Episode 161 — The Hidden History of American Nationalism & the Fight Against Globalism w/ Thomas777

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[0:02:49] And I decided that I'm not going to introduce him. I'm going to let Daryl Cooper introduce him. [0:02:56] So this is from the Tucker Carlson show just, uh, just about a week ago. Let's, let's see what's [0:03:02] going on here. You got to read everything. You got to read stuff even by people who, [0:03:06] you know, uh, all your friends, or maybe even you think of as, uh, you know, on the extreme side, [0:03:12] I'm writing the foreword for a book on the Nuremberg system right now by an author, Thomas Sear. [0:03:18] And he rocks his leather jacket with Iron Cross patches on it, walking around the streets of Chicago, right? [0:03:29] So most people would think, wow, that's an extreme dude. [0:03:32] And he kind of is in certain ways. [0:03:33] But he's a dude who wakes up with a book in his face, goes to sleep with a book in his face, and reads the entire time in between. [0:03:41] He's a good writer and a good researcher and just a very smart guy. [0:03:45] He's worth reading. [0:03:46] He's one of those guys who would not have been available to any of us to read until very recently. [0:03:53] You know, that's one good thing that the Internet has done. [0:03:55] It's broken apart that medium. [0:03:56] When you say the Nuremberg system, what does that mean? [0:03:58] It means. [0:03:59] With that, we will let the man himself describe what is the Nuremberg system, Mr. Thomas 777. [0:04:06] How are you doing today? [0:04:08] I'm doing very well. [0:04:09] Thanks for hosting me. [0:04:11] Yeah, no, this is going to be great. We had the opportunity to meet a couple of times as, you know, as one does in these circles. Hold on a second. My logos aren't working. Where's, where's my logo? There they are. Okay, wonderful. [0:04:26] So, yeah, we had a chance to meet at the Oregon event a year ago, the Antelope Hill Publishing Christmas Party. [0:04:35] You are one of the most interesting people I think I've ever met. [0:04:37] A historian, a gangster, and, you know, we have something kind of in common, too. [0:04:43] We're both, you know, recovered, recovering, whatever you want to call it, dope addicts. [0:04:49] So, yeah, I think that this would be a really interesting conversation. [0:04:52] um tell us about yourself for those that are not living on substack i mean you got banned from you [0:05:00] get banned from twitter like every other week um so yeah they don't like me over there um and then [0:05:07] we use some misconceptions people they seem to think i'm either saying crazy things or i'm like [0:05:12] george lincoln rockwell or something i mean i it not there's anything wrong with people who take [0:05:17] that tact that's just not really what i do when i don't i don't generally use you know racial [0:05:22] language just not because i'm afraid to but i that's just not really my thing you know i've [0:05:27] never violated tos i get banned for substantive reasons they you know they it goes in different [0:05:33] cycles for a while if you if you criticize fauci or the mass mandate to go automatically banned [0:05:39] yeah before that if you if you question the integrity of the of the 2020 election you got [0:05:44] banned. Now it's, if you criticize Israel and the war on Iran, you just get automatically banned. [0:05:50] You know, there's, they'll allow the superficial criticism within certain parameters, but [0:05:55] once you reach a certain tipping point, they just won't allow you to have an account. But I [0:06:00] think social media has kind of run its course anyway, so I'm not lamenting that. But yeah, [0:06:04] that's the story with that. Oh yeah, no, there's definitely something afoot that's happening, [0:06:09] especially in our circles. People are getting out from behind the computer, behind the screens, [0:06:13] linking up, forming fraternal networks in real life, getting together, you know, sharing, sharing [0:06:20] actual experiences with one another in the real world, which I think is important, you know, [0:06:25] especially for the nationalist movement. You know, we're not, we're not going to get anywhere if we [0:06:30] don't take it offline and into the real world. So with that, what is the Nuremberg system? This [0:06:36] has piqued my interest. I'm sure that a bunch of people are also kind of curious. You know, [0:06:40] I've got a friend who just graduated. I forget where he went. I think it was Notre Dame law. [0:06:46] But his thesis paper, whatever, that he had to write to graduate was about the Nuremberg trials. [0:06:54] Of course, Antelope Hill Publishing publishes a wonderful book by David Irving about Nuremberg. [0:07:00] But give us your take on it. What is this? What is this system that we're living under? [0:07:05] well there's a misconception people have this idea you know you don't live under the you don't [0:07:11] live under the the legacy system of george washington and the american revolution you [0:07:17] don't even live under the legacy system of you know what was devised in the wake of union victory [0:07:23] in the war between the states what happened in 1933 was there there's a revolutionary restructuring [0:07:30] the government that's what the new deal was okay every aspect of american way from the way business [0:07:36] is done to you know the uh the you know the way um the way people's patterns of living are determined [0:07:45] to you know people's relationship to public authority that was all changed radically and [0:07:53] the ambitions and the self-identified [0:07:58] razor of government changed radically. [0:08:02] Now, this didn't happen in isolation. [0:08:06] You've got to look at the 20th century. Everything that happened was in dialogue [0:08:10] with revolutionary paradigms [0:08:13] at planetary scale. The most significant of which was the Russian [0:08:17] Revolution and the revolt [0:08:22] of the global south incident to you know sovietism and and and the communist idea you know and of [0:08:28] course concomitant with that the emergence of superpowers you know the soviet union constituted [0:08:34] one sixth of this planet okay um the united states in turn um in what was called a new era [0:08:43] you know in the first decades of the 20th century marshalled the resources of a continent [0:08:47] you know and um america probably as of 1933 contained about half of this planet's remaining [0:08:57] natural resources okay so this had profound implications and there was this decision point [0:09:06] essentially in america as to what role moving forward um power political affairs would [0:09:13] would be you know how they would be addressed and what role america would america would play [0:09:18] therein and so what happened was this ideological cadre of radicals you know with president roosevelt [0:09:26] at the helm captured um you know the the american executive and and decided to pursue a a revolutionary [0:09:37] paradigm in global affairs. And that led to this anti-fascist crusade where Europe was annihilated [0:09:44] and totally destroyed, ethnically cleansed, occupied. And this social engineering regime [0:09:51] was imposed on the planet, initially in alliance with the Soviet Union. Okay. The idea was that [0:09:58] there's going to be this world government, you know, the United Nations is going to be, [0:10:02] The General Assembly is going to be the legislature, you know, kind of the commons. [0:10:07] The Security Council is going to be sort of the upper house. [0:10:10] And the permanent U.N. Security Council is going to be an executive committee of sorts. [0:10:15] And, you know, the United States is going to rule the world, is going to, you know, socially engineer people's identities out of existence, you know, according to historical metrics. [0:10:29] War is going to be abolished. [0:10:31] people's ability to distinguish themselves from others based on ethnic or racial criteria, [0:10:39] that's going to be eradicated. People are going to be forcibly integrated by violence if necessary. [0:10:50] Now, the Soviet Union was supposed to be the junior partner in this enterprise. And of course, [0:10:54] all that changed when the Soviet Union developed a strategic nuclear capability pretty rapidly. [0:11:01] okay and then uh the proverbial die was cast during the berlin airlift it became clear that [0:11:06] stalin and you know the the politburo and the the inner party of the soviet state they weren't [0:11:12] going to tolerate being a junior partner of america all right now there's there's other [0:11:17] things that play there too you know um some people interpret stalin's murder of trotsky [0:11:24] and then the subsequent purging of certain elements within the soviet state and throughout [0:11:29] the warsaw ex-satellite states as being an anti-jewish program of sorts and it was but it's [0:11:34] not like as stalin had some racial idea of the jewish people he viewed jewish identity as a [0:11:40] inimical to the soviet enterprise and a subversive element okay and that was part of it too because [0:11:46] you know you had um you had this internationalist element that um you know viewed the fourth [0:11:53] international as the way forward and was sympathetic to trotsky over over stalin who [0:11:59] was kind of viewed as this uh gangsterish provincial uh sort of almost fascistoid type of [0:12:06] figure you know so there was a sort of perfect storm of circumstances whereby this [0:12:11] this this intractable rift developed between america and the soviet union all right and that [0:12:17] um that's what caused the cold war all right and uh obviously in the aftermath of november 9th 1989 [0:12:27] um this ambition of of true globalism was fully realized you know and uh [0:12:34] however you feel about george uh hw bush and and james baker and brett scowcroft and and that that [0:12:42] that those guys who kind of constituted the diplomatic and national security [0:12:48] and power political cabinet of the Reagan administration, [0:12:53] those guys, they did have a serious vision of power political affairs. [0:13:01] Even if you don't think globalism is a noble ambition, [0:13:04] that really got derailed by the election of Bill Clinton, [0:13:08] you know who was just this kind of vulgar totally unprincipled uh con man [0:13:15] you know who was able who was co-opted um by this uh by by this by this uh ethno-sectarian [0:13:25] element of you know some of whom were very were could very much be described as neocons [0:13:30] Others were kind of traditional Jewish radicals, you know, who'd cut their teeth, you know, during the kind of social revolutionary activities of the 60s. [0:13:43] You know, that's when this kind of concord that had developed between the United States and the Russian Federation fell apart. [0:13:53] And America shifted to a war footing. [0:13:55] You know, the idea was we're going to destroy the Russian Federation. [0:13:58] We're not going to tolerate Russia's continued existence as a discrete people with historical identity. [0:14:03] You know, we're going to we're going to ethnically cleanse Palestine. [0:14:06] We're going to murder the enemies of Israel categorically. [0:14:09] You know, we're going to destroy Iran. [0:14:10] You know, we're going to we're going to essentially assault, annihilate, socially engineer, ethnically cleanse any recalcitrant population of people, you know, who refuse to permit this sort of total spectrum dominance across military, political, cultural affairs by the United States. [0:14:30] animated by this extremist ideology of rabid Zionism, [0:14:38] of breaking down people's sexual mores, [0:14:40] breaking down identitarian characteristics, [0:14:44] eliminating people's religious belief structures. [0:14:48] And that's really the Nuremberg system writ large. [0:14:53] And don't get me wrong, [0:14:55] the alternative to that at the decision point, [0:14:57] Like I said, around 1992, you know, globalism would have happened anyway, but not with the same sort of destructive imperatives around it. [0:15:08] You know, that owes the radicalism of the cadre that won out. [0:15:12] And that's a complicated issue that deals with this kind of push-pull within Washington between different factions among the power elite. [0:15:21] And that's what I mean by the Nuremberg system. [0:15:25] You know, because the parameters of globalism and what they claim are these human rights imperatives and what the American regime, which is the global regime, what its representatives and standarders claim are, you know, the fundamental moral aspects of it. [0:15:48] those things were laid down at the Nuremberg trials that were convened by the International [0:15:54] Military Tribunal. I mean, that's why the show trial was held in the first place. You know, [0:15:59] that's why the third-right leadership weren't just similarly executed, you know, because there had [0:16:06] to be some sort of founding, some sort of ritualized founding act, you know. That's why [0:16:15] it goes away to like how politically illiterate people are like that that cretin uh pete higseth [0:16:22] i mean that man's an avid moron but he's got this idea like yeah i'm the secretary of war [0:16:26] because you know those darn liberals they're they're pussies they you know we're not the [0:16:30] we're not the department of defense it's like the department of defense didn't brand that way [0:16:34] because a bunch of liberals were like we don't like war the idea was war is a policy instrument [0:16:40] It's been declared illegal under pain of annihilation. [0:16:44] The United States is the only power political actor that can legitimately apply military force. [0:16:52] Therefore, we're going to characterize any violence that we, you know, implement against our enemies as defense. [0:16:58] Like that's what it is. [0:16:59] It's very Orwellian. [0:17:00] You know, it's not because liberals wanted to euphemize things. [0:17:05] Now, I was going to say, you mentioned Pete Hagseth, and I saw this clip circulating. [0:17:09] circulating. The man's literally got the IQ of grapefruit, which is a fucking monkey. [0:17:13] Oh my God. Now, you know, as somebody with experience in the music industry, myself as [0:17:21] somebody who, you know, uh, you know, I, I was, I was into it, you know, I, I, for those that, uh, [0:17:28] don't know my background when it comes to like drug addiction and overcoming all of that, I did [0:17:32] a big podcast with, um, what's his name? Millennial, uh, woes, millennial woes. What the fuck is his [0:17:40] name? Yeah. Millennial woes, whatever. Anyway, I was on millennial gave the whole background. [0:17:45] You've got a background in this too. So I'm going to put on this video and tell me what you see [0:17:50] with your eyes. And let's see if we're seeing the same thing today. We, you know, we launched the [0:17:57] motto of the ACCC, which is we do bad things to bad people because for too long, [0:18:02] bad people did bad things to good people inside the United States of America and across Central [0:18:08] and South America. And we're going to empower great Americans and great partners to do really [0:18:14] good stuff and be very capable about bringing violence against drug cartels. Speaking of drugs, [0:18:19] does that not look like a guy that is high as a kite on cocaine? [0:18:25] Or amphetamines or something. Something. [0:18:27] I mean, is he teaching a kindergarten class? [0:18:32] These are the bad people. [0:18:33] We do bad things to the bad people. [0:18:36] I mean, who speaks that way? [0:18:38] Everything. [0:18:39] Like, what adult man talks that way? [0:18:42] All these people in Washington, you know, I mean, they used to, I remember Mrs. Harris and the campaign trail. [0:18:48] I mean, she's obviously a silly person and not serious, but she obviously was under the influence of something. [0:18:56] you know she seemed totally zonked out all the time all these people are you know um [0:19:02] trump himself i think it's more just he's slipping with age and he's got other problems [0:19:07] you know trump doesn't even drink i like i believe that i don't i don't think he's putting [0:19:12] on airs you know what i've got anything nice to say about trump but i but no most of these people [0:19:16] are they're they're probably they probably get a dozen you know narcotics and other things in [0:19:22] their system at any given time but oh it's prescriptions so i'm not a drug addict you know [0:19:26] like it's yeah i i'm sure i'm sure he's all kinds of stuff oh yeah the guy is wild eyed but i'm not [0:19:34] trying to trash the veteran community or whatever but there's the military's got real problems with [0:19:39] that and even um you know the that book uh the fort bragg cartel i'm not a big fan of the guy [0:19:47] who wrote it but a lot of what he alleges in there is well documented you know he's talking about [0:19:52] I mean, the guy who's the main subject who was murdered and sent it to some really shady feelings, that guy was a known crack addict. [0:20:01] Like, literally, he was smoking crack every single day. [0:20:04] And I'm not trashing him for having a drug problem. [0:20:06] I mean, I'm the last person who throws stones from a glass house. [0:20:10] But this guy's a tier one operator. [0:20:11] And it's a known fact, oh, he's got a crack habit. [0:20:14] Like, what the hell is going on here? [0:20:16] You know, you're not a functioning person if you're on crack. [0:20:18] You're just not. [0:20:19] And I mean, it's not like, you know, oh, hey, Larry drinks a little too much. [0:20:23] It's this dude is in, you know, the most elite unit or the most elite branch of the U.S. Army. [0:20:30] And he's doing cocaine every single day. [0:20:33] And that's considered not a way to normal. [0:20:34] I mean, that's insane. [0:20:36] Oh, yeah. [0:20:37] Yeah. [0:20:37] And I was going to say, you know, there's something to about and it's not just Hegseth. [0:20:40] It's everywhere. [0:20:41] But people have become like infantilized. [0:20:44] Like, I don't know what it is. [0:20:46] You know, I was even at this event last night and it was a good event, you know, training people how to doorknock and, you know, get out the vote and stuff like that. [0:20:54] But it was like led by this woman. [0:20:56] And it's like it felt like being in kindergarten class. [0:20:59] It's like, you know, most of the people in the room are like 65 plus. [0:21:03] We're adults here. [0:21:04] You don't need to talk to me like I'm a kindergartner, you know. [0:21:07] And it's not just like I said, it's everywhere. [0:21:10] Everything about our society has become dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. [0:21:14] and, you know, oh, I'm sorry, did that hurt your feelings? [0:21:18] And, you know, all of this bullshit, you know, it's just incredible. [0:21:21] It's like gentle parenting run wild everywhere. [0:21:27] I don't know how to put it. [0:21:29] But where did you get into history? [0:21:35] What sparked your interest? [0:21:38] Has this always been something that you were interested in or? [0:21:42] yeah i mean but for the time you know you develop i i don't think neuroscientists and [0:21:50] psychiatrists and the like they suggest that most people develop what they what's called a civic [0:21:57] awareness around nine or ten years old when you're in that kind of prepubescent phase and you come [0:22:02] to understand that there's a world around you beyond just you know your parents and where you [0:22:06] go to school and your neighbors and there's there's power and social structures that organize [0:22:12] the your day-to-day life you know you don't understand this at any profound level but you [0:22:17] understand it exists and i think that's basically accurate you know when i was when i was eight nine [0:22:23] ten years old i started thinking about these things in in a systemic way albeit not in a [0:22:29] developed way and you know my dad my dad's uh was a political economist and he was very insinuated [0:22:36] in the the cold war you know and and strategic planning therein so that kind of stuff was always [0:22:46] sort of at the forefront of my household in terms of you know discussions between my mom and dad [0:22:52] you know when they were still living as man and wife and stuff and my my dad and i always had [0:22:58] kind of a deeper core you know i had two brothers um growing up but i think especially with fathers [0:23:06] and sons ditto mothers and daughters there's usually one son or one daughter that the same [0:23:11] sex parent sort of relates to more than the others so i kind of took after my dad even though i'm [0:23:18] sort of the prodigal son but uh i you know so it was a kind of a combination of my my dad's [0:23:26] influence on me. And, you know, I just sort of innate instincts I had towards systemic and [0:23:36] structural thinking. And it just seemed like the sort of natural trajectory of what I would start [0:23:44] researching. And I always had, you know, I was always a bookworm and any sort of science or [0:23:49] history or academic book i wanted my dad would buy for me you know so i you know he and i'd be at the [0:23:57] mall or we'd be out running errands you know we go to the hardware store or something and he always [0:24:00] wanted to dip into the bookstore because he you know this is pre-internet so you know he'd get [0:24:05] like the financial times the dear times wall street journal looks he had you had to filter [0:24:08] through like half a dozen papers to get a conceptual picture of what's happening in the world [0:24:13] you know and uh so i find a book on the third row because of vietnam war and be like i want that [0:24:17] book yeah i'll buy it for you so i mean i i started reading about you know at the first [0:24:22] history we started reading you know my dad's something of a scholar on the indian wars there [0:24:26] was always stuff about crazy horse and sitting bull and custer uh you know on our bookshelf at [0:24:31] home and the war between the states so i read his books on on those topics and then i i got really [0:24:36] into reading about the vietnam war and the third reich and stuff you know um that's that's that's [0:24:41] how it started and then i i got into more i got into game theory and formal logic and things [0:24:46] early on like i didn't like going to high school and i i i kind of troubled adolescence to be [0:24:53] delicate about it but i and i i didn't go to school i cut school a lot and stuff but i was always [0:24:58] i was always into intellectual pursuits not related to what they're trying to get me to do [0:25:03] in school so that's when i get into game theory and formal logic you know and things like that and [0:25:09] that i mean that's that's that's the short answer nice yeah so it's been uh been there your whole [0:25:15] life. That's amazing. Now, the term revisionist history, right, that is usually thrown around as [0:25:26] kind of a weapon or a dirty word. Oh, well, he's a revisionist. You know, what actually is [0:25:32] revisionism? Because I don't think it's inherently bad or evil, actually. I think it's kind of an [0:25:39] important pursuit. Uh, could, could you explain what, what that process of revisionism is? [0:25:47] Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously when people invoke the term pejoratively, [0:25:51] they're talking about people who, who refuse to abide the, the, the, the theological, um, [0:26:00] structure of what they call the Holocaust, which is a, which is a religious imperative. It's, [0:26:05] it's nothing to do with historical events or anything like that and i mean just on its face [0:26:10] we don't talk we don't talk about historical events in terms of holocaust a holocaust is a [0:26:15] burnt offering to a god right like that's not the way to talk about historical events um [0:26:20] so revisionism generally i mean it depends on it means there are these different people [0:26:25] um generally we apply it at least in you know terms of the kinds of stuff the [0:26:34] ihr primarily emphasizes you know it it's a analysis that is uh critical of the moral [0:26:46] narrative surrounding the nuremberg system and you know these uh there's this sort of academic [0:26:56] culture wherein adolf hitler is the stand-in for satan the the united states uh is this [0:27:05] crusading moral actor that represents absolute good contract absolute evil the second world war [0:27:12] was fought because this this ersatz satan figure adolf hitler for no apparent reason aimed to [0:27:20] dominate the world and the war was caused by this murder conspiracy against the jewish people [0:27:26] the entire raison d'etre of the german reich being murdering jewish people um and uh america being [0:27:34] forced into this war by the designs of these satanic evil forces you know this this is this [0:27:40] on its face a totally insane narrative like no rational person honestly believes that um unless [0:27:47] they're very unsophisticated but you know for example in occupied europe you will literally [0:27:52] be indicted and go to jail if you criticize that narrative it's the state religion and here [0:27:58] diminished as it is that there still is a first amendment the authorities can't lock you in jail [0:28:04] for writing books like i do but until very recently there was this bully pulpit enjoyed by [0:28:11] the establishment, you know, and the regime and adjacent, you know, academic institutions and [0:28:17] NGOs. And there were profound barriers to entry. If you wanted to write about history from a [0:28:23] critical perspective, you know, you'd simply, you simply wouldn't get published or you'd be held [0:28:28] out as some sort of extremist or some buffoon in legacy media. You'd get fired if you worked for, [0:28:35] you know, in an academic setting. I mean, obviously that's not, they can't censor people [0:28:39] like that anymore you know because anybody can anybody can publish a book and promote it [0:28:45] themselves and there's all these autonomous channels of disseminating information like [0:28:51] we're doing right now so that that changed everything you know and uh revisionism also [0:28:56] it doesn't just apply to the second world war although because that's such a founding [0:28:59] myth of the current system and because uh that's the rationale for the dominant [0:29:09] faction of the power elite and you know these the you know that this this kind of ongoing ethnic [0:29:15] cleansing campaign and and uh against uh palestine and darl islam you know they rationalize it based [0:29:22] on this this uh this religious narrative of of martyrdom and things so it's it's got an [0:29:29] outside significance but you know there's uh i read a lot about the cold war as well and and [0:29:36] and specifically the Vietnam conflict, [0:29:38] because that's something that's totally misunderstood [0:29:41] and mischaracterized by most people, [0:29:46] even most people on the right, you know, [0:29:49] and it's essential to understanding the variables [0:29:54] and the pertinent factors therein [0:29:59] that generally aren't discussed [0:30:00] or that aren't presented in a coherent [0:30:04] or complete capacity you know so i think of revisionism as being sort of all-encompassing [0:30:12] but also there's a there's a problem in america because and this this precedes the current regime [0:30:19] but america has always looked at history as either this uh they've already looked at it [0:30:28] in almost Malthusian terms, you know, oh, well, there's these kinds of material variables [0:30:34] that are determinative and you're really into population or sociobiology or resource competition, [0:30:43] you know, and it leaves out the truly human factor. Or there's a kind of general disdain for [0:30:54] continental philosophy and particularly european metaphysics you know and first and foremost [0:31:01] i think i mean if even if you're not a christian or a moslem or a conventional [0:31:08] conventionally religious person you know there is a mysterious aspect to historical development [0:31:14] and the processes therein and i think it's it's indisputable that process that that that [0:31:20] processes and aspects of mind uh the fundamentally the the prime move on in the historical process [0:31:28] and it's not my idea i mean that's the hegelian idea and in america you know again even even [0:31:34] people who are receptive otherwise to revisionist perspectives or uh non-traditional perspectives [0:31:43] at least in the american context they'll look at this oh that's that's just so much metaphysics or [0:31:47] You know, we don't, we don't believe in that stuff here. It's like, well, I, yeah, we do, [0:31:51] because that's the subject matter. Right. You know, you can't dismiss these things or factor [0:31:56] these things out because, you know, you can't, you can't, you can't quantify them according to, [0:32:01] um, um, you know, according to, uh, a, a balance sheet or something. [0:32:08] Right. Right. And I mean, like, you know, when it comes to conflicts like the Spanish civil war, [0:32:13] I don't understand how anybody could truly see that conflict without looking through the lens of religion because it was a crusade. [0:32:27] That's what motivated the, you know, the car lists and the the the Riquete armies and all of, you know, it wasn't just over like materialism or resources. [0:32:41] It was it was something much deeper that touched their soul, their identity. [0:32:47] Well, the traditional view is that war arrives like the seasons. [0:32:51] you know you don't you don't go to war because you know country a doesn't go to war because [0:32:58] country b has more grain than them you know despite klausowitz was a genius obviously and [0:33:05] there's no to be gleaned from him but warfare isn't politics by other means you know you don't [0:33:10] go to war to capture rational objectives there's war war is a rational process within the bounded [0:33:15] the parameters of its, you know, conduct. [0:33:19] But, you know, again, war arrives like the seasons, you know, and that's why, I mean, [0:33:23] this is why I write a lot about the Vietnam conflict because, I mean, there's a lot there, [0:33:31] you know, and I mean, America couldn't just declare the Truman Doctrine to be policy and [0:33:37] then subsequently declare, no, actually, it's not policy. [0:33:40] We're just kidding. [0:33:40] You know, I mean, the credibility was paramount and it didn't matter where the communists pushed, whether it was Vietnam, whether it was Nicaragua, whether it was Angola. [0:33:51] It didn't matter. It doesn't matter that, you know, there's not vital resources in Vietnam. [0:33:58] America's either going to defend, you know, the global south and what was then called the third world or it wasn't. [0:34:06] You know, it was ideological. That's where the Cold War went hot. [0:34:10] So, you know, the proverbial call had to be answered if America was going to wage the Cold War. [0:34:18] And because that was declared policy, unless the plan was to see the, you know, again, the contested territorial imperatives to the second world. [0:34:31] Well, I guess it had to be fought because that was policy. [0:34:33] You know, there wasn't, the Vietnam War wasn't a conspiracy to sell helicopters or whatever, Oliver Stone things, or to steal rubber from Burma. [0:34:45] You know, that's not the way things are. [0:34:48] Right. Well, give us the rundown. Give us the rundown on the Vietnam War. [0:34:54] That's what I just said. The Truman Doctrine was policy or it wasn't. [0:34:57] You can't say, we are going to fight wherever the free world is under attack by Marxist-Leninist forces and then say, no, actually, we're not because people die and it's unpopular. [0:35:10] I mean, that's what it was. [0:35:12] And the real issue is, I mean, think about this. [0:35:15] there literally was a national media presence. [0:35:20] And in those days, there was a true bully pulpit. [0:35:23] Walter Cronkite's coming on TV [0:35:25] and declaring that this war is unwinnable. [0:35:29] I mean, like, imagine if during World War II, [0:35:31] imagine if when the U.S. Army got utterly laid to waste [0:35:37] by the Wehrmacht at Kasserine Pass. [0:35:39] Imagine if Walter Winchell went on the radio and said, [0:35:41] Roosevelt is lying to you. [0:35:43] This war is unwinnable. [0:35:45] he would have been arrested right like no doubt about it he would um the network would have been [0:35:50] shut down he would have been arrested no questions asked sure you know so in vietnam you've got um [0:35:58] basically for two through two successive administrations you got a hostile congress [0:36:03] you had a national media apparatus declaring that this war is illegitimate and illegal [0:36:08] you've got uh entire um you got people stealing um eyes only reports from the pentagon [0:36:19] selling them to newspapers you know going public with this stuff this is totally insane [0:36:24] and it's just like oh well that's you know in a free society this is how we do things [0:36:28] are you out of your fucking mind i mean like that's when when tens of thousands of american [0:36:34] young urans are dying in theater um the soviet union uh is accomplishing genuine parody [0:36:42] you know the in military terms the communists are winning the cold war and you've got this [0:36:50] active fifth column and people just pretending that this is you know look this is this is just [0:36:54] what it is to live in a democratic society that's totally insane you know right um i mean it was all [0:37:01] it was things like that you know i mean that's you could fill 10 volumes on this but that's why [0:37:06] you know you know and it also uh let's also too i mean this is included in my book my latest book [0:37:13] that's dropping imminently um you know the stuff like the mi-lai incident uh that was very above [0:37:21] board and uh it was reported in stars and stripes that this was a great victory you know this this [0:37:28] was a this was an enemy um stronghold that was sustaining uh an nlf cadre that was taken off the [0:37:35] map in one of the most highly contested regions in theater you know uh and it was presented as [0:37:43] if that this is when america lost its innocence it's like do you realize that over hamburg in [0:37:48] two days we burned alive 50,000 people that's 25 9-11s like that's cool but I don't know [0:37:58] shooting to pieces a couple hundred Vietnamese that's when America lost its soul I mean it's [0:38:04] just just all this honesty yeah you know I'm trying to trying to mark this out as some outlier [0:38:09] sure you know as if it's not the face of modern war but yeah I mean it's things like that I was [0:38:14] even the, you know, the camps that we set up in Europe after World War II, the way that we treated [0:38:21] the Germans and starving them to death in the Eisenhower camps, you know? Oh yeah. Well, we [0:38:27] also locked Germans, Japanese, and Italians in concentration camps here. Like I wonder what, [0:38:32] I wonder what happened to those people and Japanese bombers were burning alive 50,000 [0:38:38] Americans in one day. Hmm. Hmm. Now that also, you know, it kind of reminds me of this thought [0:38:46] that I've, I've had over the years, you know, which is, I think the first amendment to a certain [0:38:53] degree is kind of misunderstood in that when you look at the American revolutionaries, right? The, [0:39:03] you know, the John Adams, Sam Adams and Paul Revere, right? That whole thing. And there was [0:39:11] an article about it in USA Today about a decade ago. I can't pull it up. I don't remember what [0:39:16] it's called right now, but basically it was talking about how the colonists were running [0:39:22] a sophisticated intelligence network that Paul Revere and Sam Adams were a part of. You know, [0:39:29] most people know Sam Adams, they think the beer, you know, he owned a brewery, he owned a bar, [0:39:34] but that's not what his thing was. His thing was actually the printing press in the back [0:39:40] of, of, um, of his bar, you know, and he was a propagandist, uh, and he spent a lot of time, [0:39:47] you know, whipping the colonists up. I guess some kid had like stolen a piece of bread and [0:39:52] he was maltreated by the red coats. They spent about a month pushing propaganda, [0:39:58] whipping people up. One night, he brings everybody into the bar, gets everybody drunk and says, [0:40:02] you know, we're going to go, we're going to go to the Capitol. And then they stage this false flag [0:40:07] where as far as I can tell, you know, the alternate history of this thing, maybe revisionist history [0:40:13] is that Sam Adams was up in a balcony with a, with a sniper and they shot a black guy because [0:40:20] to them, the black guy wasn't really a full citizen. So he is expendable. So they shoot the [0:40:26] black guy. And then the entire crowd that's now drunk because they had free booze over at Sam [0:40:33] Adams bar, they go nuts. A riot ensues. And then the red codes did what they would do. They, they [0:40:39] started shooting people because they, they didn't know what was going on. Right. So when I look at [0:40:45] the first amendment, it's like they're enshrining the weapon that they use to overthrow the British. [0:40:52] That's the first order of business is to secure that weapon of freedom of the press, essentially. [0:40:59] Does that make any sense? Am I crazy? [0:41:02] Well, it's also, too, I mean, it's like, look at, I mean, thankfully, the Nixon Foundation, they're doing a lot of good work. [0:41:10] And they've got a lot of younger guys who manage their online presence. [0:41:14] but this well this idea too that you know nixon was this maniac and you know this was [0:41:20] the imperial executive at its worst you know these guys there's this there's this myth that [0:41:26] oh you know these stalwart kind of hippie reporters were the ones who broke watergate well i mean [0:41:32] first of all i call watergate the seinfeld scandal because it's literally the scandal about nothing [0:41:36] and no one can explain what it's actually about because it's not about anything it's just your [0:41:40] Nixon was a really bad guy, man. [0:41:42] But these guys, look at Mark Felt and all these creeps who set the whole thing up. [0:41:49] There's a bunch of cops, FBI guys, weirdo intelligence bag men, real grimy deep state guys. [0:41:57] It wasn't these long-haired journalists who were hanging around hate Ashbery trying to bring truth to power or whatever the boomer phraseology might be. [0:42:09] It was very much deep state security apparatus types, you know, intelligence operatives, cops like like these guys are protecting us from ourselves. [0:42:20] You know, I mean, so it's very dishonest. And of course, to something that is something that a big effort from the judiciary, you know, from the 70s and then in earnest, the 90s was, you know, basically they basically abolished the First Amendment. [0:42:39] in terms of what it, of what was legislative intent. And, uh, so now, you know, again, um, [0:42:47] if you, uh, if you go around, uh, criticizing regime narratives, you'll find yourself [0:42:52] deplat, you'll find yourself deplatformed, but pornography has absolute protection, [0:42:56] you know, so political speech is banned, but pornography is okay. So they basically abolished [0:43:01] free speech, but then decriminalized obscenity and said, Oh, free speech is actually obscenity. [0:43:06] right um so that that's very interesting and very insidious yeah oh for sure pornography is a weapon [0:43:12] you know there is that uh there is that little anecdote of what happened i think it was 2001 or [0:43:18] 2002 in ramallah 2006 oh six okay there you go uh well you can tell the story you probably know [0:43:25] better than me the israelis came in they occupied the place took over the tv stations put snipers [0:43:31] on the rooftops and then started broadcasting pornography and if anybody tried to leave their [0:43:35] house they'd get shot i mean well yeah the also in the bundes republic in the early days of [0:43:42] the occupation of uh of west germany and and west berlin the allies started flooding germany [0:43:51] with pornography you know and it's like why why are they doing that it's like if if pornography [0:43:56] is this benign thing or or if it's you know some positive good like why why is israel incident to [0:44:05] like their ethnic cleansing operations flood the the battle space of pornography you know and why [0:44:11] why yeah why is it is it because they're trying to is it because they're trying to like sexually [0:44:16] liberate palestine like where we when germany was being starved out and [0:44:20] debbieed up and i think we clans were the allies trying to help the germans by giving them porn [0:44:25] like i speculate not yeah it's totally absurd on its face and you can actually [0:44:31] kind of trace that whole thing back to like, you know, the Marquis de Sade, right? In the French [0:44:37] Revolution, this guy was a pornographer. He would, you know, using the technology that they had at [0:44:42] the time, which was the theater, you know, the cabaret, whatever, they would use pornography, [0:44:49] naked women, lust, all of this stuff to disorder people and whip up a revolutionary sentiment [0:44:58] in them and then they would focus it and unleash it as actual revolution. It's very clear that [0:45:06] pornography is a weapon. It's not free speech. It should be banned. Only fans, fuck me. [0:45:15] Now, with that being said, give us a little history lesson here. Can you kind of take us [0:45:23] through the history of American nationalism, because this is, you know, obviously we've got [0:45:28] people like, you know, Nick Fuentes, you've got Thomas Rousseau, Patriot Front. You've got all of [0:45:35] these different things kind of bubbling up. You've got a new kind of consciousness emerging, you know, [0:45:41] more on like the side of like economic populism, but also like we got to support people. America [0:45:46] is not just an idea. It's not magic soil. You know, this is all kind of coming, you know, back [0:45:51] to a head, and I think this might be the third or fourth kind of go around, at least even in the [0:45:57] last hundred years of this movement kind of rearing its head, if you will. Give us an overview [0:46:07] of the history of American nationalism and where we are today. [0:46:13] Well, if I, you mean nationalism, a kind of racial consciousness or ethno-sectarian [0:46:21] consciousness that centers around uh an american national identity that really came about at the [0:46:29] war between the states you know i the confederacy was something different and if you're talking [0:46:35] about the true sort of right-wing america and the organic original organic sense that was [0:46:40] represented by the confederacy for better or worse okay that's one of the reasons why there's this [0:46:46] war on confederate heritage and it's not it's not oh because of slavery slavery precedes written [0:46:51] language in the fossil record there was there was slavery in the north that's not why it's it's [0:46:55] become this thing right okay i mean i'm sure people can recognize so the interesting happened [0:47:03] and i'm writing about this right now actually what was called the new era the uh the first uh [0:47:10] decades of the 20th century you know woodrow wilson despite being in despite the fact that [0:47:15] you know people at at ngos or think tanks like the von mises institute hold him out like he was [0:47:21] this like he was like some kind of like bill clinton type figure or something this huge liberal [0:47:25] he was not at all his father was a chaplain in the confederate army um he was an arch segregationist [0:47:33] he screened the first film screened in the white house was birth of a nation [0:47:37] and Wilson said this is the greatest film ever made. [0:47:40] And he presided, he dedicated the Confederate monument [0:47:45] at Arlington Cemetery. [0:47:48] And a number of things started happening around the new era. [0:47:56] The clan, the second era clan, as it was called, [0:47:59] didn't really take off till the 20s, [0:48:01] but it rapidly accrued millions of members, [0:48:04] which is totally insane. [0:48:06] and the clan went for example went from being this this very this kind of lost cause neo-confederate [0:48:14] thing people associated with rural people and thought it was kind of quaint and weird [0:48:18] it's it's biggest uh contributing states for memberships became indiana iowa illinois ohio [0:48:26] it became this northern thing and people started identifying in the new era not so much [0:48:32] with their locale, but with Americanism. [0:48:35] And the idea was, it was very sectarian also. [0:48:39] America's white and Protestant. [0:48:41] Real Americans are white and Protestant. [0:48:44] It wasn't a particular, I mean, they were segregationists, [0:48:47] but they weren't particularly anti-black. [0:48:49] Because why would they be? [0:48:50] Because, I mean, blacks hadn't been employed [0:48:53] as a battering ram by radicals at that time. [0:48:56] And they were like 9% of the population. [0:48:58] Their big thing was sectarianism. [0:49:02] what's that i was gonna say uh anti-catholic uh sentiment big time yeah they broke down [0:49:08] because uh you know trump's father fred trump he got arrested for a fray when he had a bunch [0:49:16] of clan guys mixed it up with a bunch of irish cops and uh the propaganda from both sides [0:49:22] was really interesting and very sectarian coded but people yeah people seriously knew where a [0:49:27] Klan with being very anti-Catholic, very anti-Jewish. [0:49:31] And that's a whole other thing. [0:49:32] That owes to the Leo Frank incident. [0:49:34] And that's a discussion for another time. [0:49:37] But the Klan imploded going to a kind of banal political corruption and a scandal. [0:49:46] D.C. Stevenson, who really was a bad guy and a real cynic, he took on this Klan or identity [0:49:57] He was an Indiana Republican. [0:49:59] And then he became, you know, Mr. KKK when he realized that this was the path to high office. [0:50:06] And I believe he wanted to be president. [0:50:07] But as the global economy collapsed, you know, well, first of all, too, like the kind of new era white nationalists got their way. [0:50:22] I mean, there was 100,000 Klan in Marston, Washington, and the 1924 Immigration Reform Act shut down immigration for 40 years. [0:50:32] So it worked. [0:50:34] But then, of course, you get the New Deal, and the guys who populated sort of the new era nationalist cadre, they became the core of America first. [0:50:49] America first was complicated because you also had guys on the left not like liberals but you [0:50:54] know labor socialists and stuff who joined America first guys like Dalton Trumbo there's a diverse [0:50:58] coalition but the American right of uh the Hoover era into the new deal was uh was America first [0:51:08] that was the American right and of course those people were actively persecuted during the [0:51:14] roosevelt years culminating in in the in this in the the sedition trial you know which became a [0:51:20] fiasco because by that time among other things the new dealers were losing their mandate but [0:51:24] you know i make this point a lot and um here's an important point if you read kennedy's uh [0:51:32] profiles and courage you know he wrote it in in the 50s uh when he was uh this up and coming [0:51:39] hall and um it profiles nine uh [0:51:44] political figures in american history who it's called profiles and courage because it's about [0:51:50] guys who you know went against the grain and showed courage by taking the minority position [0:51:54] well the the final chapter is about robert taft and senator taft publicly advocated against the [0:52:03] nuremberg trials because he was an america first uh standard bearer so why did kennedy [0:52:10] lionize him because america first after nuremberg it became for all practical purposes illegal [0:52:16] you know there was no you can't be america first anymore american nationalism's done [0:52:21] you know it's for all practical purposes you know you know totally uh rendered non-respectable [0:52:28] so what kenny was basically doing is saying this is a eulogy for the american right because now we [0:52:35] can pat these guys on the back because they're done we totally defeated them you know and they'll [0:52:40] never rise again so after world war ii what is the right nobody knows you know there's eisenhower who [0:52:50] was basically a placeholder i mean eisenhower was incredibly powerful but he was apolitical [0:52:55] you know he was he was this uh he was a he was a general probably the most powerful military [0:53:01] figure since pershing you know he's just kind of sitting atop the executive as the cold war [0:53:07] gets underway so nobody knows exactly what the right is since the real practical purpose is the [0:53:13] right's been abolished so they draft uh barry goldwater who's this kind of weird gadfly guy [0:53:20] who was giving speeches about we need to abolish the IRS. [0:53:24] You know, I mean, it's like, who is this guy? [0:53:26] He's the kind of guy who writes editorials in the National Review [0:53:32] that, you know, you're kind of, you know, Cantanker's grandpa says, [0:53:36] you know, this guy's got the right idea. [0:53:39] So, I mean, he gets utterly clobbered. [0:53:41] You know, his campaign's a joke. [0:53:43] And then nobody knows exactly what the right is, [0:53:49] but then suddenly you get guys like wallace coming along and something interesting happens [0:53:54] with wallace because amidst this kind of you know as the regime is using integration to destroy [0:54:01] parish communities in the north and reimpose uh reconstruction on the south something happens [0:54:07] that's never happened before you get these like northern ethnic white guys like boston irish guys [0:54:13] you know new york city italians and what have you you know lithuanian guys in chicago they're voting [0:54:19] they're backing wallace along with you know these southern southern white protestant redneck guys [0:54:24] that's never happened before right okay and interestingly something a lot of people don't [0:54:30] realize after robert kennedy was murdered a bunch of guys who've been backing rfk defected to wallace [0:54:37] you know so that's kind of a peely head so what nixon does in substantial measure per pet buchanan [0:54:46] nixon approaches the wallace coalition that's what the silent majority is you know it's northern [0:54:53] white ethnics and white southern protestants voting on the same ticket because we're the [0:54:58] silent majority we're both being targeted by the regime and we're the real america [0:55:03] okay so that's what watergate was because nixon uh you can you can say that like the 68 election [0:55:12] was a fluke but then nixon wins in another landslide you know and that's in the deep state [0:55:18] shit his pants and they're like this is not acceptable okay so there's the coup against [0:55:24] nixon all right now the republicans regroup and reagan was an interesting figure because reagan [0:55:32] on the one hand he absolutely was elected by the nixon coalition which was the wallace coalition [0:55:37] but reagan reagan wasn't some arch right winger first of all the dude he was the president of the [0:55:44] screen actors guild and this becomes relevant reagan was a big new dealer okay and he was this [0:55:50] hollywood guy reagan's defection was you know during the height of the house american activities [0:55:56] committee he gave up uh screen actors guild members who were involved in subversive activities [0:56:05] you know he basically gave up all the names so then he became you know this he became kind of [0:56:12] arch enemy of the left okay but you know he also though was like uh an acceptable [0:56:19] an acceptable front man to kind of the you know the east coast uh rockefeller republican types [0:56:26] so reagan could get away with things a man like nixon could not okay and uh what mega is [0:56:34] mega is or was i think meg is done but mega is the reagan coalition which is the nixon coalition [0:56:43] which is the wallace coalition and again that's why the deep state went utterly berserk when [0:56:48] donald trump was elected yeah i mean which was totally predictable which i mean it's obvious to [0:56:53] anybody wasn't an idiot that trump was going to get elected by you know a wide margin i mean i [0:56:58] couldn't you couldn't uh a uh a talking dog it could carry an election against hillary clinton [0:57:05] hillary clinton was the most hated political figure in this country other than johnson probably [0:57:10] the last hundred years and you had these literal retards at what was like yeah she's a really good [0:57:15] candidate i mean people are literally delusional the point being you know that's why trump the guy [0:57:21] is wasn't important you know and trump's not i don't think trump believes in anything but he [0:57:28] himself too, I mean, look at [0:57:30] I don't want to make this [0:57:31] I don't want to go on some rant [0:57:34] about Trump, but [0:57:35] look, I mean, go back and [0:57:38] read the statements he'd [0:57:40] make about people like Pat [0:57:42] Buchanan. I mean, the guy's [0:57:44] basically a liberal anti-racist. [0:57:46] You know, New Yorker. [0:57:49] The fact that [0:57:50] and everybody knows that. I mean, other [0:57:52] than the most ignorant kind of [0:57:53] silly Antifa type, [0:57:56] Nobody actually thinks Donald Trump is some big fascist. [0:57:59] It's certainly not the deep state. [0:58:00] They don't think that. [0:58:01] The issue with Trump was not Trump the guy. [0:58:05] It was the constituency that elected him. [0:58:07] And it was the silent majority slash Wallace coalition reemerging with savage earnest. [0:58:13] And that was unacceptable. [0:58:15] I mean, that's the way to understand it. [0:58:16] So that's the American right in a nutshell. [0:58:20] Yeah. [0:58:20] No, I think that's a really good encapsulation of it. [0:58:24] you know, a lot of people, yeah, I mean, so many people just don't know their history at all. And [0:58:30] what history they do know is fake, generally speaking. And so, yeah, it is interesting to [0:58:38] view that. Now, what about the radical right? Because there's a lot going on there, right? [0:58:44] When we're talking about, for example, Christian identity or, you know, there's this book. [0:58:53] I actually got it. Look at this. I actually know where the damn book is. There's this book called The Committee of the States by Sherry Seymour. I don't know if you've ever read this guy, but it's kind of a look in the radical right. This was she was initially an independent journalist from Southern California. [0:59:12] She actually moved to where I live here in Post Falls, Idaho, and was one of the first people to go on the scene investigating the Oklahoma City bombing. [0:59:23] But there is kind of a different side of the right, and that is this radical right. [0:59:28] The tax protesters, the posse comitatus, the— [0:59:34] Well, yeah, I've written extensively. I think of it as the old resistance. [0:59:38] Yes. [0:59:38] The old resistance was people like Richard Butler, William Pierce, Tommy Metzger. [0:59:47] Metzger was a big deal somewhat in Chicago because the skinhead movement was big here, especially in the early 90s. [0:59:55] And when things got, when the racial situation got really bad, coast to coast, Metzger became kind of a, he became kind of ubiquitous in media. [1:00:05] but butler he was affiliated with uh dougie pelly and silver shirts yes and uh there was some [1:00:14] cross-pollination between america first and guys like silver shirts but you're that's kind of a [1:00:20] different phenomenon okay and what i think i make this point in something i'm some longer stuff i'm [1:00:26] working on right now there was a national socialist resistance and exile and francis [1:00:33] parker yaki was very much affiliated with those guys and that's very murky and very complicated [1:00:38] and uh they were large there was a lot a lot of those guys were also getting money from [1:00:43] the east germans and things like that and uh the national renaissance party [1:00:51] led by james hartung metal he was very much sort of a an intermediary between uh these national [1:01:00] socialist guys in exile like Otto Remmer, like Johan von Leers, like Hans Rudow and the East [1:01:10] Bloc and some of these people like H.K. Thompson in America and Francis Yaki. Those guys were, [1:01:17] this is a bit off topic, those guys were the real national socialist resistance. [1:01:21] George Lincoln Rockwell was vaudeville. He was some guy, he was a professional troll. [1:01:27] you know um it's telling that when uh when yaki was arrested in san francisco you know willis [1:01:35] carter was one of the last people to speak to him carter didn't know him personally then but he was [1:01:40] a journalist and i mean if you know carter sympathies he was obviously interested in yagi's [1:01:44] situation he asked yaki about rockwell yaki's like i don't know who that is okay so i mean who [1:01:50] who's the real national source resistance this uh this uh this vaudeville guy running around [1:01:57] handing out flyers saying buy dr adolf's gas cure and then laughing his ass off or some guy who [1:02:03] actually knew people who served the third reich you know and had uh had contacts with east berlin [1:02:09] and uh you know was being invited to the court of nassar in order to you know propagandize against [1:02:16] the nascent jewish state i i'd have to say the latter not the former and i know that makes people [1:02:20] mad because people for some reason like george lee and rockwell but um but there was a [1:02:27] but there was a constellation of guys in what we can call the old resistance who were [1:02:33] guys who totally lost faith in the system because they didn't come under indictment or the kinds of [1:02:38] persecution owing to their activities of america first or during the war there were guys like h.e [1:02:44] thompson who were basically agents of the third reich domestically and they were trying to bring [1:02:51] down the war effort as much as they could um you know and they were crossing paths obviously [1:02:58] with uh you know people who were basically new era white nationalists you know not even if they [1:03:07] didn't see eye to eye on things they they they had that sort of common you know i don't know uh [1:03:13] they had certain imperatives in common so it's complicated but that's its own thing um [1:03:20] the problem now for the regime is that they're trying to pay there there's more cross-pollination [1:03:27] or there was like i said that mega's done but there was cross-pollination [1:03:34] between some elements of uh what i think of as the new resistance you know guys who are true radicals [1:03:43] and mega but the regime and uh these legacy media types they think they can get away with painting [1:03:51] everybody with the same brush you can't you can't you can't claim that 50 million people [1:03:56] are just the bad people as is hegs that the retard would call them or you can't you can't [1:04:01] just like claim that like 50 million people are somehow the lunatic fringe so the parameters have [1:04:07] become kind of unclear and i'm convinced too um like i don't know nick fuentes um personally [1:04:13] I know a lot of the Gripers are across paths with them, [1:04:16] and they're good dudes, man. [1:04:17] They've always been very nice to me. [1:04:20] But Fuentes, whether people like him, the man or not, [1:04:24] or whether they like his condom or not, [1:04:26] he's not some crazy extremist guy. [1:04:29] He basically, 30 years ago, would be a normal conservative. [1:04:35] And especially in Chicago, a lot of Catholic ethnic guys, [1:04:39] they don't like Jews in Israel. [1:04:40] It's not some weird, crazy thing. [1:04:42] right you know so trying to trying to pretend that nick fuentes is some maniac or that he's [1:04:47] george lincoln rockwell i mean a that's really out of touch and b that's that's gonna that's [1:04:52] just gonna backfire yeah you know because if you're gonna so i mean that that that kind of [1:04:57] muddies the waters and i'm convinced uh i mean it's a lot of fun to do those ops like i said [1:05:01] don't don't even watch or read his content yeah they don't let's say like charlie kirk you know [1:05:06] Like I first, I mean, Charlie Kirk wasn't one of us, obviously, but dude was this kind of like moderate Sunday school teacher type guy. [1:05:18] And after he was murdered, all these all these all these lames and all these wackos like liberal wackos, they were talking about the guy like he was Mussolini or something. [1:05:30] It's like, have you ever like listened to what this dude said? [1:05:32] Like, you really think this guy is some crazy fascist? [1:05:35] that's like you're out of your fucking mind what's wrong with you but what i'm getting is in their [1:05:40] mind just nick fuentes uh um charlie kirk donald trump somebody like me or you we're all just like [1:05:48] racist bad guys they can't they're incapable of distinction you know and plus they don't realize [1:05:54] that you know they don't actually apprehend the parameters or but you know more importantly like [1:06:00] i said they don't they don't actually read anything or they don't actually count up with [1:06:04] these things in any meaningful capacity. Oh yeah. If I could be just a little self-indulgent, I, [1:06:10] I must, uh, cause I think this is the first show since the article came out. I did get a shout out [1:06:15] this week in, uh, in the Idaho Statesman, uh, one of our, one of our senators, uh, Camille Blalock [1:06:24] posted this meme, the Goyim No shut it down, uh, on her X account the other day. Um, and you know, [1:06:33] I commented on it. I don't think that's why this blew up. But of course, here we go. [1:06:39] I did say that she is now my favorite legislator here in Idaho, replied David Riley. [1:06:45] Idaho's most prominent anti-Semite, adding that Blalock had surpassed Senator Brian Manning. [1:06:52] Is there like some committee? Is like the Oscars? [1:06:55] I don't know, but I would like to thank everybody that helped make this special moment possible. [1:07:01] I'd like to thank the academy, the committee, whoever did this. [1:07:06] Actually, it was a guy that was taking pictures of the Bible on a toilet named Heath Druzen. [1:07:13] And he's one of these operatives that came out of the D.C. NGO scene. [1:07:18] He's, I think, involved with Chabad at some level. [1:07:21] He's worked for all of these different Jewish groups and whatnot. [1:07:25] He goes around the state making these speeches that are very ahistorical, especially with the points that you're making, because he goes around and conflates people like me or Nick Fuentes with Richard Butler and the Aryan Nations. [1:07:40] and they really are different things. And even to the extent that we, you know, actually understand [1:07:48] the historical paradigm of something like the Aryan Nations, there's still a lot of questions [1:07:54] that are kind of unanswered here. And I do want to get into this because this history, this fall, [1:08:03] what I believe is a false history, hangs over especially North Idaho like a dark cloud. [1:08:11] Anytime you get anybody that starts kind of stepping up, busting loose, you know, being creative, thinking outside the system, right? [1:08:22] All of a sudden, they come down with, we're returning to the days of the Aryan Nations, you know? [1:08:28] Dave Riley's trying to resurrect Richard Butler, blah, blah, blah. [1:08:31] No, and the Aryan Nations Church of Jesus Christ Christian, no, I knew some of those guys. [1:08:39] Yeah, and that's why I wanted to talk about this. [1:08:41] Well, I mean, it's like why, it's peculiar in some ways who the regime targets for violence. [1:08:48] You know, it's somewhat arbitrary. [1:08:50] Basically, yeah, it was the Hayden Lake, they call it a compound. [1:08:58] It was a church and a few acres for, you know, communitarian type stuff and, you know, and events relating to, you know, the Christian identity movement. [1:09:12] It was a very congregationless thing. [1:09:15] It's like, ooh, this is terrifying. [1:09:16] People going to church who have eccentric ideas, you know. [1:09:19] but they, but it was similar to how they, uh, you know, they, when they, they, they targeted [1:09:24] the Branch Davidians for annihilation, you know, and, uh, the, the Branch Davidians, [1:09:31] they were, they were far more remote in terms of their location than, than, uh, than Hayden Lake. [1:09:38] And, you know, the, they, they, they got a huge, uh, hard on for these people and, and, and decided [1:09:45] they had to die like why i mean i i mean i guess with that kind of with that kind of state [1:09:51] sanctioned terrorism and violence by underwaves of law enforcement i mean there's always an [1:09:56] arbitrary and appreciation aspect to it but i mean it's really it's really weird and they [1:10:01] they came they they're big obviously after the the order you know robert matthews um [1:10:07] and uh and his crew the claim was oh these guys are basically you know um [1:10:15] these guys are basically a paramilitary arm of the area nations i mean they really weren't [1:10:19] no denver parmenter i think hung around i think other than um what the hell was his name it wasn't [1:10:27] denver parmenter it was uh i think gary yarborough yeah he'd been in the penitentiary and the and [1:10:33] area nations did a lot of outreach um and penitentiaries you know uh which i think is a [1:10:39] positive thing i mean obviously excluding that they they'd exclude chomos and you know people [1:10:45] who uh had um you know uh bodies on them and stuff but you know they tried uh their big thing [1:10:53] was trying to help white cons turn their life around with respect to that you know those [1:10:58] imperatives and i believe yarborough he uh he subscribed to arian nations lit when he was um [1:11:06] when he was doing time in the penitentiary. [1:11:09] And, [1:11:09] um, [1:11:10] so he became very loyal to Butler and he spent a lot of time. [1:11:13] He was very much a CI believer, [1:11:15] spent a lot of time there. [1:11:16] I think he was the only one like Bob, [1:11:18] Bob Matthews, [1:11:19] uh, [1:11:20] wasn't particularly religious. [1:11:22] It's, [1:11:22] he wasn't, [1:11:23] you know, [1:11:23] and he, [1:11:24] he, [1:11:25] uh, [1:11:25] he threw, [1:11:26] he splashed money around all kinds of people. [1:11:28] Yeah. [1:11:28] You know, [1:11:28] he was primarily, [1:11:29] if he was the accolade of anybody, [1:11:30] he and William Pierce were personally tight. [1:11:32] Yep. [1:11:33] And, [1:11:33] um, [1:11:34] it's such that Matthews had any like formal affiliation it, uh, it was the national alliance. [1:11:41] Yes. You know, um, so this idea that, oh, you know, the Aryan nations, they were this, [1:11:46] this armed terror group. I mean, that's really misguided. Yeah. And the, I don't know how I'm [1:11:53] going to have to like either fundraise or something, but like there, the story is so deep [1:11:58] and bizarre. And the more that you dig, the crazier it gets. And, and I only got into this, [1:12:06] uh, area of study this, this particular period of history. Um, because I was getting these [1:12:12] accusations where it's like, you know, yeah, he's Richard Butler. He is the Aryan eight. And I'm [1:12:16] like, what the fuck are you even talking about? Like, what, what are we talking about? I had no [1:12:22] clue, you know? And so the, just at the outset, obviously like Richard Butler was a heretic. [1:12:27] He believed bizarre, heretical things about, you know, the two seed theory, things about salvation that, you know, Catholics obviously don't subscribe to. [1:12:36] He was, to a certain extent, anti-Catholic himself. [1:12:41] So, like, making that comparison with me anyway is obviously, like, really wrong. [1:12:46] But digging even deeper, there's things that have popped out at me when going through the historical record. [1:12:53] For example, one of Richard Butler's confreres or co-belligerents, or there's a word here that I'm missing, comrade, comrade, whatever, is this guy named Robert Miles, right? [1:13:09] Now, Robert Miles was the head of the Klan in Michigan. [1:13:15] Yeah, he was something of a weird Neoplatonist. [1:13:18] he they call it i mean in a rough but just to be clear they miles um he's lumped in with the [1:13:25] christian identity um element he was he was really on his own tip he was some kind of gnostic [1:13:32] neoplatonist and he he had uh which i think is very strange but uh you know it was that that [1:13:39] was that was his thing uh he was an unusual guy and um there's a documentary called blood in the [1:13:48] face yes um yeah and miles is sort of the he's sort of the centerpiece of that it was by michael [1:13:54] moore that slob propagandist who yeah he's kind of faded in recent years but uh you know he made [1:14:01] all these hysterical shrill uh propaganda pieces passed off his documentaries in the 90s um but [1:14:09] one of his first efforts was this blood in the face uh movie and and most of the time they're [1:14:15] you know they're seeking out just like goofballs you know like guys and you know got guys decked [1:14:20] out in camouflage like seeing goofy stuff and cring stuff just to try and make you know old [1:14:26] resistant sites look as absurd as possible but they talked to miles a fair amount and um miles [1:14:33] doesn't really flesh out his theology but yeah it was it was uh very uh eccentric and and [1:14:40] distinguishable from, from CI. Yeah, go ahead, buddy. Yeah. Again, I'm sorry. No, it's okay. [1:14:45] It's okay. This is a, and geez, we might have to have you back. We'll just do like a 10 hour [1:14:50] marathon going through this shit. I don't know. It's like when it comes to this stuff, you know, [1:14:54] I have ADD, so I'm like all over the place and, uh, I don't have, I need to work on how I, uh, [1:15:01] convey that to other people. But so I'm, I'm digging around, I'm digging around, I'm going [1:15:05] through all these different newspapers, reading the FBI vault files, and I stumble on this obituary [1:15:13] for Robert Miles. Let me read this to you and tell me if this makes any sense whatsoever. [1:15:19] From 1947 to 69, Miles was an insurance executive for the General Accident Fire and Life Assurance [1:15:26] of Perth, Scotland, representing the company in upstate New York and Michigan. At the same time, [1:15:33] Miles was working to train Eastern European guerrillas for work behind the Iron Curtain. [1:15:40] In 1953, his house mysteriously exploded in New York. [1:15:45] Miles moved to Michigan soon after. [1:15:49] An insurance salesman, right? [1:15:52] Yeah. [1:15:52] Well, he came up, he was an Army intelligence guy. [1:15:56] He was mostly, I think his formal OS was in the Signal Corps. [1:16:04] I'm not a veteran, so I don't know exactly how that breaks down. [1:16:07] And it was different during the Second World War. [1:16:10] But also with encryption and code breaking. [1:16:16] So he had a background in that. [1:16:18] And he had a bunch of odd affiliations suggesting that he was active in the intelligence community beyond the war. [1:16:34] And he went to prison for a time. [1:16:38] And the claim was that during the forced integration efforts in Detroit, they claimed that Miles had firebombed these school buses. [1:16:46] Yes. [1:16:47] And the case, you know, they were empty. [1:16:50] They weren't, you know, nobody got hurt. [1:16:54] And the case seemed very confabulated. [1:16:57] So that was weird. [1:16:59] I don't think Miles was a plant or a federal agent or something. [1:17:03] But I think he was, the Cold War was odd. [1:17:07] I think he was one of these guys who, unlike HGTops and unlike Yaki, [1:17:11] I think he very much was on side with the Cold War, [1:17:14] like a lot of dissident right guys were. [1:17:17] Yeah. And he was tolerated to a degree by the national security apparatus. [1:17:25] And he's not the only one. But yeah, he's an odd guy. [1:17:29] Yeah, I was going to say Louis Beam comes to mind as well. [1:17:33] Yeah, he was a door gunner in Nam. He was an interesting guy and a very, very tough and gutsy guy of all accounts. [1:17:42] he uh i think he was pretty much what he appeared to be and back people forget to [1:17:48] what really put him on the map was um a bunch of these uh vietnamese refugees [1:17:53] ended up in texas and uh flooded the fishing industry which was overcrowded then anyway [1:18:02] and that caused a lot of bad blood especially because a lot of these texas fishermen were like [1:18:06] non-veterans i mean that's just a recipe for disaster and uh beam uh mobilized a lot of those [1:18:14] people and obviously this was a cause kind of close and was again he he was either a door gunner [1:18:19] or a warrant officer like huey pilot but you know he was a heavy action in them so he obviously [1:18:25] took this very personal um and in in the late 70s early 80s uh you know the clan uh it wasn't [1:18:35] anything like the new era clan, but they, they, they, they, they had some power down South, man, [1:18:40] you know, and, uh, there's a lot of pissed off guys who had trigger time in Vietnam who [1:18:45] became Klansmen, you know, it wasn't, uh, like today they, they, uh, you know, they had, uh, [1:18:53] they had some clout, man. Yeah. It was that too. Yeah. I was going to say, and then here's another [1:18:58] goofy little thing to throw out. And so of course, again, this comes from the book, uh, [1:19:02] the committee of the States by Sherry Seymour. [1:19:05] But let me take it down a little journey on this one. [1:19:09] So here you see, [1:19:11] there's a picture of a, [1:19:13] what appears to be a Catholic priest up there at Hayden Lake. [1:19:19] The, [1:19:20] the title here says that that's a gentleman by the name of Harold Von [1:19:25] Brown hut. [1:19:26] Now I, [1:19:27] that guy's bizarre. [1:19:29] I've blown people's minds with this to see Harold Von, [1:19:31] Von, uh, here's his Wikipedia. This guy, this guy was Jewish, brought up Jewish, [1:19:40] but then he was also this like fanatic entrepreneur. And so like for any of you [1:19:47] who were boy Scouts, you know, I'm an Eagle scout. I even remember seeing this stuff in like [1:19:52] mad magazine, boys life magazine. I remember the x-ray glasses or sea monkeys, right? You would, [1:20:01] order these like... All those novelties, all that stuff that, yeah, in the 70s through the early [1:20:06] 90s, all that stuff, all that mail-order comic book junk, he was the guy behind all of it. And [1:20:12] he patented Sea Monkeys. Yep. Yes, yes, he did. And what's really crazy about it is that he was [1:20:18] also a member of the Aryan Nations and he would do things like, for example, like I think he [1:20:26] invented some sort of billy club or an extendable billy club. And if you wrote in on your order, [1:20:33] A-R in the bottom right-hand corner, the proceeds of that sale, he would just straight up donate [1:20:40] to the Aryan Nations. And what's crazy is that I believe he was also involved [1:20:46] with intelligence. So it's like, what in the money laundering heck is going on here? And like, [1:20:54] Why is there this constellation of like bizarre, like Robert Murkey is another one. [1:21:02] He was a professional counterfeiter for the CIA. [1:21:05] And it's like, time out. [1:21:07] Like, it seems like there was kind of a right wing CIA that was running their own kind of domestic gladio because they actually thought that the country might be like, [1:21:24] taken over by commies. And so they were kind of creating these radical networks, finding guys, [1:21:31] for example, that Robert Miles could take to, uh, to Ukraine and train up along with the [1:21:36] bandaristas. And yeah, there was a lot of, it's, yeah, I've got my own thoughts on that, but we'll, [1:21:43] we'll be here for another five hours. Um, but we can, um, yeah, we'll reconvene, um, [1:21:48] if you want to do a dedicated uh yeah maybe episode on that kind of stuff but um [1:21:55] yeah no it's very strange and yeah the von brown thing is especially weird because it's uh [1:22:00] you know and he um i think he actually sued uh one of the uh one of the major legacy media brands [1:22:11] in the 80s for exposing his sort of double life or whatever. [1:22:18] Yeah, the whole thing is very strange. [1:22:19] Yep, absolutely. [1:22:21] And so, you know, and then it's like, [1:22:25] there's another angle of this thing, [1:22:27] which of course got more legs this week, [1:22:30] where Heidi Byrich, [1:22:33] I don't know how to say this ugly woman's name, [1:22:36] but she was the director [1:22:37] of the Southern Poverty Law Center's intelligence report, [1:22:40] who was arrested this week and officially charged in a broader criminal case because, of course, [1:22:47] it turns out the Southern Poverty Law Center was actually funding the area nations. [1:22:55] Well, the thing is, a lot of people, a lot of normies don't understand. [1:22:59] The SPLC was always a con. [1:23:02] And these neocon fools, their whole kink now is, see, like, the right wing is fake. [1:23:09] It's just funded by these liberals. [1:23:11] They don't understand the implications here. [1:23:13] And Orris Dees, who is an incredibly sleazy guy, [1:23:18] Dees started out as this shyster, [1:23:23] kind of better-called-saw-type Southern lawyer. [1:23:26] He'd defend Klansmen. [1:23:28] You know, like a lot of his buddies were Klansmen [1:23:31] in the 50s and early 60s. [1:23:32] Yep. [1:23:33] And when that became, you know, [1:23:36] because because also i mean the clan in those days was insinuated into the local power structure [1:23:41] and you know when that when that hustle dried up he suddenly became mr anti-racist [1:23:47] and he had a background in direct marketing scams you know uh so he'd uh his big thing was uh he'd [1:23:55] get lists of wealthy donors you know uh and he'd send them these glossy newsletters with these like [1:24:02] made-up statistics like you know last year like 10 000 people were assaulted by violent skinheads [1:24:07] you know um and so he he accrued uh something like a like a half a billion dollar endowments [1:24:13] yeah you know uh at peak um it was always a money scam it was always this fake outlet [1:24:21] well it's like kevin mcdonald made the point years back in in the in the 2000s um [1:24:28] there was this goofball named jeff scope this little donkey guy like no visible means of income [1:24:35] like no there's no record this guy being employed by anybody somehow anytime there was a racial [1:24:41] incident you know uh jeff scope and these guys dressed up in these like horse to vessel uniforms [1:24:48] would just show up there and uh there'd be a media crew in tow filming on you know like yelling like [1:24:55] cool niggers it's like okay so this unemployed nobody guy with no visible means of income and [1:25:04] he spends his time flying coast to coast showing up dressed up like horse vessel and like yelling [1:25:10] out uh racial slurs with a camera crew behind him right like you tell me that's legitimate [1:25:15] no you know and then of course he reinvents himself as you know i'm mr anti-racist i've [1:25:20] left the hate movement and then they uh they interviewed uh his one time his ex-wife who was [1:25:27] this spanish lady and her take was like no she's like the guy was always you know she's like he was [1:25:32] he'd just like get money from i don't even know where she's like he wasn't you know like a nazi [1:25:37] or anything so like it was this was like his way of making money right you know um i mean that that's [1:25:42] this goes back decades and that was always the spLC's jive you know um i speculate that got they [1:25:51] got on the government shit list because uh you know that you can only like the kind of thing so [1:25:59] long before you get audited you know i mean and i i i guarantee you i mean morris deves i don't know [1:26:05] if he's still alive but his successor is this weasel guy mark potock i guarantee you him and [1:26:10] people are cooking the books and yeah well plus to a mail fraud you got to be direct solicitation [1:26:17] you've got to be very careful if if you're if you're miss if you're even even spinning facts [1:26:23] it would otherwise be puffing and normal kinds of advertising can get you in trouble for mail fraud [1:26:28] you got to be really careful with that so it was only a matter of time that's the deal with the [1:26:33] sdlc they've always been this like laughably crooked uh it's literally like this better [1:26:38] call Saul thing. Like I'm not, I'm not just being funny. That's what it was. Yeah. You know, [1:26:43] and D D was this like sleazy Southern guy who literally, he'd like perm his hair and try and [1:26:48] look Jewish and stuff. Like you can't make this up. It's unbelievable. But the thing is that, [1:26:54] you know, and I guess this is where like, you know, we need, uh, some revisionism. We need [1:27:02] some revisionist history when it comes to that whole era, that whole arm of, of the movement, [1:27:10] whatever you want to call it. Um, you know, the, the resistance, the 1.0s, whatever, whatever you [1:27:16] want to call them, uh, that we need to be kind of unafraid, I think, to, to get in there, to dig [1:27:23] around, to really examine all of these different pieces. Um, and, and I've got some tweets about [1:27:29] this, uh, uh, yeah, I'm writing, I'm writing a book right now called white riot. That's the [1:27:33] working title. And that's what it's about. Perfect. Because yeah, I mean like, you know, [1:27:38] here, like, especially here in Coeur d'Alene, you know, we've got, uh, a lot of people that [1:27:44] moved here, uh, over and it's not just the COVID refugees, but there've been waves of this from [1:27:50] the seventies, the eighties, you know, uh, I love the Northwest man. It's an awesome part of the [1:27:54] country. Yeah. You know, the Rodney King riots, you know, a bunch of people all of a sudden [1:27:59] realize, hey, wait a minute, I'm living in a pressure cooker. I got to get out. So they [1:28:04] understand at a certain level and they're on our side to a certain level. They just they haven't [1:28:10] they don't have the history they've been lied to. They don't even know that they've been lied to. [1:28:14] And so they come to a place like Idaho, identifying that, hey, you know, here's a peaceful place. [1:28:19] It's homogenous. Everybody's basically Christian and white. But then these people like Chris Hazel, [1:28:27] The daughter of the FBI agent in charge during Ruby Ridge, the same FBI agent involved with the order, she's been like stalking me for five years. [1:28:37] She held fundraisers at the Coeur d'Alene Resort giving an hour-long presentation about how Dave Riley is about to give a rebirth of the Aryan Nations or whatever. [1:28:49] And as soon as those words are uttered in this area, people, they go white, they freak, you know, they freeze. And all of a sudden, they're unable to critically think, they're unable to reason. [1:29:07] and the narrative, like a religious narrative, you know, just like Holocaustianity, it consumes [1:29:16] them. And then all of a sudden, they, like I said, they freeze and then they wind up complying. [1:29:24] They wind up complying with the cabal that has been in power here and they no longer resist. [1:29:31] And they just go along because we can't have the Aryan nations. And, you know, that was clearly [1:29:36] bad. Uh, so we can't do that. So whatever these people say, let's just do that and we can move [1:29:42] forward. And it's like, man, uh, so that, that whole thing is just going to be absolutely crushed [1:29:49] and God willing, one of these days between maybe between you and maybe Daryl Cooper, uh, I think [1:29:55] we can, uh, we can get a little bit more, uh, historical perspective, uh, on, on some of this [1:30:00] stuff, but yeah, Thomas, I want to be mindful of your time. You've been here an hour and a half. [1:30:04] um and i think it was up um um but yeah we can i'm not just being polite i'd love to reconvene [1:30:11] yeah um yeah just let me know when it's let me know what's a good time um i mean within reason [1:30:19] i make my own schedule you know but um if friday evenings are good for you i don't generally [1:30:24] schedule things then so yeah just let me know my friend and uh i hope uh i hope your subscribers [1:30:30] found this informative and I appreciate opportunity to, you know, come on your stream. [1:30:35] No, absolutely. I'm looking at the numbers here. We've got 82 live viewers on YouTube up from the [1:30:41] typical 12. So this is definitely hitting. People are, people are enjoying it. You're definitely a [1:30:47] hit and we're, we're definitely gonna have to bring you back. Now for everybody that is watching [1:30:51] that wants to keep up with Thomas's work and you know, he's got this, what's the title of your new [1:30:57] book coming out the system yes you know the world order since 1945 um and yeah i want to shout out [1:31:07] to excuse me um uh daryl cooper as well as pete cadones carl doll jay burden like those guys all [1:31:15] went above and beyond to make this boy happen they're they're incredibly cool peoples and [1:31:19] dear friends of mine and uh yeah daryl also for shouting me out on tucker i he absolutely didn't [1:31:25] have to, I had no idea he was going to do that. And, um, I, I'm like, that's nuts, you know, [1:31:30] in a good way, obviously I, I, I thank him a few weeks that he's a dear friend and just, [1:31:35] just a, an incredibly, uh, an incredibly neat guy, man. That's awesome. Yeah. And you know, [1:31:41] there have been, I think like three or four people that have come on this program have wound up [1:31:47] on the Tucker Carlson show. So I think someone out there likes me. And so listen, bring, bring Tom [1:31:54] on. Bring Tom on. Let him red pill America. And in the meantime, if you want to red pill yourself, [1:31:59] you can go on his sub stack, which is at real Thomas seven, seven, seven. He of course has the [1:32:06] three seven mafia. That's real Thomas seven, seven, seven dot sub stack.com. He has a YouTube [1:32:14] channel at seven H O M A S seven V. Uh, all of the links are in the show notes below. Uh, and of [1:32:24] course he has his website seven H O M A S seven, seven, seven.com. So thank you again for joining [1:32:34] us. I've got some sponsors and some ads I got to read, but, uh, we'll let you go and, uh, we'll see [1:32:39] you again. Cheers. That was great. What a great conversation. 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The problem is that when they see the implications of saying something [1:56:07] like that in light of the ineffectability of the church, then they can either go one of two ways, [1:56:12] and they might go like Turbo Novus Ordo [1:56:14] after they realize that. [1:56:16] That's what happens sometimes. [1:56:18] Hey, Dave, how you doing? [1:56:19] Turbo Novus Ordo. [1:56:21] Good to see you. [1:56:24] Screenshot. [1:56:25] We got to keep it clean, Optics. [1:56:27] Oh, obviously. [1:56:28] Hello. [1:56:28] Come on. [1:56:29] Come on. [1:56:29] What are you talking to? [1:56:32] I wrote the book on Optics. [1:56:36] Dave, this is Christian, by the way. [1:56:38] Christian, Dave. [1:56:39] Hello. [1:56:39] I follow you on X. [1:56:42] Yeah, I saw. I was like, who's this guy with like 40,000, 40, 50,000 followers, 60,000 followers following me? I can't remember the number, but it was a lot. Oh my gosh. [1:56:51] It's a couple. I've accumulated a few over the years. [1:56:55] He's in Ohio with me, Dave. [1:56:56] Oh, very nice. What part of Ohio? [1:56:58] This is the state. [1:57:00] Stupidville area. [1:57:01] Stupidville. Wow. Sorry to hear that. [1:57:04] It sucks. [1:57:05] You going to join the anti-Semitism group down there at Steubenville? [1:57:15] I didn't know there was an anti-Semitism group. [1:57:18] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [1:57:19] It's Franciscan. [1:57:20] Yeah. [1:57:21] The Coalition of Catholics Against Jewish Supremacy. [1:57:24] That's, hey, wait, I would be a part of that, though. [1:57:27] That sounds like something I would do. [1:57:30] We covered that integrity. [1:57:32] Very nice. [1:57:33] See, I think I covered your covering of it on my podcast, so. [1:57:37] Excellent. [1:57:38] Whee! [1:57:38] Let's see. [1:57:39] I missed 67 text messages. [1:57:43] What? [1:57:43] Sorry, I like literally just did like a two-hour marathon stream with Thomas777, so fresh off of that. [1:57:51] I'm going to listen to that later. [1:57:53] Great show. [1:57:55] Do you want to wait for a little bit, like a minute or two, Dave, or are you ready to jump in? [1:57:58] Let's rock it. [1:57:59] Where's Alex Poe? [1:58:00] I was looking forward to meeting him. [1:58:02] He's out today [1:58:03] You're subbing in for him [1:58:04] Some bitch [1:58:05] Alright [1:58:06] I'm not [1:58:08] Alright [1:58:09] We'll talk about how [1:58:10] Poor of a job [1:58:11] I'm gonna do [1:58:12] Trying to measure up [1:58:13] How old is he? [1:58:14] Like 22? [1:58:15] Kid's a brainiac [1:58:16] He's my age [1:58:17] He's 27 [1:58:18] Yeah [1:58:19] I'm 28 [1:58:20] Absolute brainiac [1:58:21] I want [1:58:21] Whatever it is in his [1:58:23] And we could [1:58:24] No, no, no [1:58:24] We'll just talk about it on the show [1:58:25] Yeah, yeah [1:58:26] Go ahead [1:58:26] We'll talk about it [1:58:27] Yeah [1:58:27] Alright, let's [1:58:28] Let's pray real quick [1:58:29] Before we start [1:58:30] In the name of the Father [1:58:31] and Son, and the Holy Ghost. Amen. Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy [1:58:35] kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, [1:58:39] and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into [1:58:44] temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen. St. Joseph's Prayer of Demons, pray for us. [1:58:51] In the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Amen. All right, gentlemen, ready to start? [1:58:56] Rock and roll. All right. Dave, I'm going to start with you and your Idaho story. [1:59:01] Is there an intro? [1:59:02] I give a brief intro and then we get into it. [1:59:06] Basically a rundown format show, if you remember that. [1:59:09] Oh yeah. [1:59:09] I'm just packing a pipe. [1:59:12] Go ahead. [1:59:13] Alright. [1:59:14] Alright, I'm going to go live here. [1:59:16] welcome everyone to another episode of church and state i'm your host american reform it's [1:59:38] actually our third consecutive show here it's friday august 14th the year of our lord [1:59:43] 2026. And I'm joined, as always, with Christian Bergsma, one of our hosts. And we've got a new [1:59:49] face here. Some of you guys may recognize him. He's a known traditional Catholic, provocateur, [1:59:56] many names. Dave Riley, welcome to the program. Hey, American Reform. Thank you for having me on. [2:00:03] Excellent for you to be here. And Christian, as always, Alex had a conflict this week. So we [2:00:08] brought on Dave, and we want to have guests over the course of the next couple of programs, so [2:00:14] be on the lookout for that. And I actually want to jump in right here to some of our chats and [2:00:21] take a look at who we have in the chat here. Cardinal Took, first one. This afternoon, [2:00:27] he was already chatting. He was the first one. He's here as always. We have Peter Nelson, [2:00:31] supporter of the program in Integrity Magazine. Peter, we really appreciate that. And then we also [2:00:37] have someone else calling for the Bergsmus. Christian, do you know this guy? No, I don't [2:00:45] know who it is. Pulled up his comment. He said, I should have my brother on the show. [2:00:50] Yeah, let me find that one. He was asking for one of the Bergsmus brothers. [2:00:55] Yeah, which is crazy because I only mentioned that I have a brother [2:00:59] who agrees with me on like the ecclesiology stuff on the locals for avoiding Babylon. So he must be [2:01:07] it must have been on that. We'll keep that in mind. We'll have to replace Dave, you know, [2:01:13] depending on how his appearance goes. I'll get the other Bergsma on. But speaking of Dave Riley, [2:01:19] you're in Idaho. Yes. Lots of traditional Catholics there. Why don't you tell us kind of [2:01:24] what's the landscape there and then what you've been dealing with recently because you have been [2:01:30] dubbed, quote, Idaho's most prominent anti-Semite. And for some people, that's a term of derision. [2:01:37] It's a slur, that kind of thing. But for Catholics, it can be a badge of honor in some cases. [2:01:42] So why don't you catch us up to speed on this story? I'm going to go ahead and pull this tweet up. [2:01:46] Yeah, I mean, I would first like to start by thanking the Academy for this illustrious award. [2:01:53] I don't know what I did to deserve this. But yeah, the Idaho statesman, and I can kind of pull it up on my end, too. [2:02:01] I don't know if that'll work, but we had a senator, Camille Blalock, that was involved in some sort of a back and forth Twitter thing about the flock cameras in the Upper West Side of New York. [2:02:20] And they noticed that there weren't any flock cameras in this particular neighborhood, which is like, you know, 30 to 40 percent Jewish. [2:02:27] and she posted this meme, [2:02:30] the Goyim No, shut it down as a joke. [2:02:33] She thought it was funny. [2:02:35] And well, the like three Jews [2:02:39] that live in the state of Idaho [2:02:41] that are also liberal, [2:02:42] they didn't like that. [2:02:44] And so they turned it into a giant problem. [2:02:47] They tried to kick up a lot of hate, [2:02:51] frankly, against Senator Bergsma. [2:02:54] What am I doing? [2:02:55] Senator Blaylock. [2:02:57] Um, and so, uh, it's been interesting, you know, uh, to see that, uh, kind of coming [2:03:02] down. [2:03:02] And of course the, uh, the people up here in Idaho are so sick of all of these different [2:03:07] at, you're a racist, you're an anti-Semite, you're a white, but this, that, yeah, it time's [2:03:13] up. [2:03:13] Okay. [2:03:14] We're done with all of that. [2:03:15] The people know what's going on. [2:03:17] It's a trick. [2:03:18] Uh, they're, you know, trying to kind of short circuit your brain. [2:03:21] Uh, you know, the whole point is that they want to get liberals in and they will use [2:03:26] any means necessary, including, you know, smearing them with this label of anti-Semitism. And of [2:03:33] course, the person that actually brought this article to my attention was one of my very close [2:03:39] Jewish friends who texted me in the morning, congratulations, I had no idea that I was friends [2:03:44] with a celebrity. So, you know, it just shows you how, you know, bankrupt that term is. Of course, [2:03:51] anti-Semitism isn't ever defined. Even if you look at the IHRA, the International Holocaust [2:03:58] Remembrance Association, they have a working definition, but of course, it's always evolving, [2:04:04] just like truth in the era of Vatican II, right? It's an ever-evolving constellation of stars that, [2:04:12] you know, every time you look at it, it changes a little bit, you know? So, you know, of course, [2:04:18] this anti-Semite term has been the number one weapon. It used to be a headshot. And as soon as [2:04:24] somebody was accused of being an anti-Semite, that was it. Their career's over. But we live in 2026. [2:04:32] And of course, we've had three years of watching a genocide unfold in real time. And that doesn't [2:04:40] work anymore. That just doesn't work anymore. You're going to have to actually engage with [2:04:46] people on real issues. Uh, you know, so anyway, yeah, just calling someone a racist and anti-Semite [2:04:53] doesn't do anything. But as far as the, uh, the landscape, the landscape here in Idaho, [2:04:58] uh, I think it is one of God's, uh, masterworks of creation, uh, between the lakes and the [2:05:06] mountains. Um, you know, it is, I think the most beautiful place, uh, in the country. Go ahead. [2:05:14] Talk about the true ecumenism that's happening there, because most of our viewers, young men, young Catholic men, traditional Catholics for the most part, CMRI, SSPV, SSPX, resistance guys, we have this true ecumenical movement here, you might say. [2:05:30] And you have that actually in, we've talked about this before, but in Idaho, we're in Ohio, Christian and I are in Ohio, but in Idaho, you have basically all the different camps, don't you? [2:05:41] Yes, we do. [2:05:42] So, you know, up on the mountain in Rathdrum, you've got the CMRI. [2:05:47] About a mile away from where I live, you've got the FSSP at St. Joan of Arc. [2:05:53] Then you've got Immaculate Conception, which is the SSPX. [2:05:57] Then in downtown Coeur d'Alene, you've got the regular diocesan parish, St. Thomas, [2:06:03] with Father Mariusz, a Polish priest who is quite good for a Novus Ordo, [2:06:09] very reverent, very orthodox. [2:06:12] But, you know, we also have our liberal Catholics, too, over at St. Pius—and this is where it gets confusing, right? Because St. Pius X Parish in Coeur d'Alene is extremely liberal, but then if you go to the Society of St. Pius X at Immaculate Conception, we were very illiberal. [2:06:30] So people get confused with that, but we do have something that has been burgeoning. It's been awakening. It's been, I don't know how to put it, but yeah, we're all kind of coming together. [2:06:48] We're all laying down the arms. We're sick of the Polish firing squad, you know, the circular firing squad. And, you know, we're actually getting together and hanging out. And, you know, if I've been able to play some part to facilitate that, you know, this is what I want. You know, I want Catholics of all stripes, all denominations of Catholic. I want working together. That's horrible. [2:07:14] But yeah, no, we've got something that has been really going on up here, and that is the Catholic Land Movement. [2:07:22] And this is a new group that has kind of come about over the last couple of years. [2:07:27] A guy by the name of Michael Thomas put this together, basically picking up the patrimony that was laid down by Belloc and Chesterton, you know, with this idea of distributism, right, this third position. [2:07:41] and also kind of marrying it to, you know, what was going on at the time with the return of the land movement. [2:07:51] So, you know, you've got this kind of consciousness that's rising. [2:07:54] People understand that the food that we're eating is poison, that these just-in-time delivery systems and the supply chain, [2:08:02] that can be disrupted at any minute. [2:08:03] And it's like, you know, you've got to know where you're going to get your next meal from. [2:08:07] And so this group, the Catholic Land Movement, has been coming together with people from all of the different parishes coming and being able to teach each other skills, practical skills for like raising chickens, raising cows, goats, how to plant a garden, how to do all of this kind of stuff. [2:08:26] And it's been really taking off, I think, because of the kind of shared mission, right? It's not an idle group of Catholics getting together with nothing to do. And then that eventually, you know, devolves into arguing about doctrine. No, we're here for a purpose. We're here to learn how to generate food for our parish, for our family. [2:08:48] Um, and so having that mission, um, I think has been really beneficial, uh, for being able to [2:08:56] bring all of these different groups together and avoid the infighting. And as a matter of fact, [2:09:02] when it comes to, uh, this idea of kind of like evangelizing tradition, um, you know, we will get [2:09:08] people that come from the Novus Ordo parishes that will have never interacted with a traditional [2:09:15] Catholic before, you know? And so when you get together and you're bound to learn how to like [2:09:20] butcher a chicken and it's like, ah, time out. Let's, let's say the Angelus, you know, and then, [2:09:26] and then, you know, you pray together, you butcher. Well, well, it depends, but you know, [2:09:32] yes, but it's good to bring them, yeah, to bring them into the fold and some of the, [2:09:36] but then it hits three o'clock and they do the divine mercy chaplet. [2:09:39] Oh no. [2:09:41] Oh, no. [2:09:43] Call it off. Call it off. [2:09:45] Krishna, I have to ask you, because we're talking about the Catholic land movement. [2:09:49] I know in Steubenville, you have St. Joseph the Worker. [2:09:52] Yes. [2:09:52] Are you reclaim the cities kind of guy, or are you more in the country? [2:09:57] What's your view on this? [2:09:59] Oh, I live in the country. [2:10:03] I mean, I don't. [2:10:07] Everything is Novus Ordo out here. [2:10:09] So not really part of the whole, you know, co-op of people out here doing country type living. [2:10:19] I'm very, I don't know what you want to say. [2:10:23] Not not antisocial. I'm very insular at this point by necessity. [2:10:28] But I mean, I love what they're doing, what people have done for the city to clean it up. [2:10:35] I have to say, like, look, growing up, like it was a lot grosser and there's a lot more dangerous. [2:10:41] The Studentville area. And it's quite a bit more beautiful. [2:10:44] You know, Novus Ordo and I don't care. St. Joseph, the worker bought the Masonic temple downtown and they're turning it into a church. [2:10:52] I mean, that has been a huge like eyesore, a huge like thorn in our side for forever. [2:10:59] And just to see that gone is is a huge blessing. [2:11:03] So the town is getting a lot, a lot nicer, a lot of good people investing a lot of their lives to do that and to make the downtown livable and beautiful. [2:11:14] So, you know, I definitely I definitely believe in those kinds of initiatives, especially when it comes to cleaning up towns and cities as well. [2:11:24] I'm not you know, I'm maybe not so tuned in to the whole country thing. [2:11:28] uh real quick david i wanted to ask you you said the three jews in idaho where where are the jews [2:11:36] at like sandpoint i guess like there's like ben stein is in sandpoint yeah i was gonna say there [2:11:41] might be like two up there you know maybe two or three down in sun valley no i'm kidding obviously [2:11:48] there's they're your friends you ought to know right right um no from what i can tell based on [2:11:55] the census, the census data, jewishvirtuallibrary.com. It's about 1,500 Jews that live in the state. [2:12:01] We have two synagogues, one in Boise and one in a town called Haley, Idaho, which is, of course, [2:12:08] by Sun Valley, which is where the billionaires come every year. There's a big Sun Valley group [2:12:15] that meets, and that's where they do all of these media deals. Like, you know, there was this recent [2:12:22] takeover of Paramount Plus by Larry Ellison. And that all was negotiated here in Idaho in Sun [2:12:31] Valley. So for that week of July, it does become like a little bit of a IDF outpost. You want to [2:12:38] steer clear. You know, the airport gets shut down. You get, you know, a bunch of, I'm not kidding, [2:12:45] IDF guys with guns around town, kind of guarding the spot. So yeah, predominantly that's where [2:12:54] they live. Sun Valley, there's a couple in Boise, maybe two in Sandpoint. [2:12:59] That's good. So real quick, if anyone's just joining right now, we're on church and state [2:13:03] here on the panel. And there's actually a really good comment. I want to highlight the point that [2:13:08] EC2 made. He said that, quote, if someone is ICKSP, that's Institute of Christ the King, [2:13:14] or the fraternity of St. Peter. It's better than nothing. Be cool and be patient with them. And I [2:13:20] really agree with that sentiment because, you know, everyone is not where we're at in regard to the [2:13:26] crisis in the church and seeing the revolution of Vatican II for what it is. And oftentimes it's a [2:13:32] matter of ignorance where people are not presented the materials. They're not familiar with the work [2:13:38] of someone like Bishop Sanborn, Archbishop Lefebvre, Bishop Peverunus, these types. And they [2:13:44] don't understand this revolutionary paradigm. And so, you know, they're just going along, [2:13:48] they want to be a good Catholic and it is good to not be overly alienating towards them. And [2:13:53] that hostility, I think that turns off a lot of people. So it's a really good, really good [2:13:57] comment there. EC2. I'm glad you mentioned that. And, uh, by the way, my wife, uh, just, [2:14:02] she's watching. So she just texted me. Um, we do, uh, I host a bonfire once a month, [2:14:08] a bonfire up here. Uh, and that kind of serves as like a way to, to network, uh, other people. [2:14:13] So if you are watching this, you can shoot me an email info at the backlash dot net or you can DM me on Twitter or Instagram. [2:14:22] We've got our monthly bonfire coming up on the 22nd and young or old, whatever, you know, bring your family. [2:14:30] It's it's always a good time. But you get to meet all kinds of other people in the area from all the different parishes. [2:14:36] We all try to get together and hang and it's fun. [2:14:40] yep totally and actually speaking of converts i like ryan grant he does a lot of really good [2:14:46] yes historical work i like him a lot and he is um but speaking of another convert gideon lazar [2:14:53] this is one of my old-time foes many people that are familiar with my account we've been [2:14:59] barring on and off again for probably a couple of years and you know although we have a very [2:15:04] strong disagreements. He's cropped up here again. And this is in response. This is something that [2:15:10] Christian pointed out actually on X, which is basically our digital public square. So there [2:15:17] was this Jewish scholar. Her name is Amy Jill Levin, and she was just elected to lead the Catholic [2:15:24] Biblical Association. So let me go ahead and pull this up and show everyone. The story just broke. [2:15:30] and Christian you were immediately exposing her because this is a Jew yeah so look listen um and [2:15:39] and uh I don't think Gideon knows anything about her or I don't think I I didn't know anything [2:15:47] about her until the other day so I'm not you know I I'm not uh I'm not coming at him uh personally [2:15:54] here um but uh you just google her you'll read you download a couple of her books you look through [2:16:03] i mean the first the first thing that hit me was just how vapid and uh substance list and stupid [2:16:12] most of what she's writing is like oh how does this relate to our everyday experience it's just [2:16:19] like in terms of so she meets francis three times and i think that played a large part in her being [2:16:26] selected for this position and you actually linked to this article in 2017 and gideon is [2:16:32] likely unaware of this but oh yeah no i'm not i'm not i'm not saying he supports us in any way this [2:16:38] is a this is a radical jew that they have nominated to this ostensibly catholic group and she's [2:16:44] writing, I want your comment on this. She's writing in 2017, I wrote an article for the [2:16:49] Australian broadcasting company entitled not good to be alone, rethinking the Bible and homosexuality. [2:16:57] So if you read that whole article that, that I linked there, it's basically, I'll go back to [2:17:03] the typical like sin of Sodom was, uh, was in hospitality type stuff mixed with like, Oh, [2:17:10] we can't actually know what St. Paul meant by this. And it's not clear, you know, what St. Paul [2:17:16] is saying, or if he's talking about prescribing same-sex relations. And she's saying, oh, well, [2:17:21] you know, St. Paul is appealing to what's unnatural. But, you know, what's considered [2:17:26] sexually unnatural back then is not the same as today. So how could it, you know, it's just, [2:17:31] it's all the stuff you would expect from her. And she is, and she's obviously, she's not a [2:17:38] professing Catholic, but she obviously has absolutely no respect even for Catholic values [2:17:44] and Catholic morality. And talking about how, well, St. Paul didn't say anything about lesbians, [2:17:51] so hey, you know, maybe we can work something out. So... [2:17:57] Yeah, this is the conciliar. So this is supposed to be the Catholic Biblical Association. [2:18:02] So look, it's an American group of scholars. They're responsible for the new NAB, the new edition of the NAB. And it just, I think it just goes to show, and like I said in my comment, I don't care who's running this, because from my perspective, it's, you know, they're not even Catholic. [2:18:22] It's more discrediting, if anything. [2:18:24] Yeah, yeah. But it just kind of shows how like, yeah, these these these associations in the Novus Ordo, they don't have the faith. [2:18:35] So they might as well have a Jew, you know, lead them. [2:18:38] Like, I'm not I don't think like, you know, LifeSite raising the alarm about this. [2:18:42] I mean, who cares? It's like they they're not Catholics anyway. [2:18:45] They don't have the faith. They don't.