Episode 165 — How Catholics Can Survive the Collapse & Rebuild Christendom w/ Brother André Marie

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[0:02:37] So check out the links in the show notes below to all of our sponsors. [0:02:41] And with that, we're going to introduce our guest. [0:02:44] Originally from New Orleans, Louisiana, Brother Andre Marie is the superior of the Slaves [0:02:49] of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in Richmond, New Hampshire, where he has been a professed [0:02:54] member since 1996. [0:02:55] He is a Master of Arts in Theology, summa cum laude, from Holy Apostles College and [0:03:01] Seminary in Cromwell, Connecticut. [0:03:03] Brother Andre has edited three of his congregation's books, published over 1,000 articles, and [0:03:08] presented numerous lectures in theology, apologetics, and devotional topics. He's been [0:03:13] published in From the Housetops, Christian Order, Apropos Magazine, The Remnant, Rorarte Celi, [0:03:19] Latin Mass Magazine, and Catholic Online. He is the publisher and editor-in-chief of [0:03:23] Catholicism.org. Wow, what a domain name. Since 2015, he has hosted Reconquest, a weekly internet [0:03:30] radio show with over 500 episodes airing on the Crusade channel. Brother Andre Marie, [0:03:35] Thank you so much for joining me today. [0:03:38] You're welcome. I'm delighted to be here. [0:03:41] Awesome. [0:03:41] Thanks for having me, David. [0:03:42] Well, we talked a little bit, a little over a month ago, [0:03:46] there was this whole kerfluffle, to quote Candace Owens, [0:03:50] in the church with the Society of St. Pius X [0:03:54] consecrating four bishops without Rome's approval. [0:03:58] Of course, Rome kind of brought the hammer down on them [0:04:02] and attempted to excommunicate them and all of the faithful. [0:04:05] Of course, these modernists in Rome, they don't know what they're doing. [0:04:10] And so the note from Cardinal Tuco Fernandez supposedly excommunicating the faithful has no binding effect. [0:04:18] So that didn't actually happen. [0:04:20] And from what I understand, the society has appealed the excommunications, [0:04:24] effectively lifting all the prohibitions that would be on these bishops for the time being, [0:04:30] as the Roman Rhoda kind of deliberates their case. [0:04:33] Now, with that said, you are no stranger to being persecuted by the Roman authorities. Your congregation, I think, has been kind of at the short end of the stick. [0:04:47] Can you explain a little bit about your struggles with the hierarchy, with approval, with approbation, with your congregation? [0:04:57] well uh there are a lot of points of contrast between us and the society in pious the 10th [0:05:06] right so i'm a brother i we don't uh have our own bishops that's for sure we don't have [0:05:12] our own priests we don't seek uh priest ordination um illicitly um and i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not [0:05:21] getting on a kind of a soapbox against people who have done that my point is that's not what we've [0:05:27] done and that's not our attack right um we have have we had some nominal approvals from our own [0:05:35] diocese manchester new hampshire years ago and we were allowed to have a priest in good standing to [0:05:41] say mass and hear confessions here all in the traditional right because that's what we have [0:05:45] that's our that's our you might say our proper right of our institute we don't um we don't [0:05:50] have the Novus Ordo in our worship space, as we're told we must call it. [0:05:58] And our whole raison d'être is really about extra ecclesiae nulla salus, you know, no salvation [0:06:06] inside the church, the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation. And that's our sort of [0:06:11] all-consuming issue, although obviously every Catholic issue is important to us. But we've [0:06:20] We've run afoul not so much of the Roman authorities as of local authorities in Manchester, New Hampshire, principally the judicial vicar, a priest by the name of Father George Dillair. [0:06:31] And there's some things on our website about our interactions with them. [0:06:38] But I had a correspondence with the Roman authority back in 2016, so 10 years ago, in which one thing that I wrote was misunderstood by a monsignor whose first language was not English. [0:06:53] And I showed the correspondence to other people, including a priest who worked in Rome. [0:06:57] And he said, he clearly misunderstood you. [0:07:00] And based on that misunderstanding, our diocese in the person of Father Dallaire came down on us canonically about 10 years ago. [0:07:09] So it doesn't surprise me in the least bit when you have Catholics. [0:07:15] I mean, we live in a day, you know, so many officials are compromised by modernism and many other isms as well. [0:07:23] There's a whole ocean of isms out there. [0:07:25] But modernism is, I suppose, the dominant one. [0:07:29] And I mean, I'll say it just quite matter-of-factly, the priest who did this to us is a modernist. [0:07:34] I mean, and I don't say that lightly. [0:07:36] I don't call every priest who says the Novus Ordo a modernist. [0:07:39] I don't believe that, number one, and I don't believe it's a necessary litmus test. [0:07:45] Although we have our serious objections to the Novus Ordo, still, it doesn't make a man a modernist. [0:07:52] What makes a man a modernist is professing any of the condemned points of modernism [0:07:56] And during conversations that I had with him, he did just that. [0:07:59] So that's why I feel totally fine in my conscience to say that. [0:08:05] But the idea was they think that evolution evolves, and we don't, because Pius X condemned that. [0:08:13] True. Yeah, this concept of truth as an ever-changing constellation of stars. [0:08:19] I think that was Theodore Adorno that said that. [0:08:23] But he was with the Frankfurt School. [0:08:25] But when you compare what modernists believe with what the Frankfurt School also believes, there's a lot of overlap there, actually. [0:08:34] A substantial amount. [0:08:36] I mean, I would say that the modernists in the church and their willing allies, neo-modernists, whatever you want to call them, indifferences, liberals, Americanists. [0:08:48] I mean, again, there's a whole ocean of isms out there. [0:08:51] they very much are if not explicitly on board with the cultural marxist program they are [0:09:01] easily used by the cultural marxists why because cultural marxism engages in you know the so-called [0:09:09] critical theory right and all critical theory is there's nothing advanced about it or sophisticated [0:09:16] about it. All critical theory is, is keeping criticism upon the entire canon of Western [0:09:22] culture, whether it's literature or music or religion or political theory, just heaping [0:09:31] criticism on it and saying, no, you're wrong to every landmark that we have of our Western [0:09:38] European and Christian tradition, right? That's what cultural Marxism is all about. [0:09:47] And there's obviously then common cause between them and the modernists. So it wouldn't surprise [0:09:51] you, Dave, to learn that the priest who did this to us, who had this canonical decree out against [0:09:57] us that's still in effect, that we're appealing at the highest levels in Rome, that the priest [0:10:03] who did that cited in something he said publicly about us, the Southern Poverty Law Center, [0:10:10] saying we're a hate group. Well, the Southern Poverty Law Center is, that is the cultural [0:10:15] Marxist, you know, profiteering arm, right? Yeah. Wow. Well, that kind of gets us in [0:10:22] to one of the first stories that I wanted to cover. Of course, this comes from your website, [0:10:27] Catholicism.org. It was published. When was this? It says this is published in the future. [0:10:35] It says this is being published in two days. I don't know. April 20th. No, no, no. Oh, I'm sorry. [0:10:41] April, not August. Hello. Brain fart. I need some more of some more caffeine. But you've got this [0:10:47] article up here from John Doyle. Not not that John Doyle, a different John Doyle, by the way. [0:10:52] It's Joe Doyle. [0:10:54] Joe Doyle, yes. [0:10:56] CJ Doyle. [0:10:57] I've got dyslexia. [0:10:59] I've got ADD. [0:11:00] I've got all these different problems. [0:11:02] I saw that and I thought, John Doyle is writing for Catholicism.org? [0:11:06] No, Joe Doyle is the president of the Catholic Action League of Massachusetts. [0:11:11] But he wrote this whole article about the recent indictment. [0:11:16] Of course, we did a big show about this a couple of months ago. [0:11:19] But if you could explain how the SPLC, because they have been, they've been targeting traditional Catholics. [0:11:28] Remember, there was this report that got leaked from the FBI where they put the SSPX and a couple of other different institutions. [0:11:36] They started investigating them illegally based on a faulty intelligence report from the Southern Poverty Law Center. [0:11:44] Bring us through this. [0:11:45] Bring us through how the SPLC has been targeting and persecuting traditional Catholics. [0:11:51] OK, so that that DOJ thing that you were just talking about, the DOJ recently exposed in [0:11:58] the Trump administration, you know, Kash Patel's FBI and the DOJ under whoever the leader of [0:12:05] the DOJ is currently. [0:12:06] Sorry, excuse me. [0:12:07] And they came out and publicly criticized in this lengthy report their predecessors in the Biden DOJ and the Biden FBI. [0:12:20] And that they had come out with, and thanks to a, I wouldn't call him a leaker, I suppose he's a whistleblower, by the name of Kyle Serafim, a lot of this stuff came out. [0:12:33] Kyle Severman was a whistleblower in the FBI from years ago, but he still has friends in the FBI who leak stuff to him. [0:12:41] So he leaked this memo that had been circulated from some field office in Virginia. [0:12:50] But it was about how they had a need for establishing contacts with, in other words, spies in different sources, I think they would call them, in different Catholic groups that were traditional Latin mass communities. [0:13:07] And by the way, we were explicitly named, just so you know. [0:13:11] And why were we explicitly named? If you ever came here, you can see four buildings in a rural area in southern New Hampshire when the Mananoc region is a beautiful region. [0:13:22] This is not coastal elite country. We got rednecks around us. Cheshire County is the most gun-owning county in the world outside of Switzerland. [0:13:33] You'd think it was a little patch of Texas in New Hampshire, in New England. [0:13:38] But so this little place here, our tiny little monastery in this tiny little town with like 1,200 people in it, was targeted as one of the dirty dozen by the Southern Pirate Law Center back in, I want to say it was 2005. [0:13:57] No, 2006, 2007, somewhere around there. [0:14:00] And you know what did it? [0:14:02] What was the catalyst? [0:14:03] Was Mel Gibson's film, Passion, right? [0:14:06] when Mel Gibson had that unfortunate run-in with, I suppose, one of the few Jewish police officers in California. [0:14:18] And when Drunk supposedly made a series of anti-Semitic remarks attacking the guy's Jewishness, [0:14:26] which I don't know if he did or not, but that was the claim. [0:14:28] And he ended up, you know, becoming kind of a cash cow for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which majors in convincing liberal rich people that Hitler's sort of spiritual descendants are about to march down Main Street, USA and take over the place. [0:14:53] right that's their that's their model that's their business model is create multiple boogeyman [0:14:59] feature and profile those boogeyman with really shoddy journalism that's very tendentious and in [0:15:06] our case it was filled with all kinds of fake uh information and profile them and then fundraise [0:15:13] based upon the fact that you know help us to to end hate right well all they're doing is ginning [0:15:19] up hate. And as we know, they were funding some of these organizations because apparently there's [0:15:26] an unprofitable dearth in hate lately. So they have to funnel money into some white supremacist [0:15:34] groups so that they can profile them as hate groups. This has been happening for years, [0:15:40] this kind of thing where the KKK or whatever gets money from these progressivist entities in order [0:15:47] to keep going so that they can be shown as, you know, these hate groups that are endangering [0:15:53] the liberal democratic social order. [0:15:56] And then, you know, they get money as a result, the liberals. [0:15:59] So we were caught up sort of in that net. [0:16:04] And they profiled a group they called the Dirty Dozen. [0:16:06] And we were one of 12 groups of traditional Catholics. [0:16:11] Now, if you're going to quote Father Leonard Feeney, who's our founder, if you're going [0:16:14] to quote Father Dennis Fahey about things that are questions pertaining to divine revelation, [0:16:22] pertaining to Christian social order, pertaining to, you know, the need to evangelize, [0:16:27] pertaining to the doctrine of Christ the King, about Christ having, about we Christians, [0:16:34] Catholics, I mean, when I say Christian, I mean Catholics, we Christians having the obligation [0:16:40] to have Jesus Christ reign in society, [0:16:44] when you say these things, [0:16:47] it makes the liberal progressivists, [0:16:50] which is, I mean, actually all liberals, really, [0:16:52] including liberals who call themselves conservatives [0:16:54] in the American social sphere. [0:16:56] It makes them very uncomfortable [0:16:58] because they're very happy [0:16:59] with keeping your politics totally secular. [0:17:02] And then, you know, if you do the religion thing, [0:17:05] it's a church on Sunday. [0:17:07] Well, that's not the Catholic tradition. [0:17:09] for social polity. [0:17:12] You know, Jesus Christ is truly king, [0:17:14] and he's king of hearts, of families, [0:17:18] of cities, states, villages, bungalows, [0:17:21] whatever you want to call it, and nations. [0:17:23] And if he doesn't reign in a nation, [0:17:25] to the extent that he does not reign in the nation, [0:17:28] that nation is given over to satanic powers. [0:17:33] When you say that stuff, Dave, [0:17:35] I don't need to tell you this, I'm sure, [0:17:37] when you say that kind of thing, [0:17:38] you're going to be a target. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Big time. And, you know, the first time I actually [0:17:43] ever heard about the Southern Poverty Law Center wasn't, you know, because people that know me, [0:17:48] I've been around for a while. You know, I've been an activist for a while. I was in Charlottesville [0:17:52] and all this stuff. But the first time that I actually heard about the Southern Poverty Law [0:17:57] Center was from my my good friend, the late, great John Vanieri. God rest his soul. He got he was a [0:18:04] part of this dirty dozen that got attacked, along with E. Michael Jones, TFP, the SSPX, [0:18:11] the Angelus Magazine. I mean, it's a whole list of like some of the most benign traditional [0:18:16] Catholic organizations. The remnant, the Fatima Center. [0:18:21] Yeah. And I think I worked. You know, there was a while there where I was wondering [0:18:25] with this recent FBI memo, which we have here on the screen, this was this was the Richmond [0:18:31] memo, which was leaked. It came out in the 23rd of January, 2023. Um, but I was like reading this [0:18:39] and I'm like, am I one of these names that's like blotted out here? Because I wound, I think I've [0:18:44] worked for half of the dirty dozen at one point or another, whether it's Fidelity magazine, [0:18:51] culture wars magazine. I wrote for Catholic family news. Uh, I've done work with the Fatima center. [0:18:56] So it's like, wait a minute. [0:18:58] Is this about me? [0:18:59] What's going on here? [0:19:01] But no, it was actually about a priest that they wanted him to like give up information about a parishioner that had like gone to confession with this priest. [0:19:09] The priest was this guy's spiritual advisor. [0:19:12] And for whatever reason, the federal government wanted to make him talk about whatever it was that this parishioner was going through. [0:19:20] And when they couldn't get the approval to spy on them here domestically, they transferred that to the – what was it? [0:19:30] It was like the London Metropolitan Police Terrorism Department, and they had them spy on the priest and then packaged the intelligence up and it made its way back to the states in that way. [0:19:43] So, of course, there have been hearings on this. [0:19:46] There was the Judicial Committee had a hearing on this last year. [0:19:50] I covered this on the show, and just absolutely egregious. But it is very clear that there is [0:19:56] something about traditional Catholicism that threatens these people. It threatens [0:20:01] the cultural Marxists, the Southern Poverty Law Center, you know, these different groups of, [0:20:09] I don't even know how to put it, but these different leftist groups, [0:20:13] it's clearly threatening to them. And I think it is the doctrine of Christ the King, [0:20:20] but it's also the liturgy as well, because there are certain truths in the liturgy which have [0:20:26] been attempted to change over the years, specifically like Good Friday. They've wanted [0:20:32] to abolish the Good Friday liturgy, prayers for other religious groups, right? Because that's [0:20:39] intolerant. You have to be tolerant of all of these other religions, according to the normal [0:20:45] liberal ideology. So, man, it's just incredible. I can't I forgot that you guys got targeted. We [0:20:53] actually have the this is the article that came out in 2007. There's your pictures. Yeah, [0:20:58] much skinnier me. Yeah, we were definitely framed by them in that first wave of anti [0:21:06] traditional Catholic stuff. Yeah. Can you believe they say that your thing is rooted in hatred? [0:21:14] Can you this is this is so ridiculous. It's absurd. At the time, shortly after this, [0:21:22] we were profiled by a local our local newspaper, because, of course, all these lefty liberal [0:21:29] journalists, which is to say all journalists are going to get some source material from the SPLC [0:21:35] because the SPLC doesn't, they send things to the FBI. [0:21:39] They send things to federal, state, and local law enforcement. [0:21:43] This is just part of what they do with the so-called intelligence report, [0:21:47] by the way, like worst name ever. [0:21:50] But what they also do is that they are a resource for lazy journalists, right? [0:21:58] Lazy journalists who just want talking points thrown at them, [0:22:02] bullet points that they can just sort of repurpose. [0:22:05] You've probably seen or heard those video montages of a talking point that came out [0:22:13] from some government outfit or some corporate entity where everybody in the corporate media [0:22:20] is repeating the same line, just with a slightly different emphasis. [0:22:25] There was a big thing during COVID with Amazon.com. [0:22:28] Amazon.com sent out this memo and it went to all these media outlets and there were like hundreds of them reading the same. [0:22:36] They weren't even restating it. They were reading the same memo on air. [0:22:40] It was kind of a disgrace. That's where journalism is in the United States and probably in most of Europe as well. [0:22:47] So there's sort of the corporate media does this thing. [0:22:50] Well, the corporate media at various levels is that lazy. [0:22:54] And the SPLC is very happy to provide them with talking points. And, you know, oh, they have a hate map, right? Well, the SPLC bothers to have a hate map. And then because of that, they're experts in hate, right? They've gotten this niche market of, you know, knowing what constitutes hate. [0:23:18] so the journalists quote them like they're authorities and i looked at the hate map and [0:23:24] i saw this thing that there was this kkk thing in the next town from winchester i'm like i never [0:23:29] seen or heard anything about the kkk here turns out it was like a p.o box and like two guys [0:23:34] who in there weren't they weren't very active i'm not a friend of the kkk never [0:23:38] by the way is no friend of catholics either for for those of you with a historical perspective [0:23:45] that goes beyond your years, you would remember maybe reading about how the KKK burned down [0:23:52] Father Charles Coughlin's church up in Royal Oak, Michigan. They did not like Catholics, [0:23:58] especially, what was it? I think it was the second wave clan that especially hated Catholics. [0:24:04] They weren't, they didn't really. I told David Duke on air that I had a problem with it, [0:24:09] with a birth control policy that he had when he was running for governor of Louisiana. So [0:24:13] So I, because keep on, I'm from Louisiana and I was on the air on some, some radio show. [0:24:19] I called in and told him I had a problem as a Catholic with this policy he was proposing. [0:24:24] Wait a minute. [0:24:24] You're, you, you spoke to David Duke. [0:24:27] That means that you are in the Klan. [0:24:31] It's, it's this whole thing. [0:24:33] I've had, I've talked about this before. [0:24:35] There's that parable of the woman with the problem of the blood, right? [0:24:39] Like she, I guess she had her period for 10 years. [0:24:42] She never stopped. [0:24:43] Of course, in Jewish tradition, any contact with blood outside of ritual sacrifice made you unclean. [0:24:49] And you'd have to go to a mikvah, you'd have to be, you know, whatever their version of baptism is to clean you from that. [0:24:55] But if somebody that had touched blood and was ritualistically impure touched another person, well, that other person is now also ritualistically impure. [0:25:05] And if he touches somebody else, and on and on and on it goes, this endless string. [0:25:10] And it's like, that's exactly the same spirit behind cancel culture. It's the same methodology, where if you talk to somebody that is unpersoned, then you're unpersoned. And if somebody talks to you, then they're unpersoned. And on and on and on it goes, this endless string of guilt. [0:25:29] yeah well i mean that would lend a problem to a lot of people because i've been i i personally [0:25:35] who apparently am unclean have walked into numerous kosher butchers in in and around [0:25:41] brooklyn and uh and and and long island and various places in in and around new york state [0:25:46] where there are large jewish populations because we do street evangelization so um we don't we you [0:25:52] know we talk to anybody and that you know on on the one hand you know this is something and i [0:25:58] realize this is this discussion sort of free form, Dave. So if I'm going in a direction, [0:26:01] you don't want me to go just, just say something, but this is a free speech zone, brother. [0:26:06] Yeah. We're not, we're the church isn't clannish, you know? I mean, some people say [0:26:12] Michael Matt's got this thing about uniting the clans. I'm all for it in principle. Um, [0:26:17] but the church isn't a clan. The church isn't a tribe. In fact, if you, you know, in the new [0:26:24] Testament, it talks about bringing all tribes and nations, right, into the church. Jesus Christ, [0:26:30] in his precious blood, redeemed every tribe and nation and tongue and people. And it's the job [0:26:35] of the church to evangelize them all so that they can all have the merits of Christ's passion [0:26:40] applied to them so that they can be saved, right? That's our job as Catholics, to evangelize, [0:26:45] to bring people into Christ's mystical body. Well, once you have Jesus Christ's mystical body [0:26:51] functioning in a society. Its job is to evangelize that society at every level. [0:26:59] So we're not tribal. We're not some, you know, people in the sense of some ethnic group. [0:27:08] We're not against ethnic groups. I mean, obviously, we all have some ethnicity independent of our [0:27:13] Catholicity. But the thing is, we are to bring people into the one true church where we're going [0:27:20] to function in charity within that mystical body. So the church looks for converts, and she's [0:27:29] profited from her converts, from Judaism, from Islam, from, I've talked to Muslims on the streets, [0:27:35] you know, Jordanians, Lebanese, and Saudis, and you name it, almost any Muslim, Malaysians, [0:27:43] I mean, all kinds of people. And the amazing thing is you can talk to people about this. And, you know, it's not the man on the street who thinks you're dirty. It's the person who's got an ideological agenda to profit off of the cultural Marxist thing, like what the SPLC does or what the ADL does or any of these kind of entities. [0:28:11] You know, we should be able to confidently walk into the blackest of black neighborhoods, the most Hispanic of Hispanic neighborhoods, Jewish neighborhoods, whatever, and be able to evangelize and not do so apologetically. [0:28:28] Yeah, we can practice apologetics, but in a different sense. [0:28:30] We don't say I'm sorry for doing it. [0:28:33] Yes. No, absolutely. [0:28:34] Now, that kind of does bring in another question, of course, that has been raging on the Internet. [0:28:39] There's been scuffles and back and forth. [0:28:42] We've entertained some of it on this show before. [0:28:44] But it is the accusation that all Christianity tends towards the destruction of Western civilization, actually, that it tends towards the destruction of nations, that Catholicism somehow is responsible for mixing everybody up and abolishing nationality. [0:29:05] And I don't think that could be further from the truth. [0:29:08] You know, when you look at the history of Europe, even America, it was the Catholic faith that inspired the Reconquista of Spain that drove out the Muslims. [0:29:20] It was the Catholic faith that inspired the French and the Germans, you know, to push back the Muslims when they were trying to invade. [0:29:29] So this idea that Catholicism is somehow incompatible with nationalism, that talking point is getting repeated over and over again. [0:29:40] And just because it's getting repeated, I don't think it makes it any more true. [0:29:45] It's just not true. [0:29:46] So in your studies, in your studies of the Catholic faith, doctrine, what is the proper orientation towards nationalism, and is it compatible or incompatible with Catholicism? [0:30:03] That's a huge question. [0:30:07] Two-sentence answer, please. [0:30:10] I'm kidding. [0:30:10] Okay, so why don't I just make something, why don't I make it sort of concrete in this fashion? [0:30:20] To me, the most, and this is my opinion, the most thoroughly Catholic political movement in the world, and I don't say this to offend those who aren't in this organization, because there may be others that have similar ideology, similar philosophy that's very Catholic. [0:30:38] But to me, the model of Christian social perfection is a movement in Spain called the Carlistas, the Spanish Carlists. [0:30:50] Now, in the early in the Reconquista of Spain, not the ancient Reconquista, but the Cruzada that General Franco launched to get Spain back from the communists and the anarchists. [0:31:07] early on he was completely dependent upon the so-called requetes of the um of the carlistas [0:31:16] this was the the militia that the carlos had because the carlos had already fought wars uh [0:31:21] it's legitimate it's a it's a it's a legitimist movement that questioned the the ascendancy of [0:31:26] certain kings and in in the time of the so-called enlightened monarchs in europe uh complicated [0:31:32] background, but by Franco's day, they were well-established in certain parts of Spain, [0:31:38] like Navarre, where most of the ascendancy of the Carlos were. But they have a four-pillar [0:31:45] platform for their social plan, and it's in Spanish. It's Dios, Patria, Fueros y Rey, [0:31:53] and that's the order. God, Dios, Patria, the Fatherland. Fueros is hard to translate, [0:32:00] but it's something like local rule. [0:32:04] The closest thing we have to in American political parlance is states' rights. [0:32:09] It's the principle of subsidiarity, [0:32:11] but it includes all kinds of things that go back to medieval Catholic social [0:32:15] order that have no American equivalents, [0:32:18] like even the rights of the guilds and things like that, right? [0:32:22] Charters is one way that they translate the word freros. [0:32:25] And then re, king, the king is the last. [0:32:27] Now it's a monarchist entity, [0:32:29] But to show you how enshrined in their program the principle of subsidiarity is, basically, in case anybody doesn't know, it's what can be done at the local level is to be done there and not at some higher level of government. [0:32:45] That's subsidiarity. [0:32:46] So what can be done in the family is done there. [0:32:48] What can be done at the level of the town, the county, the city is done there. [0:32:54] What can be done at the level of the state or province is done there. [0:32:59] And then only after all that stuff is taken care of by those entities, then the federal or national, whatever you call it, government can have a say-so. [0:33:12] And it's a much lighter, more efficient thing. [0:33:15] And it respects local cultures. [0:33:19] Now, in Spain, anybody who's familiar with Spain at all will know that there are different languages. [0:33:26] I did the pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela a couple years ago. [0:33:30] Well, there's a whole different language up there in that part of northwestern Spain, right above Portugal. [0:33:37] It's Gallego. [0:33:38] And I saw signs in Spanish and Gallego because it's in Galicia. [0:33:44] Well, you go to the extreme eastern part of the north of Spain and you've got Catalonia with a different language, a different culture, different Marian shrines. [0:33:54] Okay, here's my point. [0:33:56] The Carles vision of Spain is all those local cultures are to be respected and the patriotism that's associated with them. [0:34:05] Within the larger patria, there are local sort of patriotism so that the Catalunians have their culture. [0:34:13] They have their language. [0:34:14] They have their feast, their saints that they're devoted to, their local economy. [0:34:21] It's in that part, so it's very prosperous. [0:34:23] but then in southern Spain completely different culture right totally different culture and [0:34:31] even to the point of you know ethnicity and genes you know so the Basques are in Spain as well some [0:34:39] of them are in France some are in Spain right and they have a completely again a completely [0:34:45] different culture yeah and they have their own patriotism I think so the way that I look at it [0:34:52] and this is very much a choice of words. [0:34:56] I don't like nationalism. [0:34:57] To me, nationalism is a bad thing, [0:34:59] but patriotism is a good thing [0:35:00] because patriotism is love of the fatherland [0:35:02] and the people in it. [0:35:05] Nationalism, to me, tends to be like [0:35:07] the sort of worship of the state. [0:35:10] But I know that most people don't define it that way. [0:35:13] But you look at somebody like Joan of Arc. [0:35:16] She was a patriot, a French patriot. [0:35:18] She did everything she did for God and for France. [0:35:22] which meant the French people as well as the French crown. [0:35:25] But you look at a Cardinal Richelieu, a Frenchman, [0:35:29] who did everything for France, [0:35:33] even to the point of allying himself with Muslims in battle against Catholics, [0:35:40] because what was good for the Habsburgs was bad for France, [0:35:43] and vice versa, in his view. [0:35:45] So he had this exalted nationalism that whatever was good for France [0:35:50] must be good for the church, even if really it's not. And we fight the Spanish Habsburgs with [0:35:54] Muslims or with Lutheran Protestants from Sweden, Gustavus Adolfus, you know, this is a sort of, [0:36:02] this is a false nationalism, if you want to call it that way. Patriotism loves the nation, [0:36:06] loves the people, loves whatever's good in the national ideals and seeks to have it baptized [0:36:12] and Christianized. No, I think that totally, totally makes sense. And yeah, it's going to [0:36:19] be interesting to see, because especially in America, we've got our own kind of set of problems [0:36:23] where, for example, you can say England for the English, Ireland for the Irish, Germany for the [0:36:29] German, France for the French, but you say America for the American, and all of a sudden it goes out [0:36:34] the window. And we're, we're kind of stuck spinning our wheels. And I think that there's a lot of [0:36:40] maybe over analysis that happens, but sometimes that can kind of like lead you down, not a good [0:36:47] path, actually, you know, when talking about ethnicity and whatnot here in the States. [0:36:55] Obviously, white people should not be persecuted. [0:36:58] I don't think that's good. [0:37:00] And we've seen a fair share of that with DEI, CRT, affirmative action and whatnot. [0:37:05] There are some real gripes that are there. [0:37:07] But I think taking it to the extreme of like, you know, deporting all, you know, black people [0:37:13] or something back to Africa, that's a little ridiculous, especially because, I don't know, [0:37:18] we like voted, we voted on like an amendment to the constitution. Hello. So we've got to find a [0:37:25] different way for that, for that to go forward here in the States. But yeah, here's, here's, [0:37:31] by the way, a picture of the Spanish Carlists. They're very distinctive with their red berets. [0:37:37] But yeah, that is the group that really cinched it for the Spanish people. [0:37:46] And of course, they avoided all of the pitfalls. [0:37:49] They stayed out of the Second World War and Franco reigned until 1975. [0:37:55] And so I do think that there's a lot of really good things that happened in Spain that we should be looking towards as Catholics that are dealing with some of these same issues. [0:38:07] Bolshevism, these labor unions that are like absolutely out of control here in the states even. [0:38:13] And of course the rise of democratic socialism that we're seeing now in New York with Mamdani. [0:38:18] It's spreading across the country like wildfire, these concepts and ideas of socialism and whatnot. [0:38:25] So we are going to have to get our act together. And with that, I do think, you know, we're going to kind of switch to be a little bit more forward thinking. On last week's show, we talked with TLM Ryan about he had this article. I'm not going to be able to pull it up. [0:38:43] But he had this article where he did a statistical analysis looking at the Novus Ordo and their birth rates, their death rates. [0:38:51] And in the coming years, the next decade or two, we are projecting that about 30 percent of the church is going to die. [0:39:00] That being what's left of the silent generation and the boomers. [0:39:05] They are going to leave this earth and go on to whatever comes next. [0:39:10] And with that, I think we're going to see a wave of parish closures. [0:39:15] There's, of course, this article that we talked about diocesan restructuring, which basically is a pre-planned thing that has been written up about how they are going to be closing parishes. [0:39:29] They're planning on it. Like, for example, the Diocese of Peoria is projecting to close 150—no, not 156 parishes, but they're going to go from 156 to 75 parishes by 2027, which is absolutely crazy. [0:39:47] More than 50 percent cut. [0:39:49] Yes. And so we've got on the one hand the rise of these kind of anti-Christian political ideologies, that of socialism, communism, universal basic income, and on the other hand, the decline of the Catholic Church. [0:40:08] I very clearly see how we could be faced with a persecution in this country, the level of which was seen in Spain at the time of the Spanish Civil War. [0:40:21] So how are we supposed to prepare for that? [0:40:24] What would your thoughts be on how us laypeople can be prepared for this new world that is coming in the next 10 to 20 years? [0:40:38] Well, just to add to the severity of what you said, the modern states, you know, so the Spanish Civil War was what, 36 to 39, right? [0:40:49] So, you know, 10 years, we're 10 years shy of the centenary of that, right? [0:40:57] In the intervening 90 years, a lot of technology has advanced that the totalitarian state has powers that the Bolsheviks would drool over, right? [0:41:14] So what can be done by the American deep state is something that Lenin and Stalin, especially, and his apparatchiks would have dreamed, they couldn't have dreamed of the level of control that is afforded by the technology. [0:41:34] And of course, all these AI data centers are really building the digital control grid, which I think you probably know. [0:41:43] But probably most of your viewers are aware of that. [0:41:48] It's not so you can ask ChatGPT, what's the cheapest widget on Amazon.com or something. [0:41:58] um it's not to facilitate the kind of normal use of ai that we see now so um what where i'm going [0:42:08] with that is this we have no chance at armed resistance against it it's just not going to [0:42:14] happen i mean it's going to be like um classic david and goliath and unless you know god commands [0:42:23] you, as you did David, or, you know, gives you an inspiration like that, you cannot fight [0:42:31] a just war if you don't have a chance of winning, right? [0:42:34] So, obviously, my take, I'm a Catholic religious brother, my whole world is about doing God's [0:42:47] will about giving God the proper adoration, thanksgiving, petition, and reparation that [0:42:56] are His due, and living a life of virtue that goes with that. [0:43:02] So how do you prepare yourself? [0:43:04] Well, first of all, it's got to be spiritual preparation by prayer, fasting, living the [0:43:10] church's liturgical life, praying your daily rosary, doing what Our Lady of Fatima called [0:43:15] for. [0:43:16] These are the things that lead us to prepare ourselves. [0:43:20] But if we take that and say, okay, but outside of the individual and outside of the home, what can we do? [0:43:29] Well, look at what the end result of a perfect Christian society would be. [0:43:34] I just told you what I thought was the ideal of a Catholic state, and it was the Carlist ideal. [0:43:40] For them, there's a lot of emphasis on localism. [0:43:44] And for us, we realize that one of the biggest problems is statism, and it's this highly centralized statism, which even in the American milieu is frankly anti-American. [0:43:52] I mean, if you go back to the original foundation, you had, you know, I realize there was always this tension between the federalists and the anti-federalists and so forth. [0:44:01] But by and large, there was a respect for states' rights, local rule, et cetera. [0:44:08] if we can if we can say if that's the goal that we want to go towards which is small communities [0:44:16] and what can be done most effectively at the lowest level is done at that level [0:44:21] that's the level to focus on and it's not just your home it's also your neighbors so for instance [0:44:29] as somebody told me as i've heard from multiple people actually the advice is get to know your [0:44:35] neighbors. Yes. Get to know your neighbors because when stuff really goes sideways, I won't say go [0:44:43] south because I'm from the south, but when stuff really goes sideways, those are the people that [0:44:49] you can barter with that, you know, okay, we have chickens and we have pigs and you have cows and, [0:44:55] you know, we can trade, we can barter, we can work together for survival. And in a Catholic [0:45:03] setting, this is also evangelical. We live in a time when people don't know their neighbors. [0:45:09] We have this highly mobile society. We have people moving in and moving out. And people are so [0:45:16] bunkered down, not in some survivalist mode, but they're bunkered down on their phones and their [0:45:22] computers on the internet and streaming services or whatever, and they don't know each other. [0:45:26] So building local community is very important, whether it's around the chapel, the parish, the monastery. [0:45:36] This is how, by the way, there's so many points of comparison between where we are at this advanced stage of decline in the American empire and where the Roman empire was in the fifth century on its way out. [0:45:54] what happened when the empire fell in the west in 476 which is kind of arbitrary [0:46:02] to fix that but it happened to be when one when the emperor was basically knocked off his throne by [0:46:08] the uh germanic um barbarian who was leading his army um who's leading the roman army um [0:46:16] what happened well what eventually happened was the monasteries built up and towns were [0:46:24] built, and the feudal order came in as a result, and all of that was because of the effort to [0:46:31] build monasticism as a way of adoring God, as a way of culting the material life of the monks [0:46:41] and the nuns, but it was also a way of building up society, because why is St. Benedict, [0:46:49] one of the patron saints of Europe, I have an icon on my wall with the patron saints of Europe, [0:46:53] and he's the first one. [0:46:54] Why is he the patron saint of Europe? [0:46:56] Because in building up Christian monasticism [0:47:00] all across the continent, [0:47:02] he laid the foundations for a Christian culture. [0:47:06] You know, St. Augustine before St. Benedict, [0:47:08] St. Augustine lay dying [0:47:10] when the Vandals were laying siege to North Africa, [0:47:12] Roman North Africa. [0:47:14] And his city of God went beyond North Africa [0:47:21] when the Vandals finally took it over, and when St. Augustine's monks end up going into Europe, [0:47:29] taking with them the city of God, they had a blueprint in that book. [0:47:36] And Charlemagne had that book read to him every day, [0:47:40] and he used it to model his Christian Roman Empire, the Holy Roman Empire, after. [0:47:45] So what I'm saying is, learn your faith, learn about, especially men, learn about what constitutes Christian social order in the traditional teaching of the church. [0:47:59] Learn what, say, St. Augustine writes in the City of God. [0:48:03] Learn these things. [0:48:05] And, yeah, I mean, I'm not against prepping. [0:48:07] I'm not against any of that stuff. [0:48:09] but no man is an island and no home is going to be able to become completely self-sufficient. [0:48:17] So learn to work with your neighbors. So again, we live in a rural area. It's a huge advantage. [0:48:22] We have a farm, we have chickens, we have pigs, and we have neighbors that we can barter with and [0:48:29] that we can work with. And at the same time that that puts in place a very practical way of eating [0:48:38] when there's no food, you know, it also, or, you know, when you can't get to the grocery stores, [0:48:44] it also puts in place actual social order, right? You're working with your neighbors, [0:48:51] you know your neighbors, you're not atomized, and you're not just tribal in the sense that, [0:48:58] you know, your next door neighbor is Democrat, you're Republican. At that local level, [0:49:04] you can achieve so much more than you can in national politics, which to me, [0:49:08] national politics are doomed. It's damn, the whole thing is lost. It's a lost project. I'm [0:49:13] blackpilled on, on, on federal elections. Um, but locally you can do an awful lot. Yeah. And I don't [0:49:20] mean politically, I mean, in the real world politics of your neighbors and your community, [0:49:25] that's what I mean. Oh no, absolutely. You know, it is so funny to hear you say that. Cause it's [0:49:30] like, you're plucking the words right out of my mouth. This is exactly what we've been talking [0:49:34] about on this podcast, the, uh, the rebuilding, the reweaving of social fabric, uh, because we [0:49:42] don't have that anymore. We've got our personalized algorithms. We've got our, uh, for you section on [0:49:47] X that shows you these curated stories. We're all kind of siloed and sandboxed and, uh, you need to [0:49:54] get out from behind the screens. And, and this is also one of the reasons, and it's one of the [0:49:58] reasons why I'm like, so hated here in Idaho. Uh, there's like, I've got a whole little fan club of [0:50:04] people that like stalk me and hate me. And it's because I'm encouraging people to get involved [0:50:09] at the local level. Like, um, you know, with this idea of being black pilled, so many people [0:50:15] will look at the federal level, get black pilled, and then they will stop engaging at the local [0:50:21] level because all, all, all elections are rigged. Well, actually, no, uh, we proved that wrong [0:50:28] where I live here in post falls. We've got a wonderful mayor, a wonderful city council, [0:50:32] our soil and water districts, our highway districts. These are all good people that [0:50:39] are running these different institutions. And that wouldn't have happened if everybody had [0:50:43] just checked out. We have to engage. And furthermore, you know, obviously, yeah, [0:50:48] the Republican Party kind of sucks. They haven't meaningfully done anything for the people here in [0:50:55] America. They make these promises. We're going to deport them all. We're going to, you know, [0:50:59] restore American greatness and all of that, they get into office and it's the most corrupt [0:51:03] administration probably in history. Um, maybe, I mean, at least the most overtly corrupt [0:51:10] administration in history. And so they're not hiding it. They're not hiding it. No, [0:51:15] no, they are not. And so this is why I've been advocating that people get involved in their [0:51:19] local Republican central committees because it does a couple of things. It gives you that [0:51:24] pretext for why are you going door to door? Why are you meeting your neighbors? Oh, well, [0:51:29] I'm trying to gain a seat on the local Republican party to be your voice, to be your representative. [0:51:37] You know, and so it gives you this excuse to distribute information to your neighbors. You [0:51:42] can become an instrumental part of how they learn about local politics. Start a newsletter for your [0:51:49] neighbors. You can send that around and make sure that people are keeping an eye on what they need [0:51:54] to keep an eye on. But also, yeah, rebuilding these business leagues, rebuilding things around [0:52:01] the parish, and even just building a parish. I've been talking about this on the show a lot, too. [0:52:07] Here in North Idaho, the Catholic community has grown so much that, you know, we've got like six [0:52:14] masses on Sunday, and each of them are standing room only. So we just launched this $60 million [0:52:20] building project to build a new church, a new school, a new rectory, a library, a center for [0:52:27] Catholic life here in North Idaho that we currently don't have. We're kind of crammed into [0:52:32] this small building, and we need more space. And so this is a video. And of course, this was [0:52:38] designed by James McCreary, the guy that also designed the ballroom in Washington, D.C. But [0:52:46] That's a whole other story. [0:52:49] But so you've got things like this that are popping up. [0:52:51] And also sweeping across the country, especially here in North Idaho, is something called the Catholic Land Movement, which is people kind of returning to the land, getting back into subsistence farming, regenerative farming, helping people get out of the cities. [0:53:08] Because we're going through a period of time right now that is very similar to what was going on 100 years ago. [0:53:16] but the industrial revolution. You know, we had these machines that were coming in and making [0:53:21] people rethink, well, what is labor? What is my value in society when it comes to my work? And, [0:53:30] you know, the, what is it, the electric or the steam-powered loom was kind of the first thing. [0:53:35] You get the Luddites and start blowing these things up. Now we're dealing with AI, which is [0:53:40] going to absolutely rip through the white collar, uh, working class, uh, over the next few years. [0:53:47] I mean, the, the projections, uh, for people getting laid off is just, uh, staggering, [0:53:53] uh, absolutely staggering, but people are kind of like rethinking their labor. You know, do I want [0:53:59] to work for a soulless corporation? It's going to wring me out like a wet rag, or do I want to [0:54:04] change my life and kind of go to a smaller, more localized thing where you're focused on actually [0:54:13] like, you know, putting food on the table and stuff like that. So yeah, it is great to be hearing [0:54:18] you coming to the exact same conclusions, the same kind of prescriptions for how to deal with this. [0:54:25] But the other thing about this that we're going to have to confront at a certain point, and I don't [0:54:31] mean to preach and I don't mean to cast aspersions on anyone or anything like that, but we have [0:54:38] seen over the last hundred years a tremendous amount of cowardice, especially among Catholic [0:54:44] men, when it comes to defending the faith, defending your country, your, you know, people [0:54:51] thinking, oh, well, my employer isn't going to like it if I say this thing. And so, you know, [0:54:56] I can't lose my job. You know, I can't stick to my guns. I'm going to have to just kind of take it. [0:55:01] Um, you know, there's this story going back to the Spanish civil war. There's this story, uh, it's in, uh, Warren Carroll's book, the last crusade with the defense of the Alcazar, uh, where the Spanish, uh, Raquette army and the Carlists had taken over the stronghold, uh, in, in, I forget what section of Spain it was, the Northeast of Spain. [0:55:26] and they kidnapped the general's son, right? [0:55:32] And they called the general on the phone and said, [0:55:35] look, we've got your son. [0:55:37] You need to abandon the Alcazar and give it up [0:55:40] or else we'll kill him. [0:55:41] And the general said, let me talk to my son. [0:55:44] And he basically gave him a pep talk [0:55:47] on that there is nothing greater that you can do [0:55:50] than die for your country, die for your God, [0:55:53] die for the truth. [0:55:54] So, you know, take heart. [0:55:57] And they murdered him right there on the phone. [0:56:00] And he had to sit there and hear that. [0:56:02] He had to hear his son getting murdered, but he never wavered. [0:56:08] He went through that heartbreaking moment for the faith, for his country, and of course they were eventually victorious. [0:56:16] But I feel like nowadays most people would have taken that compromise. [0:56:20] Most people would have said, yeah, you know what? Give me my son back. We'll leave. And so what can we do to kind of foster that spirit of self-sacrifice where we kind of understand that this is bigger than each one of us individually, if that makes sense as a question? [0:56:43] Well, the whole, I mean, by the way, I love that story. [0:56:47] I mean, I learned it years ago from my friend Gary Potter, who's since gone to his reward. [0:56:54] But it's an amazing story, a show of incredible fortitude on the part of that general. [0:57:00] And I think his last words to his son were, die like a man. [0:57:06] Yeah. [0:57:06] So that kind of vision of masculinity that's self-sacrificial is very important. [0:57:14] I think there are many things that can be done. [0:57:18] Obviously, living a sacramental life for Catholics is integral and is baseline, absolutely necessary. [0:57:27] And cultivating specifically masculine virtues, men are called to love. [0:57:34] And we have this very effeminate idea of love, which is basically self-gratification. [0:57:41] We make love anything from lust to a sort of superficial kindness. [0:57:46] Now, kindness has a place. [0:57:47] Obviously, it's actually virtuous. [0:57:49] But charity is a supernatural virtue that loves God and loves the neighbor for the love of God. [0:57:57] And charity is willing to be sacrificial, right? [0:58:00] Charity is willing to suffer. [0:58:02] And a man, whether he's a man who's going to be the head of a family or consecrated by religious vows or consecrated by holy orders, he's there to suffer for someone else. [0:58:21] So in the case of a priest, he's sort of mystically espoused to the church. [0:58:28] in the case of a religious man, he's kind of like St. John the Baptist, the friend of the bridegroom. [0:58:36] You know, he's there as a member of the church, but also helping the church to espouse Christ more intensely, [0:58:49] to be the best man. That's what St. John the Baptist was. [0:58:53] When St. John Baptist is described as the friend of the bridegroom, that was the equivalent in those days of the best man. [0:59:01] So we brothers are kind of like the best man, you know, who are rejoicing in the espousals of Christ, his church. [0:59:10] The head of a family is Jesus Christ in his home. [0:59:15] He is the head of that family spiritually and physically and biologically and also financially and in every other way, morally. [0:59:27] And men have to recoup the spiritual headship of the family. [0:59:32] You don't outsource the spiritual headship of your family to the priest. [0:59:36] There's a dangerous thing in that feminism and clericalism. [0:59:42] and it's sometimes way more subtle than obvious feminism and obvious clericalism. [0:59:48] Feminism and clericalism can rob a man of his proper role in the family. [0:59:53] I've seen it. It's awful. [0:59:55] This happens in Protestant circles, by the way, but it also happens in Catholic circles, [0:59:59] and it's shocking and awful. [1:00:01] I had a friend who used the shocking term being spiritually cuckolded by a priest. [1:00:07] when a man's headship of his family is taken away by a priest [1:00:13] who's just sort of always scheming with the wife to be running the family. [1:00:18] And men have to realize you're called to sacrifice yourself for the family. [1:00:23] You love your wife. You love your children. [1:00:25] You're willing to suffer for them. [1:00:27] So get a serious spiritual life. [1:00:29] Engage in mental prayer every day, even if it's only 15 minutes. [1:00:33] Say a rosary every day. [1:00:34] Be willing to sacrifice your personal me time on your whatever it is, your device or whatever that's distracting you from the duties of your state in life. [1:00:48] Try to get rid of the distractions in life as much as possible. [1:00:53] And realize that you're going to have to sacrifice for your family. [1:00:58] And if you're religious, you sacrifice for your religious community. [1:01:01] If you're a priest, you sacrifice for your parishioners or whoever is dependent upon you in your sacramental ministrations as a priest. [1:01:09] So the idea that, and this is done for love. [1:01:13] This is how you show love. [1:01:15] Love is the highest virtue. [1:01:16] Supernatural love, charity is the highest virtue. [1:01:19] But it proves itself in its willingness to sacrifice. [1:01:23] and men have become, you know, fat, lazy, stupid, [1:01:27] and have outsourced things to too many people. [1:01:33] Men outsource things to their wives. [1:01:35] Obviously, marriage is a partnership. [1:01:37] I'm not saying you just dominate, do everything, [1:01:39] and micromanage your wife. [1:01:41] She's not a child. [1:01:42] She's your partner. [1:01:43] So that's important to keep in mind. [1:01:47] But the idea that if men really are going to reclaim [1:01:50] their headship of society, they're going to have to be able to embrace the suffering that is [1:02:00] necessary to go along with that. And one of the practical ways to do this, read the lives of the [1:02:04] saints who did this stuff. My friend Charles Colom has a fantastic book on blessed Karl von [1:02:11] Habsburg, a great statesman, you know, a great thinker, you know, by the way, principles of [1:02:17] We talked about that earlier in politics. He was all for it in the empire. [1:02:24] You know, he would have he would have implemented it in the empire. [1:02:27] But of course, the Freemasons and the anti-Christians, they had to take him out. [1:02:31] He suffered for the church. He suffered for his people, all of them. [1:02:37] And these are a diverse bunch of people. [1:02:39] And by the way, there's another Catholic example of social order was the empire under the Habsburgs, which had all those, literally the Balkans, right? [1:02:51] Literally the most Balkanized people on earth were in that empire. [1:02:55] And he thought he was father to all of them. [1:02:58] And he would have avoided a lot of the subsequent strife that happened after World War I. [1:03:03] that led to world war ii because in his vision of the empire you would have had a lot more [1:03:08] subsidiarity and the romanians and the hungarians and the slovenians and the slovakians and they [1:03:13] wouldn't have all been at each other's throats in these quests for you know perfect the perfect [1:03:19] ethno-nationalist state they would have had the principle of subsidiarity wrapped up into the [1:03:24] the larger Christian empire. [1:03:27] But Carl at a personal level showed what it was to live as a true Christian [1:03:34] statesman. And when he laid dying, [1:03:37] he brought his oldest son, Otto, into the room who didn't die that long ago. [1:03:44] Otto was very old when he died. He brought Otto into his room and he said, [1:03:48] I want Otto to see how a Christian man dies. [1:03:55] I think, no, what he says is how an emperor dies. [1:03:58] So he wanted him to see that. [1:04:00] There's Emperor Karl wearing the crown of St. Stephen of Hungary [1:04:03] because he was also the apostolic king of Hungary [1:04:07] as well as being the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. [1:04:10] But you read a man like that, you look at him, he was slight of build. [1:04:13] He wasn't ripped. [1:04:14] You don't get some sort of vile simulacrum of masculinity like Andrew Tate or some low life like that. [1:04:23] But what you see is a real Christian man with a will of steel and genuine love for his people and for his family. [1:04:33] By the way, his widow, Empress Zita, lived briefly in a town just adjacent to ours in Massachusetts. [1:04:41] And she was an impressive woman, too. [1:04:44] I was going to say, dare we call Blessed Karl of Austria the last Christian prince? [1:04:51] Yeah, yeah. [1:04:52] I mean, I think he was. [1:04:55] I mean, Charles Cologne was like the world's most enthusiastic Catholic monarch, as he could tell you. [1:05:00] Yeah. [1:05:00] Who else might vie for that? [1:05:02] But all the royal houses are still around. [1:05:05] So, you know, if venerable Bartholomew Holzhouser's prophecies holds true, which I tend to believe that they will, all the European nations will be governed by crowned heads in the future. [1:05:22] That might seem difficult to us now, impossible. [1:05:26] But then again, in his days, it would be considered impossible that there would ever be republics in these places where we have republics now. [1:05:33] So what I'm getting at is this, what can men do? I'm not saying, you know, be an Emperor Karl, because, well, you're not the emperor of Austria, and you're not the Amosalli King of Hungary. [1:05:44] But you have his example of sacrificial love to live, practically speaking, in your home, in your monastery, in your parish, if you're a parish priest. [1:05:57] And we can, if we men realize that really to love somebody is to sacrifice for that person and to suffer with that person, for that person, and sometimes from that person. [1:06:11] and we catholic men also have to realize that that's true of the institutional church [1:06:19] we have to suffer for it with it and dang it sometimes from it yeah and and you know [1:06:28] no at no point is is is apostasy or defection to heresy or schism an option it doesn't matter how [1:06:36] pretty pretty the russian orthodox liturgy is you have to die a catholic if you want to go to heaven [1:06:40] And you must be true to Christ's spouse, especially when she's being beaten, threshed about by her own higher clergy. [1:06:51] Oh, yeah. [1:06:51] Yeah, I was going to say, you know, people forget. [1:06:53] Who was it that hung Jesus Christ on the cross? [1:06:58] It was the authorities and the religious, authorized religious institution at the time. [1:07:06] Okay? [1:07:07] They were the ones that put him on a show trial, falsely accused him, brought him before Pilate, and had him hung on a cross. [1:07:13] It was the legitimate religious authorities at that time. [1:07:17] So why would it be any different than today? [1:07:20] And people are scandalized that the pope would say something unorthodox or, you know, whatever. [1:07:26] And it's like, can we just briefly take a look at, like, I don't know, the gospel where the first pope denied Christ three times, like, as he's being killed? [1:07:35] like this should not be a surprise to anybody now i know not not only that but when he says [1:07:42] blessed are thai simon barjona for flesh and blood have not revealed this to you but my father [1:07:46] who is in heaven it's like three verses later when jesus calls him satan he goes from he goes [1:07:52] from calling him blessed of my father to satan and you know there's a gorgeous we have it on our [1:07:58] website there's a gorgeous meditation by the russian orthodox slash catholic thinker complicated [1:08:04] there. Vladimir Shlofiev, who wrote an incredible book called Russia and the Universal Church, [1:08:13] and he has this beautiful meditation on the office of the papacy, and it's a meditation [1:08:19] on St. Peter and his denials and these various interactions between our Lord and St. Peter. [1:08:26] And he was a Russian Christian, Russian Orthodox baptized, but he believed in the papacy, [1:08:31] and he was received into the Catholic Church by Father Tolstoy, [1:08:36] who, believe it or not, was the nephew of the novelist. [1:08:39] And he ended up writing this exquisite defense of the papacy, [1:08:45] directed at Russians. [1:08:48] And, you know, Russia's going to convert. [1:08:50] I mean, I believe what Our Lady said at Fatima is going to happen. [1:08:53] And by the way, when Russia converts, [1:08:55] I think you're going to see an infusion of masculinity in the church that we need, [1:09:01] because I'm not saying the Russians are perfectly virtuous. [1:09:06] Decades of communism took its toll, [1:09:09] but their idea of masculinity is so much better than what we've got [1:09:13] in our feminized Western culture. [1:09:16] Oh, yeah. [1:09:16] Now, not to belabor any of that, we were a little over an hour. [1:09:20] I want to be respectful of your time. [1:09:22] But you did mention something here that I've heard about, [1:09:25] we've never talked about on the show, [1:09:26] And that is the prophecy of venerable Bartholomew Holzhouser. Walk us through this, because you hear it kind of whispered in the same breath as like the three days of darkness. [1:09:42] So what is this prophecy? And I guess what weight would you give it? [1:09:49] so i by the way much more weight than i would give to the three days of darkness which i think [1:09:55] is something that traditional catholic uses to terrify their children but um that said i think [1:10:00] that the um the prophecies of venerable bartholomew holtzhouser which were approved i mean i know [1:10:07] they're not infallible they're not holy scripture but many of the things that he prophesied came to [1:10:13] pass so in other words there's a kind of a already tried and true aspect his prophecies [1:10:20] um he was a priest who died in the odor of sanctity um a german a german priest and his [1:10:27] uh he was given this sort of vision of history according to you know the seven churches that [1:10:36] are mentioned in the book of the apocalypse he was given this vision of the seven epochs of history [1:10:42] and according to his reckoning we're like in the fifth era and the fifth era uh is going to give [1:10:49] way to the sixth era in which you're going to have all these crown heads of state and so forth [1:10:55] and then you're going to have antichrist what one of the one of the keys to his prophecies to [1:11:02] understand what one of the values to his prophecies and other private revelations as well and i'm not [1:11:06] a big private revelation guy i'd rather go with the public revelation which most people don't know [1:11:10] before I start getting the private stuff. [1:11:13] But one of the advantages to his private revelation is this. [1:11:17] A lot of people are talking about the Antichrist coming, you know, [1:11:20] like down the road any day now. [1:11:22] But I don't think we're ready for it. [1:11:23] And the reason I don't think we're, I don't mean we're not morally prepared. [1:11:26] Of course we're not. [1:11:27] I mean, I don't think it's going to happen soon. [1:11:29] And the reason I don't think it's going to happen soon [1:11:30] is because the great apostasy has to happen. [1:11:32] And the great apostasy is only going to happen [1:11:34] after a time of spiritual flourishing in the church [1:11:38] and the successful, effective evangelization of all nations, which hasn't yet happened. [1:11:45] And when that happens, and the period of peace spoken of by Our Lady of Fatima happens, [1:11:51] that's when you're going to see the crowned heads of state. [1:11:53] That's when you're going to see Catholic social order. [1:11:56] That's when you're going to see religious life flourishing, the biblical life flourishing, [1:12:01] parishes flourishing, probably, Venerable Bethelman didn't say that, [1:12:07] probably the suppression of these experimental strange new rites that came out after the council. [1:12:13] You're going to end up seeing a flourishing of Catholicity and evangelical fervor and monastic [1:12:19] intensity and so forth, East and West, all over the world, right? It's only after that that the [1:12:28] hearts of men will grow cold, and then you're going to have the decline, and then you're going [1:12:33] they have the great apostasy. So that's, to me, the value of Holzhouser is he's got this [1:12:38] timeline of history, not naming years, but naming like epochs. And we're in the fifth age, [1:12:46] according to him. And the sixth age is going to be this glory age, and then there's going to be [1:12:51] this sort of decline into the time of Antichrist. And at that point, it's going to be rapid fire [1:12:56] events, you know, three and a half years of the reign of Antichrist. And then Jesus Christ comes [1:13:01] And no, it's not a thousand year millennial rule on earth that's been condemned by the church's [1:13:07] culio-ism. So that's, I'm no expert in Holzhouser, but that's what I've read. [1:13:14] Got it. Well, that's certainly interesting. There's an article here on, it was a tradition [1:13:18] inaction.org, a little bit that touches on this. I'm sure that if anybody is interested in digging [1:13:24] a little deeper, you can use Google, maybe use AI or something, you'll figure it out. [1:13:29] But, brother, thank you so much for joining me today. Before you go, tell us a little bit about your order, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart. Of course, we don't like that word anymore. That's a naughty word. But what does it mean? Tell us about your order. Can, if somebody's out there, can they come join your order? What's going on with that? [1:13:52] Sure. [1:13:53] Yeah, we're the slaves of the Mac and the Heart of Mary, [1:13:55] originally founded in 1949. [1:13:57] Our founder is the not uncontroversial [1:14:00] Father Leonard Feeney. [1:14:02] Our raison d'être, car célèbre, [1:14:05] however you want to say it, [1:14:06] is extra clésor de la salos, [1:14:08] outside the church is no salvation. [1:14:09] But of course, we live a Catholic religious life [1:14:12] and evangelize. [1:14:15] So we have brothers, we have sisters [1:14:18] here in Richmond, New Hampshire. [1:14:20] our website is catholicism.org [1:14:23] my email address is [1:14:24] B-A-M, BAM, like Brother Andre [1:14:27] Marie, BAM at catholicism.org, you can learn [1:14:29] more about us there, you can write me directly [1:14:31] if you write me asking [1:14:33] or if you use the contact [1:14:35] page on our site, the contact form on our [1:14:37] site, and you're a woman, I can [1:14:38] refer you to our sisters [1:14:41] but yeah, we [1:14:42] have a, we're not [1:14:44] we're not an exclusively [1:14:46] contemplative as in non-active [1:14:49] order. We're a mixture of life of contemplation and action. We have a farm. We live in a rural [1:14:55] area, so there's lots of occasions for contemplative life. And we have a labor of work and labor, [1:15:03] but we also publicly evangelize. And we write articles for catholicism.org, for our own [1:15:11] newsletter, and some of us have been published in other venues, other media. And our goal, [1:15:19] really, is to have a Catholic America. That's, you know, that's our goal. And one of the things [1:15:26] that we push for is learning about the Catholic history of America, about, not about, you know, [1:15:31] this bishop and that bishop in this or that diocese, but learning about the saints and the [1:15:38] Blesseds and the Holy Souls who work to evangelize this country, the North American martyrs. [1:15:44] Father Cataldo up in your neck of the woods and the Sacred Heart Mission up there with [1:15:48] the Indians. [1:15:50] There's an incredible prehistory to the church in this country and an ongoing history of [1:15:57] people like Father DeSmet and Bishop Baraga, people who should be household names and aren't. [1:16:03] We want to make these names known better. [1:16:06] And we do a lot of promotion of that sort of thing. [1:16:09] By the way, our sisters are intimately intertwined in the life of the Catholic land movement. [1:16:16] I was happy that you flashed on the screen their website. [1:16:21] I've given a presentation of the Catholic land movement in New York State. [1:16:24] And some of our sisters have several years at their conferences. [1:16:27] So we're involved in a lot of those projects, but really our whole push is to evangelize America as traditional Catholics. [1:16:38] Nice. That's awesome. And of course, you can follow Brother Andre Marie on X at Brother underscore Andre. [1:16:46] Your congregation has a Twitter account at SBC underscore Catholic. [1:16:52] Your website, of course, Catholicism.org. [1:16:55] You run a weekly radio show as a part of Mike Church's radio network, and you can get that at reconquest.net. [1:17:04] There's, of course, a huge trove of back episodes that people can go through and get educated. [1:17:11] Well, thank you, brother, for joining us today. [1:17:13] It's been a real pleasure talking to you, and we'll have to have you back again. [1:17:16] Well, thanks, Dave. [1:17:17] I appreciate it. [1:17:19] Awesome. [1:17:19] And I'll come back anytime. [1:17:21] Awesome. [1:17:21] Yeah, great. [1:17:23] All right. [1:17:23] God bless you. [1:17:24] Boom. [1:17:24] Perfect. [1:17:25] We'll edit that and we'll be good. [1:17:27] So this should air next Wednesday. [1:17:31] Okay. [1:17:32] And so that'll live stream on all the platforms and whatnot. [1:17:38] And yeah, thanks again for taking – I'm just – I'm so excited because it's like you're saying all the same stuff that I'm saying over here. [1:17:46] And it's just – it's nice to hear it coming from a religious person as opposed to just me, the kooky lay guy that's running around the space. [1:17:54] The sky is falling. The sky is falling quick. You know, we got to organize. We got to know our neighbors. Like what's, you know? So anyway, thank you very much. [1:18:01] All right, Eric. You're welcome. Thank you. They appreciate the opportunity. God bless you. 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[1:23:42] We are not doing well financially in this country. [1:23:45] We just passed last week $40 trillion of debt. [1:23:49] I don't know if you saw that, but we did it. [1:23:53] It's a golden age, right? [1:23:54] Golden age. [1:23:56] Let me pull up the tweet on that because it's just crazy. [1:24:00] Here it is, the U.S. national debt. [1:24:03] Congratulations, America. [1:24:05] We did it. [1:24:06] $40 trillion in debt. [1:24:09] And of course, you know, talking about the Habsburg Empire, what brought them down was [1:24:13] compound interest. [1:24:14] and so if you are [1:24:16] you know [1:24:17] skeptical of the fiat money [1:24:18] if you are concerned [1:24:20] about the runaway money printing [1:24:21] you need to start thinking [1:24:23] about saving in gold and silver [1:24:25] of course you can go to your local [1:24:27] gold and silver shop [1:24:29] or you could go online [1:24:30] to atlasbullion.com [1:24:31] slash backlash [1:24:32] they've got gold and silver subscriptions [1:24:34] right there [1:24:35] that you can get signed up for [1:24:36] so please check them out [1:24:38] check out all of our sponsors [1:24:39] in the links below [1:24:40] and thank you for joining us today [1:24:41] this is a really great episode [1:24:43] I love it [1:24:44] I love it when I see other people that are thinking along the same lines. [1:24:48] Their prescriptions for action are very similar. [1:24:52] You know, we've got to get to know our neighbors. [1:24:54] It's very basic stuff. [1:24:56] We've got to rebuild social fabric, get to know our neighbors, [1:24:59] figure out alternative methods of getting food and supply chains [1:25:03] and all of the things that we need to live. [1:25:05] And also, you know, restoring masculinity, [1:25:07] restoring the father as the head of the household. [1:25:10] So that's all big stuff. [1:25:11] So anyway, thank you again to Andre Marie, Brother Andre Marie, for joining us. It was really wonderful talking with him. It's been a long, long time since I've spoken with him. Man, I mean, when I first converted and I was living up in Ridgefield, Connecticut, and I think this was 2014, I remember one day all the brothers from the St. Benedict Center came in and it was like, yo, who are these guys? [1:25:34] you know, just deadly serious. They came into mass. They didn't say a word. They came in, [1:25:39] they went to mass, they prayed, they left without speaking a word to anybody. And they just, [1:25:43] they left an impression on me. And, uh, I was subsequently able to get in touch with brother [1:25:49] Andre Marie. And of course now we've had him on the show, so we'll have to have him back. Um, [1:25:54] and, uh, I'll put all of the links of course, to his stuff in the show notes below. So anyway, [1:25:59] thank you for joining us. Uh, we are going to be having a tiny little bit of a hiatus, [1:26:04] I believe over the next couple of days, um, September, the, uh, the Monday and Wednesday [1:26:11] next week, I'm not going to be, uh, available. Um, thank God my parents are finally making the [1:26:17] trek. We've convinced them after years of grinding them down, uh, to move here to North Idaho, to the, [1:26:22] the promised land, uh, the land before time, uh, the hidden Valley. I don't know what you want to [1:26:28] call it God's country. Uh, but, uh, we're helping them move up here. So, uh, please look out. We [1:26:33] will be back in the middle of September at the very latest. We've got some interviews scheduled [1:26:39] that you will, I think, enjoy very much, one of them being Pastor Chuck Baldwin. Of course, [1:26:45] he's a Protestant, but he runs a congregation out in Kalispell, Montana, that has been very [1:26:52] critical of the United States' relationship with Israel and Zionism, Judaism, the whole nine yards. [1:26:58] of course he's been at that for years [1:27:02] and now I think the world might be ready [1:27:04] to kind of hear his message a little bit more [1:27:06] so we will be interviewing him [1:27:08] going forward [1:27:10] also there was a couple of other people [1:27:13] that were going to be available [1:27:15] in September [1:27:16] we'll have Thomas 7-7 back [1:27:18] maybe Daryl Cooper [1:27:19] I don't know [1:27:20] depends on his schedule [1:27:21] but yeah it'll be good [1:27:24] so make sure that you're subscribed [1:27:25] make sure that you are smashing the follow [1:27:28] and the like buttons and the, you know, the tweet notification buttons and all of that. [1:27:32] And we will be back very shortly with a lot more great content. [1:27:38] God bless all of you. [1:27:39] Thank you for tuning in. [1:27:40] And we'll see you in a couple weeks. [1:27:42] Bye-bye.