Episode 109 — The “Hyphenated Heresy” Exposed: Judeo-Christianity Destroyed with J.D. Hall

Episode 109 ? The "Hyphenated Heresy" Exposed_ Judeo-Christianity Destroyed with J.D. Hall 0:02:30 Rebecca Welcome to the backlash. I am your host Rebecca Hargraves joined as always by Mr. Dave Riley. 0:02:53 Dave How you doing Dave? I'm doing great. How are you? 0:02:56 Rebecca Really well rested and it's actually making me want to punch you in the face. 0:02:59 Dave It's great. Yeah, no, I instead of you know, scrolling, doom scrolling, what is going on here? I can't switch. Oh, you can't have it on me the whole time. I know my computer is freaking out. Instead of doom scrolling, you actually got some sleep. No, I was I was up late reading Rise of the Rike by our friends at Antelope Hill Press. So instead of having a blue light in my face, I was confronted with paper. I'm going to be doing an interview with them a little later today for the Antelope Hill podcast. 0:03:28 Rebecca So tune in for that. You can find us on X at real backlash, our website, the backlash.net. 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And this and we'll talk about this more, but this is a this is a 10 ounce bar of silver. It's like not that big. Yeah. You ever held one of these? Yeah. Yeah. You know how much that's worth? How much like a thousand dollars. This is going in the backlash vault. Is this ours? No, it's mine. I bought this for $200 without further ado. 0:05:58 Rebecca Today we welcome JD Hall. Do you want to do the intro? I can do the intro. That sounds really 0:06:03 Dave lovely. JD Hall is an author, a polemicist, a former pastor. He was the founder of Pulpit and Pen, which is now protestia. You might have seen some of these videos going around on social media of like crazy Protestants, like the little drummer boy thing where they've got them on wires getting flown in. Anyway, does a really great job of exposing some of the crazier, crazier deviations from biblical Christianity. He is the co-author of the new book, The Hyphenated Heresy. He is a sharp voice here for reformed theology, cultural commentary. JD joins us to discuss all of this and more. This is his new book, The Hyphenated Heresy. We have a link to buy the book in the show notes down below. So JD, thank you so much for joining us. No, no, Adia. I got it. It's my fault. That was my fault. Go ahead. Sorry. I said it is good to be with you, brother. Thank you very much. Yeah, this is actually the second interview that we're doing with JD on the program. Let me see if I can quickly get to the original one that we did a couple of months ago on one of my little Dave After Dark episodes. It was very well received. We've got a whole playlist over on YouTube. But yeah, the heresy of dispensationalism, how Christians betrayed Christ with JD Hall. So that is up on our YouTube and our Rumble channel. So you might want to go check that out if you missed it. But if you have missed it, 0:07:40 Rebecca can you tell us a little bit about what sparked your interest in exploring this concept of Judeo Christian, which I hear all the time, even in right wing circles, I hear people say that. I'm like, no, that these values are something potentially problematic. And how did that lead to the collaboration that you did with this book? Yeah, great question. So I mean, it's nothing new. 0:08:03 Dave Episode 109 I've been a polemicist for a long time, meaning that the area of expertise and theology that I've dedicated myself to over the years is polemical theology. Apologetics is usually considered defending the faith to those who are outside the faith. Polemics is defending the faith from those who claim to have your faith. And so with Judaism, or rabbinic Judaism in particular, it's a little bit of a mix of both, because obviously they don't claim Christ, right? They reject Christ. That's kind of the central purpose of their religion, which was created specifically for the purpose of being oppositional to Christianity. A lot of people confuse it with actual biblical Judaism, but that's not been a thing for a couple thousand years. However, Christians are too often under the misunderstanding that the faith that they practice is the faith of the Old Testament, that they're basically Abrahamic Jews minus Jesus. And so I've talked about this issue for a long time. I probably read my first book on Messianic Judaism 15 years ago, if I had to guess. And then I had done a lot of polemical work on the Hebrew roots movement, which is similar. It's a form of Judaism, essentially, the ancient heresy in the Bible. I would say probably the number one bugbear of the apostles in the New Testament would be the heresy of Judaism. And it's a spin-off of that. But about seven or eight years ago, I would say seven, probably. I actually had a member of what is called the 12 tribes. Sometimes they're called the 0:10:03 Cameron cult of the Yellow Delhi, actually infiltrate my church, pretend to be like-minded. He was sent 0:10:12 Dave from one of their cell groups in Colorado to my church, moved him there for that purpose, joined, took part in the fellowship, and then set about to kill my family. They literally put a hit on him. Yeah, he was stopped in the nick of time. I was out of town when it happened. We think that his goal was to go down in a gunfight with me. He actually, he texted and he's like, I'm coming for you. And I'm six hours away from home at that point, six and a half. And so I call my wife, I'm like, leave right now. She ended up like she lost her keys. It was a terrible panic. I said, go to the armory in the backyard, in the backyard, grab any gun that are all loaded and shoot whoever comes through the door. It was that chaotic an experience. While the police eventually arrested him, I've got the longest restraining order in state history against him. And he was sent by their leader who died just a couple years ago named Eugene Spriggs. You can find documentaries about the cult of the Yellow Deli or the 12 tribes cult, you know, 60 minutes has done an expose, stuff like that. And so that's when I really thought if these psychopaths want to kill me, what exactly do they believe? And so that's when I really threw myself into studying the subject, in particular, the difference between rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism, which represents well over 99% of practicing Jews on the face of the planet. And the Old Testament faith that we see in the pages of the Holy Bible, because it's not the real thing. It's a counterfeit, and it's a cheap one. True. You know, and it's funny, we talked about that, the hit that got put out on you, after we finished up our interview last go around, that didn't make the cut. But it's crazy to me because I've been dealing with some wild stuff up here with certain people, specifically this guy, Matt Blatt, Richard Matt Blatt, we believe that he is the owner of the Spokane Zionists Twitter account. And he's been, you know, defaming us and trying to get us Episode 109 canceled and trying to, you know, get the FBI to come in on us. But this guy, he used to work for Booz Allen Hamilton, this is his resume. He was an associate at Booz Allen Hamilton. He did PSYOps for the military, he was the psychological operations advisor. And it was just kind of crazy to me when you told me this, that they were so upset with your work that they literally sent someone out to do a hit on you. I'm like, geez, where have I heard that before? And I've been feeling like a crazy person for the past couple of years with this stuff. And it's like, oh, no, no, no, they really do that. And, you know, the Zionists of both stripes, Christian Zionists and Jewish Zionists, are really interested at that granular level of the at the county level. They're not just doing APAC stuff in Washington DC. They're not just concerned with the federal government. When I ran for school board and the Jerusalem Post and Herets and the Daily Forward came out, and then this guy moved up here six months later and has been like stalking me and you ever since. It's just, I'd never heard of anything like that before until I heard your story. So anyway, it was kind of validating on my part. I was like, oh, I guess I'm not actually crazy. Wow, they do this. 0:14:00 Cameron So, at insight to insight, I've done now four or five exposés on the very sophisticated foreign 0:14:07 Dave influence operation that Israel is running inside the United States for the purpose of infiltrating Christian churches and indoctrinating us in an Israeli first, you know, sentimentality. Basically, I call it, you know, religious interference. And it is sophisticated more so than you could imagine. It's to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars that they spend on an annual basis to assure that the United States sees itself as a protectorate for the nation of Israel. And if they have to twist and subvert another religion, no, that's no problem. That's what they do. And so, you know, I have no doubts that there are elements of the Israeli government that are right now inside American evangelical churches, claiming to be Christians for the purpose of subverting it. I mean, these are people, one of the things that I revealed, and I don't want to take credit for breaking that story. I just got further down into it than most people. I went further into the rabbit hole on it, but the geo fencing operation within American churches, what that showed was their level of sophistication and the detail with which they carry out their plans, where they know who the 200 most influential churches are. And they have a plan to reach the people inside those churches because the state of Israel holds on by a thread. Overall, in terms of geopolitics, it is the dumbest plan in human history to mass migrate Europeans with no roots or ties to the Levant to put them into Palestine and then expect that to go well. And so, they hang on by a thread. The only thing that keeps them alive is the United States. We are the very thing that is keeping them from being driven out from the river to the sea. And the support that they have in the United States is hanging on by a thread and it's held by American evangelicals. And so, right now, what you're seeing in this huge Christian Zionist push is because it's for one reason. And a lot of people aren't onto this. Even savvy folks that understand in terms of intelligence what's going on, they don't understand the reason this is happening. And it's because the cameras are about ready to roll into Gaza. They know that when the journalists and the cameras roll in Episode 109 and are allowed to start digging, exactly how many baby corpses they're going to find in the sand. And so, they are getting ahead of it as much as possible. That's also why they're delaying they're delaying it. They're throwing wrenches in that so-called peace process every chance they get because they've got more work to do in terms of what they call quote unquote public diplomacy in the United States to brace us from what we're going to see in Gaza. So, I would just encourage people to check out Insight to Insight. And I give the names of both the American evangelical leaders, the churches, and the 501c3 organizations that are on the take from the nation of Israel, in particular, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. You know, and it's incredible because we've been doing some of this exposing or whatever. If you go and watch those Dave After Dark videos that I've got up, one of these churches exists here in North Idaho, and they have been very active in getting involved politically in subverting the local political process. We're talking, of course, about candlelight Christian fellowship. There is an interesting ex-account that I definitely recommend everybody check out. It is called, where did it go? It is called Candle Dark Truth. Where did it go? I just had it up a second ago. Yeah, here it is. Candle Dark Truth. And these guys have been doing an excellent job of exposing all of the people that work for the Zionist church. They're essentially an outpost of the IDF. They bring in former Mossad. They bring in people that were involved in the Israeli Defense Forces, specifically a guy named Amir Sarfati, who was like a colonel in the IDF. And it's recently come out, thanks to, there was another local podcaster up here, Dan Wilson. And he got audio of Paul Van Noy, the lead pastor, the guy who declared himself a prophet at the pulpit, where he admitted that he allegedly sexually abused his neighbor's daughter. And then his own daughter was sexually abused, and he covered that up. And now it's coming out that like their youth pastor has felons in their youth groups. I mean, it's really crazy. And it's all in a part of this effort to ensure that the American right wing stays in this little Israel box. And what nobody's really talking about is that this, it could be a crime. There's something called transnational repression, which this is actually the FBI's website. When foreign governments reach beyond their borders to intimidate, silence, coerce, harass or harm members, and exile communities in the United States, that is transnational repression. So if you look even further on this website, it shows exactly the kind of things that they'll do, stalking, online disinformation campaigns, harassment, intimidation, threats, forcing or coercing the victim to return to their country of origin, threatening or detaining family members and friends, cyber hacking, assault, attempted kidnapping, attempted murder, like in the case with JD. And who was targeted? Political and human rights activists, dissidents, journalists, political opponents, and religious or ethnic 0:20:51 Rebecca minority groups. But what's the end game here? I mean, they have to understand that subversion is not going to work because of this emergence of an anti Zionist philosophy amongst total normies. They know that threats aren't going to work, especially on the local level. So really, what is the end game here? Because this is not going to be a stronghold for domestic pro Zionist policy. It's just this faction of evangelical Christians that are really hanging on. 0:21:20 Dave Episode 109 Well, in Idaho, and I want to get JD's take on this, but in Idaho for sure, there is a batch of new legislation that is being proposed by the Idaho-Israel alliance. 0:21:33 Rebecca Yeah, but this this shit never works. It never works. Once you get to the point. 0:21:37 Dave Listen, if they get this legislation through, right, they want to make it illegal. So they want to adopt the IHRA definition of anti Semitism, which would essentially make it illegal to say things like Ben Shapiro cares more about Israel than America. It would make it illegal to say Jews run the banks. It would make it illegal to say that Israel has an inordinate amount of influence on American politics. It would literally make that illegal. And then by making that illegal, and like a hate speech crime, they're also seeking to expand Idaho's malicious harassment law that would basically put you in jail for saying these things. And God forbid you wear a mask while you do this. Like if, for example, you're like Patriot front wearing a mask trying to protect your anonymity, then that would compound on top of it. You'd be looking at somewhere between five and 10 years in prison for speaking out against Jewish supremacism, Zionism, Israel. They're so they're trying, they're going for it. Yeah, but that's not going to create a cooling effect. 0:22:45 Rebecca It's just going to rally the cause. Sure. So what's what is their plan here? They must know 0:22:51 Dave that this is a losing proposition. I don't know, JD, what are your thoughts? Well, I mean, listen, they understand the threat and the position that they're in. Okay, so this is, for Israel, an existential crisis. Now, it's an existential crisis of their own making. But if they were to lose the ransom that we pay them every single year to keep us out of a nuclear Holocaust, then then they're toast. And so I think a lot of Americans hear about what we're telling them, like, listen, they're spending hundreds of million dollars a year to affect the way you think about the Bible. Like they're spending millions to make you misinterpret Genesis chapter 12, verse three, they are geo fencing churches. They are having not just Judaizing Christians, but rabbinic Jews write the Sunday School literature that you're using in your Christian Southern Baptist Sunday School literature. And the typical American hears this and thinks, it can't be right. That's over the top. Well, when you understand that they know they need the 0:24:07 Cameron support to live, to survive the situation that they're in in Palestine right now, then it makes 0:24:15 Dave sense you would to you would drop whatever dollar amount you had to drop to maintain your survival. But then when you take into account that most of the money that they're spending in bribing us is given by us to begin with, then it's really not that expensive and undertaking. And so it works the same way that any lobbying Episode 109 does really, you know, an industry spends a gosh awful amount of money on politicians, whether it's taking them out to steak dinner or, you know, 0:24:50 Cameron putting their second cousin on an advisory board and paying them a salary for doing nothing as a 0:24:57 Dave way of wink, wink, thank you for your service. And then in return, they don't get back millions, they get back billions. And so this adds insult to injury because not only are the Israelis spending a horrible amount of money on influencing, persuading and shoving propaganda down the throats of Americans inside our own churches, but they're doing it with our money. Oh, yeah. They're doing it and not just from, you know, the billions given to Israel each year for their military defense, but in the defense contracts and in the war economy that we've built of which Israel is the hub. And a lot of people don't understand what that is or what I mean by that, a global war economy. But since the end of World War Two, we've created an economic system in which the West in particular is the entire economy revolves around continued military conflict, all of it. And so it's just like, you know, in some places in the United States, you've got a service economy. Some places you've got an agricultural economy. Well, in the world, we have a war economy. Israel is the hub of that wheel. It's not the only place that wars can be had, but it's like the goose that laid the golden egg. So as long as there is military conflict in that region, then the military industrial process is going to be, excuse me, complex, is going to be getting rich. And so here's what I told folks just the other day at Insight to Insight, you might have noticed and, you know, they don't want us to notice things, but right, we can't help it. That's what we do. If you notice, shortly after the successful invasion and kidnapping of Maduro, all of a sudden talks of Islamic extremism went through the roof. It began to trend as a topic. It was immediate. It was overwhelming. Everywhere you look, just a few days after that event, you saw a major emphasis on the danger of Islamic terror. What's up with that? Why did that happen? Well, it's because a lot of people had a lot of hopes that whatever action we would take in Venezuela wouldn't be immediately successful. I'm not saying they wanted failure, but they were disappointed when we got in with 20 helicopters and got out. That's not what they wanted. And so they were deflated. It was a huge payday that did never happen. And so they moved on to the next agenda item, which is not a long military crusade and ground war in Venezuela, but it's got to be somewhere. And so there is a list. We've even seen the list, as a matter of fact, because Wesley Clark told us about it. But there is an actual list of nations that the military industrial complex wants to get to. And if it can't be one place, it'll be another place. And so immediately they start talking about the so-called dangers of Islamic terror. The reason I say so-called is because we don't understand how much of the rhetoric we hear in the news and in social media is pushed and propagated by the nation of Israel for their purposes. So I'm not saying Islamic terror is not a threat. It is, to some degree, but the facts are you're more likely to die from bee stings or your furniture falling on you than you are from Islamic terror. I mean, it is something that is a concern, but that concern can be almost completely mitigated by immigration law. So how much of an existential crisis is it for us, Islamic terror? If it's a problem that can be solved by sealing up Episode 109 the border and not letting these psychopaths in. So if it is a problem that can be solved by executive fiat, it's not a huge problem. And so it's not just religiously. We're being manipulated all the way around. What we think about, what we talk about, these are our daily agenda items for discussion that are given to us by Israelis. Very true. I'm trying to find this clip because it's one of those things to talk about. It's another thing to see it. Unfortunately, X's search function is just like not working today. Yeah. But there was this clip from a documentary that came out 15, 20 years ago. It was a Protestant church and the minister was explaining to the camera how important it is to indoctrinate the youth into supporting Israel. And he literally used that word, indoctrinate. Yeah. You might have seen this clip and it's just amazing that they're so open and brazen about it. 0:30:27 Rebecca Oh, yeah. Yeah. My friend recently, last night, she was telling me about this. She's recently red-pilled. She does a very forward popular facing YouTuber, popular on Instagram, evangelical Christian worship songs, the whole thing. And people approached her and they're like, we'll send you on this really wonderful trip to Israel. Oh, wow. And while she was in Israel with her husband, she was like, who's funding this? And nobody would tell her. And then at the end of the trip, which they really rolled out the red carpet, they were like, if you ever want to come back again, she still to this day has no idea who sent her. That's crazy. Yeah. I would never, 0:31:08 Dave they would put me in jail if I knew. But she didn't know anything. She was an evangelical 0:31:12 Rebecca Christian. She didn't know anything about this. And she was like, oh, I can learn more about the Holy Land. I can learn more about my faith. Right. It didn't work on her. 0:31:22 Dave Yeah. We call that a Potemkin tour. North Korea does the same thing. But this will give you kind of an example of what I'm talking about. You might have seen the clip that went viral, at least in some circles, of a guy by the name of Robert Stearns. And he was being awarded a prize, an award by the Jerusalem Post in New York last weekend. And he gave this talk at the awards program where he explains to crowds of, they were all Jews in the audience. And it was kind of funny because behind him, there were flashing the sponsors of the event. And like, it was banks. It's like, of course, banks are sponsoring this. That's the one. Yeah. But it's an Israel discount bank. Yeah. Yeah. And so the, what he says in this that was so offensive, first of all, he apologizes on behalf of Christians to Jews for all of our mistreatment. Right. Like, I don't make them apologize for crucifying Christ or stoning Stephen or getting Paul's head chopped off, but whatever. I've never gotten an apology from them. But he's apologizing on behalf of all Christians. And he says to them, he says, essentially, hey, it doesn't really matter if Jesus came or not. He says, it's all good because we, you know, we believe the Messiah came. You believe the Messiah is coming. And it doesn't really matter. It was a sermon of, or not a sermon, it was a talk of deep heresy. It was rank heresy of the highest Episode 109 caliber. So I 0:33:08 Cameron thought to myself, who's paying him? And I went down a rabbit hole and goodness sakes. I wrote 0:33:17 Dave all about it at insight to insight. Here's the tweet, right? I think that's the one. And that's the list that you're showing on the screen of all of the various organizations and influencers in the United States who are taking money to affect American religion on behalf of Israel. Yep. Salem Media Group is on there. The reason I highlight that is just because so many of these alternative, you know, right wing, dissident radio and podcast hosts are a part of Salem Media Network. I'm pretty sure who's that? Really? Yeah. I'll pull up. Think about what you're seeing there. He's claiming to be a Christian. He goes by the title pastor. He apostatizes on video. Like he basically denounces Christ or at least he denounced the necessity of Christ as though the first advent wasn't even necessary, like the death, the burial, the resurrection of Jesus. That doesn't matter. And he says, there is a new breed of Christians and what we're about is helping Israel. We're about Zionism. That's it. So the reason I brought that up is because you had said something a moment ago about the way that they condition us to support Israel. And a gentleman reached out to me and he says, 15 years ago, I was at a charismatic event. And this guy was doing the talk, the lecture. He's like a hyper-charismatic Pentecostal type. And he says, he laid hands on me and gave me an anointing. Well, at this point, that's not that weird. That's what these, that's their, that's their faith, their holy rollers, as we say, they do that stuff, whatever. But he says it was an anointing he said to love Israel. That was, it was a specific anointing to love the Israeli state. In the meantime, as you can see from my research at Culpett and Penn, that apostasy on screen there, that was brought to you underwritten by the Israeli government, specifically the Israeli department, the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. So that, how or why he doesn't have to register for phara. That's just a double standard in our law that shouldn't exist. Now, the first time I went down the rabbit hole is I saw Mark Levin quote, who he said was a notable Christian leader, so and so, who had basically called Tucker Carlson an anti-Semite or something. And I thought, you know, I know, I think I know most of notable Christian leaders in the United States. That's what I do. I don't know that name. Who is that? And so, it was the director of Friends of Zion. And when I began to unravel that, I wrote about this at Insight to Insight also, when I began to unravel the Friends of Zion, I saw that it also is run by, funded by, supported by the Israeli department or the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs. Also, ties to the IDF. And so, it's really sinister because it's presenting itself, and these guys all do it. There's so many different organizations, you can, you know, you had them up on the screen a second ago. They claim to be Christian ministries. They are not. They are Israeli organizations. They're funded by Jewish philanthropists and the Israeli government. But they're also funded by evangelicals in America because you've got grandma and grandpa putting their milk and egg money into the offering plate or mailing it in an envelope to these people. And they're under the impression that these folks are sharing Jesus or giving the gospel, the good news of Christ's death and resurrection and God's salvation of sinners to the Jews who desperately need to hear it. Or perhaps Episode 109 they're doing a benevolence ministry. They're taking care of hungry Jews as though that's a thing in Israel or whatever, maybe victims of October 7th. Because, and this is what upsets me, I know the people in the pew because I'm one of them too these days. These are good, honest, God fearing, well-meaning people, mostly in the Bible Belt, but not exclusive to the Bible Belt, who are giving their social security checks so that Jews who don't know Christ can come to know Christ. And that money is not going to that, not a single dime of it. It's all going to Israeli municipal projects and propaganda sent back to grandma and grandpa in the form of Sunday school literature or in a guest speaker who advertises himself as an evangelist, but he's not. He's a paid spokesman of the Israeli state. 0:38:58 Rebecca How strong do you think the stranglehold is on evangelical youth? Because it seems like most of this is being retained through the elders of the evangelical community. So there will be an organic shift once they die. So thankfully, I can report not strong, not as strong as it once 0:39:18 Dave was. And so we kind of have a joke sometimes about the Fox News generation, the boomers. And they get, so a second ago, when I downplayed the danger of Islamic terror, anybody who's watching Fox News is freaking out at that point, right? They are pounding the steering wheel, they're cursing me out. They're like, what do you mean? What do you mean? It's obviously, this is like a civilization Indian event. Like they're chopping heads off in Europe, right? Because they look at the world fundamentally differently than those of us who have access to information that isn't propaganda. And so young people are not buying the Israeli propaganda the way the older people are, because they're not subject to it. It's too much information coming from too many different places that can not all be filtered by Jewish influence. If all there was was five networks and a couple of different radio networks around the country, it would be pretty easy. And it was effectively to give us a load of bull crap and call it gospel. But there's so much different news coming from different directions that it's impossible for Israel to control. I mean, young people are savvy. I was talking to a kid recently in person and I explained to him, I thought I was I thought I was sounding pretty cool. I'm like, listen, if I want to know what's going on in Palestine or in Gaza, I get on a VPN and I'm explaining to him how I get on the dark web to read the real news. And the kid is like, yeah, I do that every day. It just comes it comes natural to them. And so they're not inundated as the older people are, which is why the Israelis are trying so hard to to ratchet up that propaganda because they're in deep trouble. 0:41:31 Cameron The typical young person looks at what's happening in Gaza and says, why is this happening? What 0:41:37 Dave is going on here? Like, why are you? This is a war. This is shooting kids in a barrel. Yeah, exactly. You know, they're not they're not buying the crap and Israel's in trouble. They know that. And you know, it's interesting just, you know, because I'm fucking obsessed with where where I live. I'm obsessed with Idaho. We saw Episode 109 recently we were talking about the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Just a couple of months ago, they brought a delegation from Idaho to Israel as a part of their 50 States One Israel event. And it's amazing, it was paid for by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. We see here in this photo, we've got Josh Tanner, Barbara E. Hart, Bruce Skog, John Shirts, and these are all Republicans. Okay. And who's this right here? That is Ilana Rubel. She is a Democrat. She's Jewish. She's pro LGBT, pro trans, pro union, total left wing nut job. But they all come together on the Israel. And it's like, this is what we've been talking about when we've been talking about rhinos, that rhinos exist, the uniparty and all this stuff. And it's just amazing that this happens. They are now proposing legislation, right? But I'm the crazy one 0:43:03 Rebecca for noticing it. But there's a natural into this because they are very proactively delegitimizing the two party system. Like if you talk to anybody from Gen Z, Gen Alpha, they're like, Democrat or Republican, who gives a crap? This doesn't make a difference. And that's because of this. 0:43:20 Dave Yeah. Oh, 100%. Do you think that we're going to see like real change JD in our lifetime? Or do you think that they're going to somehow be able to put the genie back in the bottle? And and keep limping along? So I'm not nearly as optimistic about that. I am the youth because the problem is the money power and influence is not in the hands of the youth. And it's not going to be in the 0:43:49 Cameron hands of the youth for another 40 years. And so, you know, power is always weighted on the, you 0:43:58 Dave know, the latter years of life. And so right now, our world is run by 80 year olds, who were inundated with post war consensus, mid war propaganda mythology. And so it's going to be a while before these kids are are in charge. And another thing that could happen is the same thing that happened with the hippies in the 60s. You know, those those people were, you know, peace and love, you know, not, you know, they weren't they weren't war mongers. That's what they stood against. And by the time it was said and done, those hippies are the ones who became neocons and picked up right where their parents left off. And they've been war mongers. You know, these are now the 70 year olds that are are causing wars all over the world. And so people can be a lot of corruption can happen in that period of time. But what will change is public perception of Israel. It just may not be public perception that can affect power and change right away. I mean, if there's anything that the United States relationship with Israel shows us, it's that our leaders in Washington doesn't care what we think, at least when it comes to foreign policy. They're going to support who they want to support. They're going to fund the wars that they want to fund. I mean, yesterday, I saw a video, excuse me, a photograph of Lindsey Graham that he tweeted out with the director of Mossad in Israel. Now, he's a US senator who spends I don't know how many times has he gone to Israel dozens in the last year or two. He's almost like Ted Cruz. Like I would just want to ask Cruz, like you know that you live in Texas, right? Like you Episode 109 serve the people of Texas. I don't know if these guys even know that. But anyways, when Lindsey Graham posts a photo with the director of Mossad, it's not that he's clueless. He's not clueless. He is rubbing it in our faces. You understand that he's gaslighting us. It's like, you think that I'm an Israeli asset. Of course I am. What are you going to do about it? You can't stop me. And so it's really hard to overcome that. That's why we have to work hard to just get people to see the truth and respond to the truth. So what I'm trying to do is give people the theology they need to understand that as a Christian, you do not have obligations to the modern nation state of Israel. My job as a theologian is to explain to Christians what the Bible says and what the Bible doesn't say. So I think there's a lot of good resistance right now. There's a huge resistance effort against Zionism, but it's mostly in the form of hilarious memes. Well, they are attacking us theologically and we need to be defending ourselves theologically. So when people claim, hey, as a Christian, I have to support Israel because Genesis chapter 12 verse 3 says, I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee. And you need to be able to say, are you aware that Galatians chapter 3 exposes that text and that it emphasizes the apostle Paul that this is not at all about Jews, but it's about Jesus. Are you aware that the apostle Paul in this chapter says, anyone who believes is a child of Abraham because we are one with Christ and Christ is the one who was promised, then we are joint heirs with Jesus. And Paul says, we Christians are the heirs of that promise. That means I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that curse thee have, it has nothing to do with the state of Israel. That is a promise for Christians. So when you are attacking Tucker Carlson and calling him devilish because what he doesn't want to support more of Israel's wars, you're doing the opposite of the Abrahamic promise. You are cursing those who bless Christ in order to bless those who curse Christ. Like, are you aware of what Talmudic Judaism teaches? Are you aware how it is antithetical to the Christian religion? Did you know that Talmudic Judaism is not older than Christianity? Did you know that it's newer than Christianity by upwards of 600 years newer, that it was written to oppose Christ, that its values are antithetical to the Christian faith? Well, most evangelicals don't know that. So, you know, that's why I'm writing books and stuff. Thank God. No, thank God that you are. And, you know, we're Catholic and it's one of those things we talked about this a little bit that, you know, I think that this could be a really positive way for Catholics, Orthodox, reform Protestants such as yourself to be able to come together in a way because normally we're all like, you know, pointing fingers at one another, you're calling us a popist or a papist, you know. And it's great because we're finally starting to see the Catholic Church wake up a little bit and start making some statements about this just yesterday, two days ago. Two days ago, the patriarchs and heads of the churches in Jerusalem, specifically, this is Cardinal Pizzabala, who I wish I wish he was Pope, but whatever. He put out a new statement saying that Christian Zionism misleads the public, so's division, harms unity, and is a quote damaging ideology. We haven't heard the Catholic Church weigh in on this like this probably since the days of Cardinal Raphael Mary de Val, which is like 1927. So it is... So David, I'm what you call a Protestant who's still protesting. So, you know, Halloween is Reformation Day in my household. And I would not ordinarily cooperate or partner with Roman Catholics, all right, and whatever. That's weird. That's just, listen, I'm feisty. All right, I'm a member of the Orange Order, so it's just like, we'll go down fighting. The Episode 109 first time I made an exception was with, I was speaking at the Stand Against Marxism Conference with Michael Hitchborn of the Lepanto Institute, which is a Roman Catholic, I don't know, resistance organization, I guess. And he was in the room and I told him, you know, you're protesting the Pope so much, you should just, you know, join us. But my comment at the time was, I really want to get cultural Marxism defeated, which by the way, here's the crazy... I'm gonna go on a chase rabbit for a second. The crazy thing is, the guys right now standing up for Israel so strongly in the Reformed 0:51:56 Cameron Protestant camp, like Michael O'Fallon or James Lindsay, for that matter, 0:52:06 Dave they were helping us in our fight against the Frankfurt School, which was Jewish. So it's like, I don't understand why you're chill with all of them, you know, right now. But anyways, my joke was, I want to get cultural Marxism destroyed so that we can go back, Protestants and Catholics, we can go back to fighting each other like God intended. And I've got, yeah, I've got beef with the Orthodox, like I believe in penal substitution, that's pretty important to my faith. They deny that. But my gosh, they have been so good on this issue of Israel. And they are being a witness for the indigenous Christians. By that, I mean, they profess Christ in Gaza. And no one else, besides the Orthodox, are giving them a voice. Because you can talk about the dangers of Islam right now. The nation that is actively persecuting and killing Christians is Israel, because those suckers have bombed churches in Gaza six times, conveniently, when they're in service. It's like the nuke that we know the atomic bomb, we dropped down the chimney, literally down the chimney in Nagasaki of the only church in Asia. You're like, is that coincidence? Is that coincidence that they only hit the churches in Gaza when they're worshiping? Right? And so they're actively persecuting the Christians there. And the Orthodox, you know, they've been there forever, practically. And so I have admired their courage on this issue. Yeah. I'm going to ask the question that I always ask, 0:53:53 Rebecca because I'm a broken record when we talk to anybody that's a religious philosopher that's a theologist. My issue with Catholicism, I'm a bit of a lapsed Catholic. You need to go to church, you need to go to confession. I know, I know. I am concerned based on what I'm seeing expressed in the movement right now, that if we unite under the cause of anti Zionism, that it is not going to be enough. Because if we usher in an era of racial universalism, I feel like, what is the point? Why are we even like we we combatted the evils of Judaism so that we could still have a degenerate multicultural society? And that makes me want to peace out on Catholicism. I like what pizza balla has to say. This is great. This is an excellent development. I'm happy to see it makes me proud to be Catholic. But when I look at some of the other developments within the Catholic Church, I'm like, I, I can't, I can't do this. I cannot in good faith do this. So what do you think? Do you think that rallying under the anti Zionist cause is enough of a unifying factor if we are ignoring the larger, broader multicultural issue that really is affecting us more in our day to day lives? I don't know the answer to that necessarily. Episode 109 0:55:08 Dave I will say this. It is interesting that Catholics in general are much better on the the issue of Israel than what evangelicals are. And that's because we are susceptible to their religious propaganda because of the influence of dispensationalism, the eschatology that was created in 1821 in Darby's Irish basement. And so we are inundated with that. We're the ones with the Scofield Bibles, not the Papists. But that said, your leadership is the worst, absolutely the worst. I mean, I, I, as bad as Protestants are, at least it's not the head of our church doing that because Catholics in general, and not just us, here's the thing, I don't want to broad brush, broad brush all Roman Catholics. It is largely the Jesuit order that is doing mass migration, facilitation in the Western Hemisphere. It's Jewish NGOs, about 80% of Muslim mass migration in Europe and America is done by Jewish NGOs. But the other 20% American mass migration, it's about 80% is Roman Catholic. Yes. And so you guys have to knock that crap off. Oh, yeah. Please. Oh, I mean, this has been a huge thing. And you know, if you're if you're Catholic and you're watching this program, I implore you to stop, I just was trying to put two words together. Stop paying your tithes, stop giving money to the Catholic Charities, stop paying the Sunday offering and start putting in letters into the basket that says, I will resume once you've disbanded and dissolved Catholic Charities, because that is the primary thing. And that's such a good idea. There's a mechanism that's happening here where after Vatican II, the church relinquished its title as Teacher of Teachers, right? Because that's what the church always said. We're the teaching church, we're the teacher of teachers, we have the deposit of faith, we have the truth. And after Vatican II, you know, John Paul II comes out and says, Oh, we're a pilgrim church, we're a pilgrim church on our journey together towards the truth, implying that the church doesn't hold the truth, implying that the church is seeking true, we're trying to find it, we don't really know what it is. And it was like at that moment that people started to leave, because they're like, well, hey, if you don't have the truth here, then we're going to go look for it, we're going to go try to find it. That's what happened to my dad in 1972 when he left the church. And we have that too in even Joculism, because our young men are becoming Catholic and Eastern Orthodox, because of not just this issue, but we're prone to the sensitivities, the secret friendly sensitivities. And I point out to Protestants, because I don't want to see that happen. I'm like, you know, we have as Protestants a reputation of schism, like we're born in schism. And that, you know, from my perspective, I think it is the Roman church that schism from us, but that's just, that's just, I just say that to guess. Obi-Wan Kenobi, all the buttons on your point of view. Your last pope, like he was a schismatic, in my opinion, and not just my opinion, he was charged with heresy by what, how many hundreds of cardinals and or leaders in the Catholic church, whether it was pushing a female deaconate in South America, the worship of the Pachamama goddess on the Vatican lawn, saying that homosexuals, unrepentant homosexuals go to heaven, claiming that atheists go, I mean, he was a universalist. And I really don't think this pope is going to prove to be much better. And not only that, I'm confident that Francis was a thoroughbred Marxist. And so, nobody's perfect. And so, and that, and by the way, the Eastern Orthodox historically have rolled over historically, over and over and over again, at pivotal points in their own history, to tyrannical power, repeatedly, say, in Russia, for example. So, all of that said, we all have our own problems. And I would just Episode 109 encourage nobody change your faith on account of the stupid things that your leaders do. Yeah, like, I'm not trying to discourage Catholics from becoming Protestant. But I'm saying, grow deeper in your faith and make a difference where you are, where God has placed you. And most importantly, figure out for yourself what the Bible says. And then choose your religious affiliation based upon whether or not they're doctrineally correct. Because if an organization needs to be reformed, I believe God will do that. The problem is Christians, Catholic, Orthodox, evangelical, doesn't matter. Nobody knows their Bible well enough. Because if they did, and they hear Ted Cruz say, I support Israel because of the Abrahamic promise, he wouldn't be able to continue speaking over 1:01:17 Cameron jeers and laughing. You got to be laughed out of the room for that crap. It's so absurd. 1:01:23 Dave I think there is, I was going to say, I think that there is a really easy measuring stick that we would both agree on. And that is, if you walk into a church, and there's a woman at the pulpit, you turn around and leave, find a different church, find one where there isn't a woman. 1:01:39 Rebecca I think we could all agree on that. If you would be amenable to it, I think we have some audience questions, would you mind answering a few? I can try. Let's see here, this is from 1:01:49 Dave Booktrak Gruz, who sent $10. Excuse me, hold on. 1:01:53 Rebecca I have the plague every time I come over. Listen, this is what happens when the kids 1:02:00 Dave go to school. It's a Catholic plague. Yeah, true. We're anti-vax, we're anti-doctor, and then we send the kids to school, and it's like a Petri-ish, and all kinds of crazy things grow. Booktrak Gruz sent $10. Oh, this is not good. Your book lacks falsifiable prophecy, Deuteronomy 1822, Romans 11, 25 to 29, and clarity, Revelation 1, 3, and 227. Non-falsifiable hermeneutics undermine Christian apologetics and biblical authority, J.B. Payne. Do you know what that means? Me neither. Me neither. Okay. Well, I said it. Sorry, Booktrak Gruz. That sounded like a word salad from an angry person. I mean, bless him. I just don't know what he's saying. Yeah, that's us most of the time. Did he say it lacks falsifiable prophecy? Biblical law? It lacks falsifiable prophecy. Oh, I was reading the wrong one. Deuteronomy 1822. I'd have to look all of these up because I'm a Roman Catholic and I don't do like that. Well, it better not contain any prophecy. I'll tell you that right now. Right, and this is something that... I'm a cessationist. We don't do prophecy and lessons in the Bible. Right. Well, I mean, this is one of those things where like, there are, and I think some of our legislators here in Idaho are a part of these Episode 109 prophetic cults that take portions of the Bible and then private revelation, and they try to use that as a way to explain what we're seeing in Israel. It's the Gog and Magog war. This is the end times. Jesus is coming back next week. This was all over TikTok a couple of months ago, people selling their houses and preparing for the imminent return of Jesus. And I just... The faith is not, at least from my perspective, because we do have a tradition in the Catholic Church of like the Blessed Virgin Mary or Jesus appearing to a very saintly person. But the faith should not be dependent on any type of prophecy at all. And as far as I'm concerned, 99% of the prophecy that's in the Bible has been fulfilled. Like when they're talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and one is in the field and one will be taken, that was talking about the onslaught of Titus against Jerusalem in 70 AD. Like, sure, there might be a couple of things about like, the seven seals, the trumpets, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, but that's like a tiny sliver. What's interesting is the dispensationalism of Darby that was then taken by Scofield and disseminated. Of course, the claim is not that Scofield tampered with the Bible. We're talking about the marginal notes in the Bible teaching Darby's dispensationalism. Darby actually got that from two Jesuit priests, Francisco, Rebera, and I'm trying to remember the other one, but they were trying to find a way in the 1600s, in the middle of the Reformation, a way to argue with Protestants who claimed that the Pope was the Antichrist. And so they came up with what we would call futuristic eschatology, where almost everything is in the future. And Darby extrapolated that, and we know that for a fact, and that's where this horrible thing and even Jokelism came from. So thanks a lot, the Catholics actually brought this. Well, yeah, we discussed that in this video. What I've talked was, the Bible says right now, we look through a glass darkly. The Bible does tell us what is coming in the eschaton, in the end. And there are prophetic passages. However, we need a strong dose of humility when we are interpreting those things. We know for certain some things will happen, such as the return of Christ, he's coming to judge the quick and the dead, the resurrection of the dead is coming. These things will happen. The order may be a little bit more humble with, because we look through a glass darkly. So the way I phrase it is, of your theology, eschatology, should be the caboose, not the engine. What has already happened is clear, like we know Jesus rose from the dead. Looking backwards, hindsight is 20-20. We can be sure about the things that have happened and can stake our life on it. There's a little bit less confidence you ought to have in your understanding, not lack of confidence in God to keep his promises, but in your capacity to understand those promises. The problem with pre-millennial dispensationalists is they view their version of future events with as much confidence as they view the Gospels and the resurrection of Christ. And that's how you get wonky and weird. Yep. Oh, no, absolutely. And we did discuss in this beautiful video right here. We discussed a lot of this stuff, especially with the Jesuits, with the foundation of dispensationalism, Darby, and all of that. So if you haven't watched- I don't mean to repeat myself. No, it's okay. It's okay. A lot of people, it's super interesting with our show, right? Because we get a lot of people that watch our Wednesday show, that don't watch the Monday show, and people that watch Monday or Wednesday that hate me, and they don't watch any of the solo shows that I do. So there's a lot of good information. We've got a playlist on our YouTube channel. It's called After Hours with Dave, and you can watch the interview with JD Hall right there. And can Episode 109 I make a clarification quickly, too? I don't want anyone to misunderstand it. When I talk about a futuristic eschatology, I'm what you call a historic premillennialist, meaning that. I do believe that a lot of prophecies are futuristic. It's called historic premillennialism, because it is, it's truly the oldest and most historic eschatology of the church as best that we can tell. What Darby invented was not historic premillennialism, but it was premillennial dispensationalism. It sounds the same, but it's not. In fact, it's really not even similar, okay? So with that perspective, the reason why that is dangerous is because it changes so much about what we believe in regard to how God views us as human beings chiefly, that God is not a respecter of persons. There is in God's eyes no Jew or no Greek, no Gentile. God does not favor someone on account of their ethnic ancestry. And so that's why we're not believing that God has a special deal with Jews. And so historically, the Christian Church has always held, whether you're Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, whatever, we've all held to one form or another of covenant theology, which says God has one special people, one chosen 1:09:49 Cameron nation, one family. And that would be those who have faith in Jesus Christ. And that's something 1:09:58 Dave that Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox and Anglican high church, low church, doesn't matter. Anyone prior to 1821, we should all be able to agree that the apple of God's eye, his chosen people, are those who have chosen Christ. Yeah, I was just thinking that reminds me there's this prayer. Let me see if I can pull up on the screen. And it'll of course, probably annoy you a little bit. But this is the modernist version of it. They change the to you. But it's to the Oblessed Joseph, do we come in our tribulation having employed the help of Ithrais, holy spouse, blah, blah, blah. But it talks about, we humbly beg you to graciously regard the inheritance which Jesus Christ has purchased by his blood and assist us in our needs by the power and strength. But it talks about that we are the chosen, we are the chosen, that Christians are the chosen people of God. They might have deleted it actually, it looks like from this prayer, but protect the chosen people of Jesus Christ, keep far from us most loving Father, a blade of error and corruption. And 1 Peter chapter two, the apostle Peter says, you speaking to the church, the elect, that's how he begins the epistle. You, the church, are God's chosen nation. It says you are his special people. We are his royal priesthood, us. And so like, who's even in my church, my pastor will refer to God's chosen nation and he's talking about Israel. And it's like, you know, I put up with that because, you know, he loves my family and I love him. But like God's chosen nation is the church. And the Bible explicitly refers to us as Israel. Yep. Now, if you listen to the apologists on X or in social media, they'll be, you know, they'll tell you very emphatically that the church is never called Israel. That's just not true at all. As a matter of fact, it's the apostle Peter who again refers to the church as the true Israel of God. It is the apostle Paul says, all who believe are children of Abraham. And there's a couple of times where it refers to unbelieving Jews as Gentiles. And so the scripture couldn't be clear that there's only one Abrahamic faith. There's not three. There's one. Yep. And Christians are the faith of Abraham. Amen. The Old Testament is that's our book. That's not their book. That's our book. That belongs to Christ. True. Booktrack Episode 109 roofs and $10. Do you argue for applying biblical law to civil society? Does the New Testament silence on civil law mean a prophetic pause or a mandate for the church to restore old covenant judicial laws? I feel like this person has set me up. So there is a topic called Theonomy. Okay. And it was promoted by three leaders in particular, RJ Rush, Duny, Greg Bonson, and Gary North. And Theonomy means God's law. That's what the term means. But what it teaches is that the exhaustive detail and those that term is important, the exhaustive detail of the mosaic civil code should be applied to government today. All right. So let me give the breakdown on covenant theology. A minute ago, I said, whether you're a Catholic, Anglican Protestant, you hold to some kind of covenant theology. The Christian church historically has taught what's called the tripartite divide of God's law, meaning that it's separated into three. And then God is the one who separated it. There is the moral law, that which is righteous and good or forbidden and unrighteous defined by God, because it is in accordance to his immutable nature. And the clearest representation of that moral law is the Ten Commandments. All right. So we would believe the moral law existed before Moses and it exists now. It's always been wrong to murder. Like Cain murdered Abel, he was punished. This was before Moses. So like what's right and wrong never changes. There's also the ceremonial law. God didn't write the ceremonial law into tablets of stone. He didn't speak it out loud on Mount Sinai. It's different. And the ceremonial law would be all of the different rites and rituals of the cultic religion of ancient Israel. It would be things like the feasts, the festivals, Passover, circumcision, the festival of booths that you read about in the Book of John, the dietary law. All of those various types and shadows preaching to people before Christ about Christ. So when Jesus shows up in the Book of John at the Festival of Booths or tents or tabernacles, Jesus says, Hey, you're worshiping me. I'm the bread of life. I'm the living water. I'm the light of the world. Jesus is saying all of these various rituals, even the dietary code, points to him. And so historic Christian faith says we don't observe those that ceremonial law anymore. You can get circumcised. We might recommend it, but you don't have to. And praise God. You can eat bacon if you want to. That's okay. That's perfectly good. And we would point to the scripture, which clearly teaches this. It's Mark chapter seven. Jesus made all foods clean. Acts chapter 15, the first Apostolic Council. The disciples get together and make this pronouncement. Acts chapter nine, Peter's dream, all of that. But then there's the civil code given for Israel. That's the third type. The civil code would be the mosaic penologies. In other words, the laws given to Moses for the governance of ancient Israel. Theonomy says America should follow all of those laws verbatim. To answer the question, no, I don't believe that the civil laws must be enforced verbatim because we're not Israel. And this is not that time and place. And that's the historic Christian answer. However, I would agree with my confession of faith, which says that there is the general application of universal moral principles within that legal code. I mean, the scripture itself says all scripture is given by God and is valuable for reproof, correction, and training, and godliness. So I would say we don't need to stone to death a promiscuous woman on her father's porch anymore. I'm not for that. But it does teach us a thing or two about a father's responsibility to make sure his daughter's not a hoe, right? And so that would be my answer. In terms of the civil law, there's wisdom there and that wisdom should be applied to government today. Yeah. And so, yeah, we have a nice little diagram here. Episode 109 Judaism, fun, I would encourage you, if you go to YouTube, I did a debate on this subject with Joel McDermott of American Vision in 2014 in Phoenix, you might want to check out that debate. All right. Yeah. Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, no bacon. Christian, we got funny hats and bacon. Ha ha. You know, after the guy infiltrated our church, he on the Awana form, it's a children's program, he said, no pork. And I pulled him aside. And I said, what's up with the no pork, man? Like, are you a Judaizer? What's the deal? Is this just for diet? And he says, yeah, it's just a dietary thing. I don't think it's healthy. So no gelatin, products, no marshmallows, no pork. And I let it pass. And so after, you know, he tried to kill us, I kind of made a joke that says, if anybody joins the church from now on, they have to eat bacon as an initiation ritual. Okay. So I think that from time to time, you might want to prove your Christian Gentile bona fides by a good slab of bacon. You know, that was actually a funny thing that happened in the early all right, when we were all networking back in 2016 and 2017, when we would like go to meetups and stuff like that. Everybody would make a point of ordering like ham and eggs for breakfast, just to prove. Booktruck rooms. Well, you know, that's the that's the tradition of the the Easter ham, right? So the reason ham is a tradition is because it was, it was a way in which Christians would rub it in the face of Jews that because Jesus has risen from the dead, we can eat ham now. So don't don't stop keep the Easter ham tradition. There's a reason. Yeah, it's good stuff. Booktruck grooves and $10 JD Hall. Have you ridden a horse? Supercessionism and replacement theology. I'm trying to understand these meanings, Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants are under attack. No more infighting, more talks. So, I mean, I'm confused about the horse thing. Well, have you ridden a horse? Well, yeah. Okay, based. Yeah, he just he asked everybody if they've ridden. I used to hunt elk in the mountains, you know, like, on horseback get to where we need to go. I'm not a horse guy, but I've I've ridden plenty of horses. What was he saying about replacement theology? I guess he said that he's trying to understand Supercessionism and replacement theology. If you want to give a quick rundown on that. The term replacement theology is a pejorative. It's meant to be insulting to those who hold the covenant theology. So if you look on the X feed of Dinesh De Souza, who by the way, is also on the take of the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs, he will I think it was just yesterday. He was bashing what a replacement theology as though that's not the only theology that existed for 1800 years. You know, he's condemning every Christian who lived before then and a great many after. Yeah, there we go. You can see it on the screen there. So they mean it as an insult. There is a chapter of my book hyphenated heresy dedicated to replacement theology. And I said, I don't have a problem with the term. Here's why God did replace the old covenant with the new covenant. And we know that because the Bible tells us that specifically. It says the new covenant is better and the old one has passed away. Jesus did replace the Jewish temple. He destroyed it by his decree. Then he replaced the Jewish temple with his own body. Jesus replaced the Jewish priesthood with his own the priesthood of Melchizedek. If you understand that that prophetic reference, Jesus replaced the Jewish Sabbath with the Christian Sabbath. Jesus replaced the Passover with the Lord's Supper. I mean, Jesus is observing the Passover and then institutes a new ordinance, a sacrament communion or the Eucharist in his own blood. And so there was lots of replacement that the scripture did. But we would say we wouldn't frame it as replacement. We would frame it as fulfillment. Episode 109 Jesus fulfilled these types in shadows. He fulfilled all of that. And so I would not say necessarily that the church replaced Israel. That's too weak. What happened is the church is Israel. We're the chosen people. We're the people of God. We are the beloved belonging to God. We're the bride of Christ. Abraham is our father. He's not yours. He belongs to Christians. And so do I hold a replacement theology? Sure. I don't frame it that way. It's covenant theology and every Christian you've ever heard of prior to then believed it. Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield, Polycarp, Athanasius, Arrhenius, Aranaeus, Eusebius, Clement, Augustine, St. Thomas of Assisi, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, Spurgeon, all of every Puritan preacher who helped found the United States all held to what they call replacement theology. Yep, 100%. And I believe it's in Mystici Corporese by Pope Pius XII. He affirms that as well. Last super chat, at least that I see is from the Orthodoxer who sent $10. All this talk about Protestant churches being Judaic makes me happy. I'm an Orthodox Christian. We don't have that subversive trash at all. Also, happy Robert E. Lee Day, not Martin Luther Wee was Kang's Day. And yeah, it's where I just had it up on the on the screen. Where did it go? Here it is. The F from from your your local FBI office. Today, the FBI honors the life and work of Dr. Martin Luther, Kang, Jr. and reaffirms our commitment to fairness and equal justice for all, which is kind of a lot coming from the FBI. Also, tell us more. MLK was a sodomite. He was a rapist, and he was a filthy, dirty communist. And so we should abolish Martin Luther King Day. And Luther Martin Luther King denied the deity of Christ, the resurrection, Yep, scriptural inspiration. He was a heretic on top of a homosexual. Amen. Yeah, that's so true. JD, if you want to just give a brief shout out to all the places people can find you, we'll put it up on the screen. I don't think we talked about our book. Well, we did a little bit. You can. It's still number one on Amazon and in the in its various niche niches. Yeah, you can see it there on screen. 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Have you guys been enjoying the clipped out segments? Yes I'm going to post the rest of them today. Okay because we're doing a new format to try to be handling one topic at a time instead of just ranting for two hours. Right and I think 1:34:14 Rebecca that our clips will have more chance of going viral if we don't if they aren't embedded in a three hour show. True. So we're trying to change the format a little bit. We're doing it for you 1:34:23 Dave guys. Make sure you like and subscribe and share our videos. We are we're gaining some steam here. Where was the where did it go? Did I have it up? Is it over here? We were just featured today on the nation. In the nation. Can you read this? This is so funny. This is so funny. Okay so this article is about James Fishback and it says by the way you were so 1:34:50 Rebecca present on that interview. I was what? President. I was right. I was right. And you were right. I 1:34:56 Dave was right. And ahead of the curve big shout out to Basil by the way for giving us the scoop but yeah this was from the nation weekly. The day before Tucker Carlson's Episode 109 interview with James Fishback he appeared on The Backlash a YouTube show run by white nationalists in northern Idaho. It's north Idaho by the way. On their table the hosts displayed the culture of critique an anti-Semitic tome by the white nationalist theorist Kevin McDonald when asked if he would attend a Hanukkah celebrations Florida governor estate with one of the largest Jewish populations in the country. Fishback responded that quote I would never attend any other religious celebration or service other than that of my unapologetic Christian faith. Very based replied co-host Dave Riley who helped organize the 2017 United Right rally in Charlottesville Virginia before working as an operative at the far right edge of Idaho politics. I think it's important to preserve the identity of heritage Americans Fishback told the hosts. I think it's important to not let us be replaced. Heritage Americans is another recent white nationalist coinage. Oh come on. A didactic if completely incoherent effort to elevate white American immigrants above their non-European counterparts. Later in the show Riley's co-host Rebecca Hargraves who's online moniker as Blonde in the Belly of the Beast was unwrapping Christmas gifts from fans quote this looks a little third rikey she exclaimed briefly showing a Nazi flag to the camera. Thank you Mojack we really appreciate it. Yeah thank you for the the present thank you for the gift and yeah by the way let me see if I can pull it up but it appears as though we have launched a tiny tactical nuke into Florida politics here's even Richard Spencer retweeting us there was only one podcast that asked James Fishback about his relationship with Christina Pasha before this whole thing blew up now for those of you unaware Ron DeSantisade Christina Pasha attacked James Fishback after he reportedly refused to drop out and endorse Jay Collins for Florida governor it's kind of crazy but we called that 1:37:23 Rebecca basically their relationship was so much more involved than he James Fishback and Christina 1:37:28 Dave Pasha were working together Christina of course working for the Rhino DeSantis campaign that went to Israel to sign legislation that would restrict Americans First Amendment right to criticize the state of Israel so I'll play the quick clip we asked him we pressed him about this here was his answer at the time let's take a listen just DeSantis there was like a whole team of people behind him including a woman I think her name is Christina Pasha what are your thoughts of Christina Pasha does she have any connections or relationship with your campaign she doesn't you know I've found Christina to be a friend I had dinner with her a couple months ago and stayed in touch with her you know what I would say is that the DeSantis administration by and large has been incredibly successful operation I think there's always going to be disagreements within staff about how something is done or why it wasn't done a certain way but I would judge the governor by what he's done for our state consistently in education especially during COVID and then on the Israel question I certainly would not have met with net you know who Jay Collins did it wasn't just what a non-answer so not only was that a non-answer but technically he did lie he lied about his relationship with Christina Pasha he said that you know that there's nothing going on there but what we've come to find out is like for example here is all of the phone calls from Christina to Mr. Fishback this is crazy x shit over 28 phone calls where she was trying to call him to get him to drop out of the race Episode 109 the drama is all over the timeline I'm sure that you'll be able to find some of that where was the I believe did the backlash tweeted out I think that the backlash might have tweeted it hold on let me let me quick go here sorry everybody technical stuff real technical stuff yeah here here's the the tweet from Florida politics severed alliance highly paid and highly placed ronda santa staffer Christina Pasha be friends advises James Fishback and then regrets it so essentially now Christina Pasha has resigned from the ronda santas team she's no longer working for ronda santas she was deeply involved with James Fishback's campaign and it does appear as though the fishback campaign was initially a controlled opposition to Byron donald's to push people back in the ronda santas camp but what happened is that he put on the af hat he put on the america first and she had to peace out and she had to go away she got a little spooked she lost control of her golem yeah and now fishback is running so we've withheld our endorsement of fishback um we're still kind of withholding that endorsement but i'm not endorsing this guy if listen if you live in florida vote for him don't donate to him don't sign up for his email list because those lists are either going to be made public because a campaign donation is de facto public information uh but if you put yourself on a list like that it could wind up in the hands of somebody like ronda santas and then you're identified as an anti-semite and would be subject to the state yes so indeed avoid putting your name out there avoid donating avoid getting on his lists but if you live in florida if you got friends in florida f*** Byron donald's and ronda santas and his stupid lieutenant governor vote for james fishback that's what i have to say that's what i have to say about that we are going to try to get kasey push on the show at some point he is running for ohio governor total endorsement of him unfiltered unminigated endorsement of kasey push he's great the car guy um and then yeah 1:41:36 Rebecca oh and then i because um some of my co-hosts have been pressing me to go on other people's shows i have an upcoming interview with academic agent very good and with adam green so those will be in the next week i'll have both of them very good and then you guys are going to shut up about it 1:41:53 Dave yeah for a month and then i'll do some gotta do some promo we'll be back wednesday with a big show we'll be of course talking about what's been going on in minnesota martin luther king we're not going 1:42:04 Rebecca to talk for until sorry guys yep it'll come up we'll see you then bye yeah