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Episode 109 ? The "Hyphenated Heresy" Exposed_
Judeo-Christianity Destroyed with J.D. Hall
0:02:30 Rebecca
Welcome to the backlash. I am your host Rebecca Hargraves joined as always by
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0:02:53 Dave
How you doing Dave? I'm doing great. How are you?
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Really well rested and it's actually making me want to punch you in the face.
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It's great. Yeah, no, I instead of you know, scrolling, doom scrolling, what is going
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0:05:58 Rebecca
Today we welcome JD Hall. Do you want to do the intro? I can do the intro. That
sounds really
0:06:03 Dave
lovely. JD Hall is an author, a polemicist, a former pastor. He was the founder of
Pulpit and Pen, which is now protestia. You might have seen some of these videos
going around on social media of like crazy Protestants, like the little drummer boy
thing where they've got them on wires getting flown in. Anyway, does a really great
job of exposing some of the crazier, crazier deviations from biblical Christianity. He
is the co-author of the new book, The Hyphenated Heresy. He is a sharp voice
here for reformed theology, cultural commentary. JD joins us to discuss all of this
and more. This is his new book, The Hyphenated Heresy. We have a link to buy
the book in the show notes down below. So JD, thank you so much for joining us.
No, no, Adia. I got it. It's my fault. That was my fault. Go ahead. Sorry. I said it is
good to be with you, brother. Thank you very much. Yeah, this is actually the
second interview that we're doing with JD on the program. Let me see if I can
quickly get to the original one that we did a couple of months ago on one of my little
Dave After Dark episodes. It was very well received. We've got a whole playlist
over on YouTube. But yeah, the heresy of dispensationalism, how Christians
betrayed Christ with JD Hall. So that is up on our YouTube and our Rumble
channel. So you might want to go check that out if you missed it. But if you have
missed it,
0:07:40 Rebecca
can you tell us a little bit about what sparked your interest in exploring this concept
of Judeo Christian, which I hear all the time, even in right wing circles, I hear
people say that. I'm like, no, that these values are something potentially
problematic. And how did that lead to the collaboration that you did with this book?
Yeah, great question. So I mean, it's nothing new.
0:08:03 Dave
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I've been a polemicist for a long time, meaning that the area of expertise and
theology that I've dedicated myself to over the years is polemical theology.
Apologetics is usually considered defending the faith to those who are outside the
faith. Polemics is defending the faith from those who claim to have your faith. And
so with Judaism, or rabbinic Judaism in particular, it's a little bit of a mix of both,
because obviously they don't claim Christ, right? They reject Christ. That's kind of
the central purpose of their religion, which was created specifically for the purpose
of being oppositional to Christianity. A lot of people confuse it with actual biblical
Judaism, but that's not been a thing for a couple thousand years. However,
Christians are too often under the misunderstanding that the faith that they practice
is the faith of the Old Testament, that they're basically Abrahamic Jews minus
Jesus. And so I've talked about this issue for a long time. I probably read my first
book on Messianic Judaism 15 years ago, if I had to guess. And then I had done a
lot of polemical work on the Hebrew roots movement, which is similar. It's a form of
Judaism, essentially, the ancient heresy in the Bible. I would say probably the
number one bugbear of the apostles in the New Testament would be the heresy of
Judaism. And it's a spin-off of that. But about seven or eight years ago, I would say
seven, probably. I actually had a member of what is called the 12 tribes.
Sometimes they're called the
0:10:03 Cameron
cult of the Yellow Delhi, actually infiltrate my church, pretend to be like-minded. He
was sent
0:10:12 Dave
from one of their cell groups in Colorado to my church, moved him there for that
purpose, joined, took part in the fellowship, and then set about to kill my family.
They literally put a hit on him. Yeah, he was stopped in the nick of time. I was out of
town when it happened. We think that his goal was to go down in a gunfight with
me. He actually, he texted and he's like, I'm coming for you. And I'm six hours away
from home at that point, six and a half. And so I call my wife, I'm like, leave right
now. She ended up like she lost her keys. It was a terrible panic. I said, go to the
armory in the backyard, in the backyard, grab any gun that are all loaded and shoot
whoever comes through the door. It was that chaotic an experience. While the
police eventually arrested him, I've got the longest restraining order in state history
against him. And he was sent by their leader who died just a couple years ago
named Eugene Spriggs. You can find documentaries about the cult of the Yellow
Deli or the 12 tribes cult, you know, 60 minutes has done an expose, stuff like that.
And so that's when I really thought if these psychopaths want to kill me, what
exactly do they believe? And so that's when I really threw myself into studying the
subject, in particular, the difference between rabbinic or Talmudic Judaism, which
represents well over 99% of practicing Jews on the face of the planet. And the Old
Testament faith that we see in the pages of the Holy Bible, because it's not the real
thing. It's a counterfeit, and it's a cheap one. True. You know, and it's funny, we
talked about that, the hit that got put out on you, after we finished up our interview
last go around, that didn't make the cut. But it's crazy to me because I've been
dealing with some wild stuff up here with certain people, specifically this guy, Matt
Blatt, Richard Matt Blatt, we believe that he is the owner of the Spokane Zionists
Twitter account. And he's been, you know, defaming us and trying to get us
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canceled and trying to, you know, get the FBI to come in on us. But this guy, he
used to work for Booz Allen Hamilton, this is his resume. He was an associate at
Booz Allen Hamilton. He did PSYOps for the military, he was the psychological
operations advisor. And it was just kind of crazy to me when you told me this, that
they were so upset with your work that they literally sent someone out to do a hit on
you. I'm like, geez, where have I heard that before? And I've been feeling like a
crazy person for the past couple of years with this stuff. And it's like, oh, no, no, no,
they really do that. And, you know, the Zionists of both stripes, Christian Zionists
and Jewish Zionists, are really interested at that granular level of the at the county
level. They're not just doing APAC stuff in Washington DC. They're not just
concerned with the federal government. When I ran for school board and the
Jerusalem Post and Herets and the Daily Forward came out, and then this guy
moved up here six months later and has been like stalking me and you ever since.
It's just, I'd never heard of anything like that before until I heard your story. So
anyway, it was kind of validating on my part. I was like, oh, I guess I'm not actually
crazy. Wow, they do this.
0:14:00 Cameron
So, at insight to insight, I've done now four or five exposés on the very
sophisticated foreign
0:14:07 Dave
influence operation that Israel is running inside the United States for the purpose of
infiltrating Christian churches and indoctrinating us in an Israeli first, you know,
sentimentality. Basically, I call it, you know, religious interference. And it is
sophisticated more so than you could imagine. It's to the tune of hundreds of
millions of dollars that they spend on an annual basis to assure that the United
States sees itself as a protectorate for the nation of Israel. And if they have to twist
and subvert another religion, no, that's no problem. That's what they do. And so,
you know, I have no doubts that there are elements of the Israeli government that
are right now inside American evangelical churches, claiming to be Christians for
the purpose of subverting it. I mean, these are people, one of the things that I
revealed, and I don't want to take credit for breaking that story. I just got further
down into it than most people. I went further into the rabbit hole on it, but the geo
fencing operation within American churches, what that showed was their level of
sophistication and the detail with which they carry out their plans, where they know
who the 200 most influential churches are. And they have a plan to reach the
people inside those churches because the state of Israel holds on by a thread.
Overall, in terms of geopolitics, it is the dumbest plan in human history to mass
migrate Europeans with no roots or ties to the Levant to put them into Palestine
and then expect that to go well. And so, they hang on by a thread. The only thing
that keeps them alive is the United States. We are the very thing that is keeping
them from being driven out from the river to the sea. And the support that they
have in the United States is hanging on by a thread and it's held by American
evangelicals. And so, right now, what you're seeing in this huge Christian Zionist
push is because it's for one reason. And a lot of people aren't onto this. Even savvy
folks that understand in terms of intelligence what's going on, they don't
understand the reason this is happening. And it's because the cameras are about
ready to roll into Gaza. They know that when the journalists and the cameras roll in
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and are allowed to start digging, exactly how many baby corpses they're going to
find in the sand. And so, they are getting ahead of it as much as possible. That's
also why they're delaying they're delaying it. They're throwing wrenches in that
so-called peace process every chance they get because they've got more work to
do in terms of what they call quote unquote public diplomacy in the United States to
brace us from what we're going to see in Gaza. So, I would just encourage people
to check out Insight to Insight. And I give the names of both the American
evangelical leaders, the churches, and the 501c3 organizations that are on the
take from the nation of Israel, in particular, the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
You know, and it's incredible because we've been doing some of this exposing or
whatever. If you go and watch those Dave After Dark videos that I've got up, one of
these churches exists here in North Idaho, and they have been very active in
getting involved politically in subverting the local political process. We're talking, of
course, about candlelight Christian fellowship. There is an interesting ex-account
that I definitely recommend everybody check out. It is called, where did it go? It is
called Candle Dark Truth. Where did it go? I just had it up a second ago. Yeah,
here it is. Candle Dark Truth. And these guys have been doing an excellent job of
exposing all of the people that work for the Zionist church. They're essentially an
outpost of the IDF. They bring in former Mossad. They bring in people that were
involved in the Israeli Defense Forces, specifically a guy named Amir Sarfati, who
was like a colonel in the IDF. And it's recently come out, thanks to, there was
another local podcaster up here, Dan Wilson. And he got audio of Paul Van Noy,
the lead pastor, the guy who declared himself a prophet at the pulpit, where he
admitted that he allegedly sexually abused his neighbor's daughter. And then his
own daughter was sexually abused, and he covered that up. And now it's coming
out that like their youth pastor has felons in their youth groups. I mean, it's really
crazy. And it's all in a part of this effort to ensure that the American right wing stays
in this little Israel box. And what nobody's really talking about is that this, it could be
a crime. There's something called transnational repression, which this is actually
the FBI's website. When foreign governments reach beyond their borders to
intimidate, silence, coerce, harass or harm members, and exile communities in the
United States, that is transnational repression. So if you look even further on this
website, it shows exactly the kind of things that they'll do, stalking, online
disinformation campaigns, harassment, intimidation, threats, forcing or coercing
the victim to return to their country of origin, threatening or detaining family
members and friends, cyber hacking, assault, attempted kidnapping, attempted
murder, like in the case with JD. And who was targeted? Political and human rights
activists, dissidents, journalists, political opponents, and religious or ethnic
0:20:51 Rebecca
minority groups. But what's the end game here? I mean, they have to understand
that subversion is not going to work because of this emergence of an anti Zionist
philosophy amongst total normies. They know that threats aren't going to work,
especially on the local level. So really, what is the end game here? Because this is
not going to be a stronghold for domestic pro Zionist policy. It's just this faction of
evangelical Christians that are really hanging on.
0:21:20 Dave
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Well, in Idaho, and I want to get JD's take on this, but in Idaho for sure, there is a
batch of new legislation that is being proposed by the Idaho-Israel alliance.
0:21:33 Rebecca
Yeah, but this this shit never works. It never works. Once you get to the point.
0:21:37 Dave
Listen, if they get this legislation through, right, they want to make it illegal. So they
want to adopt the IHRA definition of anti Semitism, which would essentially make it
illegal to say things like Ben Shapiro cares more about Israel than America. It
would make it illegal to say Jews run the banks. It would make it illegal to say that
Israel has an inordinate amount of influence on American politics. It would literally
make that illegal. And then by making that illegal, and like a hate speech crime,
they're also seeking to expand Idaho's malicious harassment law that would
basically put you in jail for saying these things. And God forbid you wear a mask
while you do this. Like if, for example, you're like Patriot front wearing a mask trying
to protect your anonymity, then that would compound on top of it. You'd be looking
at somewhere between five and 10 years in prison for speaking out against Jewish
supremacism, Zionism, Israel. They're so they're trying, they're going for it. Yeah,
but that's not going to create a cooling effect.
0:22:45 Rebecca
It's just going to rally the cause. Sure. So what's what is their plan here? They must
know
0:22:51 Dave
that this is a losing proposition. I don't know, JD, what are your thoughts? Well, I
mean, listen, they understand the threat and the position that they're in. Okay, so
this is, for Israel, an existential crisis. Now, it's an existential crisis of their own
making. But if they were to lose the ransom that we pay them every single year to
keep us out of a nuclear Holocaust, then then they're toast. And so I think a lot of
Americans hear about what we're telling them, like, listen, they're spending
hundreds of million dollars a year to affect the way you think about the Bible. Like
they're spending millions to make you misinterpret Genesis chapter 12, verse
three, they are geo fencing churches. They are having not just Judaizing
Christians, but rabbinic Jews write the Sunday School literature that you're using in
your Christian Southern Baptist Sunday School literature. And the typical American
hears this and thinks, it can't be right. That's over the top. Well, when you
understand that they know they need the
0:24:07 Cameron
support to live, to survive the situation that they're in in Palestine right now, then it
makes
0:24:15 Dave
sense you would to you would drop whatever dollar amount you had to drop to
maintain your survival. But then when you take into account that most of the money
that they're spending in bribing us is given by us to begin with, then it's really not
that expensive and undertaking. And so it works the same way that any lobbying
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does really, you know, an industry spends a gosh awful amount of money on
politicians, whether it's taking them out to steak dinner or, you know,
0:24:50 Cameron
putting their second cousin on an advisory board and paying them a salary for
doing nothing as a
0:24:57 Dave
way of wink, wink, thank you for your service. And then in return, they don't get
back millions, they get back billions. And so this adds insult to injury because not
only are the Israelis spending a horrible amount of money on influencing,
persuading and shoving propaganda down the throats of Americans inside our own
churches, but they're doing it with our money. Oh, yeah. They're doing it and not
just from, you know, the billions given to Israel each year for their military defense,
but in the defense contracts and in the war economy that we've built of which Israel
is the hub. And a lot of people don't understand what that is or what I mean by that,
a global war economy. But since the end of World War Two, we've created an
economic system in which the West in particular is the entire economy revolves
around continued military conflict, all of it. And so it's just like, you know, in some
places in the United States, you've got a service economy. Some places you've got
an agricultural economy. Well, in the world, we have a war economy. Israel is the
hub of that wheel. It's not the only place that wars can be had, but it's like the
goose that laid the golden egg. So as long as there is military conflict in that region,
then the military industrial process is going to be, excuse me, complex, is going to
be getting rich. And so here's what I told folks just the other day at Insight to
Insight, you might have noticed and, you know, they don't want us to notice things,
but right, we can't help it. That's what we do. If you notice, shortly after the
successful invasion and kidnapping of Maduro, all of a sudden talks of Islamic
extremism went through the roof. It began to trend as a topic. It was immediate. It
was overwhelming. Everywhere you look, just a few days after that event, you saw
a major emphasis on the danger of Islamic terror. What's up with that? Why did
that happen? Well, it's because a lot of people had a lot of hopes that whatever
action we would take in Venezuela wouldn't be immediately successful. I'm not
saying they wanted failure, but they were disappointed when we got in with 20
helicopters and got out. That's not what they wanted. And so they were deflated. It
was a huge payday that did never happen. And so they moved on to the next
agenda item, which is not a long military crusade and ground war in Venezuela, but
it's got to be somewhere. And so there is a list. We've even seen the list, as a
matter of fact, because Wesley Clark told us about it. But there is an actual list of
nations that the military industrial complex wants to get to. And if it can't be one
place, it'll be another place. And so immediately they start talking about the
so-called dangers of Islamic terror. The reason I say so-called is because we don't
understand how much of the rhetoric we hear in the news and in social media is
pushed and propagated by the nation of Israel for their purposes. So I'm not saying
Islamic terror is not a threat. It is, to some degree, but the facts are you're more
likely to die from bee stings or your furniture falling on you than you are from
Islamic terror. I mean, it is something that is a concern, but that concern can be
almost completely mitigated by immigration law. So how much of an existential
crisis is it for us, Islamic terror? If it's a problem that can be solved by sealing up
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the border and not letting these psychopaths in. So if it is a problem that can be
solved by executive fiat, it's not a huge problem. And so it's not just religiously.
We're being manipulated all the way around. What we think about, what we talk
about, these are our daily agenda items for discussion that are given to us by
Israelis. Very true. I'm trying to find this clip because it's one of those things to talk
about. It's another thing to see it. Unfortunately, X's search function is just like not
working today. Yeah. But there was this clip from a documentary that came out 15,
20 years ago. It was a Protestant church and the minister was explaining to the
camera how important it is to indoctrinate the youth into supporting Israel. And he
literally used that word, indoctrinate. Yeah. You might have seen this clip and it's
just amazing that they're so open and brazen about it.
0:30:27 Rebecca
Oh, yeah. Yeah. My friend recently, last night, she was telling me about this. She's
recently red-pilled. She does a very forward popular facing YouTuber, popular on
Instagram, evangelical Christian worship songs, the whole thing. And people
approached her and they're like, we'll send you on this really wonderful trip to
Israel. Oh, wow. And while she was in Israel with her husband, she was like, who's
funding this? And nobody would tell her. And then at the end of the trip, which they
really rolled out the red carpet, they were like, if you ever want to come back again,
she still to this day has no idea who sent her. That's crazy. Yeah. I would never,
0:31:08 Dave
they would put me in jail if I knew. But she didn't know anything. She was an
evangelical
0:31:12 Rebecca
Christian. She didn't know anything about this. And she was like, oh, I can learn
more about the Holy Land. I can learn more about my faith. Right. It didn't work on
her.
0:31:22 Dave
Yeah. We call that a Potemkin tour. North Korea does the same thing. But this will
give you kind of an example of what I'm talking about. You might have seen the clip
that went viral, at least in some circles, of a guy by the name of Robert Stearns.
And he was being awarded a prize, an award by the Jerusalem Post in New York
last weekend. And he gave this talk at the awards program where he explains to
crowds of, they were all Jews in the audience. And it was kind of funny because
behind him, there were flashing the sponsors of the event. And like, it was banks.
It's like, of course, banks are sponsoring this. That's the one. Yeah. But it's an
Israel discount bank. Yeah. Yeah. And so the, what he says in this that was so
offensive, first of all, he apologizes on behalf of Christians to Jews for all of our
mistreatment. Right. Like, I don't make them apologize for crucifying Christ or
stoning Stephen or getting Paul's head chopped off, but whatever. I've never
gotten an apology from them. But he's apologizing on behalf of all Christians. And
he says to them, he says, essentially, hey, it doesn't really matter if Jesus came or
not. He says, it's all good because we, you know, we believe the Messiah came.
You believe the Messiah is coming. And it doesn't really matter. It was a sermon of,
or not a sermon, it was a talk of deep heresy. It was rank heresy of the highest
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caliber. So I
0:33:08 Cameron
thought to myself, who's paying him? And I went down a rabbit hole and goodness
sakes. I wrote
0:33:17 Dave
all about it at insight to insight. Here's the tweet, right? I think that's the one. And
that's the list that you're showing on the screen of all of the various organizations
and influencers in the United States who are taking money to affect American
religion on behalf of Israel. Yep. Salem Media Group is on there. The reason I
highlight that is just because so many of these alternative, you know, right wing,
dissident radio and podcast hosts are a part of Salem Media Network. I'm pretty
sure who's that? Really? Yeah. I'll pull up. Think about what you're seeing there.
He's claiming to be a Christian. He goes by the title pastor. He apostatizes on
video. Like he basically denounces Christ or at least he denounced the necessity
of Christ as though the first advent wasn't even necessary, like the death, the
burial, the resurrection of Jesus. That doesn't matter. And he says, there is a new
breed of Christians and what we're about is helping Israel. We're about Zionism.
That's it. So the reason I brought that up is because you had said something a
moment ago about the way that they condition us to support Israel. And a
gentleman reached out to me and he says, 15 years ago, I was at a charismatic
event. And this guy was doing the talk, the lecture. He's like a hyper-charismatic
Pentecostal type. And he says, he laid hands on me and gave me an anointing.
Well, at this point, that's not that weird. That's what these, that's their, that's their
faith, their holy rollers, as we say, they do that stuff, whatever. But he says it was
an anointing he said to love Israel. That was, it was a specific anointing to love the
Israeli state. In the meantime, as you can see from my research at Culpett and
Penn, that apostasy on screen there, that was brought to you underwritten by the
Israeli government, specifically the Israeli department, the Israeli ministry of foreign
affairs. So that, how or why he doesn't have to register for phara. That's just a
double standard in our law that shouldn't exist. Now, the first time I went down the
rabbit hole is I saw Mark Levin quote, who he said was a notable Christian leader,
so and so, who had basically called Tucker Carlson an anti-Semite or something.
And I thought, you know, I know, I think I know most of notable Christian leaders in
the United States. That's what I do. I don't know that name. Who is that? And so, it
was the director of Friends of Zion. And when I began to unravel that, I wrote about
this at Insight to Insight also, when I began to unravel the Friends of Zion, I saw
that it also is run by, funded by, supported by the Israeli department or the Israeli
ministry of foreign affairs. Also, ties to the IDF. And so, it's really sinister because
it's presenting itself, and these guys all do it. There's so many different
organizations, you can, you know, you had them up on the screen a second ago.
They claim to be Christian ministries. They are not. They are Israeli organizations.
They're funded by Jewish philanthropists and the Israeli government. But they're
also funded by evangelicals in America because you've got grandma and grandpa
putting their milk and egg money into the offering plate or mailing it in an envelope
to these people. And they're under the impression that these folks are sharing
Jesus or giving the gospel, the good news of Christ's death and resurrection and
God's salvation of sinners to the Jews who desperately need to hear it. Or perhaps
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they're doing a benevolence ministry. They're taking care of hungry Jews as
though that's a thing in Israel or whatever, maybe victims of October 7th. Because,
and this is what upsets me, I know the people in the pew because I'm one of them
too these days. These are good, honest, God fearing, well-meaning people, mostly
in the Bible Belt, but not exclusive to the Bible Belt, who are giving their social
security checks so that Jews who don't know Christ can come to know Christ. And
that money is not going to that, not a single dime of it. It's all going to Israeli
municipal projects and propaganda sent back to grandma and grandpa in the form
of Sunday school literature or in a guest speaker who advertises himself as an
evangelist, but he's not. He's a paid spokesman of the Israeli state.
0:38:58 Rebecca
How strong do you think the stranglehold is on evangelical youth? Because it
seems like most of this is being retained through the elders of the evangelical
community. So there will be an organic shift once they die. So thankfully, I can
report not strong, not as strong as it once
0:39:18 Dave
was. And so we kind of have a joke sometimes about the Fox News generation, the
boomers. And they get, so a second ago, when I downplayed the danger of Islamic
terror, anybody who's watching Fox News is freaking out at that point, right? They
are pounding the steering wheel, they're cursing me out. They're like, what do you
mean? What do you mean? It's obviously, this is like a civilization Indian event.
Like they're chopping heads off in Europe, right? Because they look at the world
fundamentally differently than those of us who have access to information that isn't
propaganda. And so young people are not buying the Israeli propaganda the way
the older people are, because they're not subject to it. It's too much information
coming from too many different places that can not all be filtered by Jewish
influence. If all there was was five networks and a couple of different radio
networks around the country, it would be pretty easy. And it was effectively to give
us a load of bull crap and call it gospel. But there's so much different news coming
from different directions that it's impossible for Israel to control. I mean, young
people are savvy. I was talking to a kid recently in person and I explained to him, I
thought I was I thought I was sounding pretty cool. I'm like, listen, if I want to know
what's going on in Palestine or in Gaza, I get on a VPN and I'm explaining to him
how I get on the dark web to read the real news. And the kid is like, yeah, I do that
every day. It just comes it comes natural to them. And so they're not inundated as
the older people are, which is why the Israelis are trying so hard to to ratchet up
that propaganda because they're in deep trouble.
0:41:31 Cameron
The typical young person looks at what's happening in Gaza and says, why is this
happening? What
0:41:37 Dave
is going on here? Like, why are you? This is a war. This is shooting kids in a barrel.
Yeah, exactly. You know, they're not they're not buying the crap and Israel's in
trouble. They know that. And you know, it's interesting just, you know, because I'm
fucking obsessed with where where I live. I'm obsessed with Idaho. We saw
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recently we were talking about the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Just a couple
of months ago, they brought a delegation from Idaho to Israel as a part of their 50
States One Israel event. And it's amazing, it was paid for by the Israeli Ministry of
Foreign Affairs. We see here in this photo, we've got Josh Tanner, Barbara E. Hart,
Bruce Skog, John Shirts, and these are all Republicans. Okay. And who's this right
here? That is Ilana Rubel. She is a Democrat. She's Jewish. She's pro LGBT, pro
trans, pro union, total left wing nut job. But they all come together on the Israel.
And it's like, this is what we've been talking about when we've been talking about
rhinos, that rhinos exist, the uniparty and all this stuff. And it's just amazing that this
happens. They are now proposing legislation, right? But I'm the crazy one
0:43:03 Rebecca
for noticing it. But there's a natural into this because they are very proactively
delegitimizing the two party system. Like if you talk to anybody from Gen Z, Gen
Alpha, they're like, Democrat or Republican, who gives a crap? This doesn't make
a difference. And that's because of this.
0:43:20 Dave
Yeah. Oh, 100%. Do you think that we're going to see like real change JD in our
lifetime? Or do you think that they're going to somehow be able to put the genie
back in the bottle? And and keep limping along? So I'm not nearly as optimistic
about that. I am the youth because the problem is the money power and influence
is not in the hands of the youth. And it's not going to be in the
0:43:49 Cameron
hands of the youth for another 40 years. And so, you know, power is always
weighted on the, you
0:43:58 Dave
know, the latter years of life. And so right now, our world is run by 80 year olds,
who were inundated with post war consensus, mid war propaganda mythology.
And so it's going to be a while before these kids are are in charge. And another
thing that could happen is the same thing that happened with the hippies in the
60s. You know, those those people were, you know, peace and love, you know,
not, you know, they weren't they weren't war mongers. That's what they stood
against. And by the time it was said and done, those hippies are the ones who
became neocons and picked up right where their parents left off. And they've been
war mongers. You know, these are now the 70 year olds that are are causing wars
all over the world. And so people can be a lot of corruption can happen in that
period of time. But what will change is public perception of Israel. It just may not be
public perception that can affect power and change right away. I mean, if there's
anything that the United States relationship with Israel shows us, it's that our
leaders in Washington doesn't care what we think, at least when it comes to foreign
policy. They're going to support who they want to support. They're going to fund the
wars that they want to fund. I mean, yesterday, I saw a video, excuse me, a
photograph of Lindsey Graham that he tweeted out with the director of Mossad in
Israel. Now, he's a US senator who spends I don't know how many times has he
gone to Israel dozens in the last year or two. He's almost like Ted Cruz. Like I
would just want to ask Cruz, like you know that you live in Texas, right? Like you
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serve the people of Texas. I don't know if these guys even know that. But anyways,
when Lindsey Graham posts a photo with the director of Mossad, it's not that he's
clueless. He's not clueless. He is rubbing it in our faces. You understand that he's
gaslighting us. It's like, you think that I'm an Israeli asset. Of course I am. What are
you going to do about it? You can't stop me. And so it's really hard to overcome
that. That's why we have to work hard to just get people to see the truth and
respond to the truth. So what I'm trying to do is give people the theology they need
to understand that as a Christian, you do not have obligations to the modern nation
state of Israel. My job as a theologian is to explain to Christians what the Bible says
and what the Bible doesn't say. So I think there's a lot of good resistance right now.
There's a huge resistance effort against Zionism, but it's mostly in the form of
hilarious memes. Well, they are attacking us theologically and we need to be
defending ourselves theologically. So when people claim, hey, as a Christian, I
have to support Israel because Genesis chapter 12 verse 3 says, I will bless those
that bless thee and curse those that curse thee. And you need to be able to say,
are you aware that Galatians chapter 3 exposes that text and that it emphasizes
the apostle Paul that this is not at all about Jews, but it's about Jesus. Are you
aware that the apostle Paul in this chapter says, anyone who believes is a child of
Abraham because we are one with Christ and Christ is the one who was promised,
then we are joint heirs with Jesus. And Paul says, we Christians are the heirs of
that promise. That means I will bless those that bless thee and curse those that
curse thee have, it has nothing to do with the state of Israel. That is a promise for
Christians. So when you are attacking Tucker Carlson and calling him devilish
because what he doesn't want to support more of Israel's wars, you're doing the
opposite of the Abrahamic promise. You are cursing those who bless Christ in
order to bless those who curse Christ. Like, are you aware of what Talmudic
Judaism teaches? Are you aware how it is antithetical to the Christian religion? Did
you know that Talmudic Judaism is not older than Christianity? Did you know that
it's newer than Christianity by upwards of 600 years newer, that it was written to
oppose Christ, that its values are antithetical to the Christian faith? Well, most
evangelicals don't know that. So, you know, that's why I'm writing books and stuff.
Thank God. No, thank God that you are. And, you know, we're Catholic and it's one
of those things we talked about this a little bit that, you know, I think that this could
be a really positive way for Catholics, Orthodox, reform Protestants such as
yourself to be able to come together in a way because normally we're all like, you
know, pointing fingers at one another, you're calling us a popist or a papist, you
know. And it's great because we're finally starting to see the Catholic Church wake
up a little bit and start making some statements about this just yesterday, two days
ago. Two days ago, the patriarchs and heads of the churches in Jerusalem,
specifically, this is Cardinal Pizzabala, who I wish I wish he was Pope, but
whatever. He put out a new statement saying that Christian Zionism misleads the
public, so's division, harms unity, and is a quote damaging ideology. We haven't
heard the Catholic Church weigh in on this like this probably since the days of
Cardinal Raphael Mary de Val, which is like 1927. So it is... So David, I'm what you
call a Protestant who's still protesting. So, you know, Halloween is Reformation
Day in my household. And I would not ordinarily cooperate or partner with Roman
Catholics, all right, and whatever. That's weird. That's just, listen, I'm feisty. All
right, I'm a member of the Orange Order, so it's just like, we'll go down fighting. The
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first time I made an exception was with, I was speaking at the Stand Against
Marxism Conference with Michael Hitchborn of the Lepanto Institute, which is a
Roman Catholic, I don't know, resistance organization, I guess. And he was in the
room and I told him, you know, you're protesting the Pope so much, you should
just, you know, join us. But my comment at the time was, I really want to get
cultural Marxism defeated, which by the way, here's the crazy... I'm gonna go on a
chase rabbit for a second. The crazy thing is, the guys right now standing up for
Israel so strongly in the Reformed
0:51:56 Cameron
Protestant camp, like Michael O'Fallon or James Lindsay, for that matter,
0:52:06 Dave
they were helping us in our fight against the Frankfurt School, which was Jewish.
So it's like, I don't understand why you're chill with all of them, you know, right now.
But anyways, my joke was, I want to get cultural Marxism destroyed so that we can
go back, Protestants and Catholics, we can go back to fighting each other like God
intended. And I've got, yeah, I've got beef with the Orthodox, like I believe in penal
substitution, that's pretty important to my faith. They deny that. But my gosh, they
have been so good on this issue of Israel. And they are being a witness for the
indigenous Christians. By that, I mean, they profess Christ in Gaza. And no one
else, besides the Orthodox, are giving them a voice. Because you can talk about
the dangers of Islam right now. The nation that is actively persecuting and killing
Christians is Israel, because those suckers have bombed churches in Gaza six
times, conveniently, when they're in service. It's like the nuke that we know the
atomic bomb, we dropped down the chimney, literally down the chimney in
Nagasaki of the only church in Asia. You're like, is that coincidence? Is that
coincidence that they only hit the churches in Gaza when they're worshiping?
Right? And so they're actively persecuting the Christians there. And the Orthodox,
you know, they've been there forever, practically. And so I have admired their
courage on this issue. Yeah. I'm going to ask the question that I always ask,
0:53:53 Rebecca
because I'm a broken record when we talk to anybody that's a religious philosopher
that's a theologist. My issue with Catholicism, I'm a bit of a lapsed Catholic. You
need to go to church, you need to go to confession. I know, I know. I am concerned
based on what I'm seeing expressed in the movement right now, that if we unite
under the cause of anti Zionism, that it is not going to be enough. Because if we
usher in an era of racial universalism, I feel like, what is the point? Why are we
even like we we combatted the evils of Judaism so that we could still have a
degenerate multicultural society? And that makes me want to peace out on
Catholicism. I like what pizza balla has to say. This is great. This is an excellent
development. I'm happy to see it makes me proud to be Catholic. But when I look
at some of the other developments within the Catholic Church, I'm like, I, I can't, I
can't do this. I cannot in good faith do this. So what do you think? Do you think that
rallying under the anti Zionist cause is enough of a unifying factor if we are ignoring
the larger, broader multicultural issue that really is affecting us more in our day to
day lives? I don't know the answer to that necessarily.
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0:55:08 Dave
I will say this. It is interesting that Catholics in general are much better on the the
issue of Israel than what evangelicals are. And that's because we are susceptible
to their religious propaganda because of the influence of dispensationalism, the
eschatology that was created in 1821 in Darby's Irish basement. And so we are
inundated with that. We're the ones with the Scofield Bibles, not the Papists. But
that said, your leadership is the worst, absolutely the worst. I mean, I, I, as bad as
Protestants are, at least it's not the head of our church doing that because
Catholics in general, and not just us, here's the thing, I don't want to broad brush,
broad brush all Roman Catholics. It is largely the Jesuit order that is doing mass
migration, facilitation in the Western Hemisphere. It's Jewish NGOs, about 80% of
Muslim mass migration in Europe and America is done by Jewish NGOs. But the
other 20% American mass migration, it's about 80% is Roman Catholic. Yes. And
so you guys have to knock that crap off. Oh, yeah. Please. Oh, I mean, this has
been a huge thing. And you know, if you're if you're Catholic and you're watching
this program, I implore you to stop, I just was trying to put two words together. Stop
paying your tithes, stop giving money to the Catholic Charities, stop paying the
Sunday offering and start putting in letters into the basket that says, I will resume
once you've disbanded and dissolved Catholic Charities, because that is the
primary thing. And that's such a good idea. There's a mechanism that's happening
here where after Vatican II, the church relinquished its title as Teacher of
Teachers, right? Because that's what the church always said. We're the teaching
church, we're the teacher of teachers, we have the deposit of faith, we have the
truth. And after Vatican II, you know, John Paul II comes out and says, Oh, we're a
pilgrim church, we're a pilgrim church on our journey together towards the truth,
implying that the church doesn't hold the truth, implying that the church is seeking
true, we're trying to find it, we don't really know what it is. And it was like at that
moment that people started to leave, because they're like, well, hey, if you don't
have the truth here, then we're going to go look for it, we're going to go try to find it.
That's what happened to my dad in 1972 when he left the church. And we have
that too in even Joculism, because our young men are becoming Catholic and
Eastern Orthodox, because of not just this issue, but we're prone to the
sensitivities, the secret friendly sensitivities. And I point out to Protestants, because
I don't want to see that happen. I'm like, you know, we have as Protestants a
reputation of schism, like we're born in schism. And that, you know, from my
perspective, I think it is the Roman church that schism from us, but that's just, that's
just, I just say that to guess. Obi-Wan Kenobi, all the buttons on your point of view.
Your last pope, like he was a schismatic, in my opinion, and not just my opinion, he
was charged with heresy by what, how many hundreds of cardinals and or leaders
in the Catholic church, whether it was pushing a female deaconate in South
America, the worship of the Pachamama goddess on the Vatican lawn, saying that
homosexuals, unrepentant homosexuals go to heaven, claiming that atheists go, I
mean, he was a universalist. And I really don't think this pope is going to prove to
be much better. And not only that, I'm confident that Francis was a thoroughbred
Marxist. And so, nobody's perfect. And so, and that, and by the way, the Eastern
Orthodox historically have rolled over historically, over and over and over again, at
pivotal points in their own history, to tyrannical power, repeatedly, say, in Russia,
for example. So, all of that said, we all have our own problems. And I would just
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encourage nobody change your faith on account of the stupid things that your
leaders do. Yeah, like, I'm not trying to discourage Catholics from becoming
Protestant. But I'm saying, grow deeper in your faith and make a difference where
you are, where God has placed you. And most importantly, figure out for yourself
what the Bible says. And then choose your religious affiliation based upon whether
or not they're doctrineally correct. Because if an organization needs to be
reformed, I believe God will do that. The problem is Christians, Catholic, Orthodox,
evangelical, doesn't matter. Nobody knows their Bible well enough. Because if they
did, and they hear Ted Cruz say, I support Israel because of the Abrahamic
promise, he wouldn't be able to continue speaking over
1:01:17 Cameron
jeers and laughing. You got to be laughed out of the room for that crap. It's so
absurd.
1:01:23 Dave
I think there is, I was going to say, I think that there is a really easy measuring stick
that we would both agree on. And that is, if you walk into a church, and there's a
woman at the pulpit, you turn around and leave, find a different church, find one
where there isn't a woman.
1:01:39 Rebecca
I think we could all agree on that. If you would be amenable to it, I think we have
some audience questions, would you mind answering a few? I can try. Let's see
here, this is from
1:01:49 Dave
Booktrak Gruz, who sent $10. Excuse me, hold on.
1:01:53 Rebecca
I have the plague every time I come over. Listen, this is what happens when the
kids
1:02:00 Dave
go to school. It's a Catholic plague. Yeah, true. We're anti-vax, we're anti-doctor,
and then we send the kids to school, and it's like a Petri-ish, and all kinds of crazy
things grow. Booktrak Gruz sent $10. Oh, this is not good. Your book lacks
falsifiable prophecy, Deuteronomy 1822, Romans 11, 25 to 29, and clarity,
Revelation 1, 3, and 227. Non-falsifiable hermeneutics undermine Christian
apologetics and biblical authority, J.B. Payne. Do you know what that means? Me
neither. Me neither. Okay. Well, I said it. Sorry, Booktrak Gruz. That sounded like a
word salad from an angry person. I mean, bless him. I just don't know what he's
saying. Yeah, that's us most of the time. Did he say it lacks falsifiable prophecy?
Biblical law? It lacks falsifiable prophecy. Oh, I was reading the wrong one.
Deuteronomy 1822. I'd have to look all of these up because I'm a Roman Catholic
and I don't do like that. Well, it better not contain any prophecy. I'll tell you that right
now. Right, and this is something that... I'm a cessationist. We don't do prophecy
and lessons in the Bible. Right. Well, I mean, this is one of those things where like,
there are, and I think some of our legislators here in Idaho are a part of these
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prophetic cults that take portions of the Bible and then private revelation, and they
try to use that as a way to explain what we're seeing in Israel. It's the Gog and
Magog war. This is the end times. Jesus is coming back next week. This was all
over TikTok a couple of months ago, people selling their houses and preparing for
the imminent return of Jesus. And I just... The faith is not, at least from my
perspective, because we do have a tradition in the Catholic Church of like the
Blessed Virgin Mary or Jesus appearing to a very saintly person. But the faith
should not be dependent on any type of prophecy at all. And as far as I'm
concerned, 99% of the prophecy that's in the Bible has been fulfilled. Like when
they're talking about the destruction of Jerusalem and one is in the field and one
will be taken, that was talking about the onslaught of Titus against Jerusalem in 70
AD. Like, sure, there might be a couple of things about like, the seven seals, the
trumpets, the four horsemen of the apocalypse, but that's like a tiny sliver. What's
interesting is the dispensationalism of Darby that was then taken by Scofield and
disseminated. Of course, the claim is not that Scofield tampered with the Bible.
We're talking about the marginal notes in the Bible teaching Darby's
dispensationalism. Darby actually got that from two Jesuit priests, Francisco,
Rebera, and I'm trying to remember the other one, but they were trying to find a
way in the 1600s, in the middle of the Reformation, a way to argue with Protestants
who claimed that the Pope was the Antichrist. And so they came up with what we
would call futuristic eschatology, where almost everything is in the future. And
Darby extrapolated that, and we know that for a fact, and that's where this horrible
thing and even Jokelism came from. So thanks a lot, the Catholics actually brought
this. Well, yeah, we discussed that in this video. What I've talked was, the Bible
says right now, we look through a glass darkly. The Bible does tell us what is
coming in the eschaton, in the end. And there are prophetic passages. However,
we need a strong dose of humility when we are interpreting those things. We know
for certain some things will happen, such as the return of Christ, he's coming to
judge the quick and the dead, the resurrection of the dead is coming. These things
will happen. The order may be a little bit more humble with, because we look
through a glass darkly. So the way I phrase it is, of your theology, eschatology,
should be the caboose, not the engine. What has already happened is clear, like
we know Jesus rose from the dead. Looking backwards, hindsight is 20-20. We
can be sure about the things that have happened and can stake our life on it.
There's a little bit less confidence you ought to have in your understanding, not lack
of confidence in God to keep his promises, but in your capacity to understand
those promises. The problem with pre-millennial dispensationalists is they view
their version of future events with as much confidence as they view the Gospels
and the resurrection of Christ. And that's how you get wonky and weird. Yep. Oh,
no, absolutely. And we did discuss in this beautiful video right here. We discussed
a lot of this stuff, especially with the Jesuits, with the foundation of
dispensationalism, Darby, and all of that. So if you haven't watched- I don't mean to
repeat myself. No, it's okay. It's okay. A lot of people, it's super interesting with our
show, right? Because we get a lot of people that watch our Wednesday show, that
don't watch the Monday show, and people that watch Monday or Wednesday that
hate me, and they don't watch any of the solo shows that I do. So there's a lot of
good information. We've got a playlist on our YouTube channel. It's called After
Hours with Dave, and you can watch the interview with JD Hall right there. And can
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I make a clarification quickly, too? I don't want anyone to misunderstand it. When I
talk about a futuristic eschatology, I'm what you call a historic premillennialist,
meaning that. I do believe that a lot of prophecies are futuristic. It's called historic
premillennialism, because it is, it's truly the oldest and most historic eschatology of
the church as best that we can tell. What Darby invented was not historic
premillennialism, but it was premillennial dispensationalism. It sounds the same,
but it's not. In fact, it's really not even similar, okay? So with that perspective, the
reason why that is dangerous is because it changes so much about what we
believe in regard to how God views us as human beings chiefly, that God is not a
respecter of persons. There is in God's eyes no Jew or no Greek, no Gentile. God
does not favor someone on account of their ethnic ancestry. And so that's why
we're not believing that God has a special deal with Jews. And so historically, the
Christian Church has always held, whether you're Catholic, Anglican, Protestant,
whatever, we've all held to one form or another of covenant theology, which says
God has one special people, one chosen
1:09:49 Cameron
nation, one family. And that would be those who have faith in Jesus Christ. And
that's something
1:09:58 Dave
that Catholics and Protestants and Orthodox and Anglican high church, low church,
doesn't matter. Anyone prior to 1821, we should all be able to agree that the apple
of God's eye, his chosen people, are those who have chosen Christ. Yeah, I was
just thinking that reminds me there's this prayer. Let me see if I can pull up on the
screen. And it'll of course, probably annoy you a little bit. But this is the modernist
version of it. They change the to you. But it's to the Oblessed Joseph, do we come
in our tribulation having employed the help of Ithrais, holy spouse, blah, blah, blah.
But it talks about, we humbly beg you to graciously regard the inheritance which
Jesus Christ has purchased by his blood and assist us in our needs by the power
and strength. But it talks about that we are the chosen, we are the chosen, that
Christians are the chosen people of God. They might have deleted it actually, it
looks like from this prayer, but protect the chosen people of Jesus Christ, keep far
from us most loving Father, a blade of error and corruption. And 1 Peter chapter
two, the apostle Peter says, you speaking to the church, the elect, that's how he
begins the epistle. You, the church, are God's chosen nation. It says you are his
special people. We are his royal priesthood, us. And so like, who's even in my
church, my pastor will refer to God's chosen nation and he's talking about Israel.
And it's like, you know, I put up with that because, you know, he loves my family
and I love him. But like God's chosen nation is the church. And the Bible explicitly
refers to us as Israel. Yep. Now, if you listen to the apologists on X or in social
media, they'll be, you know, they'll tell you very emphatically that the church is
never called Israel. That's just not true at all. As a matter of fact, it's the apostle
Peter who again refers to the church as the true Israel of God. It is the apostle Paul
says, all who believe are children of Abraham. And there's a couple of times where
it refers to unbelieving Jews as Gentiles. And so the scripture couldn't be clear that
there's only one Abrahamic faith. There's not three. There's one. Yep. And
Christians are the faith of Abraham. Amen. The Old Testament is that's our book.
That's not their book. That's our book. That belongs to Christ. True. Booktrack
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roofs and $10. Do you argue for applying biblical law to civil society? Does the New
Testament silence on civil law mean a prophetic pause or a mandate for the church
to restore old covenant judicial laws? I feel like this person has set me up. So there
is a topic called Theonomy. Okay. And it was promoted by three leaders in
particular, RJ Rush, Duny, Greg Bonson, and Gary North. And Theonomy means
God's law. That's what the term means. But what it teaches is that the exhaustive
detail and those that term is important, the exhaustive detail of the mosaic civil
code should be applied to government today. All right. So let me give the
breakdown on covenant theology. A minute ago, I said, whether you're a Catholic,
Anglican Protestant, you hold to some kind of covenant theology. The Christian
church historically has taught what's called the tripartite divide of God's law,
meaning that it's separated into three. And then God is the one who separated it.
There is the moral law, that which is righteous and good or forbidden and
unrighteous defined by God, because it is in accordance to his immutable nature.
And the clearest representation of that moral law is the Ten Commandments. All
right. So we would believe the moral law existed before Moses and it exists now.
It's always been wrong to murder. Like Cain murdered Abel, he was punished. This
was before Moses. So like what's right and wrong never changes. There's also the
ceremonial law. God didn't write the ceremonial law into tablets of stone. He didn't
speak it out loud on Mount Sinai. It's different. And the ceremonial law would be all
of the different rites and rituals of the cultic religion of ancient Israel. It would be
things like the feasts, the festivals, Passover, circumcision, the festival of booths
that you read about in the Book of John, the dietary law. All of those various types
and shadows preaching to people before Christ about Christ. So when Jesus
shows up in the Book of John at the Festival of Booths or tents or tabernacles,
Jesus says, Hey, you're worshiping me. I'm the bread of life. I'm the living water.
I'm the light of the world. Jesus is saying all of these various rituals, even the
dietary code, points to him. And so historic Christian faith says we don't observe
those that ceremonial law anymore. You can get circumcised. We might
recommend it, but you don't have to. And praise God. You can eat bacon if you
want to. That's okay. That's perfectly good. And we would point to the scripture,
which clearly teaches this. It's Mark chapter seven. Jesus made all foods clean.
Acts chapter 15, the first Apostolic Council. The disciples get together and make
this pronouncement. Acts chapter nine, Peter's dream, all of that. But then there's
the civil code given for Israel. That's the third type. The civil code would be the
mosaic penologies. In other words, the laws given to Moses for the governance of
ancient Israel. Theonomy says America should follow all of those laws verbatim. To
answer the question, no, I don't believe that the civil laws must be enforced
verbatim because we're not Israel. And this is not that time and place. And that's
the historic Christian answer. However, I would agree with my confession of faith,
which says that there is the general application of universal moral principles within
that legal code. I mean, the scripture itself says all scripture is given by God and is
valuable for reproof, correction, and training, and godliness. So I would say we
don't need to stone to death a promiscuous woman on her father's porch anymore.
I'm not for that. But it does teach us a thing or two about a father's responsibility to
make sure his daughter's not a hoe, right? And so that would be my answer. In
terms of the civil law, there's wisdom there and that wisdom should be applied to
government today. Yeah. And so, yeah, we have a nice little diagram here.
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Judaism, fun, I would encourage you, if you go to YouTube, I did a debate on this
subject with Joel McDermott of American Vision in 2014 in Phoenix, you might
want to check out that debate. All right. Yeah. Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, no bacon.
Christian, we got funny hats and bacon. Ha ha. You know, after the guy infiltrated
our church, he on the Awana form, it's a children's program, he said, no pork. And I
pulled him aside. And I said, what's up with the no pork, man? Like, are you a
Judaizer? What's the deal? Is this just for diet? And he says, yeah, it's just a dietary
thing. I don't think it's healthy. So no gelatin, products, no marshmallows, no pork.
And I let it pass. And so after, you know, he tried to kill us, I kind of made a joke
that says, if anybody joins the church from now on, they have to eat bacon as an
initiation ritual. Okay. So I think that from time to time, you might want to prove your
Christian Gentile bona fides by a good slab of bacon. You know, that was actually
a funny thing that happened in the early all right, when we were all networking back
in 2016 and 2017, when we would like go to meetups and stuff like that. Everybody
would make a point of ordering like ham and eggs for breakfast, just to prove.
Booktruck rooms. Well, you know, that's the that's the tradition of the the Easter
ham, right? So the reason ham is a tradition is because it was, it was a way in
which Christians would rub it in the face of Jews that because Jesus has risen from
the dead, we can eat ham now. So don't don't stop keep the Easter ham tradition.
There's a reason. Yeah, it's good stuff. Booktruck grooves and $10 JD Hall. Have
you ridden a horse? Supercessionism and replacement theology. I'm trying to
understand these meanings, Catholics, Orthodox and Protestants are under attack.
No more infighting, more talks. So, I mean, I'm confused about the horse thing.
Well, have you ridden a horse? Well, yeah. Okay, based. Yeah, he just he asked
everybody if they've ridden. I used to hunt elk in the mountains, you know, like, on
horseback get to where we need to go. I'm not a horse guy, but I've I've ridden
plenty of horses. What was he saying about replacement theology? I guess he said
that he's trying to understand Supercessionism and replacement theology. If you
want to give a quick rundown on that. The term replacement theology is a
pejorative. It's meant to be insulting to those who hold the covenant theology. So if
you look on the X feed of Dinesh De Souza, who by the way, is also on the take of
the Israeli ministry of foreign affairs, he will I think it was just yesterday. He was
bashing what a replacement theology as though that's not the only theology that
existed for 1800 years. You know, he's condemning every Christian who lived
before then and a great many after. Yeah, there we go. You can see it on the
screen there. So they mean it as an insult. There is a chapter of my book
hyphenated heresy dedicated to replacement theology. And I said, I don't have a
problem with the term. Here's why God did replace the old covenant with the new
covenant. And we know that because the Bible tells us that specifically. It says the
new covenant is better and the old one has passed away. Jesus did replace the
Jewish temple. He destroyed it by his decree. Then he replaced the Jewish temple
with his own body. Jesus replaced the Jewish priesthood with his own the
priesthood of Melchizedek. If you understand that that prophetic reference, Jesus
replaced the Jewish Sabbath with the Christian Sabbath. Jesus replaced the
Passover with the Lord's Supper. I mean, Jesus is observing the Passover and
then institutes a new ordinance, a sacrament communion or the Eucharist in his
own blood. And so there was lots of replacement that the scripture did. But we
would say we wouldn't frame it as replacement. We would frame it as fulfillment.
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Jesus fulfilled these types in shadows. He fulfilled all of that. And so I would not say
necessarily that the church replaced Israel. That's too weak. What happened is the
church is Israel. We're the chosen people. We're the people of God. We are the
beloved belonging to God. We're the bride of Christ. Abraham is our father. He's
not yours. He belongs to Christians. And so do I hold a replacement theology?
Sure. I don't frame it that way. It's covenant theology and every Christian you've
ever heard of prior to then believed it. Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield,
Polycarp, Athanasius, Arrhenius, Aranaeus, Eusebius, Clement, Augustine, St.
Thomas of Assisi, Luther, Calvin, Zwingli, Knox, Spurgeon, all of every Puritan
preacher who helped found the United States all held to what they call replacement
theology. Yep, 100%. And I believe it's in Mystici Corporese by Pope Pius XII. He
affirms that as well. Last super chat, at least that I see is from the Orthodoxer who
sent $10. All this talk about Protestant churches being Judaic makes me happy. I'm
an Orthodox Christian. We don't have that subversive trash at all. Also, happy
Robert E. Lee Day, not Martin Luther Wee was Kang's Day. And yeah, it's where I
just had it up on the on the screen. Where did it go? Here it is. The F from from
your your local FBI office. Today, the FBI honors the life and work of Dr. Martin
Luther, Kang, Jr. and reaffirms our commitment to fairness and equal justice for all,
which is kind of a lot coming from the FBI. Also, tell us more. MLK was a sodomite.
He was a rapist, and he was a filthy, dirty communist. And so we should abolish
Martin Luther King Day. And Luther Martin Luther King denied the deity of Christ,
the resurrection, Yep, scriptural inspiration. He was a heretic on top of a
homosexual. Amen. Yeah, that's so true. JD, if you want to just give a brief shout
out to all the places people can find you, we'll put it up on the screen. I don't think
we talked about our book. Well, we did a little bit. You can. It's still number one on
Amazon and in the in its various niche niches. Yeah, you can see it there on
screen. Number one, new release in Christian historical theology, the hyphenated
heresy. And so it is going to explain the the historic roots of Zionism and rabbinic
Judaism in particular, what the Talmud is and how it plays the part of Scripture. For
rabbinic Jews and replacement theology, et cetera. I would really encourage you to
run out and get it and leave a positive review. You can find my writing every day at
insight to insight. And now I'm the chief or lead writer at NXR on Substack. NXR
stands for New Christian Right in XR. Yeah, here, let me pull that up real quick.
And of course, this is with with Joel Webin, who's also been a guest on this
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1:34:14 Rebecca
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gaining some steam here. Where was the where did it go? Did I have it up? Is it
over here? We were just featured today on the nation. In the nation. Can you read
this? This is so funny. This is so funny. Okay so this article is about James
Fishback and it says by the way you were so
1:34:50 Rebecca
present on that interview. I was what? President. I was right. I was right. And you
were right. I
1:34:56 Dave
was right. And ahead of the curve big shout out to Basil by the way for giving us the
scoop but yeah this was from the nation weekly. The day before Tucker Carlson's
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interview with James Fishback he appeared on The Backlash a YouTube show run
by white nationalists in northern Idaho. It's north Idaho by the way. On their table
the hosts displayed the culture of critique an anti-Semitic tome by the white
nationalist theorist Kevin McDonald when asked if he would attend a Hanukkah
celebrations Florida governor estate with one of the largest Jewish populations in
the country. Fishback responded that quote I would never attend any other
religious celebration or service other than that of my unapologetic Christian faith.
Very based replied co-host Dave Riley who helped organize the 2017 United Right
rally in Charlottesville Virginia before working as an operative at the far right edge
of Idaho politics. I think it's important to preserve the identity of heritage Americans
Fishback told the hosts. I think it's important to not let us be replaced. Heritage
Americans is another recent white nationalist coinage. Oh come on. A didactic if
completely incoherent effort to elevate white American immigrants above their
non-European counterparts. Later in the show Riley's co-host Rebecca Hargraves
who's online moniker as Blonde in the Belly of the Beast was unwrapping
Christmas gifts from fans quote this looks a little third rikey she exclaimed briefly
showing a Nazi flag to the camera. Thank you Mojack we really appreciate it. Yeah
thank you for the the present thank you for the gift and yeah by the way let me see
if I can pull it up but it appears as though we have launched a tiny tactical nuke into
Florida politics here's even Richard Spencer retweeting us there was only one
podcast that asked James Fishback about his relationship with Christina Pasha
before this whole thing blew up now for those of you unaware Ron DeSantisade
Christina Pasha attacked James Fishback after he reportedly refused to drop out
and endorse Jay Collins for Florida governor it's kind of crazy but we called that
1:37:23 Rebecca
basically their relationship was so much more involved than he James Fishback
and Christina
1:37:28 Dave
Pasha were working together Christina of course working for the Rhino DeSantis
campaign that went to Israel to sign legislation that would restrict Americans First
Amendment right to criticize the state of Israel so I'll play the quick clip we asked
him we pressed him about this here was his answer at the time let's take a listen
just DeSantis there was like a whole team of people behind him including a woman
I think her name is Christina Pasha what are your thoughts of Christina Pasha does
she have any connections or relationship with your campaign she doesn't you
know I've found Christina to be a friend I had dinner with her a couple months ago
and stayed in touch with her you know what I would say is that the DeSantis
administration by and large has been incredibly successful operation I think there's
always going to be disagreements within staff about how something is done or why
it wasn't done a certain way but I would judge the governor by what he's done for
our state consistently in education especially during COVID and then on the Israel
question I certainly would not have met with net you know who Jay Collins did it
wasn't just what a non-answer so not only was that a non-answer but technically he
did lie he lied about his relationship with Christina Pasha he said that you know that
there's nothing going on there but what we've come to find out is like for example
here is all of the phone calls from Christina to Mr. Fishback this is crazy x shit over
28 phone calls where she was trying to call him to get him to drop out of the race
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the drama is all over the timeline I'm sure that you'll be able to find some of that
where was the I believe did the backlash tweeted out I think that the backlash
might have tweeted it hold on let me let me quick go here sorry everybody
technical stuff real technical stuff yeah here here's the the tweet from Florida
politics severed alliance highly paid and highly placed ronda santa staffer Christina
Pasha be friends advises James Fishback and then regrets it so essentially now
Christina Pasha has resigned from the ronda santas team she's no longer working
for ronda santas she was deeply involved with James Fishback's campaign and it
does appear as though the fishback campaign was initially a controlled opposition
to Byron donald's to push people back in the ronda santas camp but what
happened is that he put on the af hat he put on the america first and she had to
peace out and she had to go away she got a little spooked she lost control of her
golem yeah and now fishback is running so we've withheld our endorsement of
fishback um we're still kind of withholding that endorsement but i'm not endorsing
this guy if listen if you live in florida vote for him don't donate to him don't sign up
for his email list because those lists are either going to be made public because a
campaign donation is de facto public information uh but if you put yourself on a list
like that it could wind up in the hands of somebody like ronda santas and then
you're identified as an anti-semite and would be subject to the state yes so indeed
avoid putting your name out there avoid donating avoid getting on his lists but if
you live in florida if you got friends in florida f*** Byron donald's and ronda santas
and his stupid lieutenant governor vote for james fishback that's what i have to say
that's what i have to say about that we are going to try to get kasey push on the
show at some point he is running for ohio governor total endorsement of him
unfiltered unminigated endorsement of kasey push he's great the car guy um and
then yeah
1:41:36 Rebecca
oh and then i because um some of my co-hosts have been pressing me to go on
other people's shows i have an upcoming interview with academic agent very good
and with adam green so those will be in the next week i'll have both of them very
good and then you guys are going to shut up about it
1:41:53 Dave
yeah for a month and then i'll do some gotta do some promo we'll be back
wednesday with a big show we'll be of course talking about what's been going on in
minnesota martin luther king we're not going
1:42:04 Rebecca
to talk for until sorry guys yep it'll come up we'll see you then bye yeah