Episode 115 — The Crisis In The Catholic Church EXPLAINED w/ Stephen Kokx

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[0:01:45] Saturday. So Patriot Front's back. That's some big news. [0:01:49] uh also uh guys strap in strap on we've got some huge huge news mark fitzpatrick owner of the old [0:02:01] state saloon has officially announced that he is running for governor of idaho on the republican [0:02:09] ticket let's take it back from a rhino brad little on may 19th uh we love mark mark has been [0:02:17] very gracious to us. We caused a lot of problems for him over the summer. We're, of course, [0:02:23] deeply sorry for that. But are we not really? But nevertheless, we do support Mark and hopefully [0:02:29] we will have him on the show at some point next week. We've got Casey Putsch coming on. He's [0:02:32] running for governor of Idaho. So this is like the year of governor candidates here on the backlash. [0:02:39] But anyway, yes. OK, now that all of that is taken care of, we can introduce our guest, [0:02:45] Stephen Cox. Stephen Cox is the primary author, owner, proprietor of Cox News. [0:02:53] That's coxnews.substack.com. He also runs a YouTube channel. [0:02:58] He is on X at Stephen Cox. He is a former LifeSite News author. [0:03:04] You were there for like, what, 10 years? [0:03:07] That felt like eight years about. [0:03:09] Eight years. And now he is broken off. He's gone on his own. [0:03:13] He's doing his own thing. So, Stephen, please introduce yourself to the audience, a little bit about your background and what you do. [0:03:20] Yeah, thanks for having me on, guys. It's a pleasure to be here. I've known Dave at least for seven or eight years. [0:03:25] I actually just had you on the show on Friday, and it was pretty spicy. [0:03:28] We were talking about the crisis in the church, Latin mass stuff, and what to do going forward. [0:03:35] I've been in the Catholic world for at least 15 years now, worked for the Archdiocese of Chicago in my 20s, [0:03:42] former community college instructor, written several books, and just today published a pretty awesome interview, [0:03:48] if I must say, with Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, who's been calling out the Masonic, and now today, the Talmudic world order. [0:03:56] So I'm very involved in all of the, what I like to call the contra-revolutionary, traditional Catholic space, [0:04:03] opposed to the conciliar church, [0:04:05] which is the handmaid of the New World Order. [0:04:08] We, of course, see that happening with Leo [0:04:10] as well as all his lackeys in the U.S., [0:04:13] including Stupich, McElroy, and Tobin, [0:04:15] who just wrote an article denouncing [0:04:17] Trump's America First Forum policy. [0:04:20] And I'm sure we'll get into all of that. [0:04:21] But yeah, that's myself. [0:04:23] Yeah, no, and I definitely need to plug your book. [0:04:26] We had a chance, geez, [0:04:27] that was like almost two years ago at this point. [0:04:29] Me and Vince met up with you in Chicago [0:04:31] right after you released this book, [0:04:33] Navigating the Crisis in the Catholic Church. [0:04:35] That's, of course, available, I think, on Amazon. [0:04:37] It was published by St. Peter's Press. [0:04:40] And yeah, so I mean, I guess, you know, Stephen, [0:04:42] there's a couple of different ways to tackle this. [0:04:46] And I'm thinking that the best way to get into this [0:04:50] is going to be the vegano angle. [0:04:53] We've got a little clip here that we're going to play. [0:04:56] I think this was initially released in 2023 or 2024. [0:05:00] but Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano was the apostolic nuncio to Washington, D.C. [0:05:10] He was in charge, basically, he was the Pope's right-hand man in America, [0:05:14] overseeing all of the different dioceses, [0:05:18] and he came out with a bombshell statement that we're going to take a listen to here [0:05:23] about what has been going on in the church and in the world. [0:05:28] Let's take a quick listen here. [0:05:30] and there we go hold on a second this is what happens when you've got uh [0:05:38] technical problems uh main multi-track there we go okay let's restart it [0:05:48] a few weeks ago an important collaborator of hillary clinton and john podesta was arrested [0:05:59] for pedophilia and child pornography. [0:06:03] I am referring to Slade Sommer, [0:06:07] a man with ties to the world of Broadway and cinema, [0:06:11] who played a role in the effort [0:06:14] to debunk the infamous Pizzagate affair. [0:06:18] That is, the network of filthy complicity [0:06:22] and horrendous crimes against minors [0:06:26] that revolves around the international deep state. [0:06:32] We have learned that certainly Jeffrey Epstein [0:06:36] and most likely Ghislaine Maxwell [0:06:40] were members of the Israeli Mossad. [0:06:46] This makes us understand [0:06:49] that the famous trips of many well-known people [0:06:54] to Epstein Island [0:06:55] were used to blackmail them [0:06:58] by collecting evidence of their guilt [0:07:02] in participating in heinous ritual crimes against minor. [0:07:09] And if the heads of state and governance officials [0:07:13] of the Western world [0:07:15] do not dare to breathe out a word of protest [0:07:19] against the massacres of civilians in Gaza Strip, [0:07:25] It is legitimate to assume that this attitude is due to the intensive dossiers and videos [0:07:35] inculpating them that are in possession of the Israeli intelligence services. [0:07:43] The same thing must be happened with the preparation of the fake pandemic emergency, [0:07:50] emergency, which was [0:07:53] lavishly replicated [0:07:55] in all the member states of the [0:07:57] World Economic Forum [0:07:58] and the United Nations [0:08:00] and also with the [0:08:03] fuss of the Ukrainian crisis. [0:08:07] But this black [0:08:08] made of the powerful [0:08:10] of the world [0:08:11] constituted the unifying [0:08:14] element of the [0:08:16] globalist subversive project. [0:08:18] so there we've got a clip obviously that was from i think like 2024 have you ever seen that before [0:08:27] rebecca no so vegano would have known all of these people he would have known for example [0:08:33] theodore mccarrick who was involved with a lot of this child sex cover-up scandal and all of this [0:08:40] He came out with this statement and was promptly excommunicated by the church. [0:08:49] And so, of course, here we are. [0:08:51] It's several years later. [0:08:53] And everything that he was talking about there is true. [0:08:57] Why can't this guy be Pope? [0:08:58] Right. [0:08:59] So could you kind of give us an intro to Vigano, what happened to him, and how this all relates? [0:09:08] because on the one side there's kind of this hangout of Epstein and everything that went on there with the pandemic, [0:09:16] with Pizzagate and all that. [0:09:18] But I think that also kind of ties into Vatican II in a way. [0:09:22] So if you could kind of guide us through what we're seeing here. [0:09:26] Yeah, so Archibald Vigano actually sort of, well, first of all, he was the third highest ranking member in the Catholic Church, actually. [0:09:34] he was in charge of Vatican City State, and he was doing essentially what Trump had said he wanted to do at one time, drain the swamp. [0:09:41] He was getting financial responsibility brought back into order, and he was basically going to become a cardinal under, that was then Benedict XVI. [0:09:52] And he was eventually named, basically outed because of his reforms, and sent over to the U.S. to be nuncio, as you mentioned. [0:10:00] And he fulfilled that role, and then later when Francis I came along, this is 2013, he was kept on for a short time, and Francis asked him about Theodore McCarrick, who was basically the highest-ranking cardinal in the United States for decades. [0:10:18] and now we know was grooming and molesting seminarians [0:10:22] and basically building what today is generally referred to [0:10:25] as part of the St. Gallen Lavender Mafia. [0:10:28] And he has helped get his successors in charge, that's right, [0:10:33] of all the key dioceses in the United States. [0:10:36] Now, Vigano blew the whistle on this in, I think it was 2019, [0:10:40] right around the time of COVID, [0:10:41] basically saying he said Francis knew about the corruption of this McCarrick, [0:10:46] didn't do anything about it, [0:10:48] And so when he came out publicly, he was saying that it is my duty before God. [0:10:53] I'm going to be held responsible for the things that I know and what I'm not saying. [0:10:57] So I have to speak out. [0:10:58] And this really catapulted him to international fame because anyone who goes against the man in white and the Vatican that harshly is a big thing. [0:11:08] So fast forward a couple of years, he's been using his influence and networks, basically, and his knowledge, as you said, Dave, of the international scene to expose, as he said, [0:11:18] the global elite, Jeffrey Epstein situation, and everything else that's going on in the Middle East. [0:11:23] So that's who he is. I have had some connections with him. He's been very kind to me to give [0:11:28] interviews to myself, to endorse my book, as you said, Navigating the Crisis in the Church. [0:11:33] Those are essays that I've written over the past 14 years. So that's kind of who he is. We can [0:11:37] probably pause it there if you have any questions or clarifying statements, and then I'll jump into [0:11:41] Vatican II if you want. Yeah, well, I mean, it just, you know, it seems like there was a [0:11:48] cabal in the church that was even present at Vatican II and was involved in changing church [0:11:57] doctrine, changing the liturgy. Is this cabal, the St. Gallen Mafia, were these guys all tied [0:12:07] in with Epstein was this because there was remember there was that picture of Epstein [0:12:10] at the Vatican I don't have a copy of that to bring up um but so it's a bit complicated I so [0:12:18] St. Gallen Mafia was basically basically a group of pro-homosexual clergy uh who helped elect [0:12:24] Jorge Bergoglio at the 2013 conclave better known as Francis who basically tied the church and [0:12:30] wedded it to the globalist class the United Nations climate agenda open borders immigrationism [0:12:35] And that's essentially what's also being continued today under Leo when he blessed this glacier. [0:12:41] I call it Glaciergate earlier, actually last year. [0:12:45] So you could say what Vigano really kind of emphasizes and leans into when I interviewed him, and you can go to my subject on this. [0:12:52] He says there's a parallel here, right? [0:12:54] With Epstein blackmailing and working for, as Vigano says, Ashkenazi philanthropists. [0:12:59] Okay, so he has a very artful and colorful way to express himself at the World Economic Forum. [0:13:04] just as world leaders are basically groomed and controlled through blackmail and basically Israeli intelligence, [0:13:11] so too has a similar situation been created in the Catholic Church, what he calls the conciliar church. [0:13:17] This is the term that's used for the post-Vatican II Church because of the very different beliefs and practices that it has, [0:13:23] as opposed to the church before Vatican II, and there is the quote right there. [0:13:26] And so he says there's a similar thing that occurred in the church, basically with McCarrick, [0:13:30] who, again, groomed a lot of these liberal [0:13:33] young seminarians in the 70s and 80s. [0:13:36] And their successors, [0:13:37] they're now in power in the United States. [0:13:39] And we're talking about Cardinal Cupich. [0:13:41] McElroy was Leo a part of that. [0:13:43] We don't really know. [0:13:44] He was down in Peru. [0:13:45] He's from Chicago, though. [0:13:46] And Cupich is from Chicago. [0:13:48] There's an old boys network there. [0:13:50] Chicago's like the hub, [0:13:52] if you want to know, [0:13:52] of basically this sort of behavior [0:13:54] amongst the clergy in the U.S. [0:13:57] So that's kind of what he is. [0:13:59] uh vatican ii is a little different but again i'll pause before jumping into it because kind [0:14:03] of a long story but um yeah a vegano is calling out basically the similarities that he's seeing [0:14:09] in the ecclesial sphere and the civil sphere yeah it's it's unbelievable it's and god bless [0:14:16] him for speaking up about it um how did you get connected with vegano how do you how did you like [0:14:22] wind up landing a contact with like the third highest person in the church [0:14:26] yeah so when he was kind of going out on his own uh he was making contact with a lot of media [0:14:33] figures i was at latest at the time and i like a lot of other priests who have since i think [0:14:39] reached out to him just used my contacts and said i want to reach out to this person and see what he [0:14:44] has to say about my situation i was dealing with the private thing and had some questions also about [0:14:48] just um you know his views because i'm someone who's a former community college instructor i [0:14:53] taught political science. I'm writing a book on Vatican II right now, so I wanted to pick his [0:14:58] brain on things. And it just became apparent that we saw eye to eye a lot of things. His Excellency [0:15:03] was close to Bishop Williamson later in his life, who I have known for at least the last nine years. [0:15:09] And so he's been very friendly and very kind. And now he's been so-called excommunicated [0:15:14] from the conciliar authorities, who he says are illegitimate because they subscribe to [0:15:20] a new modernist, globalist religion, [0:15:23] and they have no ability to excommunicate him [0:15:25] because they're out there making unity [0:15:27] with Orthodox and Anglicans and non-Catholics [0:15:30] when there's no unity to be had. [0:15:32] And so his whole point is, [0:15:33] look, I'm not excommunicated, [0:15:34] just as Archbishop Lefebvre, [0:15:36] the founder of the SSPX in the 1970s, [0:15:39] was excommunicated by John Paul II in 1988. [0:15:43] He said, this is a globalist church, [0:15:44] it's an ecumenical church [0:15:45] that's tending towards this new world religion. [0:15:49] And so now that I think he's been excommunicated, [0:15:52] he's got a bit more time to interact and do media interviews like my own, [0:15:58] and he's been very kind. [0:15:59] So yes, I think he's a great churchman. [0:16:01] He's a historic figure, I think. [0:16:03] I don't know any clergy in the church, in the conciliar church, [0:16:06] or even outside of it, in the traditional movement, [0:16:08] that really understand the issues, as he does. [0:16:10] So I think he's a great gift in God in these times. [0:16:14] Now, there was, I think, a lot of interesting stuff afoot back during the period of time when Pope Benedict was resigning. [0:16:26] And there is some interesting emails that have come out in the Epstein troves of emails between Larry Summers and Jeffrey Epstein talking about the Vatican Bank, talking about some of the stuff that was going on there. [0:16:45] As you recall, there was also a scandal back before John Paul II. There was John Paul I, who was elected in, what year was that, 1970-something? And within, what, 33 days of him being elected, interesting number, 33, that pops up, he was poisoned. [0:17:08] he was assassinated and several prominent men that were Freemasons that had ties to the Vatican [0:17:16] Bank they were found for example one in the city of London that was found hanging by his neck with [0:17:22] bricks in his pockets and that had a lot to do with reforming the Vatican Bank and then again [0:17:29] you know here we've got this issue of Pope Benedict being I guess he was presented with [0:17:36] a bunch of dossiers about compromising internal enemies at the Vatican, and then he resigned, [0:17:44] ushering in the age of Pope Francis. So can you kind of like tell us a little bit about [0:17:50] what was going on there and the background? Yeah, so I haven't read all of the Epstein [0:17:55] files related to this, but to add to your commentary there, it's also interesting to [0:18:01] note that Cardinal Pell, he was an Australian [0:18:03] cardinal who also died [0:18:05] actually not long ago [0:18:06] after he was himself looking into [0:18:09] Vatican financial affairs. [0:18:11] He was actually tasked with cleaning up [0:18:13] the Vatican Bank and not long after [0:18:15] died. They said it was from COVID. [0:18:17] He was in his 70s. They said it was old [0:18:19] age. I think there's some funny business there [0:18:21] that was never really resolved. I think a lot of [0:18:23] persons who I know view that with [0:18:25] suspicion. And yeah, [0:18:26] Vatican [0:18:27] excuse me for that, [0:18:30] Vatican finances have always been very murky. [0:18:34] There's a lot of dubious expenses and relationships there that are worth unpacking. [0:18:40] I don't have all the details on that necessarily. [0:18:42] But I think, yeah, if you look back into John Paul I, he was seemingly looking into some of that and trying to potentially reform that. [0:18:49] There's claims of Masons that were involved, too. [0:18:52] I think, though, with Benedict's resignation, I think it's more a matter of just strictly the fact that when he was elected in 2000, I think it was 2003 was the conclave, might have been 2005. [0:19:01] He was elected with, again, the support of the St. Gallen Mafia. [0:19:05] That was the more liberal and pro-homosexual lobby. [0:19:08] And they sort of twisted his arm because at that conclave, Jorge Bergoglio, again, who later became Francis, was the runner up at that conclave. [0:19:17] And the only reason Benedict actually won was because that holdout faction eventually caved to him after there was basically a compromise. [0:19:25] And what it seems to me is that they agreed that Bergoglio, rather Ratzinger, won't go too hard on them if they don't go too hard on him. [0:19:36] Now, what was Ratzinger, Benedict XVI, doing in the last four or five years of his reign? [0:19:41] Well, he was actually getting somewhat friendly, or at least talking to the SSPX. [0:19:45] He freed the Latin mass to an extent. [0:19:47] So he was doing some things that traditional Catholics, like yourself and I, Dave, were okay with. [0:19:53] A lot of Catholics in the conservative and traditional area were saying this is a good thing. [0:19:58] Now, what seems to happen at that time was, as you mentioned, there was a lot of leaks that came out. [0:20:03] The Vati leak scandal, abuse cases started getting rampant. [0:20:06] The Boston Globe was publishing all these stories. [0:20:09] So it seems to me that the St. Gallon Mafia at that time were getting fed up with Benedict. [0:20:14] becoming more conservative. And yeah, there you go. And that they wanted to use their allies in [0:20:20] the media to bring pressure. And then finally, Benedict said, I cannot do enough. I can't do [0:20:24] more. And basically, he fled from the wolves, as he once said, to pray for me to not flee from the [0:20:29] wolves. But that's basically what happened, because right after that, at the next conclave in 2013 is [0:20:34] when Bergoglio, the St. Gallen Mafia's longtime candidate, was installed. And so that's what we [0:20:41] got from 2013 until his death just, I think, last year. Wow. All right. Well, so yeah, I mean, [0:20:48] like, let's get into Vatican II a little bit. What do you, what happened there? What was Vatican II? [0:20:53] Was it a council? Was it an anti-council? Did they change the religion? Was there heresy in there? [0:21:00] Well, look, I mean, Vatican II was a modernist coup in the Catholic Church. Now, what do I mean by [0:21:06] that? In the hundred years before Vatican II, there was a number of what are called modernist [0:21:11] and liberal theologians attacking the church's traditional teachings on a number of areas. [0:21:17] One was biblical scholarship, so how do we understand scripture? [0:21:20] Another was church teaching on politics, so do we endorse religious liberty? [0:21:24] Do we say Christ is king? [0:21:26] Do we stand and defend the Catholic state in the face of liberal interpretations of freedom of religion? [0:21:34] And there's a bunch of other areas, too. [0:21:35] Liturgy was also under attack. [0:21:37] And so there's about six areas I'm going into in my book. [0:21:40] And each one of these, especially also interfaith and interreligious dialogue and conversations with nonbelievers, was also an area. [0:21:48] So at Vatican II, all of those forces were basically unleashed. [0:21:52] And the Roman Curia, which was basically the Vatican's top officials at the time, were very traditional and very conservative. [0:21:59] But John XXIII, who emerged from the 1958 conclave, basically gave his moral support as well as his behind-the-scenes support to a lot of those liberal forces that were re-emerging in the 1930s, 40s, and 50s, which previously had been cracked down on by St. Pius X in the 1900s and early 1910s. [0:22:20] As well as all his predecessors condemned this modernist and liberal orientation. [0:22:25] So Vatican II sought, well, a lot of the conservatives sought to defend tradition, [0:22:30] but the liberals and modernists got in there, rewrote its documents. [0:22:33] The original schemas that were proposed were basically to condemn communism, [0:22:36] to defend the church's traditional teachings. [0:22:38] And we saw a number of changes and ambiguously worded phrases that were inserted [0:22:43] to counteract the more traditional orientation and more traditional doctrines. [0:22:49] And this was done with a number of, I would say, psychological warfare and manipulation tactics. [0:22:54] The U.S. media was involved. Time magazine, Henry Luce, you might recall, used his propaganda machine, as well as Avery Dulles to promote a lot of the liberal clergy and put them on his magazine cover to say, oh, they're the heroes in the new face of the church. They're opening up the church. [0:23:10] There's also rabbis met with various cardinals and clergy to influence them and twist their arm to have the church say that Jews are no longer responsible for the death of Christ. [0:23:20] There's a number of other areas. So I think at the end of the day, however you cut it, this was an act of the enemy and the enemy in regards to not only liberals and modernists who oppose traditional church teaching, but also outside forces such as the U.S. deep state, Jewish global power, and others who wanted the church to appease. [0:23:38] basically. I'm using this term in my book, appeasement, an appeasement policy to non-Catholics. [0:23:43] And we know there's a number of bad actors who are pressuring the cardinals and clergy [0:23:47] to do this. And it was a Herculean effort by the conservatives to even fight back a little bit, [0:23:51] but they didn't really last because the pressure was so immense. So it created a new church, [0:23:57] a new religion, as far as I'm concerned. And we've been living with the consequences, [0:24:01] suffering really, of the consequences of that ever since. [0:24:04] Yeah. You know, I pulled up on screen here. This is a declassified document from the CIA reading room from the Psychological Strategy Board in Washington, D.C., talking about the attached draft for the U.S. doctrinal program being circulated for action. [0:24:20] And this was, of course, part of their doctrinal warfare department, which was specifically set up to deal with religious ideologies and communism, Americanism, globalism. [0:24:34] And this all, of course, launched in like the 1950s. [0:24:37] So by the time that Vatican II had happened, this was firmly established. [0:24:41] It's over a decade old at that point. [0:24:43] Yeah, if you look at C.D. Jackson, as well as Time Magazine, Avery Dulles, they all coordinated and used that sort of mentality to infiltrate and to promote liberal clergy at the council to basically wed the church's teaching to the American system. [0:24:59] They understood the church was the bulwark against both the global communist class as well as Western liberal hegemony over not just Europe, but the entire world. [0:25:10] And so they used compliant vassals within the church who were friendly to their ideas. John Courtney Murray was especially one. I think you have there on the screen. Is that an article from Time Magazine from the 60s? [0:25:20] So, yeah, I actually quote that in my book because a lot of their paid apparatchiks on the dole there, many of them were Jewish, many of them were just secular reporters, but also liberal Catholics, which is an oxymoron because it doesn't exist. [0:25:33] but there were dissident Catholic journalists like Michael Novak and others who were involved [0:25:38] in promoting this idea that the church needs to change. [0:25:41] And their progeny, in other words, their successors who agree with them, [0:25:45] who are close to the U.S. deep state now, [0:25:47] I'm talking about George Weigel, people at the Opus Dei-run Catholic Information Center in Washington, D.C., [0:25:55] as well as people like Mary Aberstad and Professor Robert George over at Princeton, [0:25:59] who basically, well, he has Opus Dei, but he tries to make the Catholic faith palatable [0:26:03] to the American masses by toning it down and not talking about the kingship of Christ. [0:26:08] We're not talking about how bad Zionism is, right? He's actually a philo-Semite. [0:26:11] So this has all trickled down to us in the modern day. [0:26:15] And you see it not just in what we're talking about here, the Church's doctrine on Catholic [0:26:19] social teaching, but also in its liturgy as well. If you go to the Novus Riturum Mass, [0:26:24] you actually pray the Protestant version of the Our Father. When you go there, there's been a [0:26:28] number of other diminishments in the liturgy itself, too, to appease non-Catholics. So that [0:26:33] was the principal goal of the council, was to dilute down the church's traditional teachings, [0:26:38] that bulwark of tradition against globalism, against the entire modern system, the entire [0:26:44] facade. And now the church is basically being used as an ally and a support system. And this [0:26:50] is my last point, and I'm going on for a bit. But you saw this actually with Leo's recent remarks. [0:26:54] he condemned and called out President Trump. [0:26:57] And he said, I'm worried Trump is breaking up the alliance between the U.S. and Europe. [0:27:03] And so that's the clear-cut evidence that he is wedded to the liberal world order of the 20th century, [0:27:08] when in fact what Trump, and we can debate this or not, [0:27:11] but is trying, I think, in principle to do is to shift that alliance [0:27:14] and to make it more of a hemispheric focus in the U.S. away from Europe [0:27:19] and towards a more multipolar order. [0:27:21] here's a question for you because I've heard this bandied about a lot [0:27:25] is it true that one of the prayers in the Novus Ordo Mass [0:27:29] is actually taken from the Talmud [0:27:31] it is taken from a old Jewish prayer [0:27:37] for like a Seder meal [0:27:39] I don't know if it's directly quoted from the Talmud [0:27:41] but there is a part [0:27:43] I'm not a liturgical scholar [0:27:46] but yeah there is one in there [0:27:48] I think it talks about the work of human hands [0:27:50] and the vine of the fruit or something. [0:27:52] But I don't attend the Novostato, excuse me, [0:27:55] because of all of the changes. [0:27:56] And that's one of them that I learned very early on. [0:28:00] And I said, okay, that's enough for me. [0:28:01] What are we doing here? [0:28:02] How is this pleasing to God [0:28:04] when we're incorporating Jewish prayers [0:28:07] into the post, you know, [0:28:10] we're not living, you know, before Christ. [0:28:12] You know, this is after Christ. [0:28:13] This is his church. [0:28:14] You know, why are we doing that? [0:28:15] So, yeah. [0:28:16] Yeah, it's crazy. [0:28:17] I remember when I first heard about that, [0:28:19] it was just like, [0:28:20] are you kidding me? They literally replaced a Catholic prayer with a Jewish prayer in the [0:28:26] liturgy, and everyone's fine with it. No one says anything about it. We talked about this, [0:28:31] or I talked about it. And they removed a bunch of other things, too. They removed the St. Michael [0:28:35] prayer at the end of the liturgy, the calendar itself, the saints that they have removed. [0:28:41] Vigano mentions this actually in his interview with me. He says, if you go back to the 1960s, [0:28:46] Paul VI removed the commemoration of St. Simon of Trent in the martyrology. [0:28:52] Now, St. Simon of Trent was murdered in the Middle Ages by a group of Jews, [0:28:56] basically committing, killing him in the name of replicating the murder of Christ. [0:29:03] And what Vigano says here is, look, these are all murders of Gentile children, [0:29:07] and they were carried out back then, seemingly only by random and sporadic forces. [0:29:12] But now today, he says, with the Epstein files and what they tell us, it seems that the same forces then, he calls the synagogue, that governs the world. [0:29:22] It's a very powerful term that he uses there. [0:29:24] No other clergyman in the church is going to speak like that. [0:29:27] He says today, this blackmail and cover-up and killing, basically, of innocent children, which previously was taking place, is covered up by the media and their allies in the political scene. [0:29:39] And actually, if you go to the martyrology, to finish my point, of St. Simon of Trent, he was removed from that by Paul VI in 1965 to appease lobby groups. [0:29:48] So that's what the Church has done. It's not just a superficial change. It's at its roots and core of the Church's liturgical life. [0:29:55] You have them removing saints from actual commemorations and praying for them in order to appease, in this case, Jewish lobby groups. [0:30:03] Yeah, and it's interesting. They abolished the feast of St. Simon of Trent the same day as the publication of Nostra Aetate. And I talked about this a little bit on one of my episodes a couple weeks ago. Nostra Aetate, which is one of the documents in Vatican II, was written by a guy named Gregory Baum. [0:30:23] Greg Baum was born to a Jewish mother and a Protestant father [0:30:29] He eventually, I guess, became a Catholic priest somehow [0:30:35] Yeah, there it is, born to a Jewish mother and a Protestant father [0:30:39] He was a homosexual [0:30:40] He was a strong supporter of lesbians in the church [0:30:46] He explored his sexuality in non-conformist ways [0:30:50] Fell in love with a former priest [0:30:51] and what he is known for here on the wikipedia if we pull it up he is known for holocaust theology [0:31:00] lgbt advocacy and he wrote nostra etate dignitatis humane and unitatis red and de gratio and i just [0:31:08] find it amazing that there's there's a phenomenon out there now called pope's planers these are [0:31:14] people that no matter what happens, they find ways to explain away how the Pope is good [0:31:22] and how, you know, none of this is really an issue. [0:31:25] And they will defend to the death these documents that were written by a Jew, a homosexual Jew, [0:31:34] who, like... [0:31:36] He left the priesthood too afterwards. [0:31:37] Are you kidding me? [0:31:38] And he married a former nun. [0:31:40] So, you know, these are the sorts of people who were actually there. [0:31:42] And it all stems, actually, if you want to know where the power system came from in the Vatican, actually at the time, go and Google Cardinal Augustin Bea. [0:31:51] Augustin Bea was elevated by, unfortunately, Pius XII in the 1940s and 50s. [0:31:57] He was his personal confessor. [0:31:59] Augustin Bea was a German, and he was a fanatic with the humanism and interreligious dialogue. [0:32:04] And he invited, it was his idea to invite many Jewish scholars as well as Protestant observers to the council. [0:32:13] And Augustine Bea at the council ran a committee called the Committee for Christian Unity. [0:32:18] Now, of course, for Bea, who was a modernist, as I said earlier, he was one of those pushing the boundaries as to what this actually means pre-Vatican II. [0:32:26] He invited a lot of these persons to the council and basically said, what do you want? What do you want? What do you want? [0:32:32] and he gave the farm away. [0:32:33] And so he did not defend the church's teachings, [0:32:35] as John XXIII said. [0:32:37] He said he wants the council to defend the church's teachings more clearly. [0:32:41] But Augustine Bea, as well as others, ran with that and said, [0:32:46] no, we're going to twist the church's teachings to appease the non-Catholics. [0:32:50] So he's the sort of center there of it. [0:32:52] There's others involved with that, too. [0:32:54] There was a Jesuit from Argentina who was kicked out of the country [0:32:59] because the Argentinian Jesuits back then in the 40s and 50s were pretty conservative. [0:33:04] And he got kicked out, was sent to the U.S., and he was actually one of Augustin Bea's right hand man at the council. [0:33:09] So the Jesuits back then were, in my view, the source of the infiltration, and Augustin Bea was its ringleader. [0:33:16] Unreal. [0:33:17] In the event that we are able to return to a traditional Catholicism, some semblance of traditional Catholicism, [0:33:24] because I am Novus Ordo, but lapsed, basically. [0:33:27] this is the question I always ask our Catholic guests [0:33:30] is there going to be [0:33:32] an issue [0:33:34] is [0:33:35] is it something of a [0:33:38] dichotomy [0:33:40] to be a white nationalist traditional [0:33:42] Catholic can you be both [0:33:44] so there's actually [0:33:46] really good scholarship on this coming out of [0:33:48] a friend of mine who writes the American [0:33:50] reform substack [0:33:52] and he is basically [0:33:54] reminding Catholics that [0:33:56] to be someone who loves your country, loves your race, is actually not a sin. [0:34:02] And I actually coined the term quite a few years ago on a book I'm writing actually called Catholic Race Theory. [0:34:07] And we're going to get into this more. [0:34:10] Yep. So if you go to, there's American Reforms Journal. [0:34:13] To unduly exalt one's race, obviously, to take too much pride in what one is, [0:34:19] can be, I think, as American Reformer shows on his blog, offensive to the faith. [0:34:23] But if you read actually what Pius XII said and a lot of the other pre-Vatican II theologians, there seems to be a decent amount of support for that and to say, look, we need to protect our borders. [0:34:34] We need to protect our country and its ethnic and religious makeup. [0:34:37] So, yeah, there's a lot of misrepresentation on this in the post-Vatican II church because what you will hear a lot of times is that, well, just don't be racist. [0:34:46] Well, we need to all get along. [0:34:47] Yes, open borders is not a good thing, but we can be open to multiculturalism, etc. [0:34:53] Now, that's obviously not proven itself to be a good strategy, has it? [0:34:57] The one thing I will say, though, and we need to be careful with, is that although we are of different races, and I trace in my book back to the time of Noah. [0:35:06] There's three sons of Noah, right? Shem, Ham, and Japheth. [0:35:09] This is, of course, where the term Semite comes from. [0:35:11] Jews are not the only Semites, right? Arabs are Semites as well. [0:35:15] Everybody on this panel, as far as I can tell, is a European Japhethite, right? [0:35:19] We are the inheritors in the tents of Shem, as Noah predicted. [0:35:23] So the church has actually been blessed, as Noah said. [0:35:26] He's going to bless and enlarge the house of Japheth. [0:35:28] This is why most popes have been Italians from Europe. [0:35:32] If you want to call it white, I prefer the term Japhethite. [0:35:35] It's a certain particular connection there with Rome and Western civilization. [0:35:39] I like that term better. [0:35:40] We should be able to and actually defend Japhethite culture from those who are not Japhethite. [0:35:46] And Vigano actually touches on this. [0:35:48] Excuse me. [0:35:49] in my interview, and he says, look, Europe is being flooded by new Europeans, [0:35:55] basically due to the work of Semites at the top of the pyramid here. [0:36:00] And he says this is similar to what's happening in the church, [0:36:04] as to how the church is being replaced with, and driving out the old Catholics, [0:36:08] the Latin mass Catholics, and replacing them with heretics and schismatics like Supich and others. [0:36:13] So that's a long answer. I'm not sure I answered your question, [0:36:16] but that's the best I would say at the moment is that we need to reconquer, basically, Europe for the faith [0:36:23] and to know that although we might have differences in our basic makeup and outlook, [0:36:30] I think if everybody was Catholic, you know, if Jews were Catholics, if Semites became Catholic, [0:36:34] if Hamites became Catholic, you know, those overcome our sort of distinct tribalistic differences. [0:36:40] But without it, everyone is left to their worst desires, okay? [0:36:43] And so we just go to our excesses, just like all of us go to our excesses when it comes to our own personal faults. [0:36:50] If we don't have the faith, if we don't have the grace in our life, we're going to fall into those natural sins that we are most inclined to. [0:36:57] And that's what you see, I think, across the world in Hamlet communities, in Semitic communities, etc. [0:37:03] Do you think that there are groups of people that are represented in the Catholic Church? [0:37:09] I always think about Haitians that have such a low collective IQ that they're unable to suppress tribal and racial instincts for a more unifying morality, sense of morality. [0:37:23] Well, I think historically the church has always understood that this is where the gospel actually elevates certain persons and souls. [0:37:29] I mean, if you take the example of what I referred to earlier, Archbishop Lefebvre, right? [0:37:34] He was the founder of this traditional society. [0:37:35] He was the Pope's apostolic delegate to French-speaking Africa in the 1940s and 50s. [0:37:43] And he basically felt it was his duty and obligation to help these souls live more nobler lives and civiler lives than what they had been doing. [0:37:52] And I think so. [0:37:53] And even you can say that with, you know, how it's always, there's always these memes when it comes to Columbus Day, how, you know, the Aztecs were basically committing, you know, kind of cutting people's hearts out. [0:38:04] then, oh no, here comes the far right, right? [0:38:07] With the gospel. [0:38:08] And what has the effect of that been? [0:38:09] Well, it has been to ennoble and to bring these persons [0:38:12] to a standard of living and a way of life [0:38:15] where grace is active. [0:38:17] So I do think that with Scripture and the sacraments, [0:38:20] as Scripture says, [0:38:22] we are neither Greek nor Gentile, Jew nor servant or free. [0:38:25] That's basically an allusion to the fact [0:38:28] that when persons do convert, [0:38:30] if they have the faith and maintain the faith, [0:38:32] they can live moral, ethical lives. [0:38:34] And this is, I think, historically why colonialism was such that it was. [0:38:38] It was meant to uplift and not to just, as we see now, leave people in destitution and to say, okay, just celebrate Aboriginal Pride Day or whatever Pachamama thing down in Brazil, right? [0:38:49] Which is unfortunately what the Vatican II Church is promoting and saying, just celebrate your Aboriginal culture. [0:38:56] Well, what's to celebrate if you don't have the faith? [0:38:59] So, yeah, there's this this quote here that American Reform posted talking about how the church is too wise to discourage or belittle those peculiarities or differences which mark out one nation from another. [0:39:10] It is quite legitimate for nations to treat those differences as a sacred inheritance and to guard them at all costs. [0:39:18] So no race mixing. Every nation has its own genius, its own qualities springing from the hidden roots of its being, [0:39:25] the wise development, the encouragement within limits of that genius, those qualities does no [0:39:31] harm. And if a nation cares to take precautions to lay down rules for that end, it has the church's [0:39:38] approval. I haven't heard a Pope talk like that in a very, very long time. We can only hope. [0:39:44] Yeah, I know, right? So that kind of brings us to, you know, you mentioned Lefebvre, [0:39:51] Archbishop Lefebvre, of course, he founded this group, the Society of St. Pius X in the 1970s, [0:39:57] in order to guard against the modernist reforms, the new liturgy, these new doctrines, [0:40:08] which I was listening to, was it Mac Aspers the other day? It's really interesting. If you want [0:40:15] to get like super autistic about uh the church and all this stuff there was a document produced [0:40:21] in the mid-1800s called uh pastor eternus uh by pope pius ix which lays out when a pope can be [0:40:31] infallible right because there's a lot of misunderstanding about that i think uh you know [0:40:36] a pope is not if he if he gives like a recommendation for what kind of toothpaste uh that's not [0:40:42] infallible. You know, if the Pope says, well, I like Pop-Tarts, like that's not an infallible [0:40:47] statement. There's a criteria for that. And in the document defining when a Pope can be infallible, [0:40:53] it says that the Holy Ghost was not given to the successors of Peter to make known new doctrines, [0:40:59] but to saintly safeguard and faithfully expound in the same sense in the same judgment, [0:41:04] what the church has always taught and believed. But in 1988, when Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated [0:41:11] bishops, four bishops, Bishop Williamson being one of them, there was a document that he put out [0:41:16] called Ecclesia Dei Afflecta, where he specifically says that Vatican II taught new doctrines. [0:41:25] So can you expound on that a little bit? What does that mean for us lay people? And then maybe [0:41:34] we'll get a little bit into this announcement this past week that the Society of St. Pius X is going [0:41:39] to be consecrating more bishops. [0:41:43] Yeah, so back to what I said earlier, [0:41:44] there has been a debate among, [0:41:47] and it is still a debate, [0:41:49] the Church itself, per se, [0:41:51] has not settled this. [0:41:53] What happens to the Church qua Church [0:41:56] when there are high-ranking officials, [0:41:59] including the man who people revere [0:42:01] and call the Pope, [0:42:03] when he is teaching and saying things [0:42:05] in encyclical letters in his sermons [0:42:07] and is approving documents and instructing clergy to also follow him [0:42:13] that are objectively at odds with the church's traditional teachings before Vatican II. [0:42:19] What happens? [0:42:20] Does that mean they are no longer representatives of the church? [0:42:24] Do they fall from their office ipso facto? [0:42:27] Okay, does that make them heretics? [0:42:28] To what extent are they a heretic? [0:42:29] Are they a formal heretic? [0:42:31] Are they a material heretic? [0:42:33] Are they practicing a new religion? [0:42:36] I have been trying to have guests on my program. [0:42:38] I've had on several what are called Sede Vacantist clergy who argue that the changes in the church's teachings constitute a new religion, [0:42:48] given that the changes are so ubiquitous and so in-depth and so contrary, [0:42:55] and that this violates what the church is teaching on the infallibility of a pope has been. [0:43:00] And so their argument is that when it comes to faith and morals, the Pope has been given a protection that means never can he positively teach and present error or something that would lead Catholics astray or out of the faith or endanger their souls. [0:43:17] And that seems to me to be the prevailing opinion of what I'm finding—again, I'm still looking at some of this myself—of most theologians when it comes to how the papacy is actually preserved. [0:43:31] Now, what others will argue, and what Atsus Piax and Archbishop Lefebvre argued, is that, well, there are times when he is not protected, and that there is a limited situation where it means that he is able to put forward doctrines and teachings that are contrary, because, again, he's not protected. [0:43:50] So this has created sort of a dilemma between different traditional Catholics who will debate this and try to interpret scholars who have written about it in the Church's Middle Ages. [0:44:01] So take, for instance, St. Charles Barameo, St. Alphonsus de la Guarie, who is a hero of mine. I wrote a book about him. [0:44:08] And really what it kind of comes down to is, you know, is the Church the Bride of Christ? How can it lead us astray? [0:44:14] And without getting further into the weeds here, basically what we're seeing now is that we're at a point where I don't think anyone can really say that what is being taught and done today is Catholic. [0:44:27] I mean, would you entrust your child's daycare or your Sunday school teaching to Leo or Francis or any of the other Vatican II high-ranking clergy? [0:44:38] I wouldn't. [0:44:40] And that, I think, speaks volumes about the nature of the crisis. [0:44:42] So what do we do? [0:44:44] It seems to me that the response, obviously, all of these clergy will do is to say, we need to provide for ourselves. [0:44:51] It's basically like a group of children whose dads run off and he's not home. [0:44:56] And so you have sibling rivalries and they're trying to, you know, some get more intense with one another. [0:45:02] But broadly speaking, the best I can answer you, Dave, is that there's different views on that. [0:45:06] And I'm still working through it personally myself. [0:45:08] But it seems that, hey, if this is the Pope and he's telling you to do this or that, [0:45:13] generally, historically, the church has said to obey that. [0:45:15] But now that we have a guy in white who's teaching things that are so contrary [0:45:18] to what the church's traditional teachings have always been, [0:45:21] that's throwing a big wrench into things. [0:45:23] And so you're seeing differences of opinion on that. [0:45:26] And you're going to continue to see that happen because only the Pope can confirm us in the faith. [0:45:33] He's the only one in the church who has the answer. [0:45:36] And right now, he doesn't have the answers. [0:45:37] So, you know, until then, my attitude has always been charity towards everybody and try to be as open to discussions to different persons. [0:45:47] And you saw this last week, Friday, Dave, on the show. [0:45:49] Yeah, sometimes those discussions can get pretty intense. [0:45:52] Yeah, we're going to I don't know if we're going to do another show this week. [0:45:57] It'll be interesting. [0:45:58] But yeah, so, I mean, you know, this is kicking up new dust. [0:46:02] this group, the Society of St. Pius X, they have announced, that's their General Superior [0:46:08] Father, David Pagliarani, they've announced that they're going to be consecrating new [0:46:13] bishops on July 1st. [0:46:16] And the Vatican has announced that they are summoning the leaders of the SSPX to come [0:46:24] in for a meeting with this guy, that is Archbishop Tuco Fernandez, the author. [0:46:31] author of the book [0:46:33] Heal Me With Your Mouth [0:46:35] which is about [0:46:37] yeah you haven't heard about this [0:46:39] let me pull up [0:46:41] Vigano calls him a pornographer [0:46:46] that's all you need to know about him [0:46:48] basically so The Art of Kissing [0:46:50] Heal Me With Your Mouth [0:46:52] by Archbishop [0:46:54] Tuco Fernandez [0:46:56] this is real [0:46:58] this is like where we're at [0:47:00] This is why I at least am like, hey, there's a crisis. [0:47:05] There's something deeply wrong going on in the church. [0:47:08] But he's just talking about kissing, right? [0:47:12] I haven't read the book. [0:47:13] I'm not going to read that book. [0:47:14] Are you kidding me? [0:47:15] Take one for the team here. [0:47:16] Read it. [0:47:17] And so there's going to be, I guess, a meeting. [0:47:22] Let me also pull up here. [0:47:24] I'm not going to play the whole thing. [0:47:26] But there was a sermon that was released within the last 24 hours. [0:47:30] by his excellency bishop bernard fillet he was the superior general of the society of saint [0:47:35] pious attend for a while uh basically explaining you know how there is a state of necessity in this [0:47:41] he announced that both he uh and the other bishop uh bishop de gallaretta are going to be going to [0:47:49] meet uh with tuco fernandez so can you give like a little bit of an overview of what's what we're [0:47:57] seeing here. Oh my God. Yeah. So the society has been one of those bulwarks of defending the [0:48:02] traditional faith again for, since the council, right? And they did this once before in 1988 [0:48:08] and incurred what was so-called excommunication automatically, right? This was a schismatic act [0:48:14] against the wishes of John Paul. And it's been almost 40 years now and the society's bishops, [0:48:18] original bishops, two of them have died. The remaining two are getting older. And they're [0:48:23] saying, look, we need to do this again because we need to provide for our faithful and to [0:48:27] ordain more priests because you can't have priests without bishops. And it just so happens that [0:48:33] over the last 15 years or so, Bishop Follet, who is the head bishop of the society, has been trying [0:48:38] to work out an arrangement with the Vatican to make sure that the society can be free to teach [0:48:43] traditional doctrines, offer the Latin Mass, etc. Now, that rankled a few of the more hardliner [0:48:48] conservatives within the SSPX, and that caused basically a split in 2012 with then Bishop [0:48:55] Williamson, who went on to have an affiliation with what the resistance is called. [0:49:01] And now what we're seeing is that Bishop Follet and the surviving members of SSPX are saying, [0:49:07] well, we need to do this again. [0:49:08] And so they said, look, we've had enough talk with you all. [0:49:12] You're not making us any concessions here on doctrine, and we're going to do this again. [0:49:18] And so you're going to see a meeting this Thursday, February 12th. [0:49:21] It's going to involve the top three officials. [0:49:23] So I've heard Bishop Follet, Bishop de Gallereta. [0:49:26] He's another of the SSPX bishops. [0:49:28] And then the head guy, Father Pagliarani, is going to meet with Tuchel Kissi Fernandez. [0:49:33] This is the nickname that they give him. [0:49:35] And they're going to talk about doctrine, hopefully not romanticism and things like that. [0:49:39] But they're going to talk about doctrine. [0:49:41] And it's probably going to go as badly as it's gone for the last several years. [0:49:45] Fernandez is going to say, look, you have to accept Vatican II. [0:49:50] And they're going to say, well, you really can't do that. [0:49:53] And so I don't think it's going to go pretty. [0:49:55] And I hope it actually doesn't go very well, because I think Archbishop Lefebvre, where he alive today, [0:50:01] he would condemn and rebuke those in the Vatican, as Archbishop Vigano has, [0:50:06] and call out the global deep state, which I wish the SSPX, honestly, would do a little bit more of these days. [0:50:12] And so we'll see if that leads to punishment similar to what they had in 1988 with the so-called excommunications. [0:50:19] But will that actually mean anything? [0:50:21] If you're getting excommunicated from a guy who writes books about kissing, who says he's a cardinal, what does that actually mean? [0:50:27] I mean, if I was a saint, the saints of the past would not care about these things. [0:50:30] So I almost am rooting for a confrontational meeting. [0:50:35] I think that's what Archbishop Lefebvre would do. [0:50:37] I think that's what we are owed against this conciliar imposter church that's siding with the global deep state and the Jeffrey Epstein's of the world. [0:50:44] But we'll see. [0:50:45] I mean, we'll know fairly soon because, you know, July is right around the corner. [0:50:48] So I don't know if, Dave, you're going to go there or not. [0:50:51] Fly over to Switzerland to check these out. [0:50:54] But it'd be cool to go there. [0:50:55] Yeah. [0:50:55] Well, I mean, I heard a rumor. [0:50:57] So, you know, I've got a friend who's a cloistered nun. [0:51:00] And I got word through her parents. [0:51:04] And, of course, it's like you're in a cloister. [0:51:06] like you're literally like separated and segregated away from the world how would you know anything [0:51:12] but according to her you know three months ago she said that there were going to be consecrations [0:51:17] and that they were going to happen in the United States so I don't know if that's true or not uh [0:51:25] there's a big church that they just built down in Kansas um so I don't know I don't know if maybe [0:51:30] they're going to have two separate maybe they'll have Gallaretta over in Econ and how do you have [0:51:35] over here. Oh, dude, I, you have no idea. I do know. Cause I all know the same cloistered nun [0:51:41] that you know. Uh, but yeah, so I don't know. Uh, is it going to happen in Econ? Is it going [0:51:47] to happen at the new like, uh, mega church that they built in Kansas? Uh, we have yet to get to [0:51:53] hear, I guess, where this is going to be happening. Uh, but yeah, I'm planning on going, uh, I'm [0:51:58] booking a trip to Europe. Uh, I'm going to go to this thing. It's going to be crazy. Um, I mean, [0:52:04] it's a once in a life. I mean, this hasn't happened in my lifetime. You know, the last [0:52:08] time that this happened, like we were showing the pictures on the screen was 1988. Uh, so I was [0:52:13] not alive. Uh, sometimes I feel old and sometimes I feel young. I don't know, but, uh, anyway. [0:52:20] All right. Well, let's see. Uh, let's see. I think we might have a couple of super chats. [0:52:26] I had one over here. Uh, let's see. This is from anonymous who sent $5. My cousin tried to become [0:52:31] a Catholic priest. He said the Vatican is run by a bunch of homos and liberals. Super corrupted, [0:52:36] vile place. Not surprising to hear Epstein had an apartment at the Vatican. Stephen, can you [0:52:43] actually talk about that? There was a document that was going around that said that Epstein [0:52:46] lived in the Vatican during the reign of Pope John Paul II. Is that true? [0:52:53] Yeah, it's another one that I haven't been up to speed on that. I did watch another influencer [0:52:58] who commentated on that, whose opinion I'm [0:53:00] fairly convinced is probably [0:53:02] right. He said no. There might [0:53:04] have been, at a certain time, [0:53:06] potential renting of [0:53:08] something. He never lived there. He had like six [0:53:10] properties across the world elsewhere. [0:53:12] I don't think that's true, but [0:53:14] do your own research. But as far as the point about [0:53:16] the Vatican being run by [0:53:17] the other names that he mentioned there, [0:53:20] that's obviously true. But [0:53:22] yeah, I mean, look, Epstein, the guy [0:53:24] is a snake and he wormed his way into everything. [0:53:26] And as we know, the church has been infiltrated since Vatican II. [0:53:29] So obviously he's going to have a pass to go and meet with these guys. [0:53:32] But was he living there? [0:53:34] I have to do my research personally, but I don't think he was. [0:53:38] Yeah, I'm trying to find the actual document. [0:53:40] It was like from his interior designer. [0:53:42] Good Lord. [0:53:44] Going back and forth with somebody else about trying to get like columns put in at Epstein's house. [0:53:52] It was something like really, really weird. [0:53:56] Here, I've got one over on my YouTube channel. This is Northern Observer. A really good explanation for the SSPX reasoning can be found on their YouTube channels, Crisis in the Church series. It's 52 episode deep dive from Alaska. God bless. Thank you so much. [0:54:10] Nice. Yes, that is a very good series. You should, if you're interested in this, definitely check that out. Yeah, where is, no, no, no, that's not it. I'm not going to be able to find this, am I? It's like lost in the, I found it. I found it. Yeah, here it is. [0:54:26] So this was between Brandon Thompson and Richard Kahn saying, you know, we had a short conversation, but he wants me to finish each column different as when he was living with Pope John Paul II in the Vatican. [0:54:39] He looked at a variety of different columns captured in wars. [0:54:42] He told me that every pope demanded to have a column from every conquered country so that there is a collection of different columns in the Vatican. [0:54:51] I mean, you know. [0:54:53] I like that idea. [0:54:54] Conquering a country and just taking their columns. [0:54:57] Take their stuff. [0:54:59] Not a bad idea. [0:55:00] Based, very based, back when the church used to be based. [0:55:03] No, it still is. [0:55:05] Let's see. [0:55:06] Anonymous sent $10. [0:55:07] Do you believe black people or non-whites have a soul? [0:55:11] You talk about them like insects, [0:55:14] and they do not even have the right to salvation or hope of a higher morality. [0:55:19] Is this for me? [0:55:19] Apparently. [0:55:20] Oh, yes, of course. [0:55:23] I'm not a white supremacist. I'm a white nationalist. I believe that all people have [0:55:28] souls. I had a conversation with AA last month and a few other people. I think Jolly Heretic [0:55:35] will discuss this, but as is evidenced by the belief that you should, that abortions in the [0:55:43] black community are a positive development for society. I don't believe that. I mean, [0:55:46] They're innocent children with souls. [0:55:50] But fundamentally, do I believe we can coexist in a multiracial society? [0:55:55] No. [0:55:56] Even under the big tent theory of Catholicism, I think that it's a virtual impossibility. [0:56:03] So, you know, I advocate for some semblance of self-segregation. [0:56:09] And I think that people should be able to determine their own will. [0:56:12] But I don't think that minorities don't have souls. [0:56:14] I'm not a monster for God's sake. [0:56:17] You know, and there's something interesting too that people don't really talk about that [0:56:21] happened in the American church and it didn't happen anywhere else in the American Catholic [0:56:25] church that is. [0:56:27] And that is the ethnic parish. [0:56:29] Yeah. [0:56:29] You know, there was a period of time in like Philadelphia when, you know, there would be [0:56:35] like a German congregation and then the diocese would like appoint like an Irish priest to [0:56:42] be their parish priest. [0:56:43] and like the Germans would like riot. [0:56:46] They would like riot and like, you know, almost burn down the church. [0:56:51] And so at a certain point they figured out, okay, okay, hold on. [0:56:55] We've got to have, you know, we'll have a German parish. [0:56:58] We'll have an Irish parish, a French parish, you know, [0:57:01] and we'll give them pastors that are like of their same racial group to lead them [0:57:08] because it wasn't working. [0:57:10] People were pissed. [0:57:11] And it's just like, it's one of those like points of wisdom that I feel like it's been lost. [0:57:17] And also like something has kind of happened since Vatican II where, you know, instead of it, like in the old world, there would be the parish, which was a fixed geography where like if you lived within a mile of this church, you went to that church. [0:57:32] in America that got broken up for the ethnic parish and since Vatican II the ethnic parish [0:57:39] has kind of given way to an ideological parish where for example here in Coeur d'Alene if you're [0:57:44] liberal you go to Saint Pius X the Saint Pius X if you are conservative you go to Saint Thomas [0:57:51] if you're a traditionalist you go to Saint Jones and these are more ideological distinctions as [0:57:57] opposed to, you know, racial or ethnic distinctions. It's, it's, it's a mess. It's an absolute mess. [0:58:03] But, uh, do you think Steve, what would, what would a resolution to this crisis look like? [0:58:11] Like how will we, I guess, maybe not like the mechanism for how we get there, but like, [0:58:15] how will we know when the crisis is resolved, I guess? [0:58:20] Yeah. Um, well, I've asked that of various clergy who have thought about this for a very long time. [0:58:25] And I think the short answer is when the documents of Vatican II are burned in St. Peter's Square. [0:58:31] And that's a very far, long way away, as far as I can tell. [0:58:34] But I think the short answer is, look, there's been—I mean, it's hard to say. [0:58:40] So you have a lot of people, I think, of goodwill who see, broadly speaking, the situation in the church is bad, right? [0:58:46] We have homosexual clergy. [0:58:48] We have irreverent liturgies. [0:58:50] Even people who go to, as Rekha said, the Novosorto can even understand this, right? [0:58:54] But what needs to happen ultimately is that the authorities need to marry their authority to the traditional doctrines. [0:59:03] And basically that means we will know this crisis is over when the Church's traditional teachings on religious liberty, on Christ as king, on the Jews, on non-Catholics, is being preached from the pulpits of the archbishops, cardinals, and the Pope once again in the Vatican. [0:59:22] And, you know, is that going to happen tomorrow? [0:59:25] None of us have a crystal ball, but there are some clergy out there who are saying, [0:59:28] well, these are certain clergy who are saying, we're getting closer to that. [0:59:33] Maybe, you know, God might have mercy on us now that it's almost 70 years after Vatican II. [0:59:38] The longest time in the church's history where, you know, God sort of punished his people [0:59:42] was with the Babylonian captivity in the Old Testament. [0:59:45] That was 70 years. [0:59:46] 40 years was when Moses wandered the desert. [0:59:49] We were far past that with Vatican II. [0:59:51] So you have to wonder how much more justice God is going to extract on us. [0:59:56] And so I think, you know, we just need to beg and really hope that he answers our prayers. [1:00:01] And obviously, in the meantime, work to build, as you guys are all doing here, the counter-revolutionary movement so that when that restoration happens, you know, the infrastructure is there and ready to go. [1:00:11] So I think that's what a lot of people are doing. [1:00:13] And right now, especially since Leo, there's a lot of other traditionalists like myself who are unwilling to go along with the program and to still call out what he's doing, because there's no there's no daylight between him and Francis before him. [1:00:26] It's just another face wearing fancy vestments. [1:00:29] And but the agenda of the revolution continues on. [1:00:33] Yeah, well, definitely check out Stephen's work. [1:00:36] He's got a great book. [1:00:38] Highly recommend it. [1:00:39] Navigating the crisis in the church essays in defense of traditional Catholicism. [1:00:44] He also runs a sub stack. [1:00:47] Oops, let's go back to the main sub stack. [1:00:49] This is Coxnews.substack.com. [1:00:54] He's got a YouTube channel and he's on X. [1:00:56] So please shoot him a follow if you are into this sort of stuff. [1:01:01] if you want to keep up with weird trad cat news, [1:01:05] Steve's your guy. [1:01:07] So thank you so much for joining us today. [1:01:09] Thanks for having me. [1:01:10] Nice meeting you guys. [1:01:11] Bye-bye. [1:01:11] Very good. [1:01:12] Awesome. [1:01:13] That's been in the works for like such a long time. [1:01:15] Back when Vince was on the show, [1:01:17] we were going to have him on. [1:01:18] Oh, really? [1:01:19] And there was all kinds of stuff going on [1:01:21] with LifeSite News. [1:01:24] He wasn't allowed to go and do interviews. [1:01:29] Then he must be saying something. [1:01:30] Yeah, really happy to finally be able to get him on the show. [1:01:33] And in spite of all the technical difficulties. [1:01:36] We've got to give... [1:01:37] I missed the chat on my channel. [1:01:38] Damn, damn. [1:01:39] Dave, what do you and Stephen think about the apparitions of Garibondal? [1:01:43] Ooh, I like them. [1:01:45] I think that they're super interesting. [1:01:48] Bishop Williamson also liked the apparitions. [1:01:52] He went and did a study, I think, actually before he was ordained. [1:01:56] he went and like lived in Spain and talked with the families that saw Our Lady and the people in [1:02:02] the town and basically that was an apparition saying that there was going to be like a you know [1:02:08] third world war total catastrophe the the living will envy the dead and that Our Lady was going to [1:02:16] come and you know protect and tell one of the seers I guess before the crisis really breaks out [1:02:23] and the woman who saw the Blessed Virgin Mary [1:02:27] in that apparition lives in Long Island now. [1:02:30] Oh, I've heard about this before. [1:02:32] She's still alive. [1:02:34] Sounds like bullshit. [1:02:36] Could be, don't know. [1:02:37] One just came in from Reinhardt. [1:02:39] These apparitions, if you're going around [1:02:42] and chasing prophecy and you're chasing [1:02:45] after all of this sensational stuff. [1:02:48] Yeah. [1:02:49] If you've seen it in Toast, I don't believe you. [1:02:52] Toast? What's toast? [1:02:53] You know, they're, have you? [1:02:55] Oh, right, right, right. [1:02:56] Like somebody like makes toast in the morning [1:02:59] and like sees the face of like Jesus like in the toast. [1:03:02] Yeah, I don't know about that. [1:03:03] That sounds. [1:03:04] We have a few more that came through. [1:03:06] I have Northern Observer. [1:03:07] Thank you so much. [1:03:08] The only option for the TLM in Alaska is SSPX. [1:03:10] My wife and I were baptized by an SSPX priest. [1:03:13] Here the diocese is hostile to TLM. [1:03:16] I'm grateful for the SSPX. [1:03:17] Otherwise, all I'd have is the modernist mass. [1:03:21] Yeah, you know, it's wild because there have been people that I've sent, and I said this on the podcast I did with these guys on Friday, I've sent people to the church. [1:03:32] The two of us have talked and they're like, I want to be Catholic. [1:03:36] And I'm like, oh, okay, we'll go to your Catholic church and tell them that you want to be baptized. [1:03:40] They'll show up and the priest at the church will say, oh, you don't need to be baptized. [1:03:44] You're fine the way you are. [1:03:46] You're good. [1:03:47] Just keep doing you. [1:03:48] What? [1:03:48] And it's like, excuse me? [1:03:50] and so it's you know people you know they'll call me a schismatic and and all of this stuff and it's [1:03:55] like no i'm not trying to be schismatic i'm not trying to like you know uh you know hold some [1:04:01] sort of like attitude towards the vatican that's like you know anti-catholic or something i just [1:04:06] like i want people to actually be able to get the sacraments get baptized and if the novus ordo [1:04:13] church is telling them that they don't need to be baptized that they don't need that is incorrect [1:04:19] That's crazy. And so the SSPX, you know, if you go to them, they will they'll help you. [1:04:25] So, yeah. Tomahawk sent ten dollars. I can no longer attend mass at the church I grew up with because they're all in Spanish now. [1:04:33] Oh, my gosh. Yep. And this has been happening because since Vatican II, since the church has stopped preaching the faith, [1:04:40] the American church has become dependent on things and things like Catholic charities, [1:04:45] money laundering operations from the government where the government will pay the churches to [1:04:51] rehouse migrants because the white people are no longer showing up to mass. They're no longer [1:04:57] donating on Sunday. And so the Catholic church is no longer beholden to, you know, people tithing. [1:05:04] They're beholden to the government and the government wants to flood this country [1:05:08] with migrants. So, you know, there are problems, deep problems. [1:05:14] Reinhard sent $50. [1:05:18] I have come around to the perspective that Jews do not possess human souls at all. [1:05:24] Rather, they are corporeal vessels for demonic entities that have always existed. [1:05:29] That's why they carry such a visceral hatred of Christ even 2,000 years later. [1:05:35] That is absolutely legitimate perspective. [1:05:39] And he's not being facetious. [1:05:41] And I think that there's an argument to be made against trying to convert Jews. [1:05:46] Look at this. Look at this. [1:05:48] You probably haven't heard of Rabbi Frederick Ephraim Karp, [1:05:52] but he reportedly raped a seven-year-old girl and her sisters in New York [1:05:56] over a five-year period from 2009 to 2014. [1:06:01] When police caught up to Karp, he was trying to board a plane to Israel. [1:06:07] Yeah, this stuff happened. [1:06:09] And it's been happening, as we pulled up earlier, St. Simon of Trent. [1:06:14] This has been happening for hundreds of years. [1:06:18] They have been conducting blood sacrifice. [1:06:22] Look at this statue. [1:06:25] Why would anybody make this other than it happened [1:06:28] and they're trying to warn people in the future [1:06:33] about what these people are doing? [1:06:36] It's unbelievable. [1:06:37] the winged hussar sent $10 [1:06:40] thank you for the big super chat [1:06:42] I believe we are reaching a point that Christ himself [1:06:45] will have to step in it's only a matter [1:06:46] of the faithful waiting on the Lord [1:06:48] and giving up don't give up [1:06:50] but yeah we do need like a [1:06:53] meteorite or some sort of solar flare [1:06:54] I think at this point that'd be nice [1:06:57] I don't think [1:06:59] I don't think anyone's coming for us guys [1:07:01] three days of darkness I don't know [1:07:03] alright well [1:07:05] yeah alright well I guess get your last [1:07:07] minute super chats and we do have to give a big shout out and a big thank you to our sponsors [1:07:11] uh above time coffee they are purveyors of fine hand roasted small batch premium white positive [1:07:20] coffee they like white people and white people like them uh they've got the blonde roast the [1:07:25] nordic blonde roast that's what i've been drinking i think eventually we're gonna maybe like expand [1:07:31] out and get some of that medium roast that looks looks pretty good but uh you can go to their [1:07:36] website, abovetimecoffee.com. 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