Episode 155 — Can Christians Reclaim America? — W/ Pastor Joel Webbon

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Uh if you could tell everybody how how have things been going? You've got quite the lineup. Harrison Smith, yourself, is it Dale Partridge? There's a there's a bunch of guys uh involved with this thing. So, how have things been? It's been good. Um it's I mean we're 6 months in so we started January the beginning of this year and so um it's a lot of work but it's been rewarding so far. So we we feel like there's a lot of potential and um we yeah we invited some different guys to come on the network. So we have Harrison Smith. You probably recognize him. He's been OG faithful guy uh as a right-hand guy to Alex Jones for over eight years at this point. So, he was Infowars. Now, it's Alex Jones network because Infowars got sued uh into oblivion. There's a whole lore and story there. Um and now they're still having to fight legal, you know, lawsuits and things like that from, I believe, The Onion, um is what has taken over Infowars and is trying to drag them through the mud. Uh but anyways, Alex, most people have seen he's spun off now. So, it's the Alex Jones network. They lost the studio there. They had to start over, but they were prepared. Uh they, you know, saw it coming. It was a long time coming. It was, I think, injust, but but they saw it coming. So, anyways, Harrison is now at the Alex Jones network. Uh, but he does a weekly show for us on Fridays. It's called Offlimits News. And so, we appreciate that, which is kind of for Harrison, it's like a a blast from the past because one of the first shows that he ever did uh was Offlimits News. It was either the first show he did with uh on Alex's network, Infowars, or it might actually be something he did before he even was invited by Alex to be one of the the personalities, one of the hosts. And so, we've got him. We've got Dale Partridge. He's a pastor and we appreciate him very much. Uh he's located in Arizona. Um but he does a weekly show on Tuesdays that's uh fantastic. It's called American Glory. um trying to restore American excellence, get our country back to its Christian roots. And then we have Calvin Robinson who always finds himself in trouble uh one way or another. Uh he's going through it right now online. There's been uh there's been some controversy, but uh we appreciate Calvin Robinson very much. Uh he's from uh England, so he's not an American. Uh but he has been here for a while because I'm pretty sure uh well it depends what day of the week it is but there are some days where if he goes back to England they'll arrest him on site and um you know and then there are other days where you know there's hope. Rupert Low is a friend of Calvin's and as many people know he's doing the restore Britain and leading the charge with that. And so their goal is by 2029 like if we can if we can win in parliament by 2029 uh then you know then this is viable. Um but if not if England is just so completely suicidal and has no will to live whatsoever and they can't do it by 2029 then then that's pretty much it. If Rupert Lo is able to win, I would not be surprised to see Calvin go back home. Um, and and that would be great. That'd be great for England. It'd be great for Calvin. Uh, we would miss him, you know, but but still, even from England, he might do a show with us. So, that's pretty much it. It's five shows a week. Uh, me and a couple of of my co-hosts do a show on Monday. It's called Christian Nationalism Weekly. Dale does it on Tuesday, American Glory. Uh, then I do a special interview show on Wednesdays. We just call that the NXR special. That's where we did a 10- part series with Nick Fuentes. Um, that kind of kick things off. And then we've, you know, we've had lots of interviews. We interviewed uh James Fishbach, who's running for governor in Florida, did four-part series with him a while back. We've done uh recently an episode with Thomas Rouso. Yeah. Who is the head of Patriot Front. And then Thursday is Calvin and Friday is Harrison Smith and NXR. New Christian right. New Christian right. Love it. What is uh I guess let's dive into that. What is your uh opinion of Patriot Front and Thomas Rouso now that you've uh had a chance to speak with him? What do you think? I like him. I like him. I'm not going to disparrage him one iota. I appreciate young men who are actually trying to do something. So I I think he's trying to do something. Now you can critique and criticize his methods and say, "Well, I yeah, he's trying to do something, but I don't know if that particular something is going to be good or helpful." Um, and and I get that critique like Nick Fuentes is, you know, he's not a huge fan. Um, but even Nick has softened up a little bit, you know, and said, "All right, you know, like, you know, may maybe there's something there, but I just I don't think that this is the main way that we win back the country." And I'm I'm more partial to Nick, to be honest. Um, and part of it is because it's funny because, you know, Nick and I have very little in common. I'm 40 years old. I have a wife and uh we have our sixth child on the way now. Congratulations. Nick is Thank you. Uh Nick is, you know, he's in his 20s, he's single, he's not married, doesn't have children, and and I'm not, you know, I'm not giving him a hard time for that. I'm just saying that our calculus is different, but at the same time, even though Nick is this 20some year old single man, um he thinks a lot of the same ways that I do as a husband, father, and even a local pastor. pastoring, you know, a church uh in the greater Austin area, north of Austin, Texas. Um, and what I mean by that is Nick has said all along, you know, like people say, "Oh, he's not consistent." He's actually like like scary consistent. I mean, he's been saying the same thing for for 10 years. And sure, the deck rearranges and so there's different applications and different strategies for different moments, but by and large, he he has held the same views. He was an early adopter. Um, and he deserves some credit. Uh but in terms of his tactics, not positions, but even his tactics, there has been one overarching consistent theme, which is he's convinced that look, I'm because people give him flack. They'll say, "Well, you're not doing anything. You're just doing a show. You're just sitting behind a camera whenever you feel like it." You know, he starts his show at like 3:00 a.m. on a Tuesday or, you know, like which is, you know, I mean, he like there's no rhyme or reason, you know, you never know. like it's just the intro music, you know, and it could be for 3 hours, you know, before he, you know, feels like, you know, hopping on. But the point is, um, that sounds like, oh, it's apathetic and he's, you know, there's other guys with skin in the game, you know, but here here's the deal. His strategy is actually, I think, one of the most viable strategies out there. His strategy is that if he does a show that's popular enough and true, it can't just be popular. It can't be less than popular. It has to be popular. M like I remember talking to Nick on the phone and him saying, "Joel, remember whatever you do at the end of the day, you may hate it, you know, as a married man with six kids and pastoring a church and wanting to be serious and wearing your suit jacket all the time, but he's like, you may not like it, but whenever you're doing a show, remember it's a show." Yes. If you're boring, if it's not, you know, if it's not keeping people engaged, then it doesn't matter what you're saying and how true it is. You You have to have numbers. You have to have energy. You have to be entertaining. And so anyway, so Nick is doing a show and half of the show, if you haven't realized it by now, because the clips are are sometimes helpful for him and sometimes not so helpful. But you have to keep in mind that every time Nick fires up the camera, half of this show, two, three hours in length, is standup comedy. half the second half he gets to the super chats. It's just he's he's goofing off and and you know it's partly serious and then partly he's just being funny. Um and and he's not going to sit there and say that was a joke because it ruins the joke. He's just going to go off. You know, he's just going to go off and be comedic and be hyperbolic and be over the top and say something that he doesn't even necessarily mean in the same way that a comedian says plenty of things that they don't actually mean. We understand how comedy works. It's really the the first hour or so of his show, depending what night of the week it is, depending what, you know, if there's something going on geopolitically, where he's actually giving political commentary. That's what he actually believes. That's his views. That's the real the real segment. And so he's doing this entertainment, you know, political commentary slash comedic value slashoverthetop whatever with his um rather larges sized hands proportionately wildly moving around, you know, and and here's his strategy. It all sounds crazy, but here's his strategy. And I and I I think it's so crazy it might just work. His strategy is that if it's true that that first hour, if it's true and inspiring because because it's true and it's also entertaining enough to continue to grow in numbers over the years. His his thought process is that if just 1 to 10% of his listeners, which is almost predominantly young men, if 1 to 10% of them end up being high IQ, high caliber, excellent, um, high producers, that they will work their themselves into the halls of power politically, recapture the GOP, um, economically, in the realm of business, and all these different, you know, areas of influence and that they will actually eventually be able to take back the country from seats of power. That's actually I I'm not I I don't think we should disparage that. I think that's a viable strategy. And so for Nick, it's it's yeah, it's a show and that's that's who he is. That's what he's doing. One day if it's safer, right? I mean, like, have we how soon have we forgotten Charlie Kirk, who was always a moderate on his best days? And I like Charlie, but like he was always a moderate on his best days. Charlie Kirk platformed homosexuals. Um, he platformed orthodox Jews. I'm not talking ethnic Jews. I mean like Ben Shapiro believing that Jesus is currently burning and hell Jews, right? So, religiously speaking, uh, Hindus, VC, Ramaswami, I'm looking at you. Mormons, Glenn Beck, uh, atheists. Don't forget about James Lindsay. And not just with TPUSA, right? Not just with Amfest, but even under the religious wing of TPUSA, namely TPUSA Faith. TPUSA Faith hosted James Lindsay, I believe, at least three or four times. One of those at least, if not two, was at a pastor's summit. So, a Christian conference, TPUSA Faith Pastor Summit. You have James Lindsay who literally spent 10 years of his life trying to destroy Christianity with the the movement of the new atheist, right? So, and and I'm not trying to spit on Charlie's grave. I think he did a lot of good. But I'm just saying that maybe we can show a little bit of charity, right? A little bit of grace that Nick doesn't want to go and do a rally tomorrow. Um why? Well, because like the most moderate guy ever, ever was called a fascist and shot in the neck and then half of America celebrated it, you know? So Nick's going to do a show. Everybody has their different gifts. Everybody has their own costbenefit analysis. They have to take risks for their own life, their own person. That's what Nick's doing. Thomas Rouso is like the polar opposite. Very similar views, but on the other side of the aisle. So Thomas Russo of course is is by conviction. He he's like, "No, we cannot simply be doing shows. We need to get into the fray. We need to take back our country." And so he's going to do demonstrations, political demonstrations and rallies and you know what they did in Washington DC at the 250th year anniversary. And you ask me, you know, what do I think about him? A lot of people are saying it's a fat op. Um, no. You know it's not a fed off. You know it's not. And I'll tell you how you know. Because they didn't find pipe bombs, right? U because nobody was hurt. Because uh none of them were carrying weapons and didn't shoot Ashley Babbot. You know, like you know it's a fed op when people die. You know it's a fed op when there's bombs, when guns go off, right? Because the feds are actually wicked and destroy things and destroy people. So if you see 400 men with their face covered, I know that might be jarring. It might be alarming. But the reason why their face is covered is because we live in an insane country that would absolutely ruin these men's lives, ruin the futures of their children, won't want to hunt down their wives and physically harm them if their identity was ever doxed. That's why they're covering their face not because they're crazy. They're covering their identity because our country is crazy. That if anybody stands up for white people, then they're the most demonic, evil, sinister group on the planet. So that there there's 400 guys. But here's my point. 400 guys wearing sunglasses covering their face. None of them are armed. And they have strict strict policies. You cannot get into Patriot. I I I couldn't get into Patriot Front because I I think I'm too old at at 40 years old. There is a strict application process. And you know who doesn't get in? Retards. [laughter] If you're [ __ ] if you're a going to be committing unforced errors, you're a liability. Thomas is not going to let you in. So, all these guys, here's my point. They are upstanding citizens. They are disciplined, right? They all show up to this uh to this event in Washington DC for the 250th year anniversary of the country. Not a single one is armed by design because no, we're not even going to carry. It's a constitutional right. We're not carrying because we're we're veiling our identity. You kind of have to pick one. You can wear a mask or you can wear a gun, but we're, you know, so we're wearing a mask. We are peaceful absolutely by design. Um and so my point is like could a Fed infiltrate Patriot Fund? Yes. Is it Fed run? Is it a Fed op? See, that's a different question. And I think the answer to the latter is a resounding no. So, what do I think? Um, what I think about Thomas Rouso is I think he's a disciplined young man. He's very sharp, very intelligent, knows the founders like the back of his hand, wants to do good for the country. I don't think he hates anybody. I don't think he hates black people just by virtue of them being black. He's not hating people. I asked him that point blank our interview. He doesn't hate people for for the way they were born or anything like that. But he he believes that white people have been disparaged. The founders told us who they were doing it for for us and our posterity. It wasn't for India. It wasn't for the Sudan. Um and he's trying to make a difference. And he thinks the way to make a difference is uh men taking action saying there are more of us than you know, right? Because a lot of people are able to to kind of just slough off the Nick Fuentes of the world and just say, "Well, yeah, he has a big audience, but they all live in their mom's basement." Or, you know, Nick's audience, I bet it's a bunch of people from Qatar, you know, or whatever. It's not even Americans. These gripers are all a bunch of, you know, Sudin Muslims or what. Um, and so Thomas wants to say, "No, there are more of us than you know, and we are now going to be marching through your town. You could be sitting down in a restaurant and you're going to feel the presence, right? Kind of like a Bane Batman's. Do you feel in charge, right? Like like Rosa farts, you know, like 5 seconds earlier, she's pulling her pants down on the bus and then all of a sudden she finds her manners, right? With the presence of strong white men. It's amazing what the presence of strong white men can do for someone. You know, there she is. You pulled it up on the screen. A rose farts is what I call her. [laughter] Then look how well behaved and and on both sides of the aisle, right? Patriot front, they're abusing her. No, they're being perfectly civil, just riding the bus. No threats. That's the safest bus ride of farts has probably ever been on, right? Surrounded by nothing but white men. God bless. So, so the point is that um Thomas Russo feels like a physical presence, not just digital, not just a show, not just complaining on X, but a physical presence actually has power. He's right. Nick believes that over time, red pilling enough young men and some of them being excellent and smart to then be able to infiltrate, right? they're not a part of some organization and they they don't risk ever being doxed but slowly infiltrate the halls of power politically and economically that that will produce change. He's also right. I think they're both right. That that's my answer. Yeah. Yeah. I I think that a lot of what's happening on the internet [snorts] um the [clears throat] infighting and whatnot I really think that it I mean I get it. You know there's a discussion to be had there. There's an argument to be had there. But yeah, there there was a book that I read a while ago. I've actually got a copy of it here. It's called Action uh by Jean Usay. It's a manual for the restoration of or the reconstruction of Christendom. Great book, by the way. I don't know if it's still in print. This edition is from IHS Press. But one of the interesting things in this book uh that it kind of drills over and over again is everybody everywhere doing whatever they can with what they have, right? all tactics uh need to be pursued uh in in uh in the pursuit of victory. Um you know there there's a I think a tendency among people to [snorts] want to have like one super organization that covers everything uh where it's like you know this is our group and it'll fix every single problem. And you know there's times when I think actually that's not the right tact. It is a good thing to have a immigration watchdog group and all they focus on is immigration or another one that's about, you know, getting rid of property taxes and lobbying on behalf of that or another group that's lobbying uh to to reduce H-1Bs. And so you've got all of these particular groups uh that should be able to work in concert with one another without having to create this superorg that does everything. And then of course because that reduces the amount of surface area I guess for the left to attack. You know if if all they have to do is take out one group one organization and it's done. I don't think that's good. Whereas having a diversity maybe diversity is our strength but having a diversity of different organizations it makes it much harder uh for the left or for our enemies uh to kind of stamp it down. uh because as soon as you you take out one org, boom, another one pops up in its place and the fight continues. And so I think that a lot of it's just like a a false dichotomy for people that are that are on the internet a little too much. And you know, I've got a lot of friends actually that have joined Patriot Front over the last year. Uh, one of them actually because we we did a uh we did an interview with Thomas about six months or seven months ago or something like that and we had a couple people that wound up joining Patriot Front uh after after seeing him and it's like it's to me it just strikes it strikes me as like Boy Scouts honestly it's like what the Boy Scouts should be doing you know young men teaching them teamwork skills going out in the woods camping marching in formation like it's Boy Scouts man these aren't extremist, you know, in any other era of American history, you know, maybe prior to World War II, this would have been totally normal and encouraged. So, um, yeah, I I think that there's a lot of, um, kind of internal strife that that doesn't necessarily need to be there among the movement. Yeah, absolutely. I I agree. Um, my honestly probably one of my only critiques uh in regards to Thomas Russo and what he's doing with Patriot Front is and I understand I [clears throat] understand his strategy and his thought process, but um I you know for us it's NXR. It's the new Christian right and um and so for me it's it's uh it's Christian nationalism or bust. Um I I don't think there's any other way. And even if there was another way, I don't want it. I it's Christ or or chaos. I I want America to be a Christian nation. I don't want it to just merely be a white nation. I want I want the our country back. And the country that we had was not just that it was, you know, 85 90% white. Um but it was 90 95% Christian. Yeah. It was God-fearing. Yes. And so that's that's what, you know, what we're aiming at. And that's kind of, you know, to to distinguish myself a little bit from Patriot Front, not because I'm ashamed of them or anything like that, but just, you know, so that your audience knows the difference. Um, Patriot Front, you can read, you know, in their on their website or if you're looking to apply, um, you'll see that on the religious section, which is not a major emphasis, but it'll say, you know, any of the historical European faiths, which means pagans a little bit of Thor action. Yeah, [laughter] you got some Zeus action. You know, you've got you've got what what I would call the dead gods. Because here's the deal from a Christian perspective, and I talked to Thomas about this. Um I don't I don't believe that all false gods are fake gods. A false god is a false god because it's not the one true God, the superior God, right? The triune God. Um but but a lot of false gods are not fake gods. um they're just from our point in history, they're just dead gods or disarmed gods or silenced gods. So when you look at Greek mythology, you know, you look at Zeus, you look at Poseidon and these kinds of I I actually think that they were on to something, right? I don't think we should be so hottie uh to look back in antiquity and think, you know, they were primitive and archaic and stupid and now we're enlightened and smart and um I I think they were giving credence to real spiritual powers, real entities because the whole biblical narrative is that God created the world in six days and then this created cosmos, God set Adam, a creature made in his image. He set him up as viceroy, right? An ambassador, someone to reflect God's own image in the world, the physical world that God had made. So he gives stewardship or you know the biblical word would be dominion. So God gives dominion to Adam to rule, exercise dominion over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and the beast of the field, over his wife. Well, feminism's hardest hit, you know, and over all his posterity that Adam is going to reign as as an image bearer of the living God over the created order and his sons will also they will have authority. Um, and and that's kind of that's the plan. That's the design. Adam through his sin forfeits dominion to Satan, to the serpent. The serpent then upon having dominion, he is then becomes the prince of the air. Right? Woe to you, O earth. The scripture says, for the devil has been cast down to you. Right? So this great angelic battle in the stars between the archangel Michael and all those who remained faithful to the Lord versus Satan, Lucifer, and a third of the stars swept down from heaven. Those fallen angels who followed him. When Adam sinned, God is in ultimate authority. He gives dominion, a viceroy, regency, stewardship to Adam. Adam for forfeits it to Satan. Satan, as far as we can tell biblically, then distributes, divvies up authority to all of these different his minions, all the different fallen angels who chose to side with him. This is like the book of Daniel when uh the the messenger angel finally arrives with a message from God for Daniel and he says, "I'm sorry that I was delayed. I was held up in Persia and he says that he was doing warfare, had to battle, fight the prince of Persia." And the Bible also uses these two phrases, prince um princes and principalities. Well, the prince is actually referring not to a human civil ruler, but rather to a demonic spiritual entity. The principality is a reference to a physical region, just like Canada has providence uh provinces, you know, or we have states. And so the world was was split up into different providences, different principalities, regions. And Satan divvied up his power that he gained because Adam forfeited it. divied it up to fallen angels who were subservient to him. So the idea that there would be some kind of spiritual entity that has some degree of power, God ultimately reigning above all of it, but some degree of real power, not just makeelieve over wind and waves. Like his principality, his region was the sea. And some know him as old Neptune, and some know him as Poseidon, but we know him as a fallen angel. That's not actually preposterous from a Christian worldview. That actually makes perfect sense. The problem with paganism in the year of our Lord 2026. If it was 500 BC and I'm talking to some Druids or, you know, whatever Vikings from from uh, you know, Nordic Vikings and they're like, "Yeah, we, you know, we serve Odin." I'd be like, "I get it, guys, but you you need to stop." And the reason why you need to stop is because the triune God, he's the one who created all things, including Od Odin. Odin was actually one of his angels who who fell away and you know so you need to repent of your sins and serve all I'm telling you to do is one because it's morally right but but second because it's actually true um you should serve the strongest God and here is the one true God the Christian God that would be my approach again if it was 500 BC in 2026 it's I'm not just saying oh it's silly because we're we're enlightened and and we're modern and and we of science. No, no, no, no. I'm saying that Colossians chapter 2 says that by his death and resurrection that Jesus held these spiritual entities and powers to open shame. He defeated them and disarmed them according to Colossians chapter 2 that the one lethal weapon. Satan still roars uh roams around like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour. Uh, demonic entities are real and they can still push and prod. They still have some kind of power, but they only ever had one lethal weapon. The lethal weapon was you and I are uncancled sin. The one lethal weapon Satan had is that he could actually look at the true God as the great accuser of the brethren and say, "Uh, you I don't just have to destroy Joel. You must destroy Joel Webbon because he has committed cosmic treason against you. And you, oh God, are a just God who by no means, Exodus 20, the Decalogue, by no means will pardon the wicked. And so upon your own character and your own just standards, you must destroy and punish Joel forever. That was Satan's lethal weapon. The lethal weapon was our unforgiven sin, which Christ canled by nailing it to the cross by his death and resurrection. And so now all these other gods, they're false gods. Always were, but not fake gods. False gods, but but real, but they are at the same time post the finished work of Christ. They're still real, but they're defanged. They're disarmed. And and so to to cry out to Thor that that is probably just a Greek understanding of of a real angelic entity fallen but now its hands tied behind its back because of the finished work of Christ or to reach out to Poseidon or to reach out to Zeus. You're calling upon not fake gods but dead gods. There is one true living God. So all that being said, long way of saying that but that's that's the pastor in me. Uh Thomas Russo, I understand he wants to draw the the broadest paint with the broadest strokes that he possibly can to simply get guys to care about the country and to care about the plight of white people being disparaged, being disenfranchised, being dassinated, and being erased. And I get that. Um but for me, um we need the one true living God to bless our endeavors. And he's not going to bless any endeavor where light fellowships with darkness with Christ and be elible where where you have Jesus and Thor. Yeah. No, I I I would agree with that. And you know, there's a lot of stuff and I I should probably do like a whole episode about this. Maybe this would be a a good topic for a show at NXR Studios sometime, but I'm sure you know about this guy van list, right? He's the one that kind of resurrected this neopagan movement that was going on. And what's crazy is the claims that he's made that the Jewish Cababala originated from ancient Germanic Aryan secret traditions and that the teachings were given to Jewish rabbis for safekeeping. And this is the tradition that the modern neopagans are going with. It's literally Jewish. It's literally from the Cabala, the Cabala or whatever. That's That's rough. And it's like, I did not know that, bro. Oh, yeah. You've got to look into it because the more that you dig into it, the more um I've at least kind of become [clears throat] uh convinced that there is some unholy thing going on between like the pagans and the Jews. And it's like, you know, they both hate Jesus, so they got that in common. Uh, you know, and if if you really do want to get into it, the oldest pagan tradition is converting to Christianity. [laughter] Amen. That's Yeah, I say it all the time. The most Jewish thing you can do is reject Christ. And the most pagan thing you can do is convert to Christ. And so, you're absolutely right. Um, it's it's funny though. uh some of some of the um some of the things that happen like this is not just in the Bible or within Christian lore. Um but but there are um documented historical documents from Tiberius. So, Tiberius would have been uh the emperor at the time of of this this small window of a couple decades, few years uh with with the incarnation, the earthly ministry and its completion uh with Christ. And at that time you can find from his writings um about uh the great Greek god Pan where uh he asked for people to come and like I I heard this we've all heard this rumor and so he calls people who are eyewitnesses to bear testimony to where um basically um Pan this Greek god it was a guy was on a ship and I'm probably going to butcher the story but he was on a ship and he had like a vision he heard a voice, audible voice tell him that when he came up to the shores, these Greek shores of these Greek islands to announce that the great god Pan is dead. And he announces it and there happened to be all these people on the shores and there's there's weeping and nashing of teeth and and great lamentation um that the great god Pan is dead and it's like they anticipated it because their own oracles were silent. they they they were they there there'd already been a decline in their ability to produce certain divinations. Um on the other side of the world, these are these are independent lines of witness that that never even cross each other's paths. They did not even know of Rome or Jerusalem or or of Jesus. But um in Asia, I forget exactly what location. I I want to say somewhere, you know, you know, China. But in Asia um there uh there was an emperor and around this same time frame this 8030 8031 time frame um they they saw the sky on a certain day actually darken. there was uh that the whole sky went dark and he said of it trying to make sense of it. He said, "Yin and Yong have reversed one another." And he said, and then he went further and he said, "On this day, something cosmic has taken place. The sins of all the world have been laid upon one man." Other side of the planet, you can look it up. It's the these are historic accounts. And and he's saying something just happened. We have caught wind of it on the other side of the planet. We we have known through our own divination, through our own and and what I think is again going back to these principalities, different regions and princes, demonic entities ruling over them. All these different nations had different gods. They had different powers, you know, they had their their magi and their abilities to to for divination and oracles and prophecies and all these kinds of things. And I think that one of those those gods over there um relayed the message to them and said uh yeah uh it's so over. [laughter] It's so over. Uh we have been defeated. We did not see this one coming. um the sins of the world, the thing that we were using to hold you hostage so that you would be subservient to us with your human sacrifices and with these offerings and with that um yeah, we no longer have leverage anymore because the thing that gave us leverage was your unforgiven sin that all of you are it's guilt. It's the guilt of man that gives leverage to demonic powers and and all that guilt has been absorbed by one man. Um even within Jewish tradition tradition uh it's it's fascinating but um one of the traditions of tying to a goat a um a thread of of um what is it of wool a thread of sheep's wool to a goat. And this would would be, you know, one of the goats was a burnt offering, but the other was sent out in the wilderness. The scapegoat. The scapegoat. I was going to say, was this a Judas goat or the scapegoat? Yeah, the scapegoat. So, the one that was sent away, right? Because the sins are forgiven, atoned for, but also forgotten. And so the scapegoat that would um the you know the sins of Israel imputed to this goat through their their traditions which at a certain time actually did come from God but no longer after the finished work of Christ. Uh it would be sent into the wilderness. But one of the things that would happen is they would take this thread this wool and tie it to the goat. And whenever the goat, if it was ever found again or returned or something like that, uh the wool, they would have dipped it before sending it away in blood. It would be scarlet. Though our sins, Isaiah, are like scarlet, you have made them white as snow. And whenever they found the goat again, this scarlet thread dipped in blood tied to the uh the the the goat, this wool would be white again. um it would it would be done. Um and what happened is after the resurrection of Christ, they continued this tradition, but the the wool on the scapegoat kept coming back still bloody. It never turned white ever again. So within Jewish tradition, within Asian tradition, within Roman uh tradition and Greek tradition, in AD30, give or take a couple years around that window, what you have is all around the world, everyone is reporting in and saying our deities died. Our traditions, religious practices, and ordinances all stopped working, our oracles all stopped speaking. silence from the gods um because they've been stripped. He held them to open shame. Um and so I Yeah. For for me it's it's it's I know it sounds cliche, but it's Jesus. Yeah. My my life is Christ. Yeah. He's he's everything. He's everything. I don't want I don't want to just see my my posterity live a comfortable life. And and granted, I mean, if we could send a 100 million people back, it would be a much more comfortable life, but I don't want them to be comfortable for 85 years and die and go to hell. Right. Right. So, no, [snorts] and I was going to say, you know, there is this uh you know, you're making me you're making me think today. Uh there's another book, really good book, uh came out back in the day. What what year was this published? 1930 something probably. Let's see what year. Uh 43. But this is the kingship of Christ uh and organized naturalism. And this just you're reminding me of this by Father Dennis Fehee, by the way. Um because we've got things that are wrong in this country at a natural level. Like getting invaded by 100 million foreigners, that's wrong on on a natural level. That's right. Uh abortion is wrong on a natural level. Murdering your own child is wrong on a natural level. uh sodomy is wrong on a natural level, but the solution to these things can't just be a purely naturalistic solution. Um and a lot of times, like I've got a great friend, uh Wayne Hoffman, he he's the one that hired me at the Idaho Freedom Foundation. He's Jewish, um but more of a libertarian. But the thing that's always funny, and I've talked about this with him, is that all of the solutions that he proposes are natural solutions. Like, oh yeah, if we if we cut, you know, the spending, if we cut this program and we do X, Y, and Z, things will uh sh set the the ship right. But it's like, but we we're dealing with maybe the natural um developments, but it's a it's a spiritual sickness. It's a supernatural sickness. And so the solution needs to come from super nature in my opinion, right? And I guess the the reason why I hold out hope for that is because I see through the cross a way for different nations to be able to work with one another and relate to one another through suffering, through Christ's suffering on the cross. But without that, yeah, I how do I I don't have anything in common with the the black community or the the Mexicans or whatever. Like if it if it's not based on our common relationship to our creator, then yeah, why would I cooperate? Why would I work with you? And so I I think as as things continue to get worse, we're basically going to be given two paths. One is going to be violence, and the other one is going to be accepting the violence that has been done to Christ already and kind of applying that to the the present situation, applying the blood of Christ to what we're what we're dealing with, right? I mean there's um there's no that's well said that I mean that's the gospel that's that's perfectly well said is like we're we are going to do like you know it's like violence is never the answer and then you read history books and it's like oh snap you know violence is literally always the answer um like always the answer and I'm not advocating for violence um but there really are only two paths um it's it's not whether but which it will be violence but it's the violence that Christ has already suffered on our behalf, right? It's the nations, you think of Isaiah 65, the nations beat their swords into plowshares. Um that the nations no longer know war. Um peace, reconciliation with one another only comes by first being reconciled to God. And we're reconciled to God by blood, by violence, by the blood of his son. And apart from that, not only are we left in a state of immity towards our creator, towards God himself, but also immity towards one another, but my concern, David, is um I part of the reason I'm doing everything that I'm doing with, you know, NXR and all all this stuff, all of our endeavors. If there was one thing that I boiled it down to, it would be this. I am concerned that the pagans and the atheists and the agnostics and whoever else maybe the Muslims I don't know you can name a few I don't think it would actually be the Jews in this case right rare case but you know probably wouldn't be them but all these other non-Christian groups I am am deeply concerned about them um being able to corner a monopoly on nature because Christians have become gnostic. Christians have rejected the natural order, the natural world, that we have overspiritualized everything. Uh because the reality is it's like a lot of a lot of my Christian friends are still just regurgitating the same old tired tropes of just saying, "Well, you know, uh we're just things are rough." I admit it, Joel. you know, there's there's a lot of violence and a lot of crime and there's a lot of this and there's a lot of that and you know, we just we need revival. And here's the deal. I would love if God chose to send revival, but God's sovereign. He he gets that's his choice, right? We do the work of evangelists and we preach and we pray and we seek to make disciples and have good Christian homes and share the gospel with our neighbors and all these things. But, but revival is not manufactured by man. Uh that's something that God has to God has to do. we can kind of put together the kindling, but the Lord has to send the fire, you know, and and and so my point is, okay, if if that's your view as a Christian, if you're basically saying we can't have a country unless God sends a supernatural revival where a super majority of the nation out of 350 million people, you know, like 75, 80, 85% of them are regenerate, born again, become Christians, genuinely Christians. And apart from that, you can't have a country. Here's what's going to happen. Every young man with an IQ above room temperature is going to say, "Yeah, but what about Japan? They're 2% Christian, but they have a well-ordered society. Why?" And then they're going to look at China, right? And then they're going to look at this nation and that. They'll probably also look at the Weimar Republic, you know, while they're at it. and they're going to start stacking up all this evidence and they're going to realize, wait a second, um, you're telling me that the reason everything is bad in our country with crime and and economically and drag queen story hour and all this stuff and abortion, you know, the slaughter of our own unborn children is is simply is simply because um, we don't have enough Christians. We don't have a majority of the country that's Christians. But I can find other nations that by simply natural revelation, right? There's special revelation scripture. There's natural revelation or general revelation nature. That that's a book that is also written by God. It's important that that that we understand this. I hope your listeners, they they're probably a sharp bunch. They probably know this, but God actually wrote two books. Special revelation prophecies, right? Uh the apostles commissioned to write scripture. These kinds of things. a special revelation. But then there's natural revelation. That's the second book also written by the hand of God. Right? Romans chapter 1 says that even creation itself testifies truly. It it speaks a true testimony to the character and nature of God, his divine power or eternal power and divine majesty. And so my my point is that uh unregenerate non-Christian people like the people in Japan are able to look like the Greeks and Romans pre Christ. They're able to look to God's message written in the fabric of creation itself and from that deduce, conclude, and order a society. They're able to look at that and say, "Hey, killing our own children is not viable. Hey, letting in the entire third world is not viable. Hey, having men dress up as women is not viable. Hey, sodomy, it's not viable. Right? I mean, these are things you don't have to be a Christian to realize because every single person is made in the image of God. And and by being made in his image, the non-believer still has rationale, um a a conscience, these kinds of things, right? You can be a non-Christian and cure cancer. You can be a non-Christian and and win a Nobel Prize, right? A lot of Jews have done it, you know? So, uh you you can be someone made in the image of God apart from saving faith and still from nature, which is a book written by the hand of God, deduce true things that lend towards um societal um stability. And so, my concern is this. My concern is if Christians won't ever talk about race and if they won't ever talk about patriarchy, if they won't ever talk about these kinds of things within the natural order, then non-Christians eventually will. It's only a matter of time. Cuz I actually don't think that America just goes up in flames. I actually don't think I mean it's rough right now, but I actually don't think that that those of European descent are ultimately just wiped off the face of the map. Um right, white dormcancy, look it up. It's a thing. Um eventually they're going to fight back. High IQ men will rise through the ranks. They will fight back. They will come to these conclusions. And when when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making the changes, the changes will be made. And so these things will happen. And it it's not again going back to this old adage, it's not whether but which. It's not whether white people will wake up and make changes like Japan, right? Like other non-Christian. It's it's not whether it'll happen. It's it's which group will lead the charge. Will it be pagan white people, atheist white people, agnostic white people, or white people who've all converted to Islam, Muslim white people, or will it be Christians? And if Christians keep saying, "Ew, icky, natural order, eo icky." And and overspiritualize everything, then what what the Gen Z and Jin Alpha, what all these young men as they rise up and as they age, what they're going to determine is that Christianity, they're going to say, "Oh, it's not a bug. It's a feature. It's a feature. Christianity is suicidal." Right? Christianity is a world view. They're literally going to they're already coming to this conclusion. They're going to say Christianity is a Jewish scop to get Europeans to genocide themselves. Oh, and the teaching is right here. It's it's literally they they said it out loud. Jesus said, "Turn the other cheek." And they're going to focus in on those passages without good biblical hermeneutics, right? Without looking at the church fathers and and and and being able to understand a whole biblical view. And they're going to say, "There it is. um we our people are being destroyed and Christianity is actually the mechanism of our destruction and they will reject it and you know what what will happen what will happen because God will not be mocked the scripture says a man reaps what he sws right if you do orderly things in life you actually will have an orderly life you'll die and go to hell but you will have an ordered society so what'll happen is they'll reject Christianity they'll clean up the country and uh like Nick Fuentes would say, "And we will live in paradise, right? Women will shut up. Some ethnic groups will be in prison disproportionately more than other ethnic groups, right? The like these things will happen." Um, but here's the deal. You'll have a well-ordered so society where people will live for 85 years with exorbitant wealth and maybe we'll actually get to Mars and we'll do this and we'll do that and and we'll be incredibly prosperous and you can not lock your doors or your windows anymore at night and your kids can ride their bikes in the culde-sac like we used to when we were growing up in the 80s and the '9s. But we won't be a Christian nation and every single one of our sons and daughters will have 85 good years. But they will burn in hell forever. And it will be because there was a moment of decision when all of a sudden our whole country, our people were realizing, "We've got to make a change." And Christians said, "Uh-uh, icky. Uh-uh. Race, uh-uh, race is just a social construct. There's no difference between Haiti and and dude, there's neither Jew nor Greek nor Gentile or Roman or Right. You know, dude, if if Christians keep saying that there's one race, the human race, you just oneshotted Christianity for all of your posterity. I'm telling you, it is it is not if. It is simply a matter of when. I I'll predict it right now here on the air. I would say within 20 to 50 years, if you double down, right? If it's one or two Christians, fine. We can we can push them back and put them, you know, in a closet, you know, gag time or whatever. But if if that becomes the majority report from Christian pastors in America, one race, the human race, um in 20 to 50 years, what will happen is that Christianity in the west will be concluded, determined that it was a scop and that it's a liability and the west will be restored to its natural order. But apart from Christ and the eternal the eternal destination of every son of the west will be the just wrath of God in hell forever. And I don't want to see that. So I'm actually sitting. They think I'm the bad guy. Like dude, I'm holding back the pagan hordes behind me. You don't you don't want to see what comes if I lose. I'm trying to say no no no no no. We have Christian precedent for this. Yes. We don't need Thor. Right. And and oh oh you mean Christian like uh Adolf Hitler. Well, you can debate back and forth about that. I'm not a big fan of Hitler. Okay, you might be, but whatever. I it's it's not a big deal. I think we got to move past Hitler and get over it. Um but here's the deal. I'm not talking about Hitler as a last Christian prince. I'm talking about George Washington. I'm talking about our American founding fathers who absolutely were Christian, who absolutely were American, and absolutely believed that men and women were different. that that it's not just Johnny and Jackie, but it's also Johnny and Jamal, right? That God made differences all the way down. And it doesn't require misogyny or racism in terms of actually hating people on the basis of their ethnicity. That you don't have to have a heart filled with hate. You can love people. You can be benevolent. But there is an understanding that God built a world of distinctions. And distinctions necessarily create disparities. And we don't we don't celebrate those disparities. We're not happy about those disparities, but they do exist. And the best thing that we can do, it's not just good for white people. It's not just good for the West. I I I believe that Christianity is good for the world. The best the very best that some African nations have ever done is when they're colonized by white Christians. And I'm not saying that all of colonization was without error, right? Because people sin. White people sin, black people sin, Christians sin. Sadly, we're still sinners saved by grace. And so that there were some atrocities that were committed. I'm not saying that it was all just, but there was a lot of good also. And we threw out the baby with a bathwater. You You want Africa to succeed? So do I. You know what Africa Africa has proven for thousands of years now? They need someone to hold their hand. They They do. And And I'm not trying to disparrage them. They're made in the image of God. They are human beings. I will not buy in I I think it is atrocious and and wrong. I will not buy into subhuman uh uh rhetoric. Not doing that. They are human beings made in the image of God. But but they are behind drastically. And what they need is a helping hand. They don't need to be sent on boats and planes by millions and millions to the west. But what they do need is to actually be sent by boats and planes out of the west for us to get our own house in order. The Bible talks about this. Get your own house in order first. Immense prosperity burst. I mean we would be so rich. It'd be insane. It would be insane. And then what you do is you send doctors, medics, engineers, politicians, plasters to go and settle African nations and say we are here to help you. We're going to teach you medicine. We're going to teach you this. We're going to help you build a society. And we're also going to catechize you and teach you Christ. And if you try to harm anyone, we'll kill you. Okay? But we love you. We do love you. We want your best. Um, we could just leave you here. Africa, the way God kind of made the world, it's kind of secluded. It's like God kind of trapped them in there. Maybe he had a reason. I I don't know. But, but they're kind, you know, you could just leave them to live in their huts, you know, forever. Or you could be Christian, right? We're [clears throat] Christian. You could be compassionate and benevolent. But you you know what actually actually hamstrings a person's ability to exercise compassion? Their unwillingness to acknowledge that by God's grace, they're actually ahead. For me to exercise compassion to someone else, it actually requires that I not have self-righteousness and view myself more highly than I ought, but I also in the same turn don't view myself more lowly than I I ought to. If I'm going to be compassionate towards someone in need, I have to at least acknowledge reality that they are in greater need than me. The reason I should help is because I am in a better situation, because I'm better off. And so we have to be able to say, you know what, um there are some people who are higher and lower, right? This is natural order. The centurion man who who wants Jesus to come and heal his servant. Jesus says, "All right, I'll come." And he says, [clears throat] "No, no, I'm not worthy for you even to step into my house." He said, "I'm a man under authority. I know how authority works." And so you just say the word, right? We understand hierarchy. But if we reject that and we just say every blank slism everybody's the same one race the human men and women exactly the same like at every level sexual egalitarianism racial egalitarianism all this egalitarianism which is just literalism is the antithesis of Christianity if we double down on that as Christians someone is eventually going to buck the trend and when they buck the trend they're going to determine that Christianity was a liability rather than an asset in Christianity in the west will be done for a very long time eventually by God's grace I think it would come back but it would be a dark age for a long time. Oh yeah. Yeah. And you know this is one of those things that I never really see people I think adequately address. And it's just like you know for for well let's even say 1500 years in the west Christianity was the law of the land. And they didn't surrender their nations. They didn't allow themselves to get invaded. They did the Crusades for crying out loud. So, the idea that Christianity is a suicidal, self-destructive religion for Western white men, that it's a scop, uh, you know, to to worship a Jew on a stick, which is what I always hear. Uh, [snorts] I I think that's just an ahistorical argument. Um, but, you know, you you did mention a couple of things and I I want to be mindful of your time. We uh we're coming up here on an hour. I don't know how much uh time that you have. I do feel my phone vibrating. My wife has called a couple times. So, but go ahead. Let's let's give it 10 minutes. I was going to say I do have some super chats and I want to deal with those. Uh, but I also wanted to uh kind of draw some attention. Um, so you mentioned the kingship of Christ. You know, we we're talking about this idea of restoring America and that this restoration should be, I think, rightfully led by Christians, by true Christians, not Zionist Christians. uh not not Christians that want to murder children in Manab, Iran, but like actual actual Christians uh that want to restore the kingship of Christ, restore all things in Christ. Um and you know, there's a part of that which I just wanted to point out is because you you're mentioning all of all of these souls going to hell uh in an America where a naturalist, let's say, restores order. Um, this is something that I think is forgotten even by many uh of our Christian- elected officials is that when you are like for example the mayor of a city or governor of a state, you're not just entrusted with the people's physical well-being, keeping their taxes low, keeping the roads good, but you are also to a certain degree entrusted with their souls. And as their leader, your one of your priorities should be as a Christian to help bring about the um conditions wherein your subjects, your citizens, your electorate, your constituents are actually able to save their souls. Right. So well said. The civil magistrate has an obligation to order earthly life in such a way that it orients people, his citizens towards heavenly life. Yes. Amen. Amen. And I so I think and I could be wrong here, but you've got a conference coming up this November called the Christ is King Conference, America after Trump. Is this something that will be discussed at said conference? Absolutely. We are we will be talking about Christian nationalism. We will be talking about our civil rulers. They must be Christian men and they must order a a well-ordered society in such a way that earthly life in this civil sphere points us towards heavenly life. That's not forced conversions by the sword by the way. uh but it's simply having within your culture within your your polace having uh an acknowledgement an unapologetic and public acknowledgement of of the Christian truth like these United States had once upon a time uh there wasn't forced religion in the United States ever u but there were certain certain policies for instance uh blue laws Sabbathkeeping well why was that because everyone if they didn't go to church, they'd be shot in the head. No, America never did that. We've always had more religious liberty than many other nations. And yet, even with all our religious liberty, in the American context, there were still Sabbath laws. Why? Because because the marketplace needed to be ordered in such a way that it was conducive towards heavenly life. And so that that was the thought process behind it. We're not going to force people to go to church, but we don't want as a civil magistrate to orchestrate the economy and society and and Wall Street in such a way that it actually incentivizes people to be distracted from the higher things. So that that idea will be one of many that will be discussed at this conference. Um we have pastor Brian Sove and pastor Eric Khan. Uh they will be there from Refuge uh Refuge Church Ogden, Utah. We've got JP Sears. He will be there. We've got James Fishbach who is running for governor of the state of Florida. He's going to be there. We'll have Calvin Robinson. We'll have Dale Partridge. We'll have myself and Harrison Smith. All the NXR network guys. Uh we also have, let me think, Alex Stein, right? Because it's every single time, but not every single Stein. Alex Stein is a friend. We appreciate him. Who else do we have? Let me look. I think I nailed it. That That's it. And oh, and Joshua Hayes. Joshua HS is a great friend. Um, so we have 10 people and we actually have some surprise guest announcements that we'll be making. I'm not ready to make one today, but be making in the coming weeks and months as we get closer to this conference. But you'll notice, David, that there's literally I I mean, it's a pretty low low bar, I'll admit. Um, but there's only two criteria that I had for this. It's nobody um saintthood was not one of the criteria. um a perfect life was not one of the criteria. The the only criteria was that um that each man at this conference has a a profession of faith that they at least claim to be a Christian and that they would be credle, right? So not confessional. I'm not just going with some autistic really particularly reformed Protestant confession of faith. Although I I am a Protestant, so help me God. And there are parts of me that that that still love that parts of of you know my autistic side. Um but I was like no I I I want it to be creedle right. So everybody who's speaking at this conference is someone who could affirm the apostles creed right the nine creed. So this would this would be broad enough by design to incorporate Protestants and Catholics and Eastern Orthodox all the three main strains of Christianity creedle not confessional by design. Mhm. Um the second criteria is they are all men. There will be no boss babes and it's not because we hate women or anything like that. Uh people all the time they're like they they think that they got me in a corner that it's hypocrisy, you know, or it's some double standard. It's like if Candace Owens called me right now and said, "Joel, do you want to come on the show?" You know what I would say? Yes. Do you know why? Because I'm not stupid. Candace Owens has a massive platform that reaches millions of people. And if I can go on her platform and preach the gospel and share views that I believe are Christian and true and historic and right to a large audience, of course I'm going to do that, right? is the same as as a pastor who's, you know, who's patriarchal and has male eldership or male bishops or whatever, whether he's Catholic or Protestant who gets a call from Fox, you know, hey, Laura Ingram wants to interview on he he does it. He does it and he doesn't get on the show and say, "And Laura Ingram, you should be home with your children." Like, he doesn't he doesn't patronize her, but he also takes the opportunity. Yeah. Um, but there's a difference in going on someone else's platform and being appreciative. Like I am appreciative of Megan Kelly. I am I think she's doing a lot of good stuff. I'm appreciative of Candace Owens. There's some things I disagree with and but I I think by and large people right now it's very popular to hate Candace Owens. I'm sorry. I I don't hate Candace Owens. I appreciate Candace Owens. All right. So there's a lot of women that I do appreciate. Do I think though that they at an individual level would be better served if if they were devoting themselves to what I see as a more feminine domestic role that I think is outlined in scripture, Titus chapter 2, to be keepers of home. Yes, I do. But I I I really think that I can walk and chew gum at the same time. So I can recognize, all right, God in his sovereignty and his providence is doing some things through some women and whatever is good, right? We take the good, chew up the meat, spit out the bones. I praise God for that and I'm grateful for that and I don't want to unnecessarily disparage that. But for me in my house, as for me in my house and who I platform, that's a different calculus. And it's not that I don't think any woman no woman has anything to offer or that uh Megan Kelly wouldn't have something great to say, but it's just we we for decades like let's just be honest. We we have to we have to be honest if we want God to bless us. We we need we need to be faithful. And for decades now what we've said is look um quick uh they're they're murdering babies. Quick, get a conservative woman to go and talk to them about men are looking at porn. Quick, go get Ali Bastaki to go talk to men about, you know, um, you know, they're doing a drag queen story hour. Quick, you know, go get this. It's the same thing that we did with with black guys, you know. It's like black people are committing crime, you know, and wokeness and BLM riots in the streets. Quick, you know, go get uh Jason Whitlock, you know, or go and I like Jason Whitlock. I think he does a lot of great stuff. Same thing. And Jason actually could speak at our conference. He's a Christian and he's a man for the record. I don't know how Zionist he is, but what but you you get my point. But but the point is this. When are we going to like if truth is truth, then it can stand on its own two feet. It can stand like I I don't have to get a woman to say something true. I don't have to get a black guy to say something true. And and every conservative kind of admits that, you know, it's like, yeah, we we reject wokeness, you know, like even though all of them were kind of drinking the Kool-Aid in 2020, but now, you know, now that the tide has turned, right, that they've all, you know, run out in front of the parade and pretend that they engineered it. you know, I was never um and so now that it's it's changed a little bit, right? And we've got some some motion as the kids would say, people acknowledge, yeah, you know what, this standpoint epistemology, this you got to be black to say certain things. You got to be a woman to say c. We reject that. But here's the deal. They all still do it. They all still do it. Daily wire, you know, it's like, well, we're losing Gen Z to Nick Fuentes. I know what we'll do. Let's get a black guy. Matt Matt something nuclear. Yeah, Matt Nuclear, right? And that lasted what? Is he even still doing it? How long did that last? No, I think I don't think he's uh I don't think he's done a stream in in a month. [laughter] Yeah, cuz he got bullied off the internet because it's a joke. And And here's the thing. It's not even I kind of feel bad for him. I I I bet he's a nice guy. I I don't have anything mean to say, but but Ben Shapiro, I put that on Ben Shapiro, not on Matt Nuclear. Ben did that to him. He's like, "We got to win Gen Z and we got to have a based black guy." You You shouldn't have done that. You You should have got um just a guy regardless of of being his skin. Well, actually, it should actually be a little bit skinn. You should have got a white guy because that's what Nick is. And it's so obvious that's what you're trying to compete with. That's what you know, your controlled op. uh you should got a white guy who's based and and then actually let him off the Israeli wire plantation. Let him let him actually have some some differing views from you, Ben Shapiro. Right. You let Matt Walsh do it every now and then on on some of like black crime and some of the racial issues. You really want to win. Okay. um if if you if you want to salvage the sinking ship, get a Gen Z white guy and let him not be pro- Israel and let him talk about it. That's what he should have done, you know, but he didn't. And so anyway, this is going to be their downfall. Their downfall is the hutzbah. It's the the need for absolute conformity. Uh yes, and it just turns people off. It's very transparent. uh you know, we've been dealing with it here in Coupney County and it's like I've given these people, these Zionists, I've given them so much free advice and they just they they do the exact opposite, which is great for me because it's like you're making yourself look like an ass. But uh no, and I was just going to say that reminded me of uh I quoted this the other day, too. This is one Timothy 2:1. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection, but I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man, but to be in silence. Uh there is one of those Bible verses that is very inconvenient for a certain group of people. Um but yeah, no, very large group of people. But yeah, so that's that's what we're doing. David, I really appreciate you letting me talk about it. But Christ is King, America after Trump. It's going to be November 12th, 13th, and 14th. That's a Thursday through Saturday. And um it and it's doing well. We we've already registered hundreds of people. We want to hit at least a thousand um at least a thousand because it's really important because we have so many enemies and they're I mean you can you can feel it. They're just salv salivating you know hoping that this is a bust you know that um you know 20 people show up. Well we're way past 20 people. So we uh we're already about halfway to the thousand mark. I think that we'll easily hit that. I would love if we can u we're working on some things behind the scenes uh to be able to land a couple pretty you know surprise you knock your socks off speakers and and make this even bigger and so be praying for us we're working on it but it's important people I I know it feels like it's just an events are powerful like in terms of uh media we've already had I forget his name but he's with CNN uh C yeah CNN and um big big big big host who reached out to us personally and asked for a media pass because he wants to cover the event. um you know so so our enemies they're they're worried and uh and it really is important by by simply showing up what you're what you're saying not just to your enemies but even some of the guys who are adjacent who could be one to our cause one over um you're saying this is viable this is actually viable there's a reason why Patriot Front did that demonstration and it was 400 people and not 40 it makes a difference right size actually does matter matter. Um, and and the numbers, the momentum, um, what it says to the public is, uh, this is not as fringe as you think. And here's the deal, right? There are some crazy groups out there, I'm sure, but we're not one of them. Like, our our views are not even the views of George Washington. Our views are the views of the average American in the 1940s and 50s, right? Our views are that we need to have masculine leadership of the home, the church and politically in the public sphere that men ordinarily should lead. Um our views are um that we should be public about our Christian faith, Christian nationalism, and that our Christian values and our our Christian beliefs should shape our politics and our legislation. Um that Israel is not an ally but a liability and we should cut them off. um and that race is real and that all people are made in the image of God and we love all people, but the founders did it for us and our posterity. And that if if America continues to go from 90% white to 75% white to 59% white, which is about where we are now, to in 30, 40 years to white people being a small minority of the country that that's not keeping with the founders's wishes. Um that's that's it's at a certain point it ceases to be America. Even Charlie Kirk eventually before dying was one over to this view. And I say even Charlie Kirk because I mean Charlie Kirk was a centrist. He was he was a moderate and Charlie Kirk even you know he kind of got in trouble online where he was like yeah if you know if if a bunch of people from India come here you know and but they convert to Christianity you know and and they go through the process of citizenship and maybe it's not even them. Maybe it's a couple generations down the line, you know, second and third, it would still be America, you know, and people were hammering them on that guys, you know, on the more dissident right and saying, "Dude, if if America one day, what whatever it is, the year of our Lord 2075, if it's 100% Indian, ethnically speaking, it's like, no, no, it's okay. These are Christian Indians." Well, even if they're Christian Indians who also quote Thomas Jefferson, who Thomas Jefferson was not that Christian, but you get my point. They like American founders, they like apple pie, they like football, you know, they and blah blah blah. And they're Christians, religiously speaking, but there there's no more white people. A different country. You can you can call it the United States of America. You can call it whatever you want. You could call it uh Whitey McHan, you know, but it's not. It's not. It is a different country because a c what is a country? Say it with me. It's people and place, blood and soil, you know, but that that's that's what it is. We all know that. Yeah. Right. Hitler was not wrong about that. Now, what you do in light of that, okay, now there's room for debate. You know, certainly you can go about ensuring, you know, a future for us and our people, you know, ensuring, you know, a future for us and our children, white children. You can do that in wicked ways. Absolutely. I I am um forced vasectomies, right? Forced eugenics. You know, some black guy goes under anesthesia and and you tie his tubes, I think that's wicked. Don't do that. I'm not advocating for that. But sending back at at least every illegal at least every non-citizen out of the country, that is a common common sense thing. So, so we are we're we're pro- white. We love white people. I have I have six kids and they're all white and I love them. They're awesome. And white people built this country and it's awesome. That's why every non-white person wants to be here because of white people. White people are awesome. So, we're not anti-lack or anti- brown or but we are pro-white. We love our people. If I was Ugandan in Uganda, I'd probably be a Ugandan supremacist. my people are the greatest people. I love my people. I like there's nothing wrong with that. And and so it's important that we don't give our enemies exactly what they want. An unforced error. Yeah. Same as Thomas Rouso. Like no, we're not carrying. No one's being a [ __ ] So it's important that we're not [ __ ] Amen. And that we don't score points for the other team. So we're we're going to be measured by design, not cowardice, but wisdom, shrewd, but also at the same time, we also are going to be bold and say some things out loud that are actually reasonable things that your great grandparents would have believed. And we're going to say them from a stage in front of hopefully a thousand or a couple thousand people in the year of our Lord 2026 because that will move the needle. People will see that and they'll say, "Oh crap. This is not just French. We that this is a bunch of people in Qar because they're physically there. They're physically at the conference and um and it this is how so I think you need all of it all full circle back to the beginning of our conversation. You need demonstrations on the 250th year anniversary of the country with Thomas Russo and Patriot Front wearing masks and you need Nick Fuentes on a Tuesday in the middle of the night live streaming to 22,000 people on just a regular Tuesday, right? He's the GOAT. It's incredible. And you also need NXR hosting a conference with multiple different speakers with a low bar albeit but still a bar men Christian men saying things that are a little bit beyond what people would like to normalize. But there's actually a growing sentiment for it because it's true. It's reality. It's undeniable. You need all these things working together. You need David in the backlash doing what you guys are doing. All of us pushing the ball forward with courage tempered with wisdom. And I think eventually we win. Amen. And I was going to say I as we were as we were talking I got sent a text message. You want to talk about the people are waking up and there's some motion and some momentum. Well, this was spotted about 30 minutes ago driving around Cordelane, Idaho. [laughter] [snorts] a Subaru with Talmud equals Zionism on the uh on the back. So, people are uh starting to notice. I I do think. Now, before we let you go, we do have some super chats. A couple of them are questions for you. So, I do want to read them. The first one is from Donald Ductater who sent $5. I refuse to get tricked into HB Vance for 2028. He is too quote Hindu adjacent. instead support Greg Bovino for Total Remigration. Uh yeah, I [snorts] like Greg a lot more. Uh he was at I like Greg a lot. Yeah. Yeah, he was at the migration summit. It's like I get it. I to be honest like I I've done a couple episodes where we've pointed out, you know, the um the red flags. There are red flags. Um at the same time, I don't know, man. two years is like an eternity in politics. You know, like Vance may not even run, you know. I think he will, but you know, he may not even run. We'll see if he does. The the hardest thing for Vance is he's actually in the same position that Kla was in. Yeah. He's going The only way he can win is he has to do two things that you can't do simultaneously. You can't do these two things. He has to somehow be able to keep the Trump base by honoring Trump. But then he also has to acknowledge that Trump's second administration has been a giant failure. Right? It's like Kla Harris saying, you know, we're going to be unburdened by what has been and like what has been what has been what has been is you your administration. What has been like you where the borders are. What do you mean? Like so I how how do you do that? How do you without lambasting Trump? Because then you you lose MAGA, whatever that is these days. Lindsey Graham was MAGA, you know, but like you you lose MAGA. Um but if you if you don't counter, you have to counter. You have to say, "Yeah, Iran was a really bad idea. My bad." Um like and and from what I hear, I don't know if it's true, but everyone's Vance was actually he was really against the war and he was, you know, blah blah blah blah. Okay. Uh, but here's the thing. If you're gonna campaign, if you're gonna run, you're gonna have to say it. You're gonna have to go on that stage and say, "I tried to tell Trump not to do this." I don't think he I don't think he has the balls to do that. No, I don't think he does. I don't think he has the ball. And then the last thing for me, again, Christ or chaos as a Christian pastor, when I see a man's wife bragging and he's next to her, nodding along, tapping her knee, smiling lovingly, and she's saying, "One of the great things about our marriage, one of the great the best things about my husband is that here I am after all these years of marriage and I'm still not a Christian and and I've never felt pressured to become one. If you can't lead to Christ, the person you share a bed with, then going back to what we just said, David, we think that civil leaders, especially the highest one in a country, our president, part of their job is to orient earthly life, civil life that points toward points towards heavenly life. And if you can't even do that in your home with your own wife, then why would I trust you to do that with the citizens 300 million people? So that I mean that's a big and that doesn't even get you know without even going into all the the controversy you know the lore of Peter Teal and all that you know that kind of stuff. I I for me your wife is is a Hindu and and then secondly you have not countered Trump not so far and I understand why not cuz you I mean your butt would be on the street immediately but you would you would have to literally you would have to win your wife to Christ for me you would have to win his wife he's got two years win your wife to Christ and I want to see her publicly come out and say I'm a Christian and JD was the the biggest thing that um that led me to Christ. And I also need to see you come out and say Donald Trump sucks. And guys, I'm sorry. I can't do it anymore. I got to be honest. He sucks. He is not the same guy. He sucks. He made How much How much money did he make off of off of his crap coins? Billion like 1.6 six billion off of Trumpcoin that's currently worth I think I think like 10% 11% down 90%. Like people say, "Oh, well, he made billions, but he deserves it because of these great businesses." No, no, no, guys. I All I need is one example to prove the point. We're not We're not talking about Trump Tower. We're not talking about the businesses. We're not talking about, you know, precious metals and Earth resources like No, dude. The guy was shilling meme coins on his supporters. Some of the like the poorest of the poor bluecollar America I love Trump MAGA supporters put their money in this and he took it. Um no dude Trump what whatever good he did and God bless him for it but he um he is not our guy. Not anymore. So Vance would have to win his wife to Christ and Vance would have to also counter signal unapologetically Trump doesn't necessarily have to do it now but during his campaign he he would have to do that and if he did both of those two things then the Peter Teal Palunteer Alex Karp you know who has said publicly my greatest fear is Christian nationalist taking over and throwing me out of a window not great right not great I understand that they're super duper based and right-wing are They are they I I don't know the sodomite and the Jew who says he fears Christian nationalists taking over. Are they rightwing? I don't know. But but the point is the point is I would maybe tolerate the Peter Teal connections and Palunteer connections. Right? But for me it's it's three strikes you're out right. So my wife is not a Christian. She doesn't love Jesus. She's a Hindu and brags about me never never even never even pushing her into my faith. the Lord that I claim to love and Trump is a absolute wreck and I haven't said anything about it. I haven't. And then three, the whole Peter Teal Palunteer thing. I I could I could deal with one of those strikes if you fix the other two, but three strikes I and I'm not going to vote for Democrats, right? I I can't I can't do it. I can't do it. I understand I understand the strategy. I can't do it as a as a Christian man, as a pastor. I I can't I can't do it. I cannot vote for Democrats. I like Democrats, Satan. I don't see any distance in between the two. I can't I can't do it. I understand that Republicans are not much better at this point. It's really sad. I used to say we have war Jews and gay Jews. But now, I mean, like, let's Who am I kidding? Republicans are as gay as you could possibly be. Gays for Trump. is gay. Even Hunter Biden last week came out and said that there's a homosexual mafia and they're all Republicans. [laughter] Of of course. So it's like I I you know that that joke used to get a laugh and now like people look at me, you know, Gen Z looks at me, what are you talking about? War Jews and gay Jews. Which which one is the Republican? Right. I mean like they're both gay. Both. I I could say I could say war Jews and trans Jews maybe. But Oh no. Oh no. Did we lose him? Come on. Anyways, we're back. Oh, we're back. We're back. We're back. We're good. So, my point my point is I can't vote for a Democrat, but I acknowledge of course Republicans have been terrible. Absolutely terrible. And so, what I would probably do all the way back to the super chat is I I think I would have to just sit out. I think I would just have to sit out. But I I do want to say because I'm going on record here. I do want to say two years, again, giving the caveat again, two years is an eternity in politics. Yeah, a lot can change. A lot can change. And so I'm I still want to be hopeful. I want to be hopeful. Um I don't want to just black pill. Amen. Yeah. Hope is uh hope is a virtue. It's uh you got to have it. You got to have it. Uh we got $5 from Book Track Grooves. Joel Webbin, have you ridden a horse? Have you ever spoken to the aristocratic utensil? And have you ever read scripture with Nick? Have I ever read scripture with Nick? Yeah. They just like That last one I don't understand. Bibles open, just reading scripture on the phone like Well, we we did it um we did it on the show. Um and we've had some conversations. We haven't talked recently, but um but yeah, I've talked I've talked about scripture with Nick. Um obviously that super chat is a joke. The first two, no, I have not. You have not ridden a horse. Uh, oh wait, yeah, I know I have. I'm sorry. I have. What's the second one? The first is, "Have you ridden a horse and have you spoken to the aristocratic utensil from Twitter?" Oh, no. I don't think I have. You know what? I recognize that um that username though. That sounds familiar. He's been around. Is it like a picture of a guy who's got like a monle on? It's like a little cartoon character with a I believe so. Arista. You know what? I I I'm going off of memory here, so I can I can have it confused, but if it's a guy I'm thinking about, he has some good takes. Yeah, this guy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he has he has some good takes. Oh, I don't follow him. Now I'm following him. There we go. Uh we've got another super chat from Book Track Grooves. What are your thoughts on Jay Dyer? I think Dyer is very rude and focus on having a show that preaches the gospel. Have you spoken to Corey J. Mer? We've got to have a limit. One question per super chat. Uh, okay. What? So, those those questions were, "What do I think about Jay Dyer?" Yes. Uh, have I ever spoken to Corey Mer? And then was there another one, a third question? Nope. Okay. So, Jay Dyer, I like him. I like him. I'd be happy to do something with him. Um, the problem is I think the only thing he really would want to do is debate. He loves to debate and I'm just not interested in debating him. and and but part of the reason I'm happy to admit I'm not going to sit here and pretend and be fake and gay. Um Jay Dyer is an encyclopedia. I mean the dude has memorized um so much of the church fathers and it would just be quote after quote after quote after quote and I just don't think I'm the guy for it. So I'm still Protestant. He hasn't convinced me, right? Because because I'll then listen to other guys. Um you know what? I I'll give a shout out. Um, the other Paul, look up the other Paul on X. Um, he's he's a Protestant who is really well-versed in the church fathers. And so he'll be able to, you know, to to use those same fathers that Dyer would quote and be able to say, well, yeah, but in context or this other part, yep, that's him, the other Paul. And so he does a lot of great um Protestant apologetics, right? So, but here's the deal. I'm not the guy. Like in fact, the other Paul literally like if I took a debate with Jay Dyer, he would call me on the phone and say, "Joel, why did you do this? You're not the guy for that debate." And he'd be right. I'm I'm not. That's just I'm not an expert in the church fathers. I I have my strong suits in in different areas. That's not one of them. So, I would be happy to do a show with Jay Dyer on the things we agree with. You know what I mean? To sit there and chat it up. So, I like the guy. Um, but I just, you know, like being honest, they asked me the question, "What do you think about him?" Yeah. Um, I think he's feisty. I think he's he's a debate me bro, you know, and I I get that. I I don't disparage him for for that, but that's just Yeah, that's not my that's not my favorite cup of tea, but I I think he's a good guy. I think he does a lot of good stuff. I just honestly uh I'm going to get in trouble, but honestly I just dude I I just don't think Eastern Orthodox it's not it's eastern. It's like what are we doing like [laughter] it's it's not western the the whole idea. So one they deny All right here we go. They deny penal substitutionary atonement. It's the gospel. Christrist Victor I understand there are multiple forms of atonement. I I'm not a novice. I understand these things. I am a pastor. Christ Victor is true. It is true. I hold a Chris Victor. That's what what we were talking about on this show. He held all these principalities and spirits to open shame, right? That Christ conquers and he conquered all all these things. Conquered sin, conquered Satan, con um the cross is a conquering message, especially the resurrection. Um and so absolutely Chris Victor all day long. The moral influence model of the atonement, right? Greater love has no uh no one greater than this that a man would lay down his life for his friends. There is something to that. There's a truth even in the moral influence uh model of the atonement although it's been hijacked by libs uh to destroy Christianity. But yes, Jesus gave us a a perfect example of sacrificial love that we should emulate. We should seek we look to Christ as not just savior but also as example that we seek to follow in his steps. Right? It was sacrificial love willing to lay down our lives. That's Ephesians chapter 6 for husbands, right? We should be willing to lay down our life for our bride in the same way that Christ laid down his life for the church. So moral influence model of atonement. Christ victor model of ransom atonement. I I can get behind some ransom atonement. But here's the deal with ransom atonement. God is not giving a ransom to Satan because Satan kidnapped us, you humanity, and is holding us in the back of a van and God had to pay the ransom because God is somehow impotent and can't get us back any other way. No, it's the God of the universe. He can just grab Satan by the throat and crush his brains and take us back. He doesn't have to pay the ransom. But God did pay a ransom, but not to Satan. He paid a ransom to himself because God is not a man that he should lie. Because God, Exodus 20 again, by no means will pardon the wicked because of God's justice. The greatest problem that you and I have is not Satan. The greatest problem that we have is God. Because God is holy, holy, holy. And he will not turn a blind eye to sin. He will by no means pardon the wicked. He can't sweep our iniquity under the rug. He will uphold his justice entirely and perfectly. And so, a ransom must be paid, but the ransom is paid by God, through God, the son, to God in order to satiate his just wrath for sin and to redeem us so that the mercy of God and the justice of God are mutually upheld. The cross of Jesus Christ is where God's mercy and his justice kiss. But the last one, penal substitutionary atonement. The word, the literal word in the New Testament, propitiation. That Christ is a propitiation for our sins and not ours only, but the sins of the world. First John speaks about this. That is a propitiation. Literally the word came from from the apostolic writers from pagan traditions of putting forward a sacrifice to appease albeit in the case of pagan gods the fickle wrath of the gods. How can we the gods are angry and so we don't have a harvest this this year? How how can we get them to calm down so that we don't all starve and die? that language hijacked by the um the apostles and used, redeemed, Christianized to say, you know what, there's something to this propitiation. But the difference is just like the ransom, God himself pays it. God puts forward the son as a propitiation, an atoning sacrifice, the lamb of God who pays and atones for the sins of the world. Penal substitutionary atonement. I like I I'm sorry some of your guys if they're EO, they're going to be listening. And I know this is cringe for them. Oh, I am a Protestant. Here I stand. Help me God. [laughter] Penal substit penal substitutionary atonement is the heart of the gospel. That that God put for Jesus to because we didn't just need an example of sacrificial love and we didn't just need Satan to be defanged and conquered. Our greatest enemy was God. We were at immnity with God. That's all of Ephesians 1 and chapter 2. Our greatest enemy was God. Because we committed cosmic treason against him. And in our own hearts, Romans chapter 8, the mind of the sinful man is hostile towards God. It will not submit to God's law, nor can it. We were at enmity with God, hating him with every fiber of our being, and had sinned against him, and were under his wrath. Ephesians again, children of wrath. Whose wrath? Not Satan's gods. But God so loved the world that he gave his only son. And he gave his son to die. Hebrews says, "But to me has been given a body. For what purpose?" The the son of God, the eternal son of God, took on flesh, the incarnation, born of the virgin, conceived of the spirit. The reason he took on flesh, a host of reasons, but one was so that he could die. The immortal cannot die. The divine cannot suffer. But but Jesus took on a second nature, the human nature, so that it could die. Because the wages of sin, God's just penalty is death. And the only way that we as sinners could be atoned for is if someone could die for us. Um it's that that's it. Jesus dies as substitute. Our sin imputed to him. He who knew no sin became sin. became a curse on our behalf so that we might inherit the righteousness of God. Our sin imputed to him so that his righteousness might might be imputed to us. So one, penal substitutionary atonement, you're just you're never going to get me on any strain of Christianity that that denies penal substitutionary atonement. And then number two, the western Christian strain, both Catholic and Protestant, what we have in common is this. We believe that the chief end of man is to glorify God. But we do this in glorifying God. It is to know him. To know the God of our salvation, our creator, the one who formed us and made us. To know him. And we want to know him rationally through thought, through substance. Eastern orthodoxy is mystical. It It's essential oils for white guys. I I I Eastern Orthodoxy is it is it is trying to be one with God. And yes, there's biblical precedent for that. There is we have union with Christ. I am the vine. You are the the the branches. Of course, union by the spirit. I understand. But there's a difference in our aim in our chief goal. Is it is it experiential in being one with God or is it rational substance in knowing God? And both Catholic divines and all the Protestant reformers said the latter. It's the latter. It is we want to know God. So Jay Dyer I think is honestly I I despite Yeah. He's sometimes he's can be a little bit of a jerk in debates. But despite all that I'm able to be objective and look through. I think he's a great guy. I really do. I think he's a great guy. I think he's doing a lot of good. He's good on patriarchy. He's good on Jewish supremacy. Um he's he's good on race. He's he's right-wing. He he understands nature. Um I I think Jay Dyer is unequivocally a net positive. Anybody who's going to say he's a liability, I I think that's ridiculous. He is a net positive, but I feel like Jay Dyer probably would never talk to Joel Webbin unless it's to debate Eastern Orthodoxy. Well, you never know. We're not going to get along. You never know. So, he did. He had me on his show actually three weeks ago. We did a little live stream together and it wasn't that contentious. It was pretty good. We were we were both well behaved. You can go check that out of course on his channel. This this was dealing with uh I don't know if you saw recently, but I I go to a uh particular branch of Catholicism that uh we just we just uh consecrated new bishops a couple of weeks ago and the Vatican tried to excommunicate us, but because they're gay and don't understand canon law, they didn't even do that properly. So, there's some there's been some drama unfolding in Catholic land uh that I I went over to talk about him with. I believe him. I think the last part of that question was Corey Mer if you'd ever spoken with him. Yeah. Yeah. So, I' I've never spoken to him. Um and and I actually I'll be honest, I have a reason why. Um and it's not because I hate him or or even dislike him. I And this will get me flack. I'm going to get flack on both sides actually. Um, hand to God, I bet my life that Corey Mer, if I ever spoke to him, it would be one of the most pleasant conversations I've ever had. I have no doubt. I've watched some of his stuff, not a lot, but I I've watched some of like his debates on race and, you know, things like that. Mhm. Um, he debated this guy Samuel S on race and it was a massacre. I'm I'm honestly shocked that that armed guards didn't break into Corey through the studio and arrest him for just publicly massacring a black guy, you know, on tele. I mean, it was Dude, I mean, it was it was rough. It it was I mean, Corey just manhandled that that conversation. But here here's my point. Um I've I've seen enough of him. I've heard enough about him that I think in person he's probably one of the most reasonable and and I even would be willing to bet genuinely sweet and compassionate guys just cuz he's not emotional, right? He's a stoic. He's a German for Pete's sake. the most emotion that he would probably ever have is maybe once a month, you know, he he'd treat himself and put salt, you know, on on one of his meals, you know, or something like, you know, so it would be just this amicable, peaceful conversation. And that's kind of why I won't talk to him, ironically, [laughter] because if I talked to him, I would like him and he would probably like me. And then I am fiercely loyal to my friends. See, right now I don't owe Corey anything. I don't know him. He's a stranger. But I am fiercely loyal to my friends. And here's the thing. I I don't want to defend him. I don't. And it's not because I think that he's terrible or or or it any any of these. It's not that I hate him or I think he's this sinister, but Corey has, like we said earlier, we're all doing different things. Corey has a different set of tactics and and some of those tactics, some of them are are thoughtful like the debate he did with Samuel Se. He did a debate with James White. Really thoughtful. But then some of his tactics include like a couple weeks ago he tweeted out, right? He like, and this is a smart guy, all right? So I'm not calling him stupid. He's he's smarter than I am for sure. The dude's smart. He puts in his phone as smart as he is. Um, if I was something like president or king or something, I would deputize all white men um to go and execute all blacks. He looks at that. He's like, "Yep, that's a banger. Full send." I'm like, "No." Like, dude, I am sorry. I I I am I'm sorry. You're probably a great guy. I I I cannot associate with you. I'm sorry. I like I and not just I can't because of tactics because I don't want the listeners to be confused here. No, I I on the terms of substance actually I find that morally reh reprehensible. It's not just I disagree with your strategy but secretly I'm hiding my power levels and you know wink wink that was a banger you know like no no I actually private public anywhere on a plane on a train I I I hate that tweet. I I think that's sinful. Yeah, I think that's wicked. And here's the thing, I don't think he would do that. I I think I don't think that probably is even his actual beliefs. I think it's like kind of like Nick Fentes. Nick Fentes said some crazy [ __ ] over the years. But then, you know, eventually he's like, "Yeah, I I didn't really mean them. I didn't, you know, like like that's that's the part of the show where, you know, I'm just I'm doing entertainment or that's that was the comedic portion or whatever. Um, so I don't even think that not only do I not agree with that, I don't think Corey Mer agrees with some of Cory Mer's tweets. I I don't I really don't. Um, but as of now, he's still banging them out, you know. So he so so even though that may not actually represent his his real views, he's he's still he's still doing that and he's also um on the Hitler thing. Yeah. I just um I don't think that Hitler was the last Christian prince, I personally I I know I could be wrong and if somebody thinks that Hitler is a was a Christian, I don't think that that makes you a terrible person. Okay? So So hear me. I'm not I'm not trying to disparrage everybody who's to my right. Um, I personally just I'm not convinced that Hitler was a Christian. All right, that that's on the substance level. On the tactic strategy side, um, dude, we we are we are not we are never going to lionize um the Third Reich in in our American context. It's just it is never ever ever ever going to happen. Yeah. So, so if if Hitler as the last Christian prince is like on on your that that's your logo or your team, then you you have all you you're basically in at some level you're telling me that you're not serious. You're just you're you're not you're not going that it's just it's never ever ever ever going to happen. So, one, I actually don't like Hitler on the substance. Two, it is a suicidal strategy. Um, I I don't like Hitler. I understand I think I actually some I've heard some of his speeches. I'm I'm aware of the lore. He had some good things early on, but I think my view is I think that Hitler lost his way. I think that over time I think he lost his way. Now, fighting a war on every single front, you know, I I can have a little bit of sympathy. I could see how that could happen to a guy when the entire world is against you. I I get that. But I think he lost his way. I think he did things that were objectively there's there's no way there's no way to salvage it. Objectively were immoral, were wrong. And beyond that, um, I I think that eventually somewhere along the line, it became fairly apparent that the Christian rhetoric, I think, was just to get the Lutheran base, you know, that Germans were Lutheran. They're they were all Christians at the time, you know, but it it doesn't seem like he had a real commitment to Christ. So, on the substance level, I I just I I don't think Hitler's our guy. I I don't on the tactic level, Hitler is definitely not our guy. Definitely not our guy. And Corey, he has some of these tweets, not all of them, but some of these tweets that are just whoa. Yeah. Like like not just like, hey, this isn't winnable or palatable with boomers, but like I think I think the FBI is going to break in and and shoot you. I like So, you know, and he's same as Nick. He's a single man, right? His calculus is different. I'm married with children and pastor in a church. It's just it's different. So, no, I have never spoken to Corey, but it's not because I hate him. It's not because I don't like him. Corey, I I'm not going to make a claim about his salvation. Man looks at the outward appearance. God sees the heart. As far as I can tell, he is I'll get in trouble for this, but as far as I can tell, Cory Mer is most likely a Christian. He's most likely a Christian. But why? Why? How could you say that? He says reprehensible things because he affirms all the historic Christian creeds. Because he loves the Bible. Um because he he affirms Christ and his sacrifice and trust in Jesus for salvation. Last time I checked, like those are kind of the big things. He's been baptized. M um I like a Christian confession at some point Protestants we're kind of bad on this but like we've made everything so subjective but does he really really really feel it in his heart but is it true? Is it authentic? Does is it does he feel it really really? Like there's something beautiful about the objectivity of the covenant. Catholics get some of this right. Uh like no uh were you baptized right? Were Were you married in a Christian church? Right? Have you confessed your sins to a priest? Did you take the the Eucharist, the flesh, my this is my body, this is my blood? Did you did you do like um do you profess with your mouth? If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus like for pretty much all of Christian history, those were the metrics. Those that's kind of that that that's what makes you a Christian. And I'm not willing to reinvent the wheel and be hey I you know well well who said so well Pastor Bob you know um said like I I kind of like you know Joel Webbon against all of church history not a great look you know like I don't want to debate Jay Dyer I sure as heck don't want to debate 2,000 years of church history and be on the opposite side of that. So there is an objectivity of the covenant. Baptism actually means something. It means something. And yes, Protestants, we have a different understanding. But our Bible still says, "And baptism now saves you." This is first first Peter chapter 3, not as a removal of dirt from the body, but as a as an appeal for a clear conscience before God. Um, baptism, confession, a profession, um, uh, faith, these things. So, I won't talk to Corey Mer, not because I think he's going to hell, not because I think that he's the the most wicked, heinous person in the world. I won't talk to Corey Mer because I think he's probably a great guy and I would like him and we'd probably get along and I am loyal even to my detriment because it's a virtue of mine that I'm unwilling to compromise on. And the moment that someone is my friend, um, I I'm going to have their back. And I simply, as a father, a husband, and a pastor with my goals and my ambitions, what I'm trying to accomplish, I can't afford to have Cory Mer's back because he is Leroy Jenkinson's like like he like his his strategy. he's going in there um and and just a a whole other level of tactics that one, I'm not willing to employ those strategies. My strategies are different and two, I disagree with his convictions. I I'm I'm not Hitler's not my guy. Hitler's not my guy, and I don't think that white people should be deputized by the state to shoot blacks on site. Yeah. No, I'm sorry. I just don't I don't like those views. There is definitely something happening right now online with the algorithm where people are incentivized to say increasingly outrageous things. Uh and whether it's just a matter of being addicted to dopamine or whether it's a payout. Uh but it has made the discourse um awful uh frankly because it's like honestly like what do we want? Like what does a white what does an evil white nationalist want? probably to like live in 1995 America actually like that that's about it. Um so you know laring as though it's going to be some crazy police state like that's just not I don't find that helpful but that's me. Yeah. And it and it it it kind of just gives freebies a lot of times to our enemies. Yeah. And and scares normies that I that I think could be winnable. Yeah. And and and I understand like there's because I say that, right? I say that, but there's somebody else more moderate than me like your Charlie Kirk who would say that about me. You say, "Yeah, you know what? Joel Webb actually I've listened to some of his stuff. He actually does seem, you know, reasonable. And the reason I won't talk to him is because I'd probably like him and we would probably get along, but then I would feel out of loyalty that I need to get his back. But I can't because I actually substantively disagree with these views that he espouses and also I disagree with his that literally the same thing I just said. There's somebody an inch to my left who would say that about me. I think that's where Corey, you know, he comes in and says at some point you just have to stop caring. You just have to say like other otherwise it's all of us saying well I represent the border for how far right you get. I represent the border. I and we all disagree on that. Like we all appreciate but we would all say that that Charlie should have gone further. Like I I would say I'll speak for myself. I would say man I I wish I think it's a shame that Charlie never had that conversation with Nick. M I we had gotten that that that sit down long for threehour podcast Charlie Kirk Nich Nicholas J Fuentes and just hashing it out like what Nick did with Hunter Biden. I mean if Hunter Biden could do it my goodness why why couldn't Charlie right and I mean I think by this point if Charlie had lived it probably would have happened honestly. But um so I understand like okay well Joel you're you're saying you you won't talk to this guy but but you're sitting there saying well Charlie should have talked to Nick. Um yeah but there there is and this matters. There is one very clear and important difference. Nick, despite saying some some pretty rambunctious things, um Nick does not, like we know, we know because he's gone back and covered it. We know Nick does not believe that white men should be deputized to shoot blacks. Like, we know that. And here's the thing, it's like, well, Joel, you won't talk to Cory Mer, but you did a 10- part series with Nick Fuentes. Um, yeah. and and Hitler came up in our series and Nick and I both agreed that Hitler is a lart. I asked Nick point blank and I didn't like feed him the answer. I asked him before giving my he he said um yeah, I don't think Hitler's a Christian. I don't think he was a Christian. Um in other words, uh Nick, it's it's a lot of it's it's the Clippers, you know what I mean? you're seeing things, you know, you're seeing this 30 secondond thing when he's like 3 hours in. It's, you know, 4 in the morning and it's a super chat and he's like he doesn't care anymore. He stopped caring like two and a half hours ago and and you're seeing that. But in terms of like his actual views, Nick is not saying that Hitler is the last Christian prince. He was he was a great man, one of the best men, right? There's Jesus and then there's Hitler, second only to Christ. That's that's Cory Mer's view. Interesting. I I can't work with that. So I'm trying to say is I I know because I feel because people listen to Stone Choir and people like Cory Muller. I'm trying to explain it to them because they'll be frustrated with my answer trying to explain it. What what I'm saying is because I know that you guys the counter would be well um you know you you won't bridge this gap with a guy to your right, Cory, but aren't you frustrated with all the guys who are demonizing you know uh who say that you're too far to their right you know or Charlie to Nick and like and what I'm trying to say is I I do think that that concept that principle I fair point that does apply almost universally But I do think that there are a couple caveats and and some of the caveats are um when when someone says something and has to date never recanted. They've never said guys that was a joke. Like because people all the time, it's like they'll try to write me off because I hosted Nick and they'll say, "Well, look at this thing he said." But but I have a defense because then I could just post right back and say, "Yeah, and then look at this where Nick said, guys, I was joking." Or I didn't I didn't mean that. Or or or in a worst case scenario, I did mean that. I wasn't joking. I I've I've grown a little. I've changed. You know, then you can work with that. You can work with that. Um, but as far as I know, Corey Mer, I mean, his actual position, not just super chat, late hour, you know, we're joking around here, but his actual position is that Adolf Hitler was the last Christian prince, that there are two men, two figures of history that determine everything, Jesus Christ and Adolf Hitler. And I I not only do I disagree historically, I find I find that borderline blasphemous. Um, I I don't like any man. Even if if it was someone that I did agree with, you know. Um, I like if it was I like I like King Alfred, but if it was, you know, Adolf Hitler and and Jesus, um, that bothers me. So would um so would King Alfred and Jesus side by side. Like I So I just I can't work with that. Again, I I'm not saying that that means that Cory Mer that that somehow revokes salvation or that he's not a good guy or any of those things, but um but he has chosen for himself a particular path. And uh I I can't go I can't go down. No, I hear you. Uh, we do have a few super chats, so I don't know if we're going to be I'm sorry that was take up the pace of it a little bit, but see Peanut sent $49.99. Thank you for the big super chat, Peanut. Uh, it says, "I'm Catholic, but have become enamored with the claims of Christian identity that white Europeans are biblical Israelites. Has Joel ever heard of Pastor Rich Tidwell, who uses modern genetic studies to prove Europeans are biblical Israelites? Don't do it. Yeah. [clears throat] So, uh, Christian identity or is they kind of changed names because they they got found out and British Israelism. Yeah. So, it's it's it's a lot of them call it Christian identity now. Uh, used to be called like Israel identity. It's basically think black Hebrew Israelites for white guys. Yes. We we was kangs, we was Jews. We is Jews. Um, so it's like the true Israelites. So what they would say the apostle Paul you look at all the Pauline epistles um it's it narrows down to basically like 10 different places Ephesus Galatia you know Corenth and they would say that this actually these were all actually the lost 10 tribes of Israel and and so uh the the Jews and they're not actually Jews they're Israelites and there's a big difference you know even the Bible uses this synonymously but they say it's a real big difference because a Jew is a Judean right someone from Judea. You know, Jesus was not a Jew. Jesus was a Galilean, you know, and uh he's from Nazareth. And that's different. And the lost 10 tribes are not Jews. Actually, uh they are Israelites. So, they're God's chosen people. And these lost 10 tribes, they went, you know, with a great dispersion. Lost 10 tribes. They went and settled above the Caucus Mountains. Caucus, Caucasian. And that's white people. So, like we was kinks, we, you know, we was we was Israelites. And um there's there's a a lot of like objective work that has been done that debunks that like emphatically simply not true. Um but also it's dude it's just I was going to say is that kind of invalidates the prophecy that the sons of Japheth will dwell in the tents of Shem. That invalidates that prophecy. Exactly. So the Messiah actually came from Shem. That's a messianic prophecy given by God through Noah to his sons. uh the the sons of of Japheth would dwell in the tents, the the messianic salvific tent of Shem. So the Messiah would come through Shim um and and Japheth uh would go on and have a different lineage, a different line of people. So to me, what's clear through history and through scripture is that uh white people, Europeans, and it's not exclusive white. There are actually some other other groups. Um but but by and large, for the sake of simplicity, lighterkinned peoples are descendants of Japheth and and God used the descendants of Japheth. They were some of the first ones to believe the Christian gospel and settle in the tents of Shem, right? the Messiah, Christ coming from Shim, that lineage. And then they kick uh kickparked um Chrysidom for 1500 years from Constantine all the way up until present day. And so I I am a son of Japheth. And uh and that's a great that's a great ancestry. That's a great lineage. That's a great heritage that I'm proud of. And I am I am not an Israelite. Was never an Israelite. Um but but through the Israelites God brought about the Christ and the old covenant Israel is not the root but the root is Christ and as a wild olive branch. My my fathers were grafted in and my fathers received a prophecy pre Christ from Noah that we would be those who believe and dwell in the tents of this messianic promise and do great things and enlarge and and we have done precisely that. And now we have our sights even set on enlarging to the stars. And I'm proud of that heritage and the idea of Christian identity, black Hebrew, Israelites for for white guys is just oh dude, it's so embarrassing. I just don't like it. I was also going to say, you know, there is because I've I've I've unfortunately had the displeasure of spending a lot of time studying Christian identity because of the area that I live in. You know, we had uh Richard Butler was the big boogeyman uh for decades here in North Idaho. Uh and so I figured, you know, understanding what these guys actually were preaching and and talking like I have to understand that and it's it's a heretical movement uh that they were involved with Christian identity. But there's something kind of sick at the root of it and and that is that if you look at Judaism, there's this article, I remember it came out a few years ago and it was on the virtue of hate, right? That was written, I think it was a New York Times article. Um, but they hate their enemies, right? This is this comes back to the gospel where where Christ says, "Love your enemies." Right? It's not hard to love your friends. It's hard to love your enemies. Whereas the Jews that reject Christ and that teaching, they hate their enemies. And I think there's a lot of resentment that has built up in the world today uh because of, you know, these problems that we've been talking about. And so there's a temptation to kind of give in to that hate. And I feel like Christian identity kind of gives permission uh for you to start hating people to basically behave like Jews uh while claiming the promises of Christ. And I I think it's disordered. Uh and I think it's wrong. It's a heresy. I agree. Uh so anyway, I agree. And not all of them, but some of them get into padmic peoples. So they actually two seed theory. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I was going to say two seed theory. That's this uh this idea that [clears throat] so they'll even they'll adopt things that I I believe are anti-biblical. So that um old earth macro evolution millions of years where death doesn't enter the world through Adam's sin but death was already alive and well but um before sin entered the world death was the tool that God was using through macro evolution millions and millions of you know and so you have the browns right you have these subhuman you know people but then eventually God takes Adam and Eve and breathes his spirit into them and they actually are truly human. So you have the atomite peoples who are white and they are you know truly fully human and then you have all these people who are less than human and then then you have the Israelites that descend from Jacob right so that's a further dissension and they're really really special um and yeah so it it it messes it it really is a big deal because in terms of Christian theology it messes with core doctrines like so Romans 5 says So too, by one man's disobedience, sin entered the world, and through sin, death. Right? So too, by one man's obedience, namely the second Adam, Christ, many are are saved. And so, uh, federal headship, the way the way that the gospel works, is God does everything back to the natural order through headship. The reason why everyone is born into sin, under the curse of sin, is because we are all underneath the federal headship of Adam by virtue of birth. We are all Adam's posterity. We all track back to Adam and Eve and have him as our federal head. And there are only two federal heads in the in the big picture, the final analysis that you can have, the first Adam or the second. If you have the first Adam and everybody by physical birth has the first Adam as their federal head and therefore are under sin, enemies of God, children of his wrath and subject to death because the wages of sin are is death. But through faith, if you have the second Adam through new birth, right? This is what Jesus says in John chapter 3 to Nicodemus, you must be born again. Birth indicates posterity and therefore headship. This is why Jesus, it's funny, right? Because all throughout the scripture, it's the son of God, the son of God, or Jesus referencing himself, son of man. But there's one place in Isaiah where it actually says of Jesus, eternal father. And it's because through Christ, many are begotten. He is the first begotten. begotten, not made, but the first begotten who through him there are many spiritual offspring, many born again, many spiritual births. And so you can have Adam as your father or Christ as your father. But if you say that there was this whole group of millions of people pre-Adom and it's still today their descendants are here in Africa or in South America over here or whatever. Um then it I Romans 5 topples like a a house of cards. So, you're not at that point. You're not It's not just like you lost me because ooh, I think that's icky. I think that's racist or something. No, like um you got some spicy view on race, I'll hear you out. Um you start messing with the gospel and the book of Romans, I'm sorry. Like, you lost me, man. Yeah, little too much. Not there. Little too much. Uh Peanut sent another $9.99. Joel should also consider interviewing Timothy Kelly of our Interesting Times podcast and Justin Stam of Why We Fight? I think they'd be great additions for NXR. Okay. Yeah. You ever listen to Tim Kelly? He's been he's an OG man. He's been around. Uh he does a lot of uh a lot of stuff. Uh Book Track Group sent $5. Joel Webbon, will you sign a petition to get rid of No Fault Divorce? Is your church a 501c3? Have you spoken to Wade Scott from Canon Press Doug Wilson Group? Yeah, I've spoken to Wade Scott. Uh, it's been a while, but he's a good guy. Um, I am not on good terms with Doug Wilson. Um, because Moscow has We covered that on the last time you were on the show. You can go back. So, they've decided that, you know, we can't win without some kind of alliance with Jews. And I disagree. So anyways, um but Wade is a good guy. I like him. I haven't talked to him in a while though. Um and then uh yeah, of course I would sign a petition against no fault divorce. No, no fault divorce is one of the biggest things that's destroyed the country. So absolutely. And then what was the middle question? Uh is your church a 501c3? Yeah, we are. And I know I know the arguments. We are. It does not make us a religious arm of the state. Here's the deal, right? In true Texas fashion, come and take it. I'm going to be as innocent as a dove and as cunning as a serpent as I'm commanded in scripture to do. So, if there are any kind of loopholes or allowances to where I can legally legally actually benefit um people the people in my church when they with their tithes and offerings and and be able to give them uh make it taxdeductible and and offer them some kind of benefit, uh then I'm going to do that. And and people say, you know, it's like in my mind it's like, why would I not do that? People say, well, because then you take the king's coin, you become the king's man, or it makes you, you know, the religious arm of the stage, and you're not your own. It's like, have you have you have you listened to any of my sermons? Have you watched, you know, my podcast? Like, do you do you think I'm holding back? Do you think um that I'm not that I that I'm compromised because of that five? My my policy is that our church that we would say what's true, period, and use whatever legal means we have made available to us as a hangover from a bygon Christian error to benefit our people. It doesn't benefit me. I don't get any benefit by the church being 501c3, but it allows the people of our church froze. Let's see. ever advance I can use. And then if if um the state ever comes knocking on my door and says, "You got to change what you're preaching or we're going to take away your 501c3." Well, then I lose the 501c3. So that's my that's my view there. Yeah. You know, even our church and we're a Catholic church, we're all 501c3s. I mean, like and yeah, don't get me started. There's that whole 508 C1A thing. There's all kinds of creative stuff you can do these days, but uh yeah, no, just meet the people who are running your church and you can you can make a good judgment there. Uh we've got another one from Peanut499 who said, "Kato Dora, the information warfare arms dealer, would make another great guest with his 2,000-year-old war study between Christianity and the Talmodists." I've never heard of this guy. I'm going to have to Google that. Uh and check that out. Well, Joel, thank you so much. I think that does catch us up on all of the super chats, right? So, thank you so much for coming on. I want to remind everybody that Joel is doing this Christ is King America afterTrump event in November with James Fishback and Harrison Smith and all of these great people. So, please check that out. It's a new Christianite.com/conference. The link should be in the show notes below. Joel, thank you so much for joining us today. Yeah, thank you for having me. It was an honor. Awesome. 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Uh, you know, there was a big meeting last night. The Coupney County Republican Central Committee meeting was crazy. They spent an hour arguing over the meeting minutes. I can't make this stuff up. They're arguing and quibbling over the meeting minutes while Dan Gan, the pro-Zionist, pro-gay mayor of Celane, is operating that city with a $3.1 million deficit. So they're all getting their taxes raised in Celane. Tell me again that voting doesn't matter. So anyway, but [clears throat] the drama that ensued at uh the KCRCC meeting last night will have to be the subject of a future episode because we have already gone on way too long. I've got to give a big shout out and thank you to Joel Webbin again for for coming on the show. We are going to be kind of picking off and going down the line of some of these guys over at NXR Studios. Uh we are working on booking Father Calvin Robinson to come on for a podcast in the near future and Jordan Hall. Uh we're going to be bringing him on uh to talk a little bit about the book that he wrote with Joel Webbon, The Hyphenated Heresy. The last time we spoke, this book was just about to be released. So I think it would be good to hear about how that book is done. Of course uh JD Hall recently was on Tucker Carlson. So it'll be great to see uh his perspective on Tucker and how that interview has affected or changed the discourse. Uh and a whole bunch more. I think we're also still working on getting Joel Salatin on the show. He's of course the big uh regenerative farming guy. Uh and I think that a lot of you guys might be interested in that. So, we will be getting to all of that and more. So, please make sure that you are following us. We are on XRE backlash, our website. Oopsy daisy. Our website, of course, the backlash.net. Follow us on Rumble. Follow us on YouTube. Thank you so much for joining us today and for all the super chats. We'd really do appreciate it. 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