previously unavailable in English. 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I've been drinking the Nordic Blonde. It's absolutely fantas4c. You can get yours online at [2:19:43] Guest-1: above 4me coffee dot com and use promo code backlash 10. You get 10% off your order. That's above 4me coffee dot com. Wait, before we go, did I tell you that it looks like this St. Louis thing is actually going to happen? Oh, dear God, really? I know. Hey, listen, I'm not sure if I'm going to make it. What? I might go to Europe that week with my parents. April 11th. You have to April 11th. Okay. Okay. So is that acer that's like right acer Easter, right? Yeah. Okay. You goTa come figure it out. It'll be great. And I have been [2:20:17] Rebecca: nagging Devon stack into doing an appearance, an IRL appearance. And I think once he gets over the Euro trash aids that he has right now or whatever, Euro trash age, he's got some plague from being in Europe. Oh, he went to Europe. Once I think that I'm going to be able to nag him into this. It's looking really good. I got Basil, Lauren Chen, I've been wearing down Pete Kenyonas too. So that's looking good. Jay Dyer is in. Nice. I hypocrite. Dude, this is going to be, that's going to be a big thing. Yes, I know. Especially if they're all promo4ng it. It looks like I've got a venue. Oh, really? Yes. This is good. So if you're interested in coming to that, please shoot me a DM at blondes underscore tweets or an email at info at the backlash.net or on Instagram, you can find me at blonde beast one shoot me a DM so that I can get like a headcount because the venue is gonna I think it fits 150. Oh, wow. So that'd be a very exclusive [2:21:24] Rebecca: thing. You're gonna really I was thinking that was huge. I was like, are we gonna be able to sell these 4ckets? You have to buy your 4ckets early. Ah, maybe. It's my biggest fear. I'm already having nightmares about this being a terrible failure. It'll be fun. It'll be fine. Okay. It's okay. Don't even put that energy into the universe. So if you're interested in coming so that I can get some kind of headcount and get maybe some discounts on 4ckets or something like that, please contact me. I am painfully available. Yes. I'm like the easiest person to get a hold of on the internet. Check us out on Monday with Thomas Rousseau. This is gonna be awesome. Cameron is gonna be back in the States soon. So his internet's gonna be beTer. Yes. But yeah, thank you so much replay gang. We appreciate it. If you've stuck with us live, we really appreciate it. And just just to get like, not to get back into it or whatever, but like, [2:22:14] Dave: look, look at this, we didn't really talk about this. This is Venezuela's stock market. Like now. And so like, we talk about collapse. We talk about how the dollar is like, fucked and it's not good. This is more likely what will happen. [2:22:34] Dave: It's not like we're going to fall off a cliff. We're going to melt up. We're going to see asset prices like silver. They will melt up. And it'll be crazy. So yeah, do that. And don't forget we did have somebody, somebody went to our friends over at Blockstream. Somebody bought a Bitcoin wallet using our link. By the way, all of our links are available on our website. You can go Episode 106 to affiliate links right here. And you can buy Bitcoin, you can buy books, beef snacks. We've got a liTle book club, which you s4ll haven't put any books on that. But [2:23:10] Dave: what am I going to do to tell the audience to read Dastoyevsky and Pride and Prejudice? Thomas Sewell. Read Thomas Sewell. Okay. All right. Anyway, deal. All right. I think that does it. That was a preTy good show. This is the backlash. Follow us on X at real backlash. [2:23:25] Rebecca: Find all of our links on the backlash.net slash subscribe. We love you. Thank you so much for making this show happen. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. We'll see you on Monday. Bye-bye. No, no, no. We'll see you on Friday for TwiTer Space with Kenzie from Atlas Bullion. Yep. And with that, I've taken all the wind out of your six. I know. Yeah.