Episode 160 —The Homesteading Revolution: Joel Salatin on America’s Return to the Land

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[0:02:43] and polyphase designs, which is all kinds of, um, different designs for chicken coops, [0:02:52] turkey coops, the whole thing, everything you need to start a homestead. Joel, thank you so [0:02:58] much for joining me today. Thank you. It's a delight to be with you. Awesome. Yeah. So we [0:03:04] connected for just a moment at the modern homesteading conference, uh, up here in Coeur d'Alene, [0:03:09] Idaho. And I was blown away. Uh, there were thousands of people there. The room was packed [0:03:16] standing room only to hear your, your speech, which was incredible. And I hope we can get into [0:03:21] it a little bit, but there really is something happening, a movement, like a homesteading [0:03:28] movement, people returning to the land, getting closer to nature, feeling unfulfilled with their [0:03:34] soulless jobs, pushing papers at a desk, and it is sweeping across the country. And [0:03:42] how do you explain this? Have you, have you been seeing this as well? [0:03:48] Oh, absolutely. In fact, I wrote a book. The title is a homestead tsunami [0:03:53] that explains the cause. There are, there are a lot of causes for it. One of the basic ones is [0:03:59] that when there's dysfunction in a society, [0:04:04] one of the places that people don't want to be is in the city. [0:04:08] You want to be where you can shoot a deer or build a campfire or build a shelter. [0:04:16] And so there's just this deep embedded, I think, idea within us [0:04:19] that if the wheels fall off, I don't want to be stuck in the city. [0:04:23] Another thing that's really happening, of course, is the discovery how bad our food is. [0:04:29] And, you know, with RFK Jr.'s election or selection, HHS, you know, we now now every American knows that there are 10,000 artificial additives in American food compared to just 400 in Europe. [0:04:44] That's a big that that's a big deal. [0:04:46] And I would say without, you know, without drilling down too far, a third one is simply the concern about our young people. [0:04:54] We've got a an epidemic of. [0:04:59] And many of us realize that the way to build self-worth and self-esteem in a young person is to successfully complete or accomplish meaningful tasks. [0:05:17] And too often in the city, there are no chores. [0:05:20] There's nothing to actually build your self-worth and feel confident that, well, I know how to do something. [0:05:27] And so successfully completing meaningful tasks is something that can be done on a homestead. You can learn how to plant a tomato, you know, canned applesauce, gut a chicken, cook eggs, you know, the gather eggs. Those are the things that become authentic, you know, authentic actual processes. [0:05:48] Hmm. No, I think you're, you're really onto something there with that, you know, and especially there's like a crisis of, you know, careers. I don't know if vocation is the right word, but like for, for people, I'm 37. And so for people my age and younger, there really hasn't been the option to like get a corporate job, climb the corporate ladder, get a promotion. [0:06:10] You know, like turnover is people are just churning in and out. They're getting used up and wrung out like a wet rag by all these corporations. And so there's also something going on with this AI thing. You know, people are kind of reconsidering what labor really is. [0:06:27] reconsidering what work is, what value there is in it. It's almost the same as [0:06:33] what was going on in the late 1800s with the Industrial Revolution. This new technological [0:06:38] revolution is kind of hitting it pretty hard. And this is one of the things that you talked about [0:06:46] at your speech at the Modern Homesteading Conference. There is a totally new landscape [0:06:51] when it comes to homesteading and farming and being profitable, being able to actually sustain [0:06:56] yourself. You know, in the past, people that wanted to do homesteading, they would have to [0:07:01] figure out how to get their product to the market. And now with all of these direct sales websites, [0:07:08] being able to just ship things to people, it's like the market is coming to you. So I think that [0:07:16] this homesteading idea is more viable now, frankly, than it ever has been. What are your [0:07:26] been, just like cooking from scratch is more viable than it's ever been. I mean, we've never [0:07:31] had more techno-glitzy, gadgetized appliances in our kitchens, you know, time bake and Instapots [0:07:38] and all this. So it's never been easier to cook from scratch. And I would say in the homesteading [0:07:42] area as well, it's never been easier to develop a self-reliant, independent lifestyle in that we [0:07:53] We have small tractors. [0:07:56] We have infrastructure equipment. [0:07:59] We have bandsaw mills to be able to make portable infrastructure out of tinker toys that we never could do before. [0:08:07] And, yeah, and you hit the whole direct marketing thing. [0:08:12] We have in the past struggled with how do we get stuff to market, and now if you can get on a UPS truck or a FedEx truck, [0:08:20] You know, some of one of these, you know, the world is your oyster. And we're seeing actually the demise of the supermarket. I'm not sure the supermarket is going to survive. The bricks and mortar interface is becoming more and more obsolete with doorstep delivery. [0:08:38] and, you know, I mean, there's not even a cashier hardly at the grocery store. They don't want to [0:08:45] have any people there. And so if we're not going to have any people, we might as well just buy [0:08:49] directly from farms and circumvent the entire oligarchy out there. And so if you have a website [0:08:56] and you can get on a delivery truck, suddenly, you know, you can access any doorstep in America. [0:09:02] and we can now on our farm, for example, we can ship four dozen eggs to any city in America [0:09:08] cheaper than they can buy them at farmer's market because the urban sector has become so [0:09:14] regulated, $25 minimum wage, crash, smash and grab, defund the police, everybody's scared to [0:09:22] leave their house. And so the combination of all those things create a very expensive, [0:09:29] physical interface in the city. So here in our little backwoods on a dirt road, low crime, [0:09:37] low taxes, we can actually access markets that you couldn't even imagine accessing just 15 years [0:09:46] ago. So I think it's wonderful when the technology like Amazon Prime creates an opportunity for [0:09:53] co-opting by, you know, by a more democratized, you know, access. And so, you know, we've seen [0:10:04] that over and over. Some big outfit makes a new technology. And then after the initial fear of, [0:10:11] oh, no, they're going to take over the world, suddenly that technology trickles down and [0:10:16] everybody has a pocket calculator, you know, everybody has a little computer and everybody [0:10:22] can get, can get food directly from a farm on their doorstep. Pretty cool. Yeah, no, it's, it's, [0:10:28] it's really awesome. And then, you know, when you couple that with some of the things that are going, [0:10:33] like, for example, here in Idaho, uh, we just had something come out a couple of days ago. [0:10:38] This is from representative Heather Scott. Um, Idaho opens the kitchen door, new opportunities [0:10:43] for families, farmers, and entrepreneurs. Basically they, uh, they revised the direct [0:10:49] to consumer commerce law, which is now allowing people in Idaho anyway, to be baking bread, [0:10:56] selling jams, all kinds of cottage industry stuff. And so, uh, the door really is wide open, [0:11:02] I think for, for a lot of competition and, you know, with, with the, the Robert Kennedy [0:11:08] stuff, you know, Maha, the, the Maha Alliance that kind of formed, um, in the run-up to the [0:11:14] 2024 election. Yeah. People are finding out that like everything is poison, everything that you get [0:11:19] at Walmart is super processed with carcinogens and all kinds of bad stuff. So for somebody that [0:11:28] is thinking about getting into this, getting into homesteading, making the switch, getting out of [0:11:33] the cities, what is the requisite amount of land that you need to start with? You know, how much [0:11:41] land do you really need to begin producing a meaningful amount of food? An acre, five acres, [0:11:48] 10 acres how big yeah well well i i go so far as to say your weak link is not the land you own the [0:11:56] single the single biggest mistake that new homesteaders make is is putting too much of [0:12:02] their capital into land right now 47 of america's agriculture land is rented that means almost half [0:12:10] of america's farmland is managed by people who don't own it and so there is a tremendous amount [0:12:17] of opportunity out there, uh, in land that, uh, that you don't have, you don't have to buy or you [0:12:24] don't have to own. And so, uh, rather than thinking about buying land, I encourage folks to just, [0:12:31] um, AA, do more with what, where you are, what you have. And then, I mean, shoot, maybe you have [0:12:37] a neighbor with a big yard, you know, you could, uh, uh, can I go over there and do a 10 foot by [0:12:42] 20-foot garden in your backyard or your own yard or a yard that you borrow, a friend's yard, [0:12:51] that piggybacking food production on land that you don't own leaves you with your capital [0:13:00] to actually develop things and to develop infrastructure and to invest in water and [0:13:08] other really more critical things that you might not have enough money left over for if you [0:13:12] dump all your capital into actually buying land. But yeah, uh, you know, people should, [0:13:19] you know, if you want to, if you want to buy something, certainly an acre is helpful, [0:13:23] but obviously an acre in an acre in Tennessee is far different than an acre in Nevada, uh, [0:13:28] from, from a production standpoint. So, you know, a lot of it has to do with, uh, how much your, [0:13:34] you know, how much your, your rainfall is your climate, frost dates, things like that. Those are [0:13:40] all, you know, huge elements of it. But, you know, you can put a, if you live in the city, you know, [0:13:45] you can put a solarium on the side of your house, on the south side of your house. Now you can start [0:13:50] growing, you know, vegetables in the wintertime and you can get past some solar heat. Put a cistern [0:13:55] in so you can eliminate water utility. And then you put in a gray water return system so the water [0:14:00] in your toilet isn't potable. Cut your water bill in half. I mean, there are just so many things that [0:14:05] you can do. Homesteading is a mindset. It's not a place. It's not a place. It's a mindset. And you [0:14:11] can sprout mung beans. You can do a lot of things in your own home. You can have sourdough starter. [0:14:20] I mean, there's a lot of things that you can do. You can buy wheat by the bushel, [0:14:24] flower by the back [0:14:26] you [0:14:29] you [0:14:29] you [0:14:29] you [0:14:31] you [0:14:32] you [0:14:33] you [0:14:47] are you there? Yeah, I'm here. Sorry. Uh, my internet is fritzy, whatever. This is one of [0:14:53] the things living in rural North Idaho. We are subjected to, uh, you know, Elon Musk and whether [0:14:59] or not he wants to smile upon me today. Yeah. Yeah. Um, are you, I think you're back. Okay. [0:15:15] Well, we'll continue anyway. And you're right. You're right about not necessarily needing to own the land necessarily. I've got a friend up here who lives in an HOA on a postage stamp, quarter of an acre, you know, can't do anything there. [0:15:30] but he runs a profitable chicken farm now. [0:15:33] He's got chickens, rabbits. [0:15:35] He's obviously ripped off all of your designs [0:15:37] with the chicken tractors and all of that. [0:15:39] But basically he just has a neighbor [0:15:43] that has a bunch of land. [0:15:45] And the deal is that the neighbor can keep [0:15:48] something like a quarter of everything [0:15:49] that he produces on the land. [0:15:52] So he's feeding his neighbor [0:15:53] and then he's able to take whatever is left over [0:15:58] and bring that to market, sell it. [0:16:00] in this kind of parallel economy, which is burgeoning, at least here in Idaho. I'm sure [0:16:06] that it's happening all over the place, different kinds of co-ops, swap meets, [0:16:10] you know, meeting in a parking lot and, you know, selling your goods to different people. [0:16:15] What are your thoughts about the parallel economy? This has been like a big talking point and a lot [0:16:22] of people in dissident spheres have been talking about this, you know, breaking away from the [0:16:28] the dollar system breaking away from the centralized, you know, systems. [0:16:34] What are your thoughts on the, uh, the parallel economy? [0:16:38] So I'm all into the parallel economy. I mean, [0:16:41] the one of the phrases I hear more than any other is I just want to [0:16:45] disentangle. I want to disentangle from the system. And so, uh, [0:16:50] anything that you can do to disentangle is good. [0:16:53] And so the parallel economy includes, includes, um, [0:16:58] building relationships. I say that the new 401k is either knowing how or living next to people who [0:17:05] know how to grow things, fix things, and build things. If you know how or live next to people [0:17:11] who know how to grow things, fix things, and build things, that's far more secure and stable than [0:17:17] anything else. That's a parallel economy to actually invest in and create a different store [0:17:27] of wealth. One of your most valuable assets is not your money, it's your experience. And you [0:17:34] can't Google experience. Experience comes over time. And you can't just Google skill. [0:17:42] If you know how to, again, grow something, fix something, build something, those are important, [0:17:47] valuable skills that you can sell, barter, or build relationships with to complement your own. [0:17:54] So that's all part of that parallel economy and disentangling from the system. [0:18:01] And so, you know, as we talk about, you know, we live in a time where everybody wants to, you know, defund something. [0:18:08] Well, it's time to, you know, defund Monsanto, defund the, you know, the systems, the education system, the health care system. [0:18:16] And if we can live in that model, we will be less dependent on and susceptible to the vicissitudes and the nefarious agenda of people that don't have our best interests at heart. [0:18:38] Yeah. Now, you mentioned that 47 percent of farmland in America is rented. What percentage of farmland is owned, for example, by China? Because this has been a big thing I've been seeing circulating online, that China is buying up all kinds of farmland. [0:18:57] farmland. Yep. I don't know what that percentage is. It's very, very small. It's not, um, I'm not, [0:19:04] I'm not concerned about China. Um, I mean, what I'm, I'm not concerned about China. I'm a lot [0:19:11] more concerned about, about farmers, um, you know, making a living so they don't want to sell the [0:19:17] farmland. Uh, the only reason the farmland is being sold is because the farmers aren't figuring [0:19:22] out how to make a living on it. And that's not, uh, that's partly the farmer's fault, [0:19:27] the government's fault, partly, um, uh, the rest of us, uh, our fault. Uh, but, but that, [0:19:34] that farmland, there's very, very little of it. I don't even, it's, it's, it's certainly less than [0:19:39] 1%. It might be, you know, 0.3, 0.4%. It's not much. And of course the Chinese, they're only [0:19:47] interested in farmland that's next to military bases. So if you're not next, if you're not next [0:19:51] to a military base, they probably don't want it. That's true. And what, you know, one of the things [0:19:56] that I found out, or I guess not that I found out, but I had, I hadn't thought it through. I went [0:20:00] during the Thomas Massey campaign, they brought me out and we went door knocking into all these [0:20:07] different campaign events. But one of the things that I, it just, it hit me like a lightning bolt [0:20:13] is these issues with generational farms [0:20:18] and the inflation that's been happening in the country, [0:20:22] obviously driving up the price of land. [0:20:24] And so you'll have like a grandfather [0:20:26] that has a family farm [0:20:28] that's been in the family for generations [0:20:30] that's now worth millions and millions of dollars. [0:20:33] And they want to pass it on to their kids [0:20:35] or their grandkids, [0:20:36] but they are just unable to come up with the money [0:20:40] to even just cover the tax burden [0:20:43] that would come from transferring that land. [0:20:46] And so I know that Tom Massey was trying to put some sort of legislation through, [0:20:51] but it is, I think, reaching kind of crisis levels, [0:20:55] this inability to pass on farmland. [0:20:58] How much do you know about that? [0:21:00] Have you seen that? [0:21:02] Oh, yeah. [0:21:02] Oh, no question. [0:21:04] No question. [0:21:05] And so there's, but it's not just passing it on. [0:21:09] And it's a part of it is people, is most farmers, they give a, it's called an undivided interest. [0:21:23] So, yeah, you've got, yeah, you mentioned you've got grandpa here and you've got one son or daughter that has taken an interest in the farm and kept it going while grandpa ages. [0:21:34] Well, grandpa dies and he leaves it to the, you know, to three kids. [0:21:39] an undivided interest. Two of the kids want their money. They couldn't get away from the farm fast [0:21:46] enough. And the one that stayed, held it together, now is suddenly supposed to buy out the other two [0:21:52] kids and it can't be done. So the farm gets broken up and now there's not enough left to make a [0:21:58] living on because the farm's now broken three ways or at least two ways. And so you get this [0:22:04] fragmenting and and now there's not enough to justify you know to justify owning it and so [0:22:11] so that this is uh the successional the successional element is as big as it is probably [0:22:19] a much bigger deal than the tax burden because the the inheritance tax has been changed where [0:22:25] you know what you get you get 15 million dollars well it's a pretty pretty good sized farm it's [0:22:29] worth of $15 million. So, uh, so that's not as big, the bigger, the bigger burden is the annual [0:22:36] property tax. Uh, the annual property tax has gone up, up, up, up, up until now, you know, [0:22:41] you've got your annual taxes on a, on a place might be five, six, seven, $10,000. Um, now [0:22:49] suddenly your biggest, your biggest burden, your biggest, uh, cash burden, expense burden is taxes. [0:22:55] And so here you are, you know, you're trying to make it go, and you've got this straight overhead off the top property tax burden. [0:23:06] Right now, rural farmland in America, on average, only gets about 30% of its taxes are actually needed for governance, whereas residential takes about 120%. [0:23:29] percent so uh in other in other words the cost of governance um the the the residential does not [0:23:37] cover the cost of governance you know schools and roads and and and jails and things uh law [0:23:43] enforcement farmland is easy to govern because cows and and cows and plows and corn don't need [0:23:50] jails and and and um you know and prisons and so the cost of administering of governing farmland [0:23:58] It's very, very low, but the percentage of take is way, way higher on farm than it is on residential. [0:24:06] The problem is cows and corn don't vote, and people vote. [0:24:09] And so people continually push on to rural America the tax burden of the government programs that they ask for as residents. [0:24:20] And this is a huge tax bike that's having a bigger and bigger effect on farmers. [0:24:28] Yeah, this is definitely something that we're working on combating here in Idaho. [0:24:32] This is an article from last month or two months ago. [0:24:35] Idaho GOP plan would eliminate property taxes. [0:24:38] And, oh, but what about the children? [0:24:40] We're not going to be able to fund public school anymore. [0:24:43] Well, but, you know, it's it's true. [0:24:46] We've you know, if you're paying taxes on property that you own, you don't really own the property. [0:24:54] You know, I know. [0:24:56] I know people up here that, you know, bought land in the in the 80s. [0:25:01] They paid it off. They paid off their mortgage. [0:25:03] And now the property tax burden is more on a monthly basis than their mortgage even was, you know, before they paid it off. [0:25:12] It's just insane. So we really. [0:25:15] Yeah, you're right. So property taxes, you know, if you think about historically and you may know more about this than I do, [0:25:22] But in general, you know, this country, property was something that Americans, I mean, it's in our DNA. [0:25:30] I mean, that was one thing you couldn't. [0:25:32] There are very few countries in the world that you can just go and actually buy land, you know, and own it. [0:25:37] And so this was an American DNA thing when it was founded, started. [0:25:42] And it was all about property and doing the taxes. [0:25:46] Of course, government was very, very small. [0:25:48] There really wasn't any serious federal government until the Civil War. [0:25:54] And before then, the federal government was very, very small. [0:25:59] And so what's happened is we have moved from an agrarian society to a consumerism society. [0:26:07] And so as a result, that tax burden should be put on, you know, we should have a fair tax, sales. [0:26:15] We've become a cash-oriented culture as opposed to a property-oriented culture. [0:26:22] And as a result, our tax burden, our tax responsibilities or obligations should be moved to a more consumer-oriented thing than property. [0:26:36] and so um so i you know i'm i'm a big fan of flat taxes fair taxes uh you know basic with a cost of [0:26:45] living allowance that says you know up until this you pay no tax and then over this you know you pay [0:26:52] tax and and and what you're doing then is you're you're actually not taxing savings you're not [0:26:57] taxing property. You're not taxing capital. You're actually taxing, uh, raw spending, uh, consumerism. [0:27:06] And, and that is, um, that is not, that is not something that we actually, we don't want to [0:27:16] encourage people to go into a debt as consumers. What we want them to do is be self-reliant as [0:27:21] savers. Yeah. Yeah. Now there's a, a lot of interesting stuff that is popping up and my [0:27:31] computer is, I apologize. This has been the most technically goofy podcast I've done in a while. [0:27:37] I've got the spinning wheel of death over here. I can't switch to show you what I've got on my [0:27:42] screen. Say a prayer. Maybe it'll, maybe it'll fix itself. Dear God, please. But there are groups [0:27:49] that are popping up all over the place of people working together, you know, kind of rejecting the [0:27:56] individualist thing, right? I mean, I contend that the CIA kind of weaponized the idea of [0:28:04] individualism, right? Because if you've got a problem with the corporation or the government, [0:28:10] right, and you're just one person, one individual, you can get steamrolled very easily. But there is [0:28:15] kind of a people power that does happen when you get a large group of people cooperating with one [0:28:21] another. And one of these things that we've been promoting here on the show and talking about is [0:28:26] something called the Catholic Land Movement. Has that hit your radar at all? Have you heard of it? [0:28:32] No, it hasn't. Is it through the Catholic Church? [0:28:34] Yes. It actually, it's been approved and endorsed in eight different dioceses across the country [0:28:41] with, I think, several more on the way. I was going to show the website, CatholicLandMovement.info, [0:28:48] but again, the pinwheel of death over here. But I did get a question from the leader, [0:28:56] the founder of this group, theoretical or whatever, but his question is, [0:29:05] how does a closeness with the created order through sustenance farming help rightly order [0:29:13] a person? Uh, and I guess this is just, you know, living in the city, living with all of these, [0:29:19] the trains, the highways, the automated everything you are so disconnected from God's order. Um, [0:29:28] and so what, what have you noticed over your years about being close to the land? [0:29:32] Yeah, so it's a great question. So I would simply say that when you interact viscerally with life, plants and animals and things like that, in the country, you're immersed in things that God made. [0:29:50] I mean, we don't make trees. We don't make cows. I mean, we manage them and we steward them, but we don't actually make them. And so we are surrounded daily in the country in a more rural setting. We're surrounded by things that God made. In the city, we're immersed. We're surrounded by things that man made. [0:30:10] So we've got cars and streetlights and lamps and houses, and it affects your view to the value of life, whether you're immersed and surrounded by things that God made or things that humans made. [0:30:30] And I think that it's much more difficult. [0:30:34] I don't think it's sinful to live in a city. [0:30:35] Let me just get that out. [0:30:37] Only it's sinful to live in a city. [0:30:38] But I do think that you have to work harder at appreciating that I am a piece of something bigger than me. [0:30:49] And in the city, you can become lost. [0:30:56] You can become anonymous very easily in the city, in the country. [0:31:02] Your neighbors all know who you are. [0:31:03] They know the car that you drive. [0:31:05] You can't get lost in the country. [0:31:07] And so you become a piece. It's easy to become anonymous and individualized to the point where you can think that the world revolves around the world revolves around me instead of instead of the world, instead of. [0:31:31] Instead of me revolving around something bigger, me revolving around the world. [0:31:37] Got it. Totally makes sense. Um, we're going to try something. This is, this is bugging me. Uh, [0:31:46] just one second. I'm going to reboot OBS and, uh, we're going to try to get this thing rolling [0:31:51] again. Um, so Joel, we'll stay on, uh, to the audience. Just hang out for one second. We're [0:31:59] going to re, uh, basically overnight. This has been within the last two years. Uh, they are [0:32:05] absolutely everywhere. And I think they're even in Europe now. They just opened one in Kenya, [0:32:12] Zimbabwe. So it is a global thing. This broken system, broken food is really sweeping across [0:32:22] the world. And one of the things with the Catholic land movement that they do, here's a quick video [0:32:28] or whatever, I'm not going to play the whole thing, but they do these butchering workshops [0:32:33] where they'll teach you how to butcher a rabbit, butcher a chicken. [0:32:36] It doesn't cost any money to join. [0:32:39] And people have the ability to pass on that experience and skills. [0:32:45] This has been kind of a crisis as well. [0:32:48] The lack of mentorship. [0:32:50] Boomers have not been passing on the institutional knowledge. [0:32:56] What can we do to fix that? [0:32:58] Is that something that is fixable? [0:33:00] well it's certainly fixable and there i mean there are there are numerous uh there are numerous [0:33:08] things going on i mean in in the u.s the homestead movement i mean these these homestead uh uh [0:33:14] festivals uh like you went to there in in court in court Elaine Idaho uh they're all over the [0:33:20] country they're you know 5,000 6,000 7,000 i mean there's there's goodness uh 15 to 20 of them going [0:33:26] on around the country. I go to a ton of them. And it's a true wave that's happening. And there's a [0:33:35] lot of expertise. I mean, you know, there's the School of Traditional Skills that's got now, [0:33:40] I don't know how many hours courses. We have our own Farm Like a Lunatic curriculum now, [0:33:47] a video curriculum that has over 50 hours of content on it. So there is a lot of content out [0:33:56] there, it's never been easier to find and get information than it is right now. And so, yeah, [0:34:03] I think that this is just part of a big global interest in trusting something that I'm doing. [0:34:19] I think COVID showed everybody in the world that was thinking that you can't trust the government, you can't trust the big corporations, and the emperor has no clothes. [0:34:33] I mean, in 2020, the number one Googled thing in food was how to make sourdough starter. [0:34:41] Um, there were, there were 1 million, get this 1 million backyard flocks of chickens started [0:34:50] in 2020, 1 million backyard flocks of chickens. I mean, for, for a year and a half, you couldn't [0:34:55] get chicks from hatcheries. I mean, I know that I'm, I'm in that, you know, I'm in that, that [0:35:00] space. So I know what was going on. It, it, it was a, it was a run on the bank, uh, but it was [0:35:06] a good bank, a bank of, you know, self-reliance and building a parallel, as you said, a parallel [0:35:15] system. So, yeah, there is a huge amount of awareness all over the world, and what you're [0:35:21] seeing with this Catholic land movement, what we're seeing with the homestead movements, [0:35:27] I mean, I was just in Poland this spring, same thing going on there. People don't trust, [0:35:36] When people don't trust the big mainline institutions, they begin breaking up into their own tribes. [0:35:43] And this is a tribalism, a tribalism of trust. [0:35:48] Yeah. Now, I don't know how. [0:35:53] Well, I don't know how to put it. I'm just going to put it out there in Weimar, Germany. [0:35:58] Right. There's been a lot of talk recently. [0:36:01] You know, people, there's a meme going around, why America, right? [0:36:04] Instead of America, they're fusing Weimar Germany. [0:36:08] And this, of course, was the kind of defunct democratic system foisted on Germany after World War I. [0:36:16] And we've all heard the stories about people that would show up to buy a loaf of bread and they would need a, like a truck full of money or wheelbarrows full of money to be able to buy a loaf of bread. [0:36:29] Now, one of the things that happened during that period of time is in the countryside, the farmers, the more agrarian people that were outside of Berlin, outside of the big cities, they were able to kind of pilot through that period of crisis with a relative ease compared to the people with wheelbarrows full of money in the cities. [0:36:53] And I think that there is a growing consensus in this country that, you know, ever since 1971, we're off the gold standard. The money is essentially fake and it's doomed. It's it's it's headed towards catastrophe. [0:37:10] Yeah. And so what are your thoughts about that? Are you do you know anything about that period of history? [0:37:16] Well, yeah, I do. And I'll bring it straight to today. I think that we have been told in our country, in America, we have been told for decades, let us take care of you. You don't have to grow a garden. You don't have to worry about your food. [0:37:33] you know, Nestle and Hershey and Procter and Gamble and whatever, you know, Tyson feeding [0:37:40] you like family. You go on your Caribbean cruise, go to your Walt Disney vacation, [0:37:45] watch the football game on TV, get your Netflix recreation, go to the soccer game. [0:37:51] You don't, you don't have to, you don't have to participate in the visceral foundations of life. [0:37:57] we will take care of you and do all that for you. All of a sudden, here came 2020, [0:38:04] and we had COVID, and the supermarket shelves were empty. And suddenly, millions of people woke up [0:38:11] realizing, well, how do you actually have freedom? How do you get freedom? You don't get freedom [0:38:18] by failing to participate in the visceral foundations of life. Those of us who went [0:38:25] through the early 2020 with not with no, not a blip because we had, we had a base, we, we had a [0:38:31] pantry full of home canned, canned food. We had freezers full of meat. We had, you know, Dave Ramsey, [0:38:37] the economic guru talks about, you know, a six month, um, uh, you know, money, uh, money fund, [0:38:46] um, for, for catastrophes. Well, what about a six month food fund for catastrophes? And, [0:38:52] And so those of us who continue to plant gardens, milk a cow, butcher chickens, gather eggs, cook in our kitchen, develop a pantry, those of us who continue doing those old inconvenient drudgery things of life, guess what? [0:39:08] We were the ones that had freedom. [0:39:10] And so the thing that has struck me, especially since COVID, living through it, is freedom requires participation. [0:39:20] It is a lie. [0:39:21] It is one of the biggest lies of history that you can have freedom and not participate in foundational, authentic living requirements. [0:39:32] It can't be done. [0:39:33] So if you want freedom, you'd better be a participant. [0:39:37] Amen. [0:39:37] Amen. [0:39:38] That's definitely been something that I've been trying to drill into people's heads in this show. [0:39:43] You know, they all, they black bill. [0:39:45] They're like, oh, well, voting doesn't really matter anyway. [0:39:48] And, you know, they just pick their candidate, blah, blah, blah. [0:39:52] And it's like, well, you know what? [0:39:53] That's not happening at your local level. [0:39:56] Your mayor, your city council, your county commissioners, the soil and water district. [0:40:00] These are all super important. [0:40:02] And if you just black bill and throw the baby out with the bathwater, I mean, I do advocate [0:40:08] for boycotting federal elections at this point. [0:40:11] I don't think voting for president matters, but that's because I think voting for mayor [0:40:15] matters more. [0:40:18] Now, where was it? I'm all over the place here. We've got a couple of super chats, [0:40:25] some people with questions. This one comes from Tara Stone Makers who sent $20. Thanks for the [0:40:32] big super chat. Awesome interview, guys. Question for Mr. Salatin. In your experience, [0:40:38] what is the biggest issue with raised garden beds? Thanks so much for your time. [0:40:43] the biggest issue yeah is she asking for the biggest the biggest problem or the biggest benefit [0:40:51] i'm a huge huge fan of raised raised gardens uh our beds that we have our personal garden [0:41:01] are 30 inches high we make them out of a salvaged corrugated uh metal roofing and some and just some [0:41:07] locust poles we put around the outside as an exoskeleton, but 30 inches high. I'm old enough [0:41:14] now that I don't want to bend over any more than necessary. So a 30-inch bed is great. Groundhogs [0:41:19] can't get in it. Rabbits can't get in it. Possums stay out of it. And especially, it's child-friendly. [0:41:27] So if you've got little kids, children, or whatever, raised beds give a real distinctive [0:41:31] a distinctive place this is garden and this is where we walk and so that keeps children from [0:41:38] falling in walking through your you know freshly planted you know beets and and so I'm a huge huge [0:41:45] believer in raised bed gardens of all kinds ours here are actually a combination of hugelkultur [0:41:53] So the bottom, that 30 inches, the bottom two thirds is just wood that gradually rots over time. [0:42:02] The top is soil and dirt. [0:42:04] And then the back to Eden concept is you put old decomposed wood chips on top as a mulch. [0:42:10] And that brings fungus into the bacteria. [0:42:13] So you get fungus and bacteria. [0:42:16] And I can't say enough positive about these garden beds. [0:42:20] All right. [0:42:21] All right. [0:42:22] We have another super chat from Rev Kev North Idaho, who sent $25. [0:42:28] He says, in the Catholic land movement, we try to glorify God in everything we do. [0:42:33] You spoke about man's positive contributions to the world via farming in Coeur d'Alene. [0:42:39] Can you share more here? [0:42:42] Yes, absolutely. [0:42:44] So I'm a big believer that it's all God's stuff. [0:42:47] I mean, that's the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. [0:42:50] So everything is God's stuff is not mine. [0:42:53] Even if I own it, it still ultimately is not mine as God's. [0:42:56] So if God owns it, then I'm only a steward. [0:43:01] I don't have full control. [0:43:03] I can't exploit it. [0:43:05] I can't, or at least I shouldn't, exploit it, rape it, or destroy it. [0:43:10] God deserves a return on investment ROI. [0:43:14] And I would suggest that a dead zone the size of Rhode Island and the Gulf of Mexico is not a very good return on investment. [0:43:21] If somebody did that to my stuff, I'd say they messed it up. [0:43:24] And so we believe that as a result of our pilgrimage here, we should leave more soil, more water, more pollinators, more immunological strength. [0:43:36] Name your value there. [0:43:40] That's all way more valuable than money. [0:43:42] and as a result of our pilgrimage, we should leave it there. The other thing that this means is [0:43:50] that I want to honor and respect the uniqueness, the distinctives of beings, [0:44:02] whether it's a bean plant or a cow or a pig, I want to respect its life formness. [0:44:10] so for example a pig it's not just about how to grow it fatter faster bigger cheaper it's how to [0:44:19] honor the pigness of the pig that is how we create an ethical framework on which we honor the Thomas [0:44:26] of Tom the Marianess of Mary and I would even suggest the godness of God not to be sacrilegious [0:44:31] But the point is, our actions and our attitudes create the framework around which, from a physical plane, in which we then perceive the spiritual plane. [0:44:47] And so, for example, one of the reasons we don't use chemical fertilizer is not because we just don't like chemical fertilizer. [0:44:54] It's because chemical fertilizer is predicated on the philosophical basis that we can have life without death. [0:45:05] And life is all about something that lives, it dies, it decomposes, it rots, and then it's regenerated in something else. [0:45:13] You know, a compost pile. A compost pile is a good example of the life, death, decomposition, regeneration concept. [0:45:20] And so the whole chemical approach is a philosophical notion that we can have life without death. [0:45:28] Well, you can't have life without death. All life requires death. [0:45:32] That's the way the soil was. The soil was not built with 10-10-10 chemical fertilizer. [0:45:36] It was built with sun energy, S-U-N, which has a great parallel to S-O-N energy in the spiritual realm. [0:45:43] This S-U-N energy that makes living things, plants, that photosynthetically convert that energy into a life form, which then is either consumed by an animal or consumed by a microbe. [0:45:57] And it actually decomposes and creates soil to grow another healthy plant that does the same thing. [0:46:04] So you have this wonderful cycle of life. [0:46:06] So actually, all of life is predicated on something dying. [0:46:12] We're all eating and being eaten. That's the idea. And so if that isn't a wonderful spiritual [0:46:19] object lesson, a physical object lesson of spiritual truth, you want to live? You want [0:46:27] to really live? Well, die to yourself. You want salvation? Jesus Christ paid that penalty for us [0:46:33] on the cross to give us salvation. There can be no spiritual life without Christ's sacrifice of [0:46:40] death. And so we see that throughout. And the whole, you know, fake meat, cell cultured meat, [0:46:46] impossible burger, beyond beef, all of it's predicated on, well, there's got to be a way [0:46:51] to have life without death. No, we celebrate, we celebrate the fact that life comes out of death. [0:46:59] And that gives us the right perspective of how precious life is and the expense, [0:47:09] the expense of life, that something had to die. When I eat that carrot and it dies, it's decomposed [0:47:16] in my body and becomes flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone. That carrot gave up its life. [0:47:22] And so this is just a wonderful way to go through the day with a worshipful attitude, [0:47:31] understanding, wow, all this that I see, everything that's living that I see, [0:47:36] required something to sacrifice and die to make it possible. That is a profound and powerful [0:47:42] spiritual application. I totally agree. Totally agree. Totally makes you more connected to the [0:47:50] reality. I think, you know, so much of this modern stuff is just, it's so disconnected from reality. [0:47:58] There's that guy, who's that guy who's going around and he's, he's trying never to die and [0:48:02] He's taking all these peptides and, and it's like not working. [0:48:06] It's not working, you know? [0:48:07] So there is an order. [0:48:09] And when you, uh, when you try to operate outside of the natural order of the universe, [0:48:14] the natural law, things start to break, you know? [0:48:16] Yes. [0:48:17] Uh, still hollow seven cent, $4 and 99 cents. [0:48:22] Really? [0:48:23] You can't do five, four 90. [0:48:25] No, I'm kidding. [0:48:26] Anyway, he said, if you were starting over today on an acre, knowing what you know now, [0:48:31] how would you start? Ah, what a great question. So what I like to do is start with my grocery [0:48:40] bill. What are you buying? What are you buying in groceries? What do you like to eat? What's [0:48:45] taking your grocery bill? Start by substituting food for your grocery bill. Now, you know, [0:48:50] if you're living in Idaho, you probably won't buy, you probably won't grow bananas. But think of the [0:48:56] things that you can grow where you are and start there. Start with plants because plants don't run [0:49:01] away that you can leave them for a few days. They'll be fine as opposed to animals. So start [0:49:09] with and start just what do you like to eat? I don't care if you read it in some homesteading [0:49:15] manual about how wonderful a plant is. If you don't like to eat it, don't plant it. Plant what [0:49:21] you eat and substitute your grocery bill. And remember this, remember this, that every dollar [0:49:26] you save from your living expenses is worth $1.50 because you don't have to pay taxes on it. [0:49:32] So I am a minimalist. I want to live on as little cash as possible to defund the government. And so [0:49:41] rather than trying to figure out how much money I can earn, I always look at how much money, [0:49:46] how little money I actually need to live on. And so that's an inverted way of looking at wealth [0:49:54] of most people, but I find that it actually helps me to appreciate and create, you know, whatever, [0:50:02] mental affirmation around the value of some of the things that I do that don't actually make money, [0:50:09] but they save money. Well, now, you know, I can live on $10,000 a year less, and I don't have to [0:50:16] earn that much. Now I'm not chasing the rat. I gave myself a raise, even though the employer [0:50:22] didn't give me a raise. I gave myself a raise because I cut my living expenses by 10,000. [0:50:27] And, and, and, and, you know, you start down that way. Yeah, totally makes sense. I do want to be [0:50:32] mindful of your time. We've got about five minutes left with you. What animals would you suggest to [0:50:40] start with? If somebody is thinking about getting into homesteading, starting this thing up, [0:50:46] what would your suggest? I mean, obviously chickens are pretty good there, but what about [0:50:51] goats uh well uh animals a chicken is an animal and so uh that's a lay a laying chicken laying [0:51:00] chicken's where i'd start and then you go to the meat chicken which has a very very fast uh grow [0:51:04] grow rate then you go to rabbits which are quiet and generate a tremendous amount of meat and give [0:51:10] the best the best uh fertility for a garden and uh then when you go to the bigger ones so then the [0:51:16] bigger ones, I'm into pigs. The beauty of pigs is that they can give you a lot of compost pretty [0:51:24] quickly, and that's a good thing. You can raise two pigs in a pretty small area with deep bedding. [0:51:32] All this is about deep bedding, like they're on a 24-inch deep pile of wood chips that they can [0:51:40] stir in it soaks up all their manure and urine so pigs then you move over to your herbivores [0:51:46] your goats sheep and cows a cow is the easiest animal control a goat is the hardest animal to [0:51:54] control so that's why you want to wait to start some animals chickens maybe rabbits a couple pigs [0:52:01] do those get familiar with that before you go into something like a goat sheep or cow that [0:52:08] that's going to need that can run away from you. Oh yeah. Totally makes sense. I, [0:52:14] I have a couple, you know, some of my friends are influencers or whatever. And once upon a time, [0:52:20] they decided that it would be funny to make a tick tock about buying a goat and leaving it at [0:52:27] my house. So one day, you know, I come down and they had a goat, they, they let it go. It immediately [0:52:33] ran away and they're taking video of me chasing it all over the property. And then of course we, [0:52:38] you know, put it in a little pen and the thing would get out. How do you keep a goat in a pen? [0:52:45] Because that was. Yeah. The rule of thumb is if your, if your fence won't hold water, it won't [0:52:51] hold a goat. Nice. Now, Joel, where can people find you? Where would you like people to go? I [0:52:59] know you've got your website, polyfacefarm.com. I think this is your actual farm. People in the [0:53:07] area could go and buy beef, pork, all kinds of stuff there. You've got your website, [0:53:13] the lunatic farmer.com. Uh, and of course, Joel is on X at Joel Salatin. Is there, uh, [0:53:22] anything else you'd like to plug while we got you here? Uh, no, I do. I do a blog, um, [0:53:30] musings from the lunatic, uh, farmer, but, uh, yeah, the website polyface farms.com that that's [0:53:36] a comprehensive website that has everything I do, everything the farm does, all our swag books. [0:53:42] You can get a, you can get a t-shirt that says, um, everything I want to do is illegal, [0:53:46] uh, compost, compost, the bureaucrats. Uh, there's all sorts of stuff there. So yeah, [0:53:51] uh, polyface farm. That's the, that's the website. That's awesome. Uh, now hold on a second. I got a [0:53:56] super chat for $10 from Camille Cooper who said, Joel, oh, and this is a big deal. Thank you for [0:54:04] remind me, Joel, with screw worm reappearing in the United States after decades of eradication, [0:54:11] what practical on-farm tactics can be used to reduce attractiveness to the flies or improve [0:54:17] recovery once larvae are present? So the main thing is a healthy herd. These things affect [0:54:27] immunocompromised animals and also injured animals. So don't do any castration until after frost. [0:54:36] Don't do any banding of calves when there are flies around. These things come to wounds. [0:54:43] And so quit wounding your animal, you know, when there are flies around and develop a healthy herd [0:54:50] with good mineral program, good, good, you know, just animal husbandry. And yeah, this is not, [0:54:57] this is not something to worry about. But of course the USDA thrives on striking fear into [0:55:03] everyone. So, you know, the screw worm is really affecting the brain of the USDA. [0:55:09] Ha! That is funny. Well, yeah, definitely. I cannot recommend, and this book is such a, [0:55:16] man, it's, it's heavy, it's thick. It's got all kinds of designs for different, [0:55:21] you know, chicken coops, different kinds of gates and all, you know, whatever, [0:55:27] whatever you need to, to get started. That's poly face designs. And by the way, [0:55:31] I know Thomas Massey has a copy of this on his coffee table. So, you know, that's, [0:55:37] that's pretty cool. I think, but that is very cool. Yeah. Thomas Massey and I are, [0:55:43] Um, he's one of my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my, my. [0:55:49] Oh no. [0:55:50] I, uh, I lost your audio. [0:55:52] You said Thomas Massey and you are. [0:55:55] Yeah. [0:55:55] Thomas Massey is one of my heroes. [0:55:57] Yeah. [0:55:57] There you go. [0:55:58] That's awesome. [0:55:58] Well, Hey, Joel, thank you so much. [0:56:00] Sorry about the technical difficulties. [0:56:01] Maybe one of these days we'll have you back and it'll be a much smoother sailing, but [0:56:05] God bless you. [0:56:06] Thank you so much for everything that you've done. [0:56:08] Uh, and, uh, have a great rest of your day. [0:56:12] Great. [0:56:12] Thank you, David. [0:56:13] Take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All right, everybody. That is, uh, that's amazing. I, [0:56:20] I gotta be honest with you. Hold on. Let me, uh, get that all cleared. There we go. [0:56:24] Listen, I gotta be honest with you. Two things. You know, I interview a lot of people, [0:56:30] right? I interview a lot of people. We've interviewed famous people, Owen Benjamin, [0:56:34] this and that, and I don't get starstruck. Uh, you know, we're all just human beings, [0:56:39] but for whatever reason, uh, I, this was the first interview where I was like actually nervous. [0:56:46] Uh, you know, my wife and I have been reading this guy's books, uh, for years and we really [0:56:51] look up to him and it's kind of weird. It's like, you know, I'll have a Thomas Massey, [0:56:56] you know, I'll go hang out with him, play guitar, have a little jam session. [0:57:00] And it's like, no big deal. You know, we're just bros. Uh, but talking to Joel Salatin and it's [0:57:05] like, oh my gosh, I'm talking to Joel. What do I do? What do I do? And then the, uh, the technical [0:57:12] difficulties were just, uh, unfortunate, but whatever. Oh, well that that's incredible. Thank [0:57:19] you guys also for the super chats. I do appreciate it. And, uh, something that I forgot to mention [0:57:25] at the beginning of the show, it is kind of a big deal. If you live in the area, if you live here in [0:57:31] North Idaho tonight and tonight only. Well, we might, we might make this a recurring thing. [0:57:36] We might do this more often. Uh, but tonight I am going to be leading a public rosary, uh, [0:57:43] at the County building 451 North government way here in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. We're going to be [0:57:51] praying for our elected officials. We're going to be praying for the Republican party and the [0:57:58] precinct committee men and women that lead the Republican Party here because, you know, like I [0:58:05] was saying, we do need good local representation. We do need to ensure that we are active and engaged [0:58:13] at the city and the county level, and we need leaders that will actually represent us, the [0:58:21] people that will respect the rights of Christ the King and help reorder society in a more God-centric [0:58:31] way as opposed to the godless way that society has been since the revolutions of the 1960s. [0:58:38] So tonight at 6.30 p.m., if you are in the area, I do cordially invite you to join me and my family. [0:58:46] will be there at about 6.30. [0:58:50] We'll get, well, maybe a little bit before 6.30, [0:58:52] but we will get kicked off and start praying at 6.30. [0:58:55] We're going to do all 15 decades of the rosary. [0:58:57] It's going to be a marathon, [0:58:58] as well as an act of reparation [0:59:03] to the sacred heart of Jesus, [0:59:05] which has been so horribly wounded by blasphemy [0:59:09] and all kinds of offenses, [0:59:11] And also to pray for this upcoming abortion initiative. [0:59:17] You know, they're trying to bring abortion back here in the state of Idaho. [0:59:21] And not only do we have to get out and doorknock and mobilize the people to get out and vote against this abortion initiative, [0:59:32] but we also got to pray because there's a spiritual aspect to this whole thing. [0:59:38] It's, you know, we're not just purely material beings. [0:59:41] We're spiritual beings, too. [0:59:43] So we've got to do the material things to win, like knocking on doors, voting. [0:59:49] But we've also got to do the spiritual things, and that is asking God for grace and all of that. [0:59:54] And one of the things that also can be done, if you can't make it out tonight, if you can't make it out to pray with us, but you do want to fight the abortion initiative, [1:00:03] You can, for example, purchase some soap and skincare products from our friends at IdahoTalo.com. [1:00:12] You can go to IdahoTalo.com slash for life. [1:00:17] And here it is. Stand for life. 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[1:07:14] And with that, that's the end of the show. [1:07:17] That's all she wrote, everybody. [1:07:18] So thank you all for tuning in today. [1:07:20] It's been absolutely wonderful. [1:07:22] Hanging out and chatting with all of you. [1:07:24] and so with that [1:07:26] I think we're just gonna do a hard out [1:07:28] because I can't play the outro music [1:07:31] unfortunately [1:07:33] but we will be back [1:07:35] this Friday [1:07:37] by the way [1:07:39] with our friend [1:07:41] Thomas777 [1:07:43] let me see if I can [1:07:44] pull up his photograph [1:07:47] where is it [1:07:48] where is it [1:07:50] oh [1:07:51] really [1:07:54] I don't like the way that, uh, I don't like the way that, uh, this has changed. [1:08:02] X.com has changed all their stuff. [1:08:04] But, uh, yeah, don't we have a picture of Thomas 777 here somewhere? [1:08:08] No? [1:08:09] Oh, well. [1:08:09] Whatever. [1:08:10] Thomas 777 will be joining us on Friday. [1:08:14] Friday, 3 p.m. normal time. [1:08:18] we're going to be getting into [1:08:19] all kinds of different history [1:08:22] that [1:08:23] you've probably never heard of before. [1:08:26] So anyway, that's it. That's all I got. [1:08:29] Have a good day. [1:08:32] Bye-bye. [1:08:35] See you later. [1:08:38] Guten Tag. [1:08:41] Yada yada. [1:08:45] Mother [1:08:46] fucker. [1:08:48] Thank you.