Episode 157 — Polling America’s Collapse in Real Time W/ Mark Mitchell: America’s Honest Pollster

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[0:03:11] And so without any further ado, we are going to introduce our wonderful guest, Mr. Mark Mitchell. [0:03:20] He's been involved in polling and getting people's opinions for the last, I think, 15 years you've been involved with this over at Rasmussen Polls. [0:03:30] And I think you were a little too honest for them, man. [0:03:34] They gave you the boot, and now you are off. [0:03:37] You've started your own polling company, The Honest Poll Co. [0:03:39] Of course, you can follow him on X at Honest Polster, his new polling company, the Honest [0:03:47] polling company at Honest Polco and his website, thehonestpolco.com. [0:03:53] You can sign up to be notified for when they launch. [0:03:56] They're going to be putting out a whole slew, I think a national poll coming up in a couple [0:04:01] of days, maybe. [0:04:03] So, Mark, thank you so much for joining. [0:04:06] Thanks again. [0:04:07] Great to be here. [0:04:07] We really just launched last month, and we're going to go right back to polling, public sentiment, but with a very, very specific change. [0:04:18] And that is I believe that the American people need to be represented because I think one of the problems we've seen over and over again is that when you have somebody in office and they get surrounded by lobbyists and corporate interests and foreign interests, that there's a huge incentive for people to manipulate with numbers. [0:04:35] And what they're trying to do is get their contract through to get their policy passed. [0:04:41] And almost every one of these scenarios puts the voter last. [0:04:45] And I can point to two or three times just in last year where I know my polling went to the White House. [0:04:51] And it was the only voice saying like, yo, not a good idea. [0:04:55] This isn't what the people want. [0:04:56] And of course, that kind of made me an enemy of the administration. [0:05:01] I don't know. [0:05:01] But, you know, the thing with Rasmussen was I was doing great work there. [0:05:06] I helped rebuild their audience and certainly did a great job on the 24 cycle. [0:05:10] But they fell in with a crowd that was working to raise money from a Trump aligned political action committee. [0:05:18] And I was told, well, all of a sudden, we don't want you criticizing Trump anymore because it's business. [0:05:24] And it's like, OK, well, he's literally doing something that is going to change the world. [0:05:29] He's going to attack Iran. [0:05:31] It's going to be a huge problem. [0:05:32] It's going to be a symbolic betrayal. [0:05:34] It's going to derail the MAGA agenda. [0:05:36] These are all things that I was saying. [0:05:38] And it was like, nope, sorry, you can't represent the American. [0:05:43] That's pretty bad for an independent bolster. [0:05:45] Like it was basically, you know, I couldn't do it. [0:05:50] Yeah. [0:05:50] It's my credibility. [0:05:52] So here I am. [0:05:53] And now I answer to nobody but myself and the voters. [0:05:56] That's amazing. [0:05:57] You know, and this is I think I heard you say this on a podcast with Marty Bent maybe like six months ago or something like that. [0:06:04] And it's like there really isn't anybody lobbying for us. [0:06:09] You know, the corporations got lobbyists, the foreign interests got lobbyists, but we don't have lobbyists. [0:06:14] You know, we might have a little bit of independent media here and there. [0:06:18] Uh, but you know, we need a bulldog in there barking at our elected officials, continually [0:06:25] reminding them, Hey, this is what we want. This is what we want. And, and I think that, you know, [0:06:30] the polling that you've been doing is, is, is right there. So let's dive in, uh, with this Iran [0:06:36] thing and correct me if I'm wrong, but did you get brought into the white house for consultation [0:06:42] before the Iran strikes? Before. So looking back, and again, I'm a political person and I have [0:06:50] opinions and I'm one of the few pollsters that actually doesn't try to pretend I don't. But what [0:06:54] I do is put out enough content and enough information that people can judge my observations [0:07:00] objectively and think I'm smart and follow me or think I'm dumb and ignore me. That's fine. [0:07:06] And what I was very pro-Trump, I don't endorse candidates, but I was very pro-Trump [0:07:11] because I objectively think that his platform was the correct one that the American people needed at [0:07:17] that time, the best choice to improve America because we're pretty cooked. So I mean, like, [0:07:22] we got a lot of problems right now. And then if I see something that doesn't make sense, [0:07:27] where it's like, hey, warning, warning, this could endanger that for the American people, [0:07:31] I'm going to sound off about it. And I did. And a lot of MAGA people got super mad because they [0:07:36] think that I'm basically a cheerleader for their side. And it's like, no, not if you're going to [0:07:40] be retarded. And what was the beginning of being retarded? It was Operation Midnight Hammer. It was [0:07:46] the way that Trump handled the Epstein situation. And I know when he came out and attacked his [0:07:52] followers for caring about Epstein, he had seen a poll that said people really care about it. [0:07:57] And yet he chose to do that anyways. And then the fall with the shutdown and really having no plan. [0:08:03] And then just this constant string of counter signaling his base on symbolic issues on things where people could say, well, like, I believe this you should do because you invented it, right? [0:08:17] Like you came up with this platform. [0:08:19] Like, what are you doing? [0:08:20] And so I was screaming and those screams got to the White House and they're apparently having a, you know, they're having a problem with Charlie Kirk. [0:08:31] He was assassinated. [0:08:33] he was a big voice for Trump. So they brought me in along with a bunch of other people. I wasn't [0:08:38] the only one. And I delivered a very good message. It was the right message that he needed to hear [0:08:44] at the time, which is Americans voted for economic populism and government reform, [0:08:48] and they don't see you doing it. Get it together and put out a plan to show that long term, [0:08:55] the Republicans can bring America to this place, give them a vision, a golden path, [0:09:00] not the golden age. And, uh, you know, I don't listen. No. And so this has been crazy to watch, [0:09:07] you know, with the specifically the Israel issue, right. Uh, you know, I, I woke up to this issue [0:09:15] a while ago. I think it was 2012 ish. You know, I had my radio show back in 2017. We would not shy [0:09:20] away from that. It's one of the reasons why I got canceled back then, but over the past two years, [0:09:26] support for Israel has dropped precipitously. There's a tweet that you had just put out at the [0:09:35] two days ago. Israel support is down to 34%. So they up the Hasbro budget majorly. So far, [0:09:45] the tactics I'm seeing are bullying, sniping and a whole lot of left coded historionics. [0:09:50] I don't think it's going to work out for them, but it probably will poison future right wing [0:09:54] coalition. So 34. Now tell me about this number says Israel support is down to 34%. Is that [0:10:01] basically all registered voters across the board, Republican, Democrat? Yeah, that's what that [0:10:06] is. It's likely voters. I have the poll right here. People could go see it on their Ask Muslim [0:10:10] reports site. I ran this one. So the numbers are still good. June 3rd to June 7th. So pretty recent. [0:10:17] And this particular question is looking at the history of Israel and Palestine. [0:10:21] do you sympathize more with the Israelis or the Palestinians? [0:10:25] And Israel's down to 34 among likely voters from 59 right after October 7th. [0:10:31] Wow. [0:10:31] So a huge and utter collapse. [0:10:34] And of course, in September was when the numbers really got bad. [0:10:37] And I was out there saying like, listen, I'm not anti-Israel, [0:10:40] but you guys press PR management as far. [0:10:45] And obviously what we saw is a wave of Hezbollah bots [0:10:48] that were going after people in their own movement. [0:10:50] And, you know, here we are. It's even worse. It got to the point where Israel is down to get this just 52 percent of Republicans. Wow. And Israel lost majority support among the boomers for the very first time. So it's only going to get worse. [0:11:05] 730 million can do a lot unless you're just like, you know, a circular firing squad, which is what [0:11:12] this is. Wow. So, yeah. And this has been the big development over the past couple of days is seeing [0:11:17] that even among boomers, they're starting to lose the plot with the boomers. Uh, they're starting [0:11:23] to check out as well. So basically, and, uh, there's a, uh, it'll be coming out on Monday. [0:11:29] I did a podcast with J.D. Hall. We taped it yesterday. It will air on Monday. [0:11:35] But basically, the last line of defense here is the evangelical Christians. [0:11:40] That is that is the thread that support for Israel is currently hanging on. [0:11:45] And they are even down, I think, eight points in the past couple of months. [0:11:50] Uh, support, I think went from like 62% to like 52% among evangelicals, uh, which is really starting to make people freak out. [0:12:02] Uh, and it's, it's incredible to see the strategy. [0:12:05] There was this, uh, article here from the Quincy Institute, which came out just a couple of days ago, the eighth front inside Israel's billion dollar influence campaign. [0:12:16] And basically this is showing that in response to the falling polling numbers, the falling support for the state of Israel, they have started just unleashing billions of dollars in the private sector for influence campaigns, positive media spins, Mark Levin and all of this type of stuff. [0:12:37] and not only is it not working but it's accelerating the pace at which people are [0:12:44] defecting from supporting israel it's incredible 100 100 and what's wild about it too is that so i [0:12:53] don't have religion in this particular set of crosstabs but i do have trump's strong approval [0:12:59] is it 77 israel support so by far by far it's the trump strong approvers that say you know what [0:13:07] Trump supports Israel, so I'm going to support Israel too. [0:13:10] A lot of them are probably evangelicals as well. [0:13:13] This is what is so insidious about what is going on here. [0:13:17] Because this Iran strike was literally a trap because they wanted to stabilize Iran. [0:13:22] And we didn't want that. [0:13:23] And I don't think Trump wanted that either. [0:13:26] But now we kind of like, you break it, you bought it. [0:13:29] And Trump, this will look like a debacle. [0:13:32] And it will undermine him. [0:13:34] And they will lose. [0:13:35] the biggest reason that people are from Israel right now. [0:13:38] Trump's political capital is probably going to be nil after these midterms. [0:13:42] And I think they're looking at the midterms and saying, [0:13:44] well, we've never had more political influence on the right than we've had now. [0:13:48] We've got a trifecta. [0:13:49] We've got a president. [0:13:51] We've got a lot of people that listen to him. [0:13:54] And the tactic appears to be not let's help him rebuild his Big Ten coalition [0:13:59] that brought him victory. [0:14:00] It appears to be let's maintain control and ownership of this very tight, smaller, very pro-Trump part of the new MAGA. Right. And it's tactic for losing. They will lose, but that they don't only they only care about the short term, I guess. [0:14:17] Wow. And, you know, this has been something that I've been screaming, not really, but like shouting at the top of my lungs with other Republicans trying to tell them, like, listen, you know, the DSA in New York, all of the PSL, DSA, all of the socialist revolutionary communists of America, they are eating our lunch right now on the Israel issue. [0:14:40] because they all they have to do is look at the under 40 crowd and then point out, hey, [0:14:46] this candidate has taken APAC money and the under 40 crowd is so disillusioned with the special [0:14:53] relationship that we've had that they are going to go out and vote for a radical socialist just [0:15:00] because they are sick and tired of the Israel thing. Is that what you're seeing in the polling [0:15:06] as well yeah 100 so the democrats the israel thing is really an age signal so 50 for the boomers is [0:15:16] low lower than it's ever been it was 59 not that long ago but it was like 20 among the zoomers so [0:15:24] the younger generation are like totally understand what's going on here and it's that well my world [0:15:31] sucks and somebody else is being put first. And so I don't think it's Israel hatred. I think it's [0:15:38] rebelling against a very strongly held boomer value and being absolutist about getting their [0:15:45] needs put first, which I think they should be. They're literally being starved of the American [0:15:49] dream. And so ultimately, this all comes back to an economic signal. And the Republicans are trying [0:15:56] to fight this and it's like a monkey trying a blind monkey trying to screw a football it's not [0:16:01] going well right no and they are not equipped to fight this economic battle because they're saying [0:16:06] both of those socialists are evil or socialism's bad and the young people are like well like is it [0:16:12] really that much worse than what i have now like let's just roll the dice and at least i'll get [0:16:17] something and the thing about the democrat socialists is if they vote for the democrat [0:16:21] socialists, they'll get something. They'll get, you know, Medicare for free or they'll get [0:16:28] whatever they think they're going to get. I'll get a housing bill. Maybe the housing bill will [0:16:32] steal a boomer house and give it to them. They'll get something. So I think when they look and a lot [0:16:38] of them think we have a capitalist system and that the system also doesn't serve them. So it's like [0:16:44] when you preach capitalism, these people are like, well, like, what are you talking about? [0:16:47] retarded and it doesn't work. And so you see these trends where it's like under 40 Trump voters, [0:16:54] three quarters of them support nationalizing major industries. I think it was over 60% of [0:17:00] them supported excess wealth confiscation. These are socialist things. So the under 40 Trump voter [0:17:06] is a socialist. And we're saying socialism is evil. And the under 40 voters saying, [0:17:12] well, I guess you don't want me then. [0:17:14] And so the only way out of this, [0:17:16] the only way is for Republicans [0:17:18] to sort of put their big boy pants on [0:17:20] and say, you know what? [0:17:21] Maybe capitalism isn't perfect [0:17:22] and maybe there's some things we can do. [0:17:24] And if you keep us in power [0:17:26] down the end of the road, [0:17:28] it looks like this [0:17:29] and it's something different than socialism. [0:17:32] And they can't, they don't. [0:17:34] You know, it's not hard. [0:17:35] It would be like Teddy Roosevelt [0:17:37] with a little bit of like [0:17:38] some of the better parts of FDR sprinkled in. [0:17:41] You know what I mean? [0:17:41] And it might, some of them might be socialism. [0:17:44] You might have to do socialistic things to preserve the part of America that people want to conserve. [0:17:51] Like, I don't, like, a very clear-eyed look at why we excelled in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. [0:17:57] You know, part of it was World War II. [0:18:00] Part of it was being, like, the only superpower, sure. [0:18:03] But we passed the 24 Immigration Act, right? [0:18:06] We had a super progressive tax on high-income earners. [0:18:10] we were looking out for workers and had strong unions that hadn't been yet. [0:18:15] So are these capitalist things like who cares is what you need to do. [0:18:22] Build the middle class and the Republicans are going to do that. [0:18:25] Yeah. You know, I was watching, uh, [0:18:27] I was watching a podcast the other day with Luke Groman. [0:18:29] I don't know if you follow him or have seen his stuff. Um, [0:18:33] but he's a real interesting fella and it's, it's just, [0:18:37] It's interesting because basically in order for us to get our manufacturing back, in order for us to reshore manufacturing, kickstart our economy, that is going to take some level of protectionism, tariffs. [0:18:53] And, you know, it's going to kind of look a little bit like China, to be honest. [0:18:58] the things that we need to do to get us working again we're gonna have to take these kind of [0:19:05] protective measures nationalist protective measures uh to protect our industry at home so it's [0:19:11] it's it's crazy and then of course if you say that to a boomer they short circuit and start [0:19:16] freaking out what do you mean you like china you like the chai comms and it's like you can't even [0:19:20] have a conversation with them about this no they're cooked they're cooked bro it's it like [0:19:25] they there will be a political horseshoe probably and a republican older voter is going to be caught [0:19:32] most flat-footed i think and uh i mean like they're still entrenched in like a set of values [0:19:39] that did serve them well but is not serving the younger generation and the younger generation [0:19:44] they're pragmatists and they're saying like you know these systems have failed and so you saying [0:19:51] like, no, trust me, the system is better and you're stupid. Like that's, that's the path we're [0:19:57] going down right now. And it's just absolutely, absolutely not going to work. And, uh, you know, [0:20:02] I think the young people could be considered conservative. What they want to conserve is [0:20:08] America, middle-class economic opportunity, not a set of values. They don't want to conserve [0:20:16] the financialized rent seeking corporate oligarchy we have right now. And that's what [0:20:21] the Republican Party is trying to conserve. [0:20:23] You're trying to conserve essentially [0:20:25] the bad parts of Reaganomics [0:20:26] that have been good for all these wealthy people, [0:20:29] bad for the American class, [0:20:31] and not just that, [0:20:32] like the dual party globalism [0:20:34] and all this other stuff. [0:20:35] And so here's the really bad part about it [0:20:39] is that if you look at the media gatekeepers, [0:20:43] they're very good at using the economy as a bludgeon. [0:20:47] They use the R word recession [0:20:49] and people are afraid of recession. [0:20:50] What, you know, but at the same time, we have a situation where, like, we have a declining birth rate. So the GDP line must go up, the human line is going down. And just understanding that contradiction explains why we've seen a flood from both sides of legal and illegal immigration, because both sides are captured by the corporate oligarchy, right? [0:21:15] So we're not even able to do anything that will risk a recession because we believe the political cost is too high, which means there's literally zero chance that we'll do things like break up monopolies or punish anti-competitive behavior or punish companies who are undermining high wages by offshoring. [0:21:38] Those are just non-starters. And the wild thing about the Trump administration is by focusing on immigration, he very clearly signaled to people that he understood that there was an economic component to it. [0:21:51] They do not talk like that now. They do not talk about deporting mass people because they're trying to raise wages. [0:21:58] No, they want the people picking the avocados so that we can have the avocados. [0:22:03] was the grocery prices. [0:22:06] And so that's the bait and switch. [0:22:08] The Zoomers and millennials want American dreams [0:22:10] and the older Republican establishment people are like, [0:22:14] well, we'll get your eggs a little cheaper [0:22:16] with the immigration. [0:22:18] Like, what are we doing? [0:22:19] Cooked. [0:22:20] Now, speaking of this generational divide, [0:22:23] and I apologize. [0:22:25] I think my audience understands. [0:22:27] I've got like ADD. [0:22:28] So I'll get like eight thoughts when you're talking [0:22:31] and I won't know like which way to go. [0:22:33] One of those things, for example, just as an aside, I don't think that the system that we're living under right now actually is capitalism. [0:22:43] We socialize the losses. [0:22:45] They privatize the gains. [0:22:48] It is not free market capitalism. [0:22:50] And these boomers don't care to hear it. [0:22:54] They don't think. [0:22:56] I don't know what's wrong with them. [0:22:57] But it's like you can you can show them what happened in 2008 and it's like talking to a brick wall. [0:23:04] You get nothing out of them. It's just and I think that this is really driving sentiment for younger people. [0:23:11] And so I know that a lot of your polling has been looking at the younger voters. [0:23:18] And so from your polling, what do younger voters want? [0:23:25] let's say under 40 voters, what are they looking for in a candidate? What is it that, let's say, [0:23:33] as like a local Republican Party or a state level Republican Party, like what are the issues that's [0:23:39] going to activate the youth to come out to the polls? So you have to look at the incongruous [0:23:46] things to really understand what they think, because just like the old people, they're going [0:23:50] to say the economy is the number one issue. If you ask them, what's the number one economic [0:23:56] problem, they're going to say prices, but they don't understand systematic wage like suppression. [0:24:03] But the younger people do answer questions that show that they're aware, like again, [0:24:09] with the very socialistic things that even under 40 conservatives support and the fact that a [0:24:14] majority of under 40 Trump voters say they would vote for a socialist. They do. I think it was [0:24:19] close to 70% of under 40 people. I think the economy is stacked against younger Americans and [0:24:25] somewhere around 20 disagree. So it's overwhelming. Majorities say, well, like the system's cooked. [0:24:31] But then you go back and look at all these other symbolic questions we've asked. [0:24:35] And what you'll find is that they're kind of authoritarian. They don't really care about the [0:24:41] rules. They care about, you know, values. So it's like if the boomers care about principles, [0:24:47] These people care about values. [0:24:48] And the values are like, we should be served by our government and not the other way around. [0:24:55] And corporations screw us over. [0:24:57] So when Trump said the Napoleon quote, he who saves his country violates no laws, it was the younger generation by far that agreed with that over 50%. [0:25:08] And it was the older people were like, yeah, maybe not. [0:25:11] We care about our principles. [0:25:12] We don't want to violate the Constitution. [0:25:14] And then we asked like even crazier questions. [0:25:17] Like, for instance, would you support giving control of legislation over to an advanced artificial intelligence? [0:25:24] And the under 40 conservatives by a majority said, yeah, it's time. [0:25:29] It's definitely time to hand over the keys to a robot. [0:25:32] Even the military was a plurality. [0:25:35] So, I mean, if you ask about arrests, the younger people are not, again, they're not party driven and ideological. [0:25:44] They look at Biden and they look at Trump and they say, look, a bunch of old people that don't serve our interests. [0:25:50] And I hate them both. [0:25:51] But then if you say, well, Biden pardoned all these people with a machine, could the people who did that be arrested? [0:26:00] Young people like, yep, yep, yep, yep. [0:26:02] Throw them in jail. [0:26:03] That was not good. [0:26:05] Blowing up the narco boats. [0:26:06] Younger people like, yeah, definitely. [0:26:08] Get those drugs out of here. [0:26:09] Blow those people. [0:26:10] so they're like this is why you look at them and you're like okay they're relatively complacent [0:26:15] they're underemployed and they can't afford a life and they're being priced out of everything [0:26:22] the older generation hates them neither party is serving them this is the recipe for either a [0:26:29] political or a violent uprising that's what we're going to see and i don't know what it's going to [0:26:34] be i don't know what triggers it but i i think history tells us that we're in a fourth turning [0:26:39] era, like things are falling apart. [0:26:41] And when there is no order, [0:26:43] the younger generation craves order. [0:26:45] And we will [0:26:47] revert to the mean, and [0:26:49] it will not necessarily [0:26:51] be the same [0:26:52] political order that we had before. It might not [0:26:55] be based on socialism or capitalism. [0:26:58] And what I'm [0:26:59] talking about, and what I talk about [0:27:01] a lot on shows, is that I still [0:27:03] believe, based on what people think, [0:27:06] that national populism [0:27:07] is what these [0:27:09] folks want. Now, the problem is, is that there's really kind of like a few barriers [0:27:14] to a political horseshoe of under 50 voters who get behind a national populist platform. [0:27:22] And we were so close in 2024, so close, only to have the football yanked out, [0:27:28] but by not just Israel, but by Trump, quite frankly, being captured by the oligarchy, [0:27:32] He just is. [0:27:33] And so you look at that and you say, [0:27:36] well, if the world's best outsider avatar [0:27:39] that we could come up with [0:27:40] bashed his head against the Republican establishment [0:27:44] and lost, [0:27:46] you need an outsider. [0:27:47] You need somebody who's going to... [0:27:49] And I think this is what you're going to see. [0:27:50] I think tonight, Tucker Carlson at 6, [0:27:53] we're probably past that, [0:27:55] is announcing something about what they plan to do. [0:27:58] And everybody's like, [0:28:00] oh, is it going to be a third party? [0:28:01] I don't think a third party is realistic. [0:28:03] I really don't. [0:28:04] I mean, maybe over a 50-year time span. [0:28:08] And so what it most likely is, is an independent presidential run or an attempt to go against [0:28:13] the GOP primary. [0:28:14] I think both are intelligent. [0:28:16] And it's going to make the Republicans lose. [0:28:18] It's going to make the Republicans freaking lose. [0:28:20] There's going to be both sides are intractable over this Middle East issue. [0:28:26] America First isn't going to concede grounds. [0:28:28] The Zionists aren't going to concede grounds. [0:28:31] and the only thing that might save them is that the same thing is going on on the democrat side [0:28:38] the only thing is the democrats are smart and the establishment people are like okay [0:28:43] try to keep sayed out but we failed so we're going to get behind him that's the difference right [0:28:49] that's not going to happen on the republican side like a pack's going to be like well we didn't get [0:28:54] our candidate that we wanted so we're going to fund the democrat instead that's what's going to [0:28:59] And it's incredible, too. You know, I remember, you know, before all of this kind of blew wide open, I remember talking with somebody back in like 2022 about a pack. [0:29:08] And I mentioned it to him. I'm like, look, look at this. They will support Democrats. What the what the fuck are we doing here? [0:29:14] They're giving money to Democrats, giving money to Republicans. These people are not like ideological for us at home. [0:29:21] Their ideology is just for them. You know, and of course, everybody called me an extremist. [0:29:25] And well, here we are. It turns out I was right. [0:29:29] But yeah, no, there is this here. [0:29:31] Here it is on screen. [0:29:32] MAGA was betrayed. [0:29:34] We all were. [0:29:35] It's time for a new path forward. [0:29:36] More tomorrow night at 6 p.m. [0:29:39] And so that's now. [0:29:40] I mean, wait, wait, wait. [0:29:42] But only if you're a Tucker subscriber. [0:29:43] So stay on this stream. [0:29:45] Oh, OK. [0:29:46] Hold on a second. [0:29:47] Let me break out the we break out the credit card. [0:29:50] Everybody's clicking off to go over to Tucker. [0:29:51] Don't go to Tucker. [0:29:53] We don't trust the CIA on on the backlash. [0:29:56] OK, now this is one of the things. [0:29:58] And there has been a lot of polling. I remember we did a show about this a year ago. There was polling something like 61 percent of Americans thought that they needed a new political party because both sides don't think that either the Republican or Democrat establishment is serving their interests. [0:30:13] and there is definitely an appetite for it. [0:30:19] The problem is in places like Idaho, for example, [0:30:22] where we are, we're essentially a one party state, right? [0:30:26] I mean, 65% of registered voters are registered Republicans. [0:30:31] You know, there's like, yeah, [0:30:33] I'd have to look at the numbers again. [0:30:35] I haven't looked at it since the last election, [0:30:36] but it's just like, if you want any say whatsoever [0:30:39] in politics in Idaho, [0:30:41] you've got to do it from the inside, [0:30:43] from the Republican Party. And this operation of, well, we're going to make a based third party [0:30:49] that's going to be, you know, economic populism, anti-Zionism and all of this. Well, what you're [0:30:55] going to do is you're going to suck all of the youth, the based, right? When you, I kind of view [0:31:00] it as the leaven, right? Like there's like the leaven in the bread, right? And you're going to [0:31:04] suck all of that out and quarantine it. And then you're basically going to be left with a stale [0:31:09] old piece of bread that nobody wants to vote for. The Republicans will get trounced and you might [0:31:14] get some Dems squeaking in. So I just I don't see a third party as being viable. I am more of the. [0:31:22] So you're a party guy. And so, you know, this. Yeah. It's that there is a party has a huge [0:31:27] infrastructure. There's a donor funnel. There's analytics, volunteers. There's all of these [0:31:34] things, there's layers, these committees, and you can't just build that overnight and you can't just [0:31:40] pay for it. It takes a lot of people to get behind your idea. It takes real leadership. [0:31:45] And, you know, again, the time it would take to do that is not going to make any impact, [0:31:52] certainly in the 28th. Like this is a 50 year thing and the party needs to stand for something [0:31:57] and there needs to be a case by, again, the Republican Party shouldn't have another chance [0:32:02] being co-opted. And I think the Republican [0:32:04] Party can be co-opted. [0:32:06] I just think we all just, I think America [0:32:08] was dismayed [0:32:10] that it wasn't possible under Trump, [0:32:12] the people that voted for Trump. [0:32:14] So now, what the most [0:32:16] likely outcome in the future is, and [0:32:18] thanks for bringing it up by that 61%. [0:32:20] I wouldn't have known off the top of my head. I knew it was [0:32:22] high. When we've run [0:32:24] tests, though, with like, okay, [0:32:26] well, would you vote for this new party? [0:32:28] It takes a few points from Republicans, [0:32:30] the Democrats, don't care. [0:32:32] Because Democrats vote for Democrats because they want Democrats to win. [0:32:36] Republicans vote for Republicans because they want Republicans to do things. [0:32:39] And I don't make the rules. [0:32:40] That's just the rule. [0:32:42] And so what I think is likely is maybe Tucker, maybe somebody like a Joe Kent, who I think would probably be better than Tucker, to run. [0:32:51] And if they were smart, they would reach across the aisle and get like a non-Marxist leftist. [0:32:58] It's an economic populace. [0:33:00] and they could form a pretty plausible independent platform. [0:33:04] They might want to run in the Republican primary [0:33:06] just to get in the debates. [0:33:08] And of course, the establishment will try everything [0:33:10] to keep them out. [0:33:12] And then what will happen is they'll start very high [0:33:15] like RFK did. [0:33:16] And they'll probably finish with a few points. [0:33:19] And those few points will come all from Republicans [0:33:21] and Republicans will have a generational loss. [0:33:24] And then the Democrats will probably get into power [0:33:26] and be insane again. [0:33:27] And then when the pendulum swings back, you start a new movement that systematically actually gets rid of the rhinos instead of worrying about an endorsement record. [0:33:40] Like that's. [0:33:41] Yeah. And, you know, I was going to say the the endorsement thing with Trump. [0:33:46] I mean, I worked on a campaign, a congressional campaign in 24, and it's like, you know, here's a guy, he's in a solidly MAGA district. [0:33:58] His platform was identical to Trump's on all the good things, immigration and, you know, economic populism and all of this stuff. [0:34:07] There was no reason why he shouldn't have gotten the Trump endorsement. [0:34:11] His opponent was a Democrat that had just switched to the Republican Party. [0:34:16] and after all of this work and months invested in this campaign the opponent the democrat that [0:34:24] had just switched to the republican party he got the endorsement from trump because they had the [0:34:31] money at the time they were charging 250 000 essentially and i mean it's it's pay for play [0:34:38] you know but the way that it worked was you as a candidate you want the endorsement so you've got [0:34:44] to give $250,000 to Trump's super PAC and then we'll give you the endorsement. That's how it [0:34:51] worked. And so if you saw all of these different candidates, uh, getting endorsed by Trump in 24, [0:34:56] uh, they paid for it simply, uh, that that's how that worked. Uh, it had nothing to do with [0:35:02] ideology or values or, or, or the platform or anything like that. It was, who's got the money. [0:35:07] that tracks very closely with my lived experience. [0:35:13] And I'm going to go even further and explain more about what I think is going to happen [0:35:17] that will probably maybe make some of your followers leave. [0:35:21] So I'm going to conjecture again, I'm not a DC creature, [0:35:25] but I'm going to conjecture that after the November, 2024 election, [0:35:29] there were a lot of people in DC who have a God complex and feel like the country owes them. [0:35:34] who said, wow, Trump won and he's got a mandate. [0:35:39] Hallelujah, manna from heaven. [0:35:41] And not only that, look at the Biden administration [0:35:43] who was openly corrupt [0:35:44] and was completely loose with all the pardons. [0:35:48] It's our turn. [0:35:49] And they got in and they packed all this pork [0:35:51] into the one big beautiful bill [0:35:53] and they surrounded Trump. [0:35:54] And he's just one man. [0:35:56] And quite frankly, he doesn't have, [0:35:58] he doesn't have a team of people, in my opinion, [0:36:02] that is focused on executing a strategic plan. [0:36:05] I think they took a lot of Project 2025, [0:36:07] converted it into executive orders, [0:36:11] and that was like it. [0:36:13] And they got some people in cabinet position. [0:36:16] That was the plan. [0:36:17] It wasn't like, hey, I'm going to wake up on this day [0:36:21] and say these things and further this thing [0:36:24] because of my economic populism path to the golden age. [0:36:27] I'm just going to say we're already at the golden age. [0:36:30] now he's surrounded by these people vying for his time and everybody who has Trump access wants to [0:36:37] use it I've been surrounded by people who have had Trump access and talk about it and if you [0:36:43] want a Trump job then you have to write a check about a certain amount there's a lot of people [0:36:49] who have to write a check even just to get word to Trump that they would like an endorsement [0:36:55] certainly they got to write a check [0:36:57] for fardens. That's happening. [0:36:59] And then there's all the stuff that's going on [0:37:01] in antitrust. And I [0:37:03] have a personal story. Somebody, look, [0:37:05] Trump actually tweeted [0:37:06] truth that he wanted a challenger [0:37:09] for Jeff Hurd [0:37:11] out in Colorado. [0:37:12] I did a poll for a very [0:37:15] viable challenger. The poll was excellent. [0:37:17] She was going to win because [0:37:18] he's a rhino scumbag with a terrible [0:37:20] F-minus voting record. [0:37:23] I got that poll of the White [0:37:25] house she got the nomination and then a month later he like pulled it because he needed jeff [0:37:33] heard's vote for something that i think failed anyway so it's like i think what has happened [0:37:40] and what i've heard even in as an outsider uh i heard this from somebody who knows roqana [0:37:46] is that the democrats knew there would be a lot of corruption in the trump administration [0:37:50] and that they've been working almost a year in Democrat staff or offices [0:37:55] building cases that they intend to trot out. [0:37:58] Circumstances that happened under Noam's DHS, [0:38:01] all the pardon sales stuff, the things, again, [0:38:04] with DOJ antitrust cases being undermined for pay-to-play kind of stuff, right? [0:38:11] So that they're going to basically have like real trials, [0:38:15] not show trials, like real trials, [0:38:17] if they get control of the Congress, [0:38:19] And obviously it looks like they are now. [0:38:21] So like, [0:38:22] what does that do for your Republican DC? [0:38:26] You had a Biden administration, [0:38:28] a lot of corruption, [0:38:30] objectively, [0:38:30] we can argue about whether it's more or less, [0:38:33] but then there was a lot of blanket pardons and nobody got held accountable. [0:38:37] Then we're going to see power transfer Republicans where there will be, [0:38:42] I guess we're going to see a lot of corruption. [0:38:45] And then the Democrats are going to get back in charge. [0:38:47] and what are they going to do? [0:38:50] Are they going to say, you know what, [0:38:51] like, let's just let the Republicans skate like we did [0:38:54] or are they going to ruthlessly pick apart [0:38:57] the entire Trump movement as an establishment punishment [0:39:00] for ever-daining to wrestle control [0:39:04] away from the two-party club doctor seated? [0:39:07] I think that's what we're going to see. [0:39:09] Like, and maybe I'm wrong, [0:39:11] but I think that's what we're going to see. [0:39:12] And I would submit, like, logically speaking, [0:39:15] one of the reasons I think that that's going to happen is [0:39:17] think about how little turnover there has been in the trump administration that is atypical [0:39:22] yes we had joe can't resign that doesn't really count like he you know he was doing a normal thing [0:39:28] for a normal reason he had tulsi gabbard it was essentially a health reason he got gail slater [0:39:33] that was fired and like and pan bondi right normally this far in we're losing chief staffs [0:39:40] we're losing all of the cabinet heads and one has to wonder cynically if that isn't because [0:39:46] they're hanging on for pardons. Wow. Wow. That's so cynical, but damn. I mean, I think you're on [0:39:57] point. I do think you're on point now. Let's switch the antitrust thing specifically is, [0:40:04] is really gross. And I know that that's going to drop in, I guess, September, [0:40:07] and they're going to like completely excoriate the people involved because what was happening [0:40:13] is that the antitrust lady, [0:40:14] I was giving her polling [0:40:15] and it was helping her. [0:40:17] And what the polling said [0:40:18] is that Americans hate large corporations [0:40:20] and they would love to see monopolies punished. [0:40:22] And not only that, [0:40:24] like over 70% of them thought [0:40:26] that if you punish these companies, [0:40:27] it would bring prices down, okay? [0:40:29] And now we have Live Nation [0:40:31] where everybody is like, [0:40:34] why does it cost $200 to go to a concert, right? [0:40:37] Like that affects everybody, [0:40:39] especially the young people. [0:40:41] The Swifties, [0:40:42] you want like the republicans should want a swifty vote you know what i mean like it's like [0:40:47] those people want like most of them are probably girls they want a guy that has a job right like [0:40:54] that's a conservative value i guess but like they pay 200 to go see taylor swift because there's a [0:41:02] monopoly that the person trump appointed tried to do to stop and then a republican lobbyist [0:41:10] took money from the corporations to get her fired against the interests of the American people. [0:41:16] Like, that's what I think is going to come out. So, wow. Like, what are we doing here? Yeah. I [0:41:22] mean, this is not Teddy Roosevelt. Like, let's just put it that way. No, I mean, it is so clear, [0:41:28] at least to me. And I know that my Republican friends don't like me saying it, but it's true. [0:41:33] This is the most corrupt administration in the history of this country, without a doubt, hands down. [0:41:42] And I tweeted about it literally the day before you was sworn in. [0:41:45] I would add one qualifier. [0:41:46] Okay. [0:41:47] Overtly. [0:41:48] Ah, sure, sure. [0:41:50] Absolutely. [0:41:51] I would accept that friendly amendment to my statement. [0:41:55] But it's like the day before, I'm a big crypto guy. [0:41:58] Well, not crypto, Bitcoin. [0:42:00] I'm a big Bitcoin guy. [0:42:01] I don't like all this other shit coins and all that, but it's like the day before he's sworn in, he's releasing Trump coin and Melania coin. [0:42:12] And it's like, I think he made something like $6 billion over it, while anybody who had bought one of those crypto coins, they're down 96%. [0:42:21] They would have bought in at $75 and it's worth like $1.50 today, if that. [0:42:27] So it's just like, to me, it set the tone for the entire thing. [0:42:33] Bro, I bought shares of black. [0:42:38] Like, come on, man. [0:42:39] You know what I mean? [0:42:40] Yeah. [0:42:41] But, you know, you look back at what happened with Trump. [0:42:44] And again, I supported the Trump 2024 platform. [0:42:47] I think it was the right platform for America. [0:42:49] Yes. [0:42:49] I think he executed a really great campaign. [0:42:52] and he people look at the democrat socialists and say oh they're so crazy how could people [0:42:59] vote for them when they say they wanted to defund the police once well it's like over the last 10 [0:43:05] years trump has done and said some pretty crazy stuff you have to admit that a guy that is trump [0:43:10] that got 77 million votes it's not because everybody was maga it was a vote of economic [0:43:15] necessity and i don't think the republican side ever really kind of like you know they [0:43:21] acknowledged that. So, I mean, he's, it's just so bad. We're never going to get that opportunity [0:43:28] again. Like, I mean, I don't think people are going to believe outsider. They're not going to [0:43:34] believe in populism and that it can come from the right. And, uh, but like, if you rewind to the [0:43:40] 2022 election, so the way it played out in polling is that Biden got in and the polling was real. [0:43:47] Like he did have a lead in the national popular vote. [0:43:52] He was up like plus four, plus five, depending on our poll. [0:43:56] Right. [0:43:57] And yeah, it was stolen from him as we all know in the swing states. [0:44:02] Right. [0:44:02] Sorry, Google. [0:44:03] Allegedly. [0:44:05] And when Biden got in, there was relief. [0:44:09] People weren't paying attention. [0:44:10] And then the Afghanistan crisis hit. [0:44:13] And then immediately afterwards, everybody's chanting FJB and CBS, right? [0:44:19] And so there was this immediate swing to Trump. [0:44:22] There was this massive regret. [0:44:26] Trump was, I think, plus 10 in a poll we ran in November of 2021. [0:44:30] And then the generic ballot was like Republicans plus 10 the entire time. [0:44:35] Now, it tightened because of the Dobbs decision. [0:44:39] and the Democrats circled the wagon, [0:44:42] spent a lot of active money, [0:44:45] you know, was still running against Trump [0:44:47] as a threat to democracy because of January 6th. [0:44:49] And what we got was a lower than expected turnout in 22, [0:44:56] partly because of the way the map works now, [0:44:58] partly because of the way the Democrats got energized. [0:45:01] Like, big lead up. [0:45:03] The punchline is, is that after that election, [0:45:06] Trump was on the outs. [0:45:08] he actually had a lower favorability among Republicans and Ron DeSantis did in November [0:45:13] of 2022 and his approval rating and favorability was still relatively high but he only had a 38 [0:45:18] percent very favorable among Republicans that's very low for him and then he started launching [0:45:24] NFTs and he was like I mean he was doing some really dumb stuff like during that period so how [0:45:33] did he turn it around well apparently liz harrington uh scheduled the east palestine ohio [0:45:40] trip that was like basically the first opening salvo of his 2024 campaign and the democrats [0:45:46] indicted him these were all like it wasn't him is what i'm trying to say you know what i mean [0:45:52] and it's like okay he's trump he's effective like he knew what to do with that but america was [0:46:00] was going to move on and the nfts were like really one of the things people are like man trump [0:46:06] you know trump distanced himself from that election and then did didn't he do some like [0:46:12] christmas thing where he dropped this these new nfts or something like that everybody's like oh [0:46:17] man this is like so tone deaf what are we even doing here right and then the democrats indicted [0:46:21] him like they really made him a martyr it was really stupid i mean like that and as we were [0:46:28] saying like this was not a good idea but it's what made him win within three months of that [0:46:34] he was only up 48 to 24 against the santas within uh within three months i think he was up [0:46:42] like 50 or 60 so like and now here we are right yeah wow we're gonna see a lack of trump political [0:46:51] capital soon yes yeah i i think that the day is going to come very very soon here where [0:46:57] the the trump endorsement will be the anti-endorsement it's just going to be [0:47:01] stinky and you're not going to want to get anywhere near it frankly um but the axios [0:47:06] story axios just published a story where i don't want to get this wrong but like quietly white house [0:47:14] officials say that candidates are being given permission in this midterm to distance themselves [0:47:20] from let me see if i can find it it was like four or five days old yeah and people say oh well axios [0:47:29] you can't trust the source it's like bro i even have sources in the white house i think it's not [0:47:35] hard anymore right oh you believe the new york time leaker it's like well you should now because [0:47:41] it's real right yeah i'm not finding it uh offhand yeah on axios but yeah if you can text it to me or [0:47:50] DM it to me and pull it up. Now, getting back to some of the young people stuff again. Let me see. [0:48:00] I got this in the wrong tab. So with the young people, right, we've we've talked about how they [0:48:07] are voting for socialists. Potentially, there was another one here. Christians under 40 are [0:48:17] far more likely than atheist under 40 to give control of the government and military to advanced [0:48:23] artificial intelligence. Um, it's very clear that the, that the youth have become much more [0:48:30] authoritarian, much more right wing. They want justice. They want people to be put in jail. [0:48:36] And, you know, this is something that I I've gotten in trouble with, uh, with, you know, [0:48:40] some of the local Zionist Republicans and they'll accuse me of being anti-American and that I hate [0:48:46] the Constitution. And I, to be frank, I am on record saying I don't give a shit about the [0:48:51] Constitution. But in the context of this, which is that, you know, John Adams said our Constitution [0:48:58] was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any [0:49:04] other. And so I just want to like kind of correct the record here. When I say I don't give a shit [0:49:08] about the Constitution, I'm saying like we've got real problems. We can't have kids. We can't buy [0:49:15] houses. We don't have careers open to the youth anymore. I want this problem fixed and I don't [0:49:22] care how it gets fixed. So to the extent that the constitution is standing in the way of fixing a [0:49:29] problem, I don't give a shit about it. I want the problem solved because when you look around at the [0:49:34] world that we live in now, are we looking at a world, an America full of moral and religious [0:49:41] people? Or are we looking at an America filled with only fans and black people twerking on the [0:49:50] streets as they do donuts and their teen takeover? You know what I'm saying? Like [0:49:54] nine mils of each other. Yeah. A hundred percent. And so with that, the other kind of shoehorn on [0:50:00] this is, this is a story that just came out this week from Politico magazine. GOP staffers say [0:50:07] that the party has a Groyper problem going on to allege that something like 40 percent of all of [0:50:15] the congressional staffers and the people working at Heritage Foundation and Leadership Institute [0:50:21] and all these other that they're all Groypers now. My answer to that is the problem is that [0:50:27] it's only 40 percent Groypers, that it's not 100 percent. That's the problem. That number's too low. [0:50:32] but based on what you've been seeing with the polling and I guess specifically, [0:50:37] have you done any polling on Nick Fuentes? [0:50:41] I know somebody who has, I'm not sure how good the numbers are, [0:50:45] but I think they're kind of irrelevant because the logic trap is like very [0:50:52] sharp here. It's, it's, it's one of my favorite and it's like, okay, well, [0:50:57] if you, so Nick one is obviously he's a shock jock, right? [0:51:00] But he also has great ideas and is very talented. [0:51:04] And what his shtick is, is to upset the older generations by attacking their sacred cows. [0:51:11] And he's very effective at that. [0:51:12] And it's gotten him a huge audience. [0:51:14] If you look at his audience, you can say it's probably to the tune of two or three million people. [0:51:21] Right? [0:51:22] And it's like, okay, well, if you're going to call him a Nazi and all of his viewers a Nazi, [0:51:28] then you can justify maybe writing off 2 million young people. [0:51:33] Our party just doesn't have a place for them and we can other them and exclude [0:51:38] them from the herd. [0:51:39] But the problem is, [0:51:41] is that that's not the way people consume media. [0:51:44] Not everybody who watches Nick Puentes calls himself a griper and breathlessly [0:51:50] tunes into every show. [0:51:53] You've got a bunch of people who just see his content on Tik TOK and they're [0:51:56] like, Oh, that made sense. [0:51:57] Oh, okay. Or, oh, I'll just watch Nick Fuentes this one week. [0:52:01] Man, what a great stream he had. [0:52:03] And so the reality is that there's probably like legit 20 to 30 million young people [0:52:09] who don't call themselves conservative, don't call themselves roipers, [0:52:14] but like don't see what all the fuss is. [0:52:16] And so if you're like a Hezbollah bot, [0:52:20] and your goal is to ostracize Nick Fuentes followers, [0:52:23] who are literally attacking the future of the conservative movement. [0:52:28] And so it's not a problem you can solve. [0:52:31] You cannot fix this. [0:52:32] You can't make him any less popular. [0:52:34] Maybe you could like release oppo on him or something [0:52:37] or shoot like whatever. [0:52:39] You could Charlie Kirk. [0:52:40] I don't know. [0:52:41] I'm just saying like what they're doing is the absolute worst thing, [0:52:44] which is trying to take 20 or 30 million young people [0:52:48] who many of them are political people in Capitol Hill [0:52:51] and saying you don't have a voice in this movement [0:52:54] because of reasons. [0:52:56] Like it's the most... [0:52:57] And so what we're seeing in many ways by many people [0:53:00] on the right is, again, [0:53:03] this idea of purifying the movement through subtraction. [0:53:06] Taking everybody like Alex Jones [0:53:08] and Trump is now attacking Alex Jones, [0:53:10] who was one of his biggest supporters. [0:53:11] And all Alex Jones is really trying to do [0:53:14] is help this guy succeed. [0:53:16] Now you got Trump saying that Tucker has Jude Rangeman syndrome. [0:53:21] It's like, it's not a path to win. [0:53:26] It's a path to maintain tenuous control for the next few months, [0:53:31] which is why I keep coming back to thinking through, like, [0:53:34] what's going on in the Middle East and the trap that Trump is in [0:53:39] and the complete dissonance between the Israeli military objectives [0:53:44] and our own political objectives. [0:53:46] It's a very big gulf. [0:53:47] Yeah. [0:53:48] And if they want to maintain that power, they need to have a huge public opinion swing. [0:53:56] I mean, now in November, because right now, it looks like they're going to lose. [0:54:00] Like knowing that the Dems are going to out election year, knowing that the Dems are going to spend more money. [0:54:06] Literally, the best potential thing for Republicans is APAC funding establishment Democrats so that Republicans have a better chance of beating them. [0:54:17] It's literally, I mean, that's what we're talking about here. [0:54:21] Yeah. [0:54:21] Because again, I'm not ready to call it a blue wave yet, but good pollsters, and I'm [0:54:25] going to do my first generic ballot this week. [0:54:28] Good pollsters have Democrats between eight and nine or eight and 10. [0:54:34] And that's like worse than 2006. [0:54:36] And it's like, okay, there has been redistricting, but all of that is based on the 24 map with [0:54:41] Trump. [0:54:42] And we don't know what they're going to drop. [0:54:44] We don't know if they're going to be effective at advertising. [0:54:47] They could be very effective at using Trump's own words against him. [0:54:51] There could be. [0:54:51] So it could go really bad. [0:54:55] Trump, to be saved in this election, would either need to literally have the mother of all economic miracles now in November. [0:55:04] I don't think that is going to work because people would need to feel it. [0:55:08] He would need to have the biggest 40 chess military victory. [0:55:13] I think it's safe to say that we're not going to see that. [0:55:17] Or there would need to be an Iranian attack and the Iranians don't need to attack us to defeat Trump politically. [0:55:25] And so, you know, what else do you have? [0:55:29] Like a carrier getting put on the bottom of the Persian Gulf? [0:55:32] Like there's just not a lot of things that could really swing things back to the Republicans. [0:55:36] And so like if you look at the tactics and you're like, they're so short term. [0:55:42] Yeah. [0:55:42] A lot of risk. [0:55:43] There's a lot of like black swan risk is probably big right now. [0:55:49] Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. And you know, everybody's also been saying and waiting, you know, when's the false flag? [0:55:55] When's the false flag on a drop? You know, uh, now I do want to be respectful. [0:55:59] I was trying to say, I do want to be respectful of your time. We're coming up on about an hour, but I think I've got 30 more minutes of, of questions for you. [0:56:07] Um, so I don't know, I don't know what your time, if your time constraint or anything, [0:56:10] but yeah, you know, you reminded me of this tweet, uh, that you put up, you know, if you [0:56:14] call people Israel haters enough, uh, most of them are just going to own it. [0:56:19] Uh, did we learn nothing from Nazi and racist? [0:56:22] And, you know, this is, this has been something that I've been again, shouting from the rooftops. [0:56:27] I think people are starting to get it, but you know, I've been very involved with the [0:56:30] Republican party here in Idaho. [0:56:32] And for the past five years, without fail, some young kid under 40, 35, 30 years old, whatever, you know, he's deciding, I want to step up. [0:56:47] You know, shit's bad for me. I can't get a job. I'm going to get involved in politics to try to actually make a change. [0:56:53] They'll present themselves to the local central committee where they will immediately be attacked as a griper just because they're under 35. [0:57:02] And it's like this is something that I wish they could get through their heads. [0:57:07] But also it's it's very helpful that they're not getting it through their heads. [0:57:10] But it's like you've got, let's say, two two different people. [0:57:14] And I'm not sure if you're aware of them, but you've got Thomas Rousseau and Patriot Front on the one side. [0:57:20] and you've got Nick Fuentes and the Groypers on the other side. [0:57:23] If you were to boil down their core issues, their core beliefs, [0:57:27] what it is that they actually want to see changed in America, [0:57:31] it is basically identical. [0:57:33] It's the same thing. [0:57:34] It's the same sentiment. [0:57:35] It's the same motivations. [0:57:36] It's the same issues. [0:57:38] It's immigration. [0:57:39] It's foreign entanglements. [0:57:40] It's the economy and all this. [0:57:42] And it's like, so I love it because these Republicans are so dumb [0:57:48] and so obsessed with Groypers and Nick Fuentes. [0:57:51] It's like now they're bringing kids in [0:57:54] and they're asking them, [0:57:55] are you a Groyper? [0:57:56] Do you watch Nick Fuentes? [0:57:58] And they can say, [0:57:59] no, I don't watch Nick Fuentes [0:58:00] and I'm not a Groyper. [0:58:02] I'm with fucking Patriot Front, actually. [0:58:04] And they'll have no earthly idea. [0:58:07] And these people are coming in [0:58:09] and it's just like, let's go. [0:58:12] You know, like you've made your bed, [0:58:14] now lie in it. [0:58:15] You decided to try to select out [0:58:17] one group of the youth. And now, you know, now that they're, they're figuring out, okay, well, [0:58:22] we do need some youth coming in. And it's like, well, guess what? You're getting another, [0:58:28] another brand. It's the same flavor. I don't know how to put it, but, um, it's not working. [0:58:33] The movement is certainly changing for sure. And I was just talking about that today because right [0:58:39] now current MAGA is like, well, you can't vote for a socialist. Socialists are scary and they're [0:58:44] going to destroy america and it's like i get the sentiment but let's not forget the fact that like [0:58:48] 12 percent of bernie supporters voted for trump in 2016 socialists were some of the first people [0:58:55] on board the bandwagon because they understood the value of economic populism and then not only that [0:59:00] you have like laura loomer who is basically going to be trump's new dhs dhs head if she gets her own [0:59:07] way, right? And she's trying to convince [0:59:09] us that we need a [0:59:11] nationwide uprising [0:59:13] against all Muslims, [0:59:15] citizen or non-citizen alike. [0:59:18] And it's like 2016 [0:59:19] MAGA would have seen a Muslim [0:59:21] in a MAGA hat and said, whoa, that's cool. [0:59:23] That guy's based. And so [0:59:25] it's a totally different movement [0:59:27] again that is not focused [0:59:29] at all on long-term winning. [0:59:31] It's unfortunately focused on [0:59:33] maintaining an [0:59:34] oligarchic status quo. [0:59:37] And I'll add one layer, but focus on maintaining a Zionist control of the military industrial complex, unfortunately. [0:59:46] And I know that might sound like controversial to say, but Trump has said from podiums on official speeches, [0:59:54] Miriam Adelson, who supports Abad, like calls him every day and asks for stuff for Israel. [0:59:59] And she's his biggest backer. [1:00:01] Like, that's what we're dealing with. [1:00:02] You can't just ignore that in a vacuum. [1:00:04] But then the third layer, which I think is part of what is going on with your situation, is that everywhere in every layer of the party, you have a fight between new people who are principled and trying to change things and establishment people who are literally just there to ride the gravy train. [1:00:24] And it all comes down to allocating donor bucks. [1:00:28] And if somebody comes in and they're going to have principles and they're going to put America first, [1:00:34] well, that means that maybe your cousin's brother's out-of-work guy who's going to do the direct mailing vendor for the next state legislature campaign [1:00:44] doesn't get that allocated extra set of zip codes that isn't going to do anything, but it's going to pat everybody's pockets. [1:00:52] Like maybe he doesn't get that. [1:00:54] I see that over and over again. [1:00:55] I see things like, well, I was running against this guy and I was forced to use Evan McCarthy's [1:01:01] vendor people and they wasted all my money and all of his door knockers were knocking [1:01:06] for the other guy anyways. [1:01:07] Like just things like that. [1:01:09] And so that's what I think the party is there to maintain the donor buck status quo. [1:01:14] And like we know this, Las Avidas allocating $100 million to the Cornyn campaign. [1:01:20] Hmm. And, and his involvement, I was going to say, and his involvement in the Thomas Massey [1:01:26] stuff, Lasavita was the head of the, was it a MAGA for Kentucky PAC or whatever that was running [1:01:32] all of those disgusting, uh, AI thruple. Oops. Sorry about that. Why did I, what happened there? [1:01:40] I accidentally pressed the button. Um, but now, uh, just another quick question, [1:01:45] or I'm going to have several quick questions. Let's be honest. Sure. Uh, you've mentioned [1:01:49] this twice and i think my audience is sophisticated enough they already know what this is [1:01:54] but the term that you used is hasborough uh can you explain what hasborough is because i think [1:02:03] that there are a lot of people uh particularly boomers that have no earthly idea what this is [1:02:10] and so if you could please kind of give a thumbnail sketch so apparently hasborough [1:02:17] I don't know if I'm pronouncing it correctly, is a Hebrew word that means... [1:02:21] It might be Hasbara or something. [1:02:24] Yeah. Hasbara. I don't know how to say it. [1:02:27] But it's a Hebrew word that literally means explaining. [1:02:31] And it's not a conspiracy theory. [1:02:34] It's literally a budgeted line item in the Israeli state annual expenditures. [1:02:40] And it's a program that is widely considered by Israeli media as being foreign influence money. [1:02:47] Now, I'm sure there are more programs than just one. [1:02:51] And of course, nobody on the right has actually traced these networks. [1:02:55] But what they do is they get people like Brad Parscale, [1:02:58] and they register him as a foreign agent, [1:03:00] and they give him $6 million and say, [1:03:02] Hey, go help us out, dude. [1:03:05] And what is he going to do? [1:03:06] He's going to go work at Salem Media and acquire new media people. [1:03:11] Or he's going to find influencers and give them pay-for-tweet arrangements. [1:03:16] where they put out sort of scripted things that try to make Israel's public relations better. [1:03:23] Now, it's questionable about whether Hezbollah is making Israel's PR worse, [1:03:30] but it's certainly making Twitter worse because, and again, you never know because, you know, [1:03:36] it'll get funneled through PACs and it'll go through, and, you know, like AIPAC, it's like, [1:03:40] well, this isn't foreign influence money, it's influence money for foreigners. [1:03:45] And there's a very distinct difference, right? [1:03:48] Yeah. [1:03:48] And, you know, but like, I see patterns in my own Twitter follower behavior. [1:03:55] And there's people who will like show up every day and just tweet something that, you know, is an ad hominem attacking me. [1:04:04] It's not engaging in what I said. [1:04:06] It's just some throwaway lazy thing. [1:04:09] And there's more of them now. [1:04:10] Well, it's because Hezbollah was increased from, I think, $125 million in the last calendar year to $730 million this year. [1:04:19] And to put that in perspective, that's probably more than the Republicans will spend trying to maintain control of Congress. [1:04:28] Israel is spending to maintain control of Republicans, basically, is what it comes down to. [1:04:34] And this is a country 20 times smaller than us. [1:04:36] So like, it's not cool. [1:04:39] And it's probably a lot of it's our own money being used back at us. [1:04:43] And the tactics, again, like I said, look like their goal is to maintain purity in the conservative movement and not keep the conservative movement winning. [1:04:51] Right. [1:04:52] Yeah. [1:04:52] It's just incredible. [1:04:53] I don't know what retard had the bright idea of like, hey, let's, let's, let's whittle the coalition that put us in power down. [1:05:01] Let's start just chopping pieces off. [1:05:03] You know, it's just, that's not how you win. [1:05:05] You got to be bringing new people in. You got to be energizing people, giving them a positive vision. [1:05:10] And all these people do is just shout, hater, Nazi, you, blah, blah, blah. [1:05:14] And it's just like, we're sick of this. [1:05:16] It's a demoralization campaign is what it is. [1:05:19] And the goal is to demoralize people who want to put Americans ahead of Zionism. [1:05:24] Amen. Yeah. And it's, I mentioned this before. [1:05:26] It's like, hey, I don't know if anybody in Israel is listening, but like, you know, sure, I'm an anti-Semite or whatever they want to call me. [1:05:33] But like, I will do a better job if you if you put an anti-Semite in charge of Israel's PR, it would probably get better. [1:05:41] Actually, it's it's everything that they have been doing has been having the exact opposite of their intended reaction. [1:05:50] Like, I don't want to get us kicked off of YouTube and I'm very careful. [1:05:54] I'm not an anti-Semite at all. [1:05:56] I acknowledge that most Jews are secular and don't have a dog in this hunt. [1:06:02] Now, I don't think it's a good idea to put people who have a religious eschatology reason in charge of the U.S. military policy. [1:06:11] I think that's probably a bad idea. [1:06:16] Like, what are we doing here? [1:06:20] They're literally destroying the one chance the Republican Party had at maintaining the best ruling coalition it was ever going to have. [1:06:29] and we destroyed the American empire, essentially. [1:06:34] We have not really come to terms [1:06:37] with how colossal a debacle this has been. [1:06:41] People are not going to want U.S. bases. [1:06:43] They're going to laugh at us [1:06:44] when we talk about our quiver of advanced missiles. [1:06:49] They're going to say, [1:06:50] well, we know that they can just be overwhelmed [1:06:51] by these cheap-ass drones. [1:06:53] It's like so bad. [1:06:55] We don't even... [1:06:57] Our entire Marine Corps amphibious military doctrine is probably dead on arrival. [1:07:03] Just gone. [1:07:05] Because we, like, the goal was, people were talking about, we should invade Torg Island. [1:07:09] Well, like, when you say invade, that either means you spend a year building up a troop of 500,000, or you send in the Marines, okay? [1:07:17] And the Marines, it's like, okay, it'll be 10,000. [1:07:20] Well, what does that take? [1:07:21] You have to take very valuable ships within miles of the shore and run continuous operations of El Cax and Ospreys back and forth. [1:07:30] And we're talking about depositing like a few thousand troops a day. [1:07:34] So they got to sit there for days within reach of the Iranian coastline. [1:07:40] No. [1:07:40] It's mountainous and it has hidden missiles and thousands of drones everywhere. [1:07:44] And oh, by the way, the way we're going to protect them is a little bit of air cover. [1:07:49] that's susceptible to these things as well [1:07:52] and a couple of Gatling guns on these ships [1:07:55] that can only track one target at a time. [1:07:57] Like, it's just not, like, you're going to see, [1:08:00] and they wanted that so bad. [1:08:02] They were considering it, [1:08:04] and they wanted to calculate potential troop casualties [1:08:07] and to see what the breakpoint was, [1:08:10] and I did a poll, [1:08:11] and it said that 51% of America wanted 10 or fewer casualties [1:08:15] in any engagement we had with Iran. [1:08:17] Well, that rules out putting an LHA at the bottom of the Persian Gulf. [1:08:22] Like, that's not like that would be. [1:08:24] And so, so again, we're in this situation, like you said, where the, the desire and risk [1:08:30] waiting, like what's the risk balance for a false flag is very high right now or for [1:08:38] like a Gulf of Tonkin kind of incident. [1:08:40] Yeah. [1:08:41] Yeah. [1:08:42] And I do, I just, you know, for the, again, you know, with these people that take my stuff [1:08:46] out of context all day long. We'll be talking about this on Monday with JD Hall, but I do want [1:08:50] to point out, I brought a Jew to mass on Sunday. Okay. We brought brother Nathaniel to church. [1:08:57] So it's, it's okay. I'm not actually an anti-Semite. I just, I don't know if I were to sit [1:09:02] back and try to correct the record for every, every time that somebody calls me one of these [1:09:07] stupid names, that's all that I'd have time to do. So I just moved. I don't, I don't give a shit, [1:09:12] but I kind of like it's so easy to piss people off with it that it's just like fun not to [1:09:19] I mean it's not fun not to like one of the things I was thinking about is I don't really understand [1:09:25] much about genealogy and I know that Israel has a very specific way of tracking genealogy I [1:09:31] acknowledge that but strictly speaking if you so I have two two two parents I have four grandparents [1:09:39] the eight grandparents it's square law right yeah well uh like jacob was 140 generations ago or [1:09:49] right so we're talking about two to the 140th potential descendants of israel right well [1:09:57] what genealogists say is that well yeah actually most humans on earth do share a common ancestor [1:10:04] and it's only two to three thousand years back depending on how you model it so we could all be [1:10:10] israel well i mean if you look at what the catholic church believes right we believe that [1:10:16] that because they you know ted cruz had his segment uh that he did with tucker uh where [1:10:23] they were saying it was it oh genesis 3 12 whoever blesses you will be blessed and whoever curses you [1:10:27] will be cursed. And it's like, you know, that has its fulfillment in, I think it's Galatians 6, [1:10:34] they kind of mention, oh yeah, by the way, we were talking about Jesus Christ. He is Abraham's seed [1:10:40] to which all of those promises go. And so, you know, the Church has consistently, at least the [1:10:48] Catholic Church, has consistently taught that we are the new, the Christians are the new people of [1:10:53] God, that the church itself is Israel, the ark of salvation. [1:10:57] It's a new covenant, bro. [1:10:58] Hey, get with the program. [1:11:00] So now speaking of religion, you know, you kind of alluded to this a little bit in the [1:11:07] segment, and I want to let you unleash here. [1:11:11] We do live in a very disorderly world, in a disorderly America, and the youth know it. [1:11:18] They've grown up in it and they are desperately seeking and clawing at anything that can help give them a semblance of order back into their life. [1:11:28] And we've seen record conversions over the past several years to Catholicism. [1:11:35] There's a boom happening also in like non-Zionist Protestantism as well. [1:11:41] Young people go into people like Joel Webin and J.D. Hall and all of these types of people. [1:11:47] what does the polling that you've done tell you about religion and religious sensibilities in [1:11:57] america and and how that's affecting the under 40 crowd you know you brought up one thing too [1:12:03] and i don't even think we talked about the one thing i wanted to talk about which is it like [1:12:08] i'm a christian but i'm also like a rationalist right and so when you talked about our constitution [1:12:16] again it polls really well people like the constitution but then people also like will say [1:12:22] well like if you say here's something unconstitutional you want it without telling [1:12:28] them it's unconstitutional they'll say yeah okay like we should throw that judge in jail [1:12:32] because we shouldn't be like protecting murderers that come here from venezuela or whatever right [1:12:38] um so and also i think you the sentiment you'll hear a lot is that the young people don't think [1:12:43] the Constitution is worth anything. So we're sort of stuck in this dichotomy where one side [1:12:48] just like wipes their butt with it and the other side treats it like it's some holy document that [1:12:53] means everything. And what it really is, is like a contract between all the people of the country [1:12:58] that quite literally is being violated because these people aren't representing us. And so it's [1:13:04] like, let's acknowledge the elephant in the room. But how does Christianity layer into that? And [1:13:09] there are people talking about this in a very nuanced way i think will sexton what like i don't [1:13:15] know what you think about him but it's like well we can be a multicultural nation because we are one [1:13:20] we became one and it's not something we can really reverse now we can certainly get rid of illegal [1:13:25] aliens and we should but are we really going to be like forced deporting people because they're [1:13:30] not a certain ethnic or religious makeup like that's probably a bad idea but at the same time [1:13:36] we can objectively acknowledge that our founders founded this country on [1:13:40] Christian values and that our constitution is the work product of the rich [1:13:47] Western heritage that gave us the Magna Carta that came out of Christianity. [1:13:52] Like that's where all this stuff comes from. Right. [1:13:55] And that the reason I think it's important is because I deal with people in [1:14:00] DC. What I would, [1:14:04] for people who are listening to me that say, [1:14:06] no, [1:14:06] there should be a separation of church and state. [1:14:08] And I do agree. [1:14:09] There should be a separation of church and state. [1:14:11] Otherwise you wind up bombing countries for eschatology. [1:14:14] Right. [1:14:15] Right. [1:14:17] Propose an alternative value structure with which you'll be comfortable that [1:14:22] your elected representative goes to DC and doesn't take bribe. [1:14:29] And I don't think there's a better one than Christianity. [1:14:31] I really don't. [1:14:32] Yeah. [1:14:32] so as for christianity we're still a christian id country although the number is dropping [1:14:38] we added a number from i think two or three years ago we asked america if you believe that [1:14:44] jesus christ is the son of god who came to earth to save our sins and it was 72 who said yes to [1:14:50] that so that's still a pretty high number right um but where it gets kind of interesting is that [1:14:56] whether religious ID equates to worldview. [1:15:01] And if you were to measure worldview by, [1:15:05] like say your moral certainty about the answer [1:15:08] to a particular litmus test question, [1:15:11] the strongest worldview in this country is atheists. [1:15:16] So take abortion, for instance, [1:15:19] and you ask people by religious ID, [1:15:22] do you support or oppose late-term abortion or whatever? [1:15:25] you're going to see the highest number of people aligned among atheists and it's like a plus 70 [1:15:34] position there it's just like they know they let they know they love baby killing that's just part [1:15:39] of their religion and then the next highest is evangelicals but we're only talking about plus 30 [1:15:45] then when you get to like catholics it's like a plus 10 with mainline protestants you might as [1:15:54] well not even be going to church. Like it's basically even. And then what you see is these [1:16:01] weird trends whereby religious ID, mainline Protestantism is higher among the boomers. [1:16:07] It's almost 60%. And it's less than 25% among Gen Z. And so this Christianity that doesn't have a [1:16:16] worldview is functionally dying by age. [1:16:21] It's only a matter of a few generations. [1:16:23] I think until we start to see major like mainline denominations completely [1:16:27] splintering, like I just went through the whole Methodist disaffiliation process. [1:16:32] So like it's going on, right? [1:16:33] And what you see among the younger people is an increase in evangelicalism, [1:16:39] but specifically, and most importantly, an increase among the Catholic church. [1:16:44] And I think this fits back into what we've been talking about, about their idea of order and values. [1:16:53] And like, there are very communal people. [1:16:56] I don't like if you know Zoomers and millennials, they'd love to play. [1:17:00] Like there's more independent video games than there's ever been on Earth ever. [1:17:05] And all they do is they play Fortnite and Roblox. [1:17:08] You know, like they're setting like Roblox concurrent online records because they just all want to be communal. [1:17:15] And they just want an America that works for them. [1:17:17] And so I think part of this is that in the fourth turning, the principles of the previous generation fail. [1:17:25] There's a lack of order. [1:17:26] And the new generation wants to return to order and build its own new value set. [1:17:32] And they're going to do that. [1:17:34] And I think the fact that they're looking at the Catholic church probably is like, well, it's weathered 2,000 years. [1:17:41] You know, it's less susceptible than our dispensationalist evangelical church being poisoned against authenticity and my own personal interests. [1:17:52] I think that's really... [1:17:54] And so, with these people, there's one other one that really blew my mind. [1:17:59] So, take another worldview litmus test question. [1:18:02] premarital sex and among the older generation who again have a higher christian id they thought it [1:18:11] was less important that people not do that younger people who are less christian thought it was more [1:18:17] important that people not do that and it wasn't like a huge difference we're talking like 45 [1:18:22] like 32 or something like that right yeah but what was very important was that young men [1:18:28] men under 40, it was almost 60% said it was important. So you have these people who have been [1:18:34] forced out of the economic situation. They're like you said, they're being forced out of political [1:18:40] positions. They look around, they think the system has failed them and they want a world that works [1:18:48] and they have Christian worldviews. They might not be going to church, but the church is [1:18:54] dysfunctionally ignoring them. I think the church, your mainline church is preaching [1:18:57] every week, the same salvation message, the 70 year old woman who watches MSNBC. [1:19:03] And if you say anything even remotely, you know, judgmental, she'll get up and leave. [1:19:10] Right. So I think the church has an opportunity to step in and fill that vacuum and say like, [1:19:16] Hey, we have a role in society. And there are people that we're not talking to that we could [1:19:20] talk to that will be the leaders that help restore the value of Christianity. It needs to stand for [1:19:27] something. And it's like the salvation message is great. I love that. That is the core of [1:19:33] Christianity. But if it's not reflected in people's worldview opinions, like what's the point? [1:19:39] Is it just a club? Like what's the point? Right. Right. And it's, you know, it is interesting, [1:19:44] you know, being, I'm a, one of those rad trad, you know, traditional, we do everything in Latin [1:19:50] You might have seen in the news recently, they just tried to excommunicate all of us, right? [1:19:56] Our bishops, consecrated new bishops in France. [1:20:00] And Tuco Fernandez, the cardinal at the dicastery for the doctrine of the faith, excommunicated the bishops and tried to excommunicate all of us. [1:20:10] But, you know, they don't know how legal systems work. [1:20:14] They're modernists, you know, they're kind of loosey-goosey with the rules. [1:20:17] So they actually fucked up the form of of the excommunication and they put it in an explanatory note, which doesn't actually have any force of law behind it. [1:20:28] So they screwed up. But what is interesting is, you know, even among my circles, there's a dirty, dirty word that is starting to circulate more and more. [1:20:39] And I'm getting questions about this after mass at a rapidly increasing rate. [1:20:45] And that is, there is a kind of a third way, economic, political, and it's called distributism. [1:20:53] This was a economic and political theory derived from the church's social teaching from the late 1800s into the early 1900s, which was basically Hilaire Belloc, G.K. Chesterton, and there was a priest involved. [1:21:08] But, you know, very involved with the Catholic worker movement. [1:21:12] It was instrumental at this period of time of the industrial revolution. [1:21:16] And of course, we're going through a technocratic technological revolution now. [1:21:22] And so people are rethinking what is labor? [1:21:27] If an AI can you can give it a command and it can go do something in 10 minutes, what used to take you 10 hours? [1:21:33] Well, we've got to reevaluate what is labor? [1:21:37] What is its value? [1:21:40] What am I fulfilled for? [1:21:41] You know, we had this change that took place in the Industrial Revolution where, you know, prior to it was, you know, you would work, you'd have like a few acres, some sheep, you would raise them, you'd hear the church bells at noon. [1:21:56] And that meant it was time to stop, pray, go home, eat lunch, and then you'd, you know, get back to your farm and finish up your task for the day. And that switched to the, um, the factory whistle, which instead of signaling, Hey, it's time to take a break. It's get back to work scum, you know, like you're, you're, you're not moving fast enough. [1:22:17] And so I think we're going through a very similar transition with this technological stuff that's coming in. [1:22:26] And it'll be interesting. [1:22:27] That and the teaching of the social kingship of Christ. [1:22:32] Of course, Christ is King has been a trending meme among the Gen Z youth shouting it at rallies and whatnot. [1:22:43] But there's a rich patrimony, a rich background of encyclicals and teaching and all of this stuff that people are starting to dive into. [1:22:56] And they're realizing, hey, wait a minute. [1:22:57] You know, when we elect a leader, they're not just supposed to, like, lead us to economic and material prosperity. [1:23:02] But they're also supposed to be creating a world in which it's actually easier for us to save our souls. [1:23:09] Representing us. [1:23:09] Yes. [1:23:10] 100%. [1:23:10] Yeah. [1:23:11] Now, I guess for the last question that I— [1:23:14] Well, I just want to say something about that. [1:23:15] Like, very astute. [1:23:17] And my big question in response is, [1:23:19] where are the principled Christian economic leaders [1:23:23] who are doing cutting-edge thought work here? [1:23:27] Like, we can literally, like, launch, you know, [1:23:30] a thousand satellites with one missile [1:23:32] and then land—or one rocket and then land it on a ship, right? [1:23:36] We can't figure out, like, a new capitalism [1:23:39] that actually reflects the cohesive Christian-ish American culture that we have that puts American [1:23:48] citizens first? How is this rocket science? Because Ron Paul said a really interesting [1:23:55] story once, and it really stuck with me. And he talked about being a doctor back in the 50s or [1:24:01] 60s and whenever it was. And he said, I went to the patient's house. They paid me in cash. [1:24:06] The prices were affordable. [1:24:08] I served everybody in town. [1:24:09] They all knew who I was. [1:24:10] I helped them out. [1:24:12] And yeah, they'd go to a hospital if they needed to and stuff like that. [1:24:15] It was also affordable. [1:24:16] And he said, you know what? [1:24:17] Like, we didn't have all these transfer payments and social safety nets. [1:24:22] When somebody in town couldn't afford it, we worked with them or the church helped them out. [1:24:26] And those people were cared for. [1:24:28] Yeah. [1:24:28] And it's like, how is that not capitalism? [1:24:32] Like, you know what I mean? [1:24:33] Like what, what do we have now that is capitalism and why does it need to be a private equity [1:24:38] back over leveraged massive healthcare system with an administrative burden that we can't [1:24:44] afford? [1:24:44] It's going to bankrupt us. [1:24:46] That's not capitalism. [1:24:47] That's like corporate is rent speaking. [1:24:49] Yes. [1:24:49] And like in my mind, capitalism is like, Hey, I own plot of land and I farm it and I know [1:24:55] how to cobble shoes and I trade my shoes for money so that I can buy this guy's carrots. [1:25:01] You know what I mean? [1:25:02] Like that's. [1:25:02] Yeah. [1:25:03] Or is capitalism really like we can divide up this company into shares and we're going to put our capital together to do these companies. [1:25:12] If that's the case, that could be capitalism too. [1:25:15] I would also say it needs to be reformed and there should be cutting edge provocative thought here. [1:25:21] And I throw this out and it pisses a lot of people off because boomers love their stocks. [1:25:26] I don't think there should be public ownership of equities. [1:25:29] I think that's a very bad idea because there's regulated reporting that is short term and it drives a lot of bad decision making and it drives a lot of risk. [1:25:41] And if you look at how partnerships operated in the financial services industry before we had public companies, like Goldman Sachs, when it was a partnership, would not make the over leveraged asset backed security bets that short term thinking people that have to post profits would. [1:25:58] wouldn't see the same revolving door between government regulations and these corporations. [1:26:03] And it's like, oh, well, you're saying like poor people can't own companies. No, they should own [1:26:07] companies. Everybody should be buying private shares and companies and owning those companies [1:26:12] long term and improving the companies and helping all their stakeholders instead of like allowing [1:26:17] BlackRock to do it. Yeah. You know, this is something that the kind of crunchy granola [1:26:23] people actually got right in a way. And, you know, one of these one of the stories for this, [1:26:27] and maybe I should do an episode on this at some point, [1:26:29] is the story of Whole Foods, actually. [1:26:32] You know, I mean, this was, you know, [1:26:34] a company founded by a bunch of white guys, [1:26:36] but, you know, liberal from, I think, [1:26:37] like Seattle or Oregon or something like that. [1:26:40] But, you know, they had all of the employees. [1:26:43] It was an employee-owned company, you know? [1:26:45] So the employees were the ones that were the shareholders. [1:26:48] And, you know, and of course, [1:26:50] this all goes back to the ill-fated Dodge Brothers [1:26:54] versus Ford trial back in the, was it the 20s? [1:26:59] And that's basically where we got this goofy precedent [1:27:03] where a corporation needs to be doing everything [1:27:05] for the shareholders. [1:27:08] And that means that, well, Henry Ford can't give a raise [1:27:12] to his employees to keep them happy [1:27:14] because it means less money in the shareholders pocket. [1:27:17] That was just the dumbest decision ever. [1:27:20] And I think that a lot of the issues that we have [1:27:23] with capitalism today can be traced back to that decision, which I doubt will ever get overturned. [1:27:30] But I guess there's always a possibility. Now, I guess my last question is more of just like an [1:27:36] educational thing, right? Because, you know, we talk about polling all the time. You know, [1:27:39] it's on the news. It's, you know, on Drudge Report, you know, new poll, blah, blah, blah. [1:27:45] Can you explain how does polling actually work? Like, what is the physical mechanics of polling? [1:27:53] so it's a survey unless there's like trade secrets which we don't we don't want to i don't want you [1:28:01] to like you know spill your trade secret tournament no i mean what i have isn't really [1:28:06] trade secret it's quite commoditized actually the what is not commoditized is caring about [1:28:12] your track record and trying to represent your numbers with credibility uh which is why it's so [1:28:17] tough in the industry because again polling hasn't been monetized so if you really want to make money [1:28:22] the polling needs to come along with access and lobbying. [1:28:27] And so you see a lot of stories like kind of gross. [1:28:32] Back when Trump, [1:28:34] when they were talking about removing sugary beverages from snap, [1:28:38] that's really bad because Coke and Pepsi make a ton of money through Walmart, [1:28:43] like 25% of all snap payments go through Walmart. [1:28:45] It's really ridiculous. [1:28:47] And, you know, the American beverage association didn't like that. [1:28:52] And so with a Republican president in office, what do you do? [1:28:56] Well, you go find Republican lobbyists and Republican pollsters, and they'll cook you up a poll with super fake numbers because they ask manipulative questions. [1:29:05] And then they'll misrepresent them and they'll say, no, MAGA people think that, you know, yeah, they should be able to like buy soda with Snap. [1:29:13] And it's because they like prime the question with some libertarian value or something like that. [1:29:17] right and then what happened is well it's hard to do that in the federal government when you have [1:29:22] doge in control and like there's just not the appetite to do that so problem is is that all [1:29:29] states are going to do that and so they go to republican states and republican legislators [1:29:34] with republican voters they use republican pollsters and they say look at these you know [1:29:39] what they get these state legislations killed like pretty easily because the aba has got a lot [1:29:44] more power than your local state legislature. So that is really not doing that. Not taking the [1:29:52] $2 million paycheck is the differentiating factor here for me. Because polling is like, [1:29:59] you know, your kid can go to school and just ask the kids in this class. And that would be a poll [1:30:06] of 10 kids in, you know, grade two in local school, right? So I'm polling the national likely [1:30:12] voter, which means that I have to ask a bunch of people spread out over the country. And I can get [1:30:18] that. And I can get it a bunch of different ways. We do landline automated dialing to people who [1:30:24] still have landlines. There's a lot of them. And there's online panels that you can purchase [1:30:29] online respondents from. You can send SMS texts to people and they'll go to your online poll and [1:30:35] take poll. And then at the end of the day, it's like, okay, well, I have X amount of data, [1:30:40] but it doesn't quite match the American electorate. [1:30:43] So I'll weight them a little bit [1:30:45] so that they do match the American. [1:30:48] Now, more and more, [1:30:49] as we're seeing with the Michigan Senate primary, [1:30:54] it really matters what you pick as your weightings. [1:30:56] Because how do you know how many young people are there [1:30:59] or how many mail-in ballots? [1:31:01] Because AIPAC's going to pay 70 million [1:31:04] to cook a bunch of them up, right? [1:31:06] Right. [1:31:06] So, I mean, it is tough. [1:31:08] So you see great pollsters missing by 14 points last night. [1:31:13] And it's just because our elections are a joke now. [1:31:16] But it does work. [1:31:19] Like I was able to predict a Trump win and we had six out of the seven battlegrounds. [1:31:25] Like our average polling error in the battlegrounds was less than two points. [1:31:29] So it works. [1:31:31] And not a lot of people, literally no media pollsters period predicted a Trump win in 2024. [1:31:37] They did not. [1:31:38] Wall Street Journal will say, well, we had one poll with him up in the National Popular Vote. [1:31:42] It's like, good job, guys. [1:31:43] You threw one dart correctly. [1:31:45] Right. [1:31:46] So you can get really any data and you can calibrate the data. [1:31:53] And it's getting tougher. [1:31:55] You have to go to more places. [1:31:57] You have to spend more money. [1:31:59] But we're still able to do it. [1:32:01] I'm still able to do it really cheaply and put out numbers that are trusted by everybody. [1:32:06] And yeah, you're not going to get polled unless you take yourself off the do not call list or you sign up for the online panel. [1:32:14] So you got all these people like, oh, I've never been polled. [1:32:17] This is fake. [1:32:17] It's like, well, you know, you don't have a fault. [1:32:21] Like, you don't pick up. [1:32:23] Right. [1:32:24] So it's tough, you know, like people who are susceptible to scamming pick up the phones and blah, blah, blah. [1:32:29] But like over time, if you know what your data looks like and you calibrate it to an election that's just happened, you can adjust. [1:32:35] and it's data. [1:32:37] And, you know, that's all I'm putting out. [1:32:39] I'm not putting out election predictions. [1:32:40] I'm putting out current data. [1:32:42] Yeah. [1:32:42] And if the election were held today, [1:32:44] like Republicans are going to lose the House [1:32:46] and probably the Senate. [1:32:47] And even if they don't lose the Senate, [1:32:49] they never had the Senate to begin with. [1:32:51] And so the writing on the wall [1:32:53] is that we're rapidly approaching [1:32:55] a period of significantly diminished Trump relevance. [1:32:58] And that's wild. [1:32:59] A lot of people are not talking about that, [1:33:01] but it's the truth. [1:33:02] And what that means [1:33:04] is that this like iron grip over what defines the conservative movement is up in the air and [1:33:12] you're seeing it tonight i'm gonna go watch that tucker thing and it's gonna be wild like yeah [1:33:16] interesting what they're gonna do because everything we've talked about you and me tonight [1:33:20] is that the thought work is not there on the right we are not a serious movement do not have [1:33:28] an alternative that people believe to socialism. And that's why the socialists are winning. [1:33:35] Yeah. That's incredible. Yeah. I got to give you big props, uh, for what you're doing and for [1:33:40] taking the stand that you've taken, you know, we did a, an episode on the show. You can go back [1:33:45] and find it if you're, if you're watching and you're interested, but I have my dad actually [1:33:49] on the show. My dad was a program director, uh, for different radio stations all, all throughout [1:33:55] the Midwest, Detroit. Um, and you know, the, the episode was about payola. And because back in the [1:34:02] day, what would happen is you would get some record promoter that would come in and throw a [1:34:07] bag of Coke at the, at the DJs and hand them a stack of records and they would play the records. [1:34:12] Uh, and, but it got even worse than that. You know, they were buying off the billboard top 40, [1:34:18] you know, they were getting their records inserted in, in the billboard that they weren't actually [1:34:23] being listened to, you know, and so all these stations are then playing the top 40. And [1:34:30] so anyway, long story short, when my dad was working in Detroit, he had come up with this [1:34:37] new system. It was frankly pretty revolutionary because, you know, touch tone phones were new. [1:34:43] You could rate one through nine. And so what he would do is he would take snippets of about 10 [1:34:49] or 15 seconds of a song and get five or six of them in a row. He'd call up people in the area [1:34:56] and play them the song and say, Hey, rate this one through nine, one being the worst nine being the [1:35:02] best. That's a poll. That's a poll, buddy. It's a poll. And so my dad would then take the responses [1:35:08] from the poll and that's how he would pick what songs to play on the radio. And he took, I think [1:35:14] it was WDTX, uh, from absolute, barely even registering on the, uh, the records charts, [1:35:22] uh, to, it was the number one station in three months. And all of them, all of the mafia people [1:35:29] were like, holy shit, what is going on? They tried to set my dad up. Uh, you know, they had [1:35:34] mafia people come and take him out to dinner. Uh, it's a whole thing. It's a, I think a fascinating [1:35:39] episode for those that want to go back and listen to it. But the payola thing is still real. It's [1:35:46] just changed. You know, it's just the CIA. Yeah. Now it's the CIA. Well, but also it's like, you [1:35:51] know, you watch Fox news and, you know, Pfizer ad comes on television and then they, you know, [1:35:56] switch over and say, Hey, why don't you take that vaccine? And it's like, okay, this is just another [1:36:00] form of payola essentially. And I think that this is exactly what's been going on in the polling [1:36:05] industry. And that's why all these people, Oh, you can't trust the polls. And it's like, well, [1:36:08] it's not that polling doesn't work. It's that the people doing the polling suck, [1:36:15] you know? Right. So that's it. Big props. Yeah. For those of you that have enjoyed this. [1:36:20] Men are weak right now. That's what it is. Men are weak right now. Amen. And we need strong men. [1:36:24] There's a crisis of fatherhood in this country in more ways than one. But yeah. Hey, Mark, [1:36:29] thank you so much for joining us. To everybody that's watching, you can follow him on X. He's [1:36:34] funny. He's interactive. I love it. Uh, and there's always new data coming out. Honest pollster on X [1:36:42] his, that's not it. His new company, honest polco on X as well. And you're going to be launching, [1:36:49] uh, honest, the honest poll.com, uh, in the next couple of days, if you, if you just want to plug [1:36:56] any of that anymore, uh, and let people know what's going on and, uh, well, thank you for [1:37:00] join. Yeah. I mean, that's it. Like we, uh, I'll have a YouTube channel up the next 24 hours with [1:37:04] my first video out. And the first video is going to be why I got fired on purpose, but why I got [1:37:10] fired. And, uh, so you're probably not going to want to miss that. Uh, I think it'll be at honest [1:37:16] poll handle. And so people can go check that out if you remember it. And, uh, yeah, we're going to [1:37:21] put out a lot of explainer videos and go into topics even better than the previous stuff that [1:37:26] we had out there and uh you know will i always be right no because it's not so out there but i will [1:37:33] always be honest and so there's not really anybody like that in need yeah uh now hold on wait a second [1:37:39] i did my wonderful assistant my wife reminded me that we did get a super chat uh let me just read [1:37:47] it just in case it's a question for you it's from discovery bricks 36 94 sent 20 dollars on youtube [1:37:53] said interesting interview. Oh yeah. Oh, this is not a super chat for, for Mark, but, uh, [1:37:59] I'll read it anyway. But by the way, I just ordered a one acre beef stick, [1:38:03] saved 18 bucks using your discount code. Thank you very much. Nice. Not a question. [1:38:08] Yeah. You know, hello, but, uh, thank you again so much for joining us. This was great. We'll [1:38:12] have to have you back on as we get closer to the midterms for some more perspective. [1:38:16] Yeah. I had a lot of fun. Awesome. Fantastic. God bless you. Amazing. Amazing. And this [1:38:23] This week, we've had so many amazing people coming on the show, and we've got even more coming next week. [1:38:30] Like I said, we've got an interview in the can with J.D. Hall that I will be playing on Monday, Wednesday. [1:38:39] We have got an absolute banger, actually, that's going to be on the show. [1:38:44] For those of you that are into the homesteading thing, this one is going to get you excited. [1:38:50] we have got the one and only Joel Salatin. [1:38:55] Let me put him up on the screen. [1:38:59] Of course, he is the founder of Polyface Farms. [1:39:03] He's been a pioneer in regenerative farming and agriculture [1:39:10] and teaching people how to raise chickens. [1:39:13] It's amazing. [1:39:15] So Joel Salatin, he will be joining us next Wednesday, okay? [1:39:20] Hold on. My ADD brain, okay? I got ahead of myself. This Friday, this Friday, we're doing a special show. I don't usually do shows on Friday, but this Friday at 6 p.m., we will be joined by Richard Gage. [1:39:38] Richard Gage is, of course, the founder of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. [1:39:47] He is no longer with that organization. [1:39:53] This is another picture of him there. [1:39:55] But Richard Gage has been a 9-11 Truth teller since day one. [1:40:02] Like I said, he organized the original push for the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Truth. [1:40:07] and the 25th anniversary of 9-11 is just around the corner. [1:40:13] So we will be having a very special, special edition episode of The Backlash [1:40:19] this Friday at 6 p.m. Eastern, 3 p.m. Central with Richard [1:40:24] to talk about 9-11, 25 years in retrospect. [1:40:29] And so that will be an amazing show. [1:40:31] Monday, then we've got J.D. Hall, author of The Hyphenated Heresy. [1:40:36] and so we're going to be going over what's been going on with the Israel stuff when it comes to [1:40:43] churches. He was recently on Tucker Carlson and so I think that there's been some interesting [1:40:48] developments in that area. Then we've got Joel Salatin that's going to be coming on Wednesday. [1:40:56] So just an absolutely action-packed list of speakers and I'm really looking forward to it. [1:41:04] I think that you guys are going to get a lot out of this. [1:41:08] And so we do have some other stuff that I want to talk about. [1:41:13] We've obviously got sponsor advertisements we have to read. [1:41:16] But first, a little bit of housekeeping. [1:41:19] And I should have done this at the beginning of the show. [1:41:21] I apologize for not. [1:41:23] But I haven't been plugging it as much. [1:41:26] Let's see. [1:41:26] Will you focus here? [1:41:27] Will you please focus? [1:41:29] We do have a P.O. box. [1:41:31] Okay. [1:41:31] It is P.O. Box 853, Post Falls, Idaho, 83877, okay? [1:41:41] So if you want to send snail mail, you can do that. [1:41:46] And we got some snail mail that I wanted to read for you on the show. [1:41:54] And so, first of all, as you open it up, thank you for the Benny. [1:42:02] Thank you for the Benjamin. [1:42:04] I do appreciate it. [1:42:07] This is a old school snail mail super chat. [1:42:11] And so, let's see here. [1:42:13] It says, Dave, I pray this finds you and yours in the best of health and spirits. [1:42:19] A Benjamin is enclosed to help keep the lights on. [1:42:23] My thoughts for today, that was super diabolical of them to slip a provision in the Save America Act that would merge U.S. and Israeli militaries. [1:42:42] Could you do a segment on this? [1:42:44] Thanks. [1:42:45] Say strong like concrete and steel from grace and race. [1:42:51] P.S. If you want to let me know that you have been receiving the money, please mention Grace and Race in one of your episodes. [1:42:59] So here we are. And I apologize. It's in cursive. [1:43:03] So I'm, you know, I went to public school. [1:43:06] My daughter is learning all cursive, by the way. [1:43:09] She has beautiful handwriting, much more so than me. [1:43:13] But yes, we are getting your letters. [1:43:17] Thank you, Grace and Race. [1:43:18] Thank you for the hundy to keep the lights on. [1:43:22] I do appreciate it. [1:43:23] It does cost a lot of money to keep the website going and the equipment and all of this stuff. [1:43:29] So thank you very much. [1:43:31] And again, if anybody would like to send some snail mail, I do appreciate it. [1:43:35] You can also send cigars, tins of tobacco. [1:43:40] I think Silent Bear one time sent me a whole case of Mexican Coke. [1:43:44] So you can do that at P.O. Box. [1:43:47] Come on. [1:43:48] P.O. Box 853, Post Falls, Idaho, 83877. [1:43:55] And if I'm not mistaken, the address should be in the show notes below. [1:44:02] I'll make sure that it's on our new and improved website. [1:44:06] But thank you very much for the big snail mail super chat. [1:44:10] And with that, we've got a couple more things that I want to cover and tease. [1:44:15] But first, we do have to thank our sponsors. [1:44:20] And first up, of course, is our friends at ODGG Supply. [1:44:24] They are the Pacific Northwest's premier dealer of military surplus. [1:44:31] So if you are not prepared, if you don't have a bug-out bag in your car, [1:44:37] if you don't have a bug-out bag at your house with a tourniquet, [1:44:41] some quick clot, you know, some medical equipment, emergency stitches and, you know, first aid [1:44:48] equipment, some of those space blankets, right? In case you lose power in the winter and you're [1:44:53] cold, you need a space blanket. It is such a good idea. We have never been at a point, [1:45:01] well, in our lifetimes anyway, we are at the brink. 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So first of all is that there's a ballot [1:49:47] initiative in November, we will be voting on whether or not we will allow Idahoans to murder [1:49:55] nine month pregnant women, babies. Okay. That's what's on the ballot. They want to murder children [1:50:04] has nothing to do with the health of the mother has nothing to do with the fact that, Oh, [1:50:09] they've been claiming, by the way, the left in Idaho has been claiming, uh, that one, Brian, [1:50:17] they've been claiming that OBGYNs have been fleeing the state ever since the Republican [1:50:27] party, the Republican supermajority has taken over. They've been running stories that, oh, [1:50:33] I can't get access to healthcare because these crazy Republicans, they want to throw OBGYNs in [1:50:39] jail because, you know, abortion or whatever, right? So they have been lying. They've been [1:50:44] running all kinds of stories about how women can't get health care in Idaho because of the [1:50:49] Republicans. And by the way, that's a lie. And this just came out within the last 24 hours. A new study [1:50:57] shows that OBGYNs in Idaho have been on the rise since 2019. In fact, it has been growing steadily [1:51:09] up 54%. We have 54% more OBGYNs in Idaho than we did in 2019. So the narrative that they're running [1:51:21] that doctors are scared to practice and that, so they're leaving the state, which is leaving women, [1:51:28] making it impossible for them to get healthcare. That's just a lie. They've been lying about that, [1:51:35] But they are dumping millions and millions of dollars into those lies. [1:51:41] They are running a giant campaign to influence people to get them to vote for abortion. [1:51:50] And we need to fight that because if Idaho, if Idaho legalized abortion, I might move. [1:51:58] You know, I mean, God will damn this state if we decide to shirk the moral law and murder our own. [1:52:08] OK, it's very serious. 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[1:54:09] If you use promo code for life for your first order, right? [1:54:14] Then you can use, register your email address and you'll get a second 10% off. [1:54:20] So, you know, they're trying, they're doing some good stuff. [1:54:25] That is, of course, IdahoTalo.com. [1:54:29] Now, something that I did want to mention, speaking of your values, sharing your values and all of the above, okay? [1:54:40] There's been a debacle. [1:54:42] there's been a debacle that's been unfolding we kind of talked about it a little bit on monday [1:54:49] okay and this has to do with the uh excuse me as i shift oh my knees i sit on my knees i shouldn't [1:54:56] do that but uh we did a show on monday about these uh crazy happenings in idaho one of them [1:55:03] was a mass shooting that took place in Twin Falls, Idaho. Some deranged piece of shit picked up a gun, [1:55:14] murdered three people, injured seven, and then he offed himself. Of course, that was after a good [1:55:20] Samaritan, a good guy with a gun, showed up and started returning fire, right? That forced this [1:55:27] deranged lunatic to go and find a nice spot to send himself to hell. Okay. So we talked about [1:55:35] that. If you missed it, you can go back and watch Monday's show. So with that said, there have been [1:55:42] a lot of people popping up to grift off of this situation. Okay. The Idaho second amendment [1:55:49] Alliance, the Idaho Freedom Foundation, and there have been a lot of tweets and back and [1:55:57] forths, okay? [1:55:58] My friend Lauren has published the Gives and Goes and the GoFundBees that are directly [1:56:05] helping the victims and the heroes from the mass shooting this past weekend, right? [1:56:13] Even Representative Heather Scott is getting into this, saying, be vigilant, go look at [1:56:18] the salaries and expenditures of these so-called nonprofit activists across the state. Well, [1:56:23] there's another problem with this whole thing that has come to light. And that is that they are, [1:56:30] so they're selling a t-shirt. Okay. This is the big thing. It's like, oh, well, [1:56:35] we're donating all the proceeds of the t-shirt sales to the victims. Okay. So we're not really [1:56:42] grifting. Actually, you're racist and you're a grifter. We're not grifters. You're the grifter. [1:56:47] That's what's been going on with these people. [1:56:49] Greg Pruitt, Dustin Hurst, Maria and Ron Nate. [1:56:53] And so they are selling this t-shirt, okay? [1:56:56] You know, it's got the picture of the guy that stood up to shoot back. [1:57:00] They're charging 30 bucks. [1:57:01] But if we zoom in, we can see that this is a print-on-demand service [1:57:10] through a company called Printful. [1:57:13] You can see their other thing, right? [1:57:15] wear your principles. [1:57:19] Wear your principles. [1:57:21] And it is being produced by a company called Printful. [1:57:26] Well, I'm sure it will come as no surprise to you whatsoever [1:57:32] that Printful donates its profits to gay pride. [1:57:41] That was the wrong one. [1:57:42] They donate their profits to gay pride. [1:57:46] That's right. [1:57:48] Every t-shirt you buy from the Idaho Freedom Foundation is actually supporting Baltic Pride. [1:57:58] Don't shoot the messenger. [1:58:01] This is from their Wikipedia page. [1:58:04] Printful supports Baltic Pride through powering their diversity shop. [1:58:09] All proceeds go to the Association of LGBT and whatever that is, Mosaicia. [1:58:17] I don't know what that is. [1:58:18] The organization behind Baltic Pride. [1:58:20] In 2023, Printful's investor, Baragal Sagemount, and the Kofra Foundation funded $80,000 to the LGBT House Riga, Latvia's first LGBTQ plus support center. [1:58:37] so what are we doing here what are we doing we are supposed and i'll go to their i'll just go [1:58:49] to their website i mean i also um i also did a whole react video to this uh over the weekend [1:58:57] you can see right here i kind of went off on it but it's like okay so you say you're not grifting [1:59:04] You say you're doing a fundraiser for the victims. [1:59:08] Okay. [1:59:09] Well, here's the thing. [1:59:12] It costs about $15 to Printful to make the shirt. [1:59:19] Then you've got to ship the shirt. [1:59:21] So that's another $5, let's say. [1:59:24] So $20 out of that $30, okay, they're charging $30 for the shirt. [1:59:30] So at least two-thirds of that amount of money is going to Printful. [1:59:39] And Printful is giving that money to Gay Pride in Latvia. [1:59:45] Are those your principles? Really? [1:59:49] And then, what about the guy that designed the shirt? [1:59:53] He's an employee, so you've got to pay his salary. [1:59:56] So that comes out of the $10 that are left over. [1:59:58] And then the salary of the executives that run the Freedom Foundation and Honor Idaho and the Second Amendment Alliance, they're all taking their cut out of what's. [2:00:11] And so then what's left of that thirty dollars. [2:00:15] What are we talking? [2:00:17] Two dollars and fifty cents a shirt. [2:00:20] Just give the thirty dollars to the victims. [2:00:24] Cut the middleman out. [2:00:25] Cut the gay pride T-shirt company out. [2:00:28] just give them the money directly. [2:00:32] And so, you know, I posted, uh, I posted about this. [2:00:36] I posted the links, uh, if you want to give, uh, below, where is it? [2:00:45] Right here. [2:00:46] Here is the fundraisers, the direct fundraisers. [2:00:51] I will put that in the live chat. [2:00:54] So if any of you are thinking about donating to the victims of the mass shooting, you can do that directly instead of giving your money to gay pride organizations like the Idaho Freedom Foundation, which which also, by the way, engages in identity politics. [2:01:12] Right. They had a they had a speaker at their recent event in Boise from Let Women Speak, which is a female identity politics group. [2:01:23] And they also had Seth Dillon from the Babylon Bee, who is anti-Catholic and pro-Israel. [2:01:31] So the Idaho Freedom Foundation has absolutely lost its way. [2:01:35] And it's just amazing that when you point that out, then they'll call me a racist, which they did. [2:01:42] Let me see if I can go to the Idaho Second Amendment. [2:01:47] Hold on. [2:01:48] Idaho second. It's just, it's amazing when it gets so bad [2:01:59] that you have to accuse other people of being racist. Well, you know, you're not really a [2:02:08] conservative. If you're a conservative going around accusing other conservatives of being racist, [2:02:15] you might be a leftist [2:02:17] actually [2:02:18] you might be a leftist [2:02:20] so here is the tweet [2:02:22] there is a nutcase racist [2:02:25] piece of shit up north [2:02:27] that's me [2:02:28] spreading lies that we are grifting off of [2:02:31] Jordan Salinas' heroic actions [2:02:33] except that if you had read our [2:02:35] posts we're raising funds for the victims [2:02:37] and are donating the proceeds to them [2:02:39] don't listen to stupid people online [2:02:41] you know we've done [2:02:43] fundraisers in the past, blah, blah, blah. But it's just so tone deaf. Bro, these people. And [2:02:55] of course they were then accusing Heather Scott of saying, oh, well, she's going to be for gun [2:03:02] control now. It's like, no, she's not going to be for gun control because she's calling you out. [2:03:07] And like, let's be very honest here. Let's be very clear. Okay. Because it is similar, [2:03:12] Right. This idea they're making a T-shirt and they're giving the proceeds to Jordan Salinas and the victims. [2:03:19] OK, Idaho Tallow, our sponsor, is doing a similar thing where they're selling soap at a discount and they're giving the proceeds to the Idaho Republican Party to fight this ballot initiative. [2:03:35] But the difference is that it's very upfront. [2:03:38] OK, the difference is that it's up front says we'll donate 20 percent of every purchase using this code toward organizations working to defeat the abortion initiative. [2:03:50] So it's like, yeah, you know, not all of the money is going to the abortion initiative. [2:03:57] It's 20%. [2:03:59] Okay, so there's some margin there. [2:04:02] But I think that's very upfront and very honest, [2:04:04] as opposed to the dishonest way that they're doing things with this mass shooting. [2:04:10] And furthermore, furthermore, [2:04:13] things that really grind my gears about this incident, [2:04:19] they started selling these T-shirts before the bodies were cold. [2:04:26] Okay? [2:04:27] There are four dead people in Twin Falls. [2:04:32] And they started selling these T-shirts before the bodies had even been picked up from the coroner's office. [2:04:41] Okay? [2:04:43] And there is, in fact, a huge difference between what happened in Twin Falls and, let's say, Kyle Rittenhouse. [2:04:53] You know, I own a T-shirt with Kyle Rittenhouse's image and likeness on it. [2:04:57] and there's a difference, okay? [2:05:02] Kyle Rittenhouse was at a riot trying to keep the peace where he lived, [2:05:09] trying to secure his neighborhood, or whatever. [2:05:13] I guess he drove over state lines. [2:05:16] But while he was in the course of attempting to keep his community safe, [2:05:22] three people came up and tried to kill him. [2:05:25] so he [2:05:28] defended himself [2:05:30] and shot Antifa [2:05:32] that was coming at him [2:05:34] okay [2:05:34] what happened in Twin Falls [2:05:37] was a mass shooting [2:05:39] it was a piece of shit [2:05:41] coward that brought a gun [2:05:44] to an In-N-Out burger [2:05:45] and started indiscriminately [2:05:47] shooting people [2:05:48] that is a totally different [2:05:53] situation [2:05:54] than what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse. [2:05:57] What happened in Twin Falls was a tragedy. [2:06:02] And the fact that these people are grifting off of it [2:06:05] is a travesty. [2:06:08] And to add insult to injury [2:06:11] is the fact that your money will be funneled [2:06:16] to gay pride in Latvia [2:06:18] if you support their fundraiser. [2:06:22] So listen. [2:06:24] Do whatever you want to do. [2:06:26] Okay? [2:06:27] I'm not your dad. [2:06:29] I'm not your boss. [2:06:30] I'm just pointing out the absolute tastelessness of what these groups like the Second Amendment [2:06:39] Alliance and the Idaho Freedom Foundation are doing. [2:06:42] It is tasteless. [2:06:43] It is disgusting. [2:06:47] Just, you know, what are we doing? [2:06:50] And then, of course, you've got the whole Mormon angle of that, where Dustin Hurst, Ronna Maria Nate, and Greg Pruitt, they're all Mormons. [2:06:59] And they're all doing this weird, grifty thing with it. [2:07:04] So, and please, don't, I love the Mormons. [2:07:08] All my neighbors are Mormon. [2:07:10] We're going to have a Mormon guest on this show very soon, by the way, former state senator for Idaho. [2:07:17] and we're going to bring him on to talk religion and politics, [2:07:21] which are, of course, my two favorite subjects. [2:07:25] So anyway, just a couple of thoughts, [2:07:29] just a couple of thoughts about this. [2:07:31] Now, to get back before I went on my rant, [2:07:35] there is a ballot initiative, the abortion ballot initiative. [2:07:40] If you live in Coeur d'Alene, if you live in North Idaho, okay? [2:07:44] If you are my neighbor and you live up here in the north and you want to help and you want to get involved in the fight against abortion, the unjust killing of children, then there is a event that you should sign up for right now. [2:08:02] if you live in the area. [2:08:04] I'm going to put the link in the live chat. [2:08:07] So if you're watching, you can go to the live chat. [2:08:10] But there is a pro-life Get Out the Vote workshop [2:08:14] happening in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho on August 13th at 6 p.m. [2:08:20] That is next Wednesday, I do believe. [2:08:24] Let me check my calendar. [2:08:28] Check my calendar. [2:08:30] Uh, it is next Thursday. I take it back next Thursday evening at 6 PM at the core Delane resort [2:08:40] here in North Idaho. The leadership Institute will be putting on a training teaching people [2:08:47] how to door knock, how to get out the vote, how to talk to people, how to change their mind. [2:08:53] okay so this is going to be a very worthwhile thing if you live in the area you want to learn [2:09:01] how to get into politics you want to make a difference come to this leadership institute [2:09:07] event you will learn something and yes it will help push the ball down the field this is something [2:09:15] productive that you can do with your time. It is not, uh, you know, anyway, don't just come out. [2:09:24] If you can next Thursday, leadership Institute, it's going to be a great time. Uh, what else? [2:09:32] Let me just make sure that my secretary doesn't have anything else for me to tell you. Okay. Oh, [2:09:37] that reminds me the super chat. Thank you for the super chat earlier from discovery bricks, [2:09:42] 36 94. Thank you for the super chat. I do appreciate it. We don't get many super chats [2:09:51] on this show, so we have to make it special. Uh, and what he was talking about is that he, uh, [2:09:57] he went to the one acre beef people. And so, uh, yeah, if you come on our podcast website, [2:10:06] the backlash.net, you can go to the affiliates tab right up here and you can see all of the [2:10:11] different companies that we have deals with. And one of them is One Acre Iowa. And so we haven't [2:10:18] really talked about them. You know, it's a pure commission thing, but they make the best beef [2:10:25] snack sticks I've ever had in my life. It's not a gimmick. It's true. They sent us a whole box full [2:10:32] of them back when Vince was on the show ages and ages ago. And they are delicious. They're fairly [2:10:41] inexpensive. It's great for the kids when you're going on a road trip and the kids start whining, [2:10:47] you can, uh, you know, throw a beef stick at them and they'll be happy for at least three minutes. [2:10:53] They won't be crying. Uh, but man, it is, it is really good. So they got meat sticks. They got [2:10:58] jerky. I think they also have honey, honey sticks that they've made with local honey, [2:11:03] from where they are out in Iowa. [2:11:08] So, yeah, visit them, man. [2:11:10] They're great. [2:11:11] You know, value-aligned company. [2:11:13] They're on board. [2:11:15] And so, yeah, if you need some beef sticks, [2:11:17] visit OneAcreBeef.com or OneAcreIowa.com. [2:11:21] Actually, no, no, no. [2:11:22] Take it back. [2:11:22] You have to use the link. [2:11:23] You have to use the link on the website. [2:11:25] That's how the discount happens. [2:11:29] You click on the link. [2:11:30] It follows you to the website. [2:11:32] Then you get the discount. [2:11:33] and I think we do get like a small, small commission, [2:11:37] a couple of 50 cents a dollar here and there. [2:11:40] But yeah, visit all these companies. [2:11:42] They're great, you know? [2:11:44] Bitcoin, I think it's a good time to buy Bitcoin, [2:11:46] even though things are crazy. [2:11:48] You can do that with River Bitcoin. [2:11:50] If you want to secure your Bitcoin, [2:11:52] the Blockstream Jade Plus is a great option. [2:11:56] They have not been hacked. [2:11:58] They have very good hardware. [2:12:01] We had an issue a couple days ago with a Bitcoin company. [2:12:07] Also, the Catholic Pipe Company. [2:12:09] You know, if you are into smoking like I am, [2:12:11] you can get a custom pipe made by the Catholic Pipe Company. [2:12:17] I don't get any money from it, but I like them, [2:12:20] and I think they're good people. [2:12:22] And I've got one of their pipes, actually. [2:12:25] They sent me one. [2:12:26] It's a St. Padre Pio pipe. [2:12:29] Let's see if you can, you can kind of see St. Padre Pio there. [2:12:33] And it says, pray for us. [2:12:37] Right there, it says, pray for us. [2:12:39] Anyway, it's a nice, it's a great pipe. [2:12:42] Great pipe. [2:12:43] Love it. [2:12:43] Love smoking it. [2:12:46] Okay. [2:12:46] Is that enough shilling for today? [2:12:48] Is that enough shilling? [2:12:49] Are you happy? [2:12:50] Are you people happy? [2:12:51] I'm kidding. [2:12:51] I'm kidding. [2:12:52] But yeah. [2:12:53] So last but not least, of course, our friends at atlasbullion.com. [2:12:57] If you are tired of your money becoming worth less and less, save in gold and silver instead of keeping your money in the bank. [2:13:06] You can do that by going to atlasbullion.com slash backlash, and you can sign up to stack precious metals the easy way with an automatic subscription that gets sent to you. [2:13:18] You can choose gold or silver or gold and silver, and it gets shipped to your door. [2:13:24] It's in your hand. [2:13:25] it's not going to get hacked. You can't hack somebody's gold. Can't hack somebody's physical [2:13:32] silver. And believe me, the government is not going door to door to round up people that have [2:13:38] gold and silver. Believe me, they don't have the manpower, especially with the war in Iran and the [2:13:43] problems going on in the border. So get some gold and silver, go to atlasbullion.com slash backlash. [2:13:50] And that'll do it for today. We'll be back with a special episode this Friday. [2:13:55] with Richard Gage, 9-11 Truth. [2:14:00] Let me see if I can pull up the website. [2:14:03] Richard Gage, 9-11. [2:14:08] Here it is. [2:14:10] Richard Gage, 9-11.org. [2:14:13] Come on, man. [2:14:15] Here we go. [2:14:17] So he does a lot of writing. [2:14:19] They've got a big conference coming up [2:14:23] September 10th through the 13th. [2:14:26] It's called the Turning the Tide on 9-11 conference. [2:14:31] And some big speakers are coming, okay? [2:14:34] James Corbett from the Corbett Report, [2:14:37] Roger Waters, Jimmy Doerr, [2:14:39] Dennis Kucinich, Phil Turney. [2:14:42] So some people that have been on this program [2:14:45] are actually coming to speak there, [2:14:46] which is great. [2:14:48] So we'll be having him on this Friday, [2:14:51] Richard Gage with some 9-11 truth bombs coming up here on the 25th anniversary. [2:14:59] This will be the 25th anniversary of 9-11. [2:15:01] Can you believe it? [2:15:03] I remember like it was just yesterday. [2:15:05] So anyway, that's this Friday. [2:15:07] Then on Monday, J.D. Hall. [2:15:09] And then on Wednesday, Joel Salatin, the homesteading extraordinaire. [2:15:17] and then we've got a list of some other people [2:15:20] that are going to be coming on the show. [2:15:22] So make sure you're subscribed. [2:15:24] Make sure that you like the video. [2:15:26] Send it to your friends and family, [2:15:28] anybody who you think would get something out of this [2:15:30] and thank you for listening. [2:15:31] Thanks for watching. [2:15:32] Thanks for joining us today. [2:15:34] We'll be back on Friday. [2:15:35] God bless everybody and have a good night. [2:15:47] Thank you. [2:16:17] I'm sorry. [2:16:47] Thank you. [2:17:17] We'll be right back. [2:17:47] We'll see you next time. [2:18:17] Thank you.