Episode 168 — The FBI’s War on Traditional Catholics EXPOSED w/Kyle Seraphin

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[0:02:34] So we'll be getting into that. [0:02:35] I think we're going to have John Sharp, actually, [0:02:38] the publisher for IHS Press on this program very soon. [0:02:42] But today, today we are joined by somebody really incredible [0:02:46] who's done a lot of really good work for all of the American people, [0:02:49] and especially Catholics in this country. [0:02:51] That is, of course, Kyle Serafin. [0:02:53] He is a husband, a dad, a veteran, a podcaster, a whistleblower, [0:02:56] and a recovering FBI agent. [0:02:59] Kyle, thank you so much for joining us today. [0:03:01] Hey, David. It's good to see you again. [0:03:03] You lost a bunch of weight, as we were talking about just a minute ago. [0:03:05] Yeah, it's true. We met the first time in 2024, [0:03:08] and I've taken off about 100 pounds. [0:03:10] So it's amazing what not giving a shit what other people say about you will do. [0:03:15] You no longer have to drink or eat your sorrows away or whatever like that. [0:03:21] Plus, getting a gym membership helps, I think. [0:03:24] But the real reason why we're bringing you in today is because there has been a lot of developments. [0:03:32] Over the past couple of years, you released something called the Richmond Memo, [0:03:37] which was the internal FBI communique talking about radical extremist Catholicism, [0:03:44] which I think, what was this? [0:03:47] This was about a year ago in July of 2025. [0:03:50] The House Judiciary Committee held hearings on this [0:03:53] and did a report. [0:03:55] And recently, where is it? [0:03:57] I posted that picture a couple of times. [0:03:59] Where is it? [0:04:00] Recently, the Weaponization Working Group [0:04:03] released a giant, where is this? [0:04:06] It's like a 200-some page document [0:04:09] really dissecting the Richmond memo, [0:04:12] where it came from, [0:04:13] what happened, what the FBI has done in the wake of it. So Kyle, let's just start with the beginning. [0:04:23] Well, and I guess obviously I don't want you to like dox ways and means or, you know, dox anybody, [0:04:27] but how did this come about? So I'm assuming somebody in the FBI became aware of this memo, [0:04:33] sent it to you and was like, Hey, this is a problem. Just, I guess, tell us the story a [0:04:37] little bit about how you released it and how that came about. Sure. Okay. So I became a whistleblower [0:04:42] in October of 2021. [0:04:44] This was in the middle of the COVID nonsense [0:04:46] and simultaneous to refusing the COVID vaccine [0:04:50] on religious grounds. [0:04:51] And I actually submitted about a three-page affidavit. [0:04:54] I had it notarized, which you didn't have to do, [0:04:56] but I brought it in and I said, [0:04:58] under no circumstances am I getting this vaccine. [0:05:01] So do what you want after that. [0:05:03] So that was step one of like sort of the fatal mistakes [0:05:06] if you want to keep a federal career. [0:05:07] And then the step two was, [0:05:09] I saw that the FBI had released this internal communication and it came from an assistant [0:05:17] director of counterterrorism as well as the assistant director of criminal division saying [0:05:22] that we it was kind of like a way to tag investigations into parents at school board [0:05:28] meetings and so that happens in October of 21 right after I go and tell them hey I'm kind of [0:05:34] in like DGAF mode [0:05:35] where I'm not playing ball with you guys. [0:05:38] And now I find out [0:05:39] that you've got the attorney general [0:05:40] who said under no circumstances [0:05:42] would they use Patriot Act tools [0:05:43] to go after parents at school boards. [0:05:44] There was this whole thing [0:05:45] about the National School Board Association [0:05:47] going into this thing [0:05:48] about whether they were going to call parents terrorists. [0:05:51] And I get this email saying [0:05:52] that not only are we going to be investigating them, [0:05:54] but we're going to investigate them [0:05:55] with counterterrorism tools, [0:05:57] which is to say the attorney general [0:05:58] appeared to have committed perjury under oath. [0:06:00] Wow. [0:06:01] So I bring this to my member of Congress. [0:06:03] And that was like step one of you're not going to work here anymore. [0:06:06] So almost immediately, I was told I couldn't come back into the office. [0:06:09] They changed all the COVID routines. [0:06:10] I get kicked out. [0:06:11] My last day was the day before Thanksgiving in 21. [0:06:14] And then I'm told not to show back up. [0:06:16] But I'm on like first using personal vacation time until I run out of it. [0:06:20] Then they canceled that and said I couldn't do that. [0:06:22] And then they changed all the rules. [0:06:23] April, I come back in and I'm there for six weeks and then I'm out. [0:06:26] And so after I get knocked out of the agency and I'm suspended forever without pay. [0:06:31] but it's not performance related. [0:06:34] It's like failure to follow our BS policies. [0:06:37] Right. [0:06:38] And, you know, and I knew I was never going to come back. [0:06:40] I knew that there was no, [0:06:41] there was no coming back from that. [0:06:42] I'd already burned all the bridges possible. [0:06:44] I'd already upset all the people. [0:06:45] I knew that they knew what I was doing. [0:06:47] And so I did a couple of things. [0:06:48] Number one, I went to go talk to James O'Keefe, [0:06:49] who I'm not a fan of, [0:06:51] but he was being singled out by the FBI [0:06:54] for political persecutions. [0:06:56] And so while I'm bringing up [0:06:57] First Amendment protected things [0:06:58] like freedom of the press, [0:06:59] I get a whistleblower from inside the FBI. [0:07:02] He was like, [0:07:02] Hey, [0:07:03] you've got contact with Jim Jordan's committee. [0:07:04] Is there a way that you can help me get some documents? [0:07:08] They're not classified, [0:07:09] but they have some potential sensitivities to them. [0:07:12] I'd like to get them to people on the house judiciary committee. [0:07:15] And I said, [0:07:16] yeah, [0:07:16] I'd happily do that. [0:07:18] Now, [0:07:18] the interesting thing is, [0:07:19] is you can be a whistleblower as a current or as a former or as whatever the [0:07:23] heck I was, [0:07:23] where you're like technically considered an employee with no paycheck for [0:07:26] months and months and months. [0:07:27] I ended up going like 14 months without a paycheck. [0:07:29] and they consider me an employee despite not paying me. [0:07:31] So that was really weird. [0:07:33] So this guy gives me this document. [0:07:34] Now, this is a 27-plus-year FBI agent [0:07:38] with no disciplinary records. [0:07:40] He's not Catholic. [0:07:42] He's a Christian who looked at it and said, [0:07:44] if you can call somebody a radical traditionalist Catholic, [0:07:47] then you can define any fringe group of Christianity [0:07:50] in any denomination, [0:07:52] and you can investigate them as a potential nexus, [0:07:56] is what we would call that, to white supremacy. [0:07:58] And that's what they were saying. [0:07:59] They were saying radical traditionalist Catholics who hold positions that are against abortion, which, by the way, I think is all Christians, people who have problems with an open border and want to defend national sovereignty, which I think is pretty reasonable for most Christians to stand behind. [0:08:15] and a couple of other sort of LGBTQIA plus sort of mentality [0:08:21] where you say that this is not really within God's plan. [0:08:23] If you hold these traditional Christian, [0:08:25] and I would call them traditionally conservative, [0:08:27] you could be a secular humanist that's a conservative, [0:08:29] and you would fall into that category. [0:08:31] That apparently makes you adjacent to white supremacists, [0:08:34] and thereby you are susceptible to recruitment by white supremacists, [0:08:39] whatever they call them. [0:08:39] They call them radical... [0:08:41] Racially motivated violent extremists. [0:08:43] Racially motivated violent extremists, that's right. [0:08:44] So it always is violent extremists, [0:08:46] even though you don't have to be violent [0:08:47] or even extreme in your beliefs. [0:08:49] So the FBI has these caveats. [0:08:51] They open up these cases [0:08:52] under what are called First Amendment caveats. [0:08:54] And we found out that this particular Richmond memo, [0:08:57] which was a domain perspective, [0:08:59] it was an intelligence product. [0:09:01] Essentially, it's a grown-up term paper. [0:09:03] And so all of our intelligence analysts inside the FBI, [0:09:07] they actually belong to ODNI. [0:09:08] This is something we thought Cash Patel actually understood. [0:09:11] And this particular document [0:09:13] was basically using improper sourcing [0:09:16] to include the Southern Poverty Law Center. [0:09:18] That was one of them. [0:09:19] They were using things like the Atlantic. [0:09:21] And they were saying that there's this, [0:09:23] you know, sort of literary connection [0:09:25] of Catholics to hate groups. [0:09:26] And therefore we're going to link [0:09:28] this particular sort of non-traditional [0:09:32] or actually more traditional Catholics, [0:09:34] they call them radical traditional, [0:09:35] to white supremacy. [0:09:37] And therefore we can investigate them. [0:09:38] And we think that we could mitigate [0:09:40] some of the danger by recruiting sources [0:09:42] inside the Catholic Church. [0:09:44] We think that we can go out there [0:09:45] and we can find members of the clergy [0:09:46] and members of the laity. [0:09:47] And if we go out there [0:09:48] and ask them enough questions [0:09:50] and recruit enough sources, [0:09:51] then the FBI is going to have [0:09:52] what are called tripwires [0:09:53] and liaison contacts. [0:09:55] And this is sort of like, [0:09:57] a tripwire would be like [0:09:58] if I went and recruited somebody [0:09:59] who was at a feed store [0:10:00] and said, [0:10:01] if anybody wants to buy [0:10:02] more than 50 pounds of fertilizer, [0:10:03] would you come let me know? [0:10:05] Right. [0:10:05] So that's a tripwire. [0:10:06] So it's an official connection, [0:10:07] but it's kind of like this hidden thing [0:10:09] that you might kick [0:10:10] and not know it [0:10:10] if you go out there [0:10:11] and you disturb. [0:10:11] one of the metrics that would lead us to believe [0:10:13] that there's terrorist activity taking place. [0:10:15] So that's what they were going to do. [0:10:16] And then the other one is actual source, [0:10:18] which is, you know, confidential human sources. [0:10:20] And the whole plan was they were going to build this, [0:10:22] what I would call like a seed crystal. [0:10:25] If you've ever tried to grow seeds with your kids [0:10:27] in any of these kind of like, [0:10:28] you know, you do this in like a National Geographic kit. [0:10:31] You start with the seed crystal [0:10:33] and it's the beginning of it. [0:10:34] And then everything propagates off there. [0:10:36] So all the structures are built upon that. [0:10:38] This was the first document of its type [0:10:40] with the idea being that you would have additional documents [0:10:43] that would sort of crystallize around it [0:10:47] to say that this is now established thought [0:10:49] inside the intelligence community [0:10:51] about Latin mass Catholics. [0:10:53] And therefore we can investigate them [0:10:56] and that association with a Latin mass parish, [0:10:58] or if you want to be society of, [0:11:00] what is it? [0:11:01] St. Pius X. [0:11:02] Like there's a couple of others that are mentioned in there. [0:11:05] If you happen to be aligned with one of these factions, [0:11:08] then we can say, well, okay, cool. [0:11:09] Like we can look into you. [0:11:10] and we can conduct an intelligence investigation, [0:11:12] which is not criminal in nature. [0:11:13] It's potentially a threat, [0:11:16] a domestic violent extremist threat. [0:11:18] So what I did is I brought this to the public [0:11:21] and I tried to go to Fox News. [0:11:22] I tried to go to Daily Wire. [0:11:23] I thought there was some like-minded people at Fox [0:11:25] that would make sense. [0:11:26] I had some contacts. [0:11:27] They were not into it. [0:11:28] I brought it to Daily Wire and I said, [0:11:30] you know, you got some Catholic guys there [0:11:31] nominally interested in, you know, [0:11:33] sort of maintaining this, you know, [0:11:36] conservative viewpoint. [0:11:36] And they said, absolutely not. [0:11:39] And the wildest thing I remember from my contact with The Daily Wire at the time was they said, [0:11:43] we can't just deputize you and make you a journalist. [0:11:46] And I actually laughed in... [0:11:48] I can't remember who I was talking to, but I laughed in their face. [0:11:50] I thought that was hilarious. [0:11:52] It's like, there's no... [0:11:53] What are you talking about? [0:11:54] First of all, I was a federal agent, speaking about deputization. [0:11:58] Okay. [0:11:58] And technically speaking, the FBI still thought of me as a federal agent at that time, [0:12:02] even though I was unpaid and I had no clearance or anything and no ability to do the work. [0:12:05] But more importantly, there's no qualifications that says that you now have dispensation to do [0:12:10] journalism in America. The press is whoever does press work, whoever does journalist activity. [0:12:16] So I ended up connecting with Tracy Beans, who I'd met previously. And I brought it up to her. [0:12:21] And I was like, look, they want like a second validation. They want to get an FBI comment on [0:12:26] this document that is never going to happen. And I'm not going to give it to them because I don't [0:12:29] trust them. But I trust Tracy. And she said, I'll edit it. You write the piece. It was a very [0:12:33] a non-emotional expose. [0:12:35] And so I ended up writing this story, [0:12:37] explaining what it was, [0:12:39] what I believed it was saying, [0:12:40] and then we included the document. [0:12:42] And that launched investigations [0:12:43] from The Daily Signal. [0:12:45] And I think Tyler O'Neill [0:12:46] ended up doing a big bit on it. [0:12:48] Jim Jordan's committee [0:12:48] dived into it headfirst. [0:12:50] They'll never mention my name [0:12:51] when they do, [0:12:52] but we brought this to Fox News. [0:12:53] I ended up talking to Tucker Carlson [0:12:55] and various others, [0:12:55] Jesse Waters and so on. [0:12:57] So everybody wanted a piece of it [0:12:58] after Tracy Beans [0:12:59] had the gumption [0:13:01] and the moxie [0:13:02] to just do what needed to be done, [0:13:04] which was publish a piece from a former FBI agent [0:13:08] calling out his own agency and saying, [0:13:10] you can read it in your own words. [0:13:11] You can see the sourcing. [0:13:13] We're going to include it with some redactions, [0:13:14] which were given to me, redacted, [0:13:16] and then it launched into this, you know, [0:13:18] weaponization working group. [0:13:19] And they finally released a study on it about 10 days ago. [0:13:22] And it's actually worse. [0:13:23] It's actually worse than what I originally believed [0:13:25] because there was actually more to it [0:13:26] they found in the background. [0:13:27] Yeah. [0:13:28] Well, so let's get into that. [0:13:29] You know, I remember reading from the House Judiciary Committee, and if you guys want, I'll put these links in the live chat so you guys can take a look at it too. [0:13:40] This is what came out first. [0:13:41] This came out about a year ago. [0:13:42] And I remember reading in this that, yeah, I mean, there are laws about how an investigation can start. [0:13:49] You know, speaking of tripwires, you have to actually, like, commit a crime, at least as far as I'm aware. [0:13:54] You're supposed to have to have committed a crime to begin some sort of investigation like this. [0:14:00] Of course, that hadn't happened. [0:14:02] But from what I understand, the FBI reached out to their London bureau, who then contacted the London Metropolitan Police Terrorism Organization that then conducted surveillance. [0:14:17] If my memory serves, they went to Boston. [0:14:20] I'm not sure that they went to London. [0:14:21] They talked to people in Boston and did surveillance. [0:14:22] There may have been another connection to London. If there is, it's not something I remember reading. [0:14:26] So by all means, refresh my memory. [0:14:27] This is the FBI. [0:14:28] Let me address your previous comment about what... Oh, interesting. [0:14:31] Okay, so the way that cases are opened in the FBI, it's referred to as predication. [0:14:38] And predication is the underlying reason by which... [0:14:44] ...that there has to be a crime. [0:14:47] In the world of the criminal investigation, [0:14:49] which is about 40, 45% of the FBI's work, maybe less, [0:14:53] they have to have the allegation or information [0:14:55] that a federal crime has taken place [0:14:57] and they can investigate the crime in and of itself. [0:14:59] They can investigate individual perpetrators, [0:15:02] things like that. [0:15:03] So they can get into, [0:15:04] and then they have to actually prove, [0:15:06] their goal is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt [0:15:07] and they got to be able to take it [0:15:08] to a United States attorney's office, [0:15:10] who's going to press charges, et cetera, et cetera. [0:15:12] They take it to a grand jury, they get the indictment, [0:15:14] they get the arrest, they go and they put the person in [0:15:16] and then they hold this [0:15:16] and they try to get them to plea out, basically, [0:15:18] is the general goal. [0:15:20] That's part of the FBI's work, [0:15:21] but that's not what this is. [0:15:22] And that might be what confuses people. [0:15:24] Most people don't realize that the FBI's primary work [0:15:28] is done totally differently [0:15:29] in the national intelligence space. [0:15:31] And so this is national security work. [0:15:33] Generally speaking, it falls underneath [0:15:34] either counterterrorism or counterintelligence. [0:15:37] Amusingly, these cases can spawn criminal cases [0:15:41] and criminal investigations and criminal charges, [0:15:44] but that's not what they have to do. [0:15:46] what they're looking for is something that indicates that there is a threat to national [0:15:51] security and a threat is not a crime and there are people that are investigated for for you know [0:15:57] decades literally decades this is a great story that i remember from being on the surveillance [0:16:00] team we had a guy that was under surveillance intermittently and under active investigation [0:16:05] for counterterrorism he was a member of this like radical mosque in northern virginia and they looked [0:16:10] into him for, I want to, it was either 22 or 24 years. It was an open case forever. Wow. And they [0:16:18] eventually got him and they eventually arrested him. And I was, I, you know, I remember driving [0:16:22] by and holding surveillance on the search warrant and it was for child pornography, which may or [0:16:28] may not have been, you know, legit. Right. Like that's, it took, it took, you know, a quarter of [0:16:34] a, of a century for them to find something that was worth going after. So this is the danger of [0:16:39] these types of cases. They can investigate you with lawful purpose. I would argue that it's [0:16:43] probably not that lawful, but they think it's lawful and it falls underneath all the checks [0:16:47] and balances and all the different lawyers sign off on it. So they can look into you for as long [0:16:51] as they like, as long as they have what they call a threat. And so they define the threats and then [0:16:55] they define who is the threats and then they define how they're going to look into the threats [0:16:58] and then they do it. So this is the government finds a problem and then they investigate. [0:17:02] And then they point out that this person is potentially a problem to the government, [0:17:05] which is one of the major things that I've done as a whistleblower is try to highlight to this, [0:17:08] that people think the FBI is this one thing. [0:17:11] And it is not that thing. [0:17:12] It's an intelligence agency. [0:17:14] And so when it's doing intelligence work, [0:17:16] they've already defined who the problems are. [0:17:18] And then they go find reasons [0:17:19] that they can continue to investigate [0:17:21] who they believe are problems. [0:17:22] And this is a perfect example in the nascent phase. [0:17:25] They found out that they could try to draw a parallel [0:17:29] because the underlying case here [0:17:31] was one white supremacy guy, whatever his deal was, [0:17:35] who was looking for somebody [0:17:37] to justify his position, [0:17:39] went to a couple of Catholic churches. [0:17:43] And that's it. [0:17:44] And then they interviewed the priest [0:17:45] and the priest were like, [0:17:46] yeah, he came here, [0:17:47] but he has these bad ideas [0:17:48] and we tried to talk him out of it [0:17:49] and he just stopped coming. [0:17:50] And then they went, [0:17:51] oh, that's fine. [0:17:52] Why don't we surveil the priests? [0:17:54] And that spawned surveillance teams [0:17:57] following priests in Boston, [0:18:00] which is what I'm remembering [0:18:01] from the most recent report. [0:18:02] But I'm happy to read the thing about London [0:18:03] because I hadn't heard that. [0:18:05] But this is where this stuff goes. [0:18:06] they can make it the more little touch points the FBI's analysts and agents can can grab. [0:18:12] Oh, we did an interface. So this now becomes a joint investigation or this becomes some sort of [0:18:16] like international liaison contact or we have a foreign nexus. So they're checking all these [0:18:22] cool guy boxes. And so when they go out and pitch this case, it sounds way cooler than it is when [0:18:26] it's just like, hey, there's some dummy and he's in Richmond and he's like looking for people that [0:18:31] want to join his dummy group and nobody wants him. That's incredible. That's the end of the story. [0:18:37] You know, that's incredible. Yeah. So I've got it here. This is on page 12 of the house, [0:18:44] the house judiciary report. Um, it says here, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. [0:18:51] Uh, let's see. Including FBI's Portland field office, Milwaukee, blah, blah, blah. New documents [0:18:56] produced by the FBI under director Patel's leadership reveal additional outreach from [0:19:01] the FBI's Richmond field office to the Louisville field office and the FBI's London office, where [0:19:06] agents sought a meeting with London's Metropolitan Police Counterterrorism Command to gather further [0:19:13] evidence about SSPX and the priest. This outreach included coordinated surveillance of a priest [0:19:19] who the FBI interviewed as part of the Richmond memorandum. And I was just going to say, you know, [0:19:25] there's that makes sense because what happened was that priest ended up flying back in and he [0:19:29] landed his international flight in Boston. And I was trying to figure out what that story was. [0:19:32] So that makes sense to me. This priest who was priest number one in the investigation, [0:19:36] they had priest one and priest two was surveilled and they actually dumped his phone at customs, [0:19:42] which they're allowed to do when you cross over an international border. If you guys don't know [0:19:46] that I've sat in the room when this does it, but customs and border patrol, the guys in the blue [0:19:50] shirts have all kinds of authorities and they catch good stuff, you know, bad people doing bad [0:19:54] things. We've caught guys that came in that were ISIS affiliated that had videos of people getting [0:19:57] their heads chopped off and stuff like that. And you're like, Oh, man, we should probably know [0:20:00] what's going on there. Or you see people that are taking pictures and photographing weapons that are [0:20:04] going into containers, and you might want to be able to track the container. So they don't... [0:20:08] It's not all bad when they go over that international border. But when you decide [0:20:12] to reach out to the London office to try to check in on a priest who traveled abroad and then came [0:20:17] back, and the only thing is that some dirtbag basically sought out guidance and some sort of [0:20:23] pastoral care, and you decided to go out there and surveil the priest for it, we're living in a [0:20:29] really, really dangerous time. And that's what I've been trying to make people aware of. It's [0:20:32] like, this is a political organization that's going to do political stuff. And this is one [0:20:35] of those things. I also know that the person who wrote this original memo, which was, like I said, [0:20:39] it was an intelligence product, was a Georgetown graduate, and apparently had a beef as a very [0:20:45] liberal person in the Catholic Church, which I think are problematic as a Catholic who aspires [0:20:50] to like sort of a pre-Vatican II mentality. [0:20:52] So this is somebody who was trying to modernize the church [0:20:56] and was deciding to use his federal job [0:20:58] in a law enforcement intelligence agency to do so. [0:21:01] That's just scared the crap out of people. [0:21:02] That's just the exact opposite [0:21:04] of what we think we should be doing. [0:21:05] So that person, by the way, [0:21:06] ended up losing his job under Kash Patel, [0:21:09] but was given a promotion the same year that he did this. [0:21:12] And they basically put a little black mark [0:21:13] in his file saying, [0:21:14] hey, you wrote this thing [0:21:15] and it was kind of outside the guidelines [0:21:16] and you were supposed to do it, [0:21:17] but good job anyway. [0:21:18] And the rest of your work was done really well. [0:21:19] And I know you probably did like some of the most egregious damage for the FBI's brand to Catholics, not just outside of the Bureau, like Americans at large. [0:21:27] But the FBI might be one of the most Catholic heavy organizations I've ever been in. [0:21:31] Yeah. [0:21:32] Which is crazy. [0:21:33] There are tons of Catholics. [0:21:34] I had agents I'd never heard of that didn't know me. [0:21:37] They got my phone number from a friend of a friend. [0:21:39] Call me directly, even though I wasn't in the Bureau anymore. [0:21:41] And they were like, give me the name of that intel analyst. [0:21:44] I'm going to call and scream at them. [0:21:45] Like I went to that church in Richmond when I was at Quantico. [0:21:48] I drove 90 minutes south to get a TLM mass. [0:21:52] You know, I wanted to go to Latin mass [0:21:53] and that's what I'm used to going to. [0:21:54] So I actually made work [0:21:55] while I was going through agent training [0:21:57] to attend that parish. [0:21:58] And I want to give this guy a piece of my mind. [0:22:00] And I was like, [0:22:00] that's not really what I'm trying to do here, [0:22:02] but it's not going to be that hard for you to find it. [0:22:04] And they did everything they could to cover it up. [0:22:06] The entire working group basically gave us 238 pages [0:22:09] of the FBI doing CYA, aggressive CYA. [0:22:14] Yeah. [0:22:15] And to the point where like the senior lawyers [0:22:17] outside of little credit where it's too. [0:22:19] There's a guy named Jason Jones, [0:22:20] who was the FBI's general counsel. [0:22:24] And the people in the office of the general counsel [0:22:26] were all like, [0:22:26] we just want to kind of like shape the narrative here [0:22:28] and make sure we can agree [0:22:29] that this was like generally well-founded, [0:22:32] but like, you know, maybe use the wrong words. [0:22:33] And he was like, no, I don't agree with that. [0:22:35] And they were like, [0:22:35] but it was of a sound, you know, pretense. [0:22:38] And he was like, it was not. [0:22:39] Like, no, no to all that. [0:22:41] And crazily enough, [0:22:42] the guy who was in charge that signed off on this, [0:22:44] that said, hey, you know what? [0:22:45] I'm gonna use this as an opportunity [0:22:46] to go out and reach out to the bishop. [0:22:47] And I'm going to go out there to other parishes. [0:22:49] And I'm going to touch base with a bunch of pastors [0:22:51] and try to like set these tripwires up. [0:22:53] The guy who did that was a guy named Stanley Medor. [0:22:55] And Stanley Medor was celebrated [0:22:58] under Kash Patel's early leadership, [0:23:00] which is how I knew we were screwed [0:23:01] because he apparently didn't listen to anything [0:23:02] I had told him for the last year and a half [0:23:04] while we were trying to help him get into that office. [0:23:07] And Stanley was able to retire. [0:23:09] And if you look at what he does today, [0:23:11] he is the most senior law enforcement official [0:23:14] in the state of Virginia. [0:23:15] he's taken over as the secretary of public safety and homeland security for [0:23:19] the Commonwealth under Abigail Spanberger. [0:23:21] So he went from like top guy in Richmond field office. [0:23:24] Now he's the top law enforcement for the state in Virginia and he's making [0:23:29] another good paycheck and he's got a federal pension. [0:23:32] And that dude, [0:23:33] 100% said all the people who that were involved in this memo, [0:23:36] they didn't deserve what Seraphine did. [0:23:37] He was a coward. [0:23:38] He was a crier and he was whining about an agency because we kicked him out. [0:23:42] And it's like, [0:23:42] F you buddy. [0:23:44] Wow. [0:23:44] You write up your stinking commie butt. [0:23:48] That's terrible. [0:23:49] That's incredible. [0:23:49] Now, I hope the guys over at Integrity Magazine are listening because they wrote an article that just came out a week ago. [0:23:58] Biden FBI memo is a badge of honor for traditionalists defending kingship of Christ. [0:24:03] And they did a subsequent live stream where they they were just out and out hypothesizing this idea that perhaps some liberal Catholic was trying to use the state, trying to use the FBI as an apparatus to tamp down on traditionalism. [0:24:22] And that's that's what happened. [0:24:23] That's exactly happened. [0:24:25] Now, one of the things that's so incredible about this, and I think I have the slides up. [0:24:32] Let me see here. [0:24:34] While you're doing that, let me also just outrage people just a bit longer, which is to say that the people who were involved in this, it was kind of a chain of command. [0:24:43] And they were listed. [0:24:43] And we actually have the notes from them being briefed. [0:24:46] And we have the notes of the all call that came in from executive management. [0:24:50] But essentially, a junior intel analyst wrote this. [0:24:53] he was given a satisfactory ranking for the day for the, you know, [0:24:56] he was consistent is what they do. [0:24:58] The performance was consistent. [0:24:59] And then there's like above that is excellent, whatever. [0:25:01] So he was, you know, fine. [0:25:02] He was okay. [0:25:03] And he got a promotion. [0:25:04] His boss, one of them got a consistent and also got promoted. [0:25:08] Another person got an excellent rating and they got promoted. [0:25:11] And Stanley Medor was ranked excellent as an executive running the field office [0:25:15] for the largest black eye, at least to American Catholics. [0:25:18] But one of the largest black eyes, [0:25:19] the FBI has had in a really, really, really long time. [0:25:22] because it was from inside the bureau pointing out [0:25:25] that they were doing something using poor sourcing. [0:25:28] They were violating the First Amendment, I believe. [0:25:30] And I think that that's why there was so much outrage about it. [0:25:33] And they predicated cases going after, you know, Catholic priests. [0:25:37] With the end of it, you actually find out [0:25:39] that the result of that surveillance [0:25:41] and what they call guardian leads, [0:25:42] guardian leads come in when someone say, [0:25:44] let's say somebody were to go online and type up, [0:25:46] you know, I'm going to do this violent thing to this person. [0:25:48] It would generate a guardian lead [0:25:50] if somebody found it and called it into the 800 number of the FBI. [0:25:53] And that would go out to the field office [0:25:54] and they would do what's called a threat to life [0:25:56] or they would do this terrorism investigation under Guardian. [0:25:59] And Guardian is just a system for sharing information [0:26:01] between the local and the state and the federal government. [0:26:04] Well, it generated Guardian leads [0:26:06] and the Guardian leads generated zero criminal activity [0:26:09] and zero indication that there should be any further investigation. [0:26:13] So they just launched this on vaporware. [0:26:18] because as you said, it was one lib, you know, sort of Jesuit educated guy who came out of DC [0:26:24] who wanted to go out and defend abortion and gay rights. And he decided to start punching the [0:26:30] Catholic church and found that he didn't like the traditionalist air, you know, part of his, [0:26:35] of his little, what we call AOR, the area of responsibility in Richmond. Freaking crazy. [0:26:40] There's no other way to say it. Yeah. That's unbelievable. Now this, this also kind of, [0:26:44] answers some questions, right? Because for those of you, and I know that there are a lot of you [0:26:51] that, you know, watch this program that aren't a radical traditional Catholic or whatever label [0:26:56] they want to give it. But, you know, when you first kind of come into the space, like when I [0:27:01] converted, you know, I found a rosary hanging on a nail by a dumpster and that's what did it for me. [0:27:06] But when I came into the space, it was very disorienting in a way. I mean, there's like all [0:27:12] this, it's like all of a sudden you realize, Hey, wait a minute, there, there's a problem [0:27:15] happening here in the church. And then, you know, you start to find out about, Oh, there's this, [0:27:20] this group over here that they do things the old way, you know, the SSPX and, Oh, there's this other [0:27:25] group called the fraternity and the fraternity of St. Peter. And well, they were together for a [0:27:30] while and then they split and one's canonical and one's irregular. And then there was a split in the [0:27:35] other one. And, you know, it's called the SSPX resistance and, and on and on it goes. And all [0:27:41] of a sudden it's like there's CMRI, SSPV, SSPX, FSSP, SSPXMC. And it's like, dude, you're making [0:27:50] my head spin. And it'll take, you know, a good solid four or five years for someone to really [0:27:55] begin to wrap their head around the landscape when it comes to traditional Catholicism. And what [0:28:02] really kind of stood out to me, and I think also the folks over at Integrity Magazine, [0:28:06] was the quickness that the FBI was able to produce this, you know, in their, and by the way, [0:28:13] this is just awful. Guys, it's called Claude Code. You can make really great slideshows with Claude, [0:28:20] with ChatGPT. This sucks, okay? This sucks. That's the most bureau thing you'll ever see, [0:28:26] by the way. So in this memo, they've got a couple of slides on the SSPX. Then they have [0:28:32] SSPX resistance movement, right? [0:28:36] And they have a lot of intelligence on this. [0:28:39] Right, this guy, this is his own ax to grind. [0:28:42] And you can tell that this is someone [0:28:43] who has a knowledge base, [0:28:45] who's either a Catholic or former Catholic, [0:28:47] that's really trying to explain something [0:28:49] to an audience that otherwise wouldn't understand why. [0:28:51] This is completely irrelevant. [0:28:53] All this stuff right here, [0:28:55] for even just domain awareness [0:28:56] or for having an understanding of what you're looking at, [0:28:58] it's completely unnecessary for an FBI agent [0:29:00] to investigate a federal crime [0:29:01] or to get into ideology. [0:29:03] You know what I've never seen? [0:29:05] I've never seen something like this on radical Islam ever. [0:29:08] And my buddy who spent 11 years [0:29:10] as a national security supervisor at the Bureau [0:29:12] said the same thing. [0:29:13] He's like, you'll never find that on Islam. [0:29:16] There's no official FBI slideshow [0:29:18] showing you what all the radical sort of factions are [0:29:21] and what they all mean. [0:29:22] You got to learn that on the job from somebody else [0:29:23] who works in a real intelligence agency. [0:29:25] So for the FBI to have produced that [0:29:27] and to send that forward, [0:29:29] to try to brief management on, [0:29:30] Here's what the threat looks like. And the threat looks like something that has nothing to do with the FBI's purview. Right. It's wild. Yeah. Anyway, guys, you guys were on to the right instinct because it's way too detailed. Like, honestly, what on earth are they doing? [0:29:43] And there's also the things that were highlighted here on the slide that says, you know, core ideology and beliefs, right? [0:29:52] You know, obviously the traditional Latin mass, conservative family values and roles, meaning gender roles, rejection of modernity. [0:30:03] That's mentioned more than once, rejection of modernity. [0:30:06] And then like obviously it was a problem to this guy. [0:30:08] Yeah. And then here you've got tendency towards isolationism. [0:30:12] So like, oh, what? [0:30:12] We don't want to be involved in more foreign unjust wars? [0:30:16] This is a problem for the FBI? [0:30:18] Really? [0:30:19] And that's the thing. [0:30:20] None of this has anything to do with the purpose of the FBI, [0:30:23] which when I came in, the number one core value of the FBI, [0:30:26] this is actually of relevance for people to understand too, [0:30:29] because I do think this doesn't happen in a vacuum. [0:30:31] When I came into the FBI, [0:30:33] and I came in there with sort of the naively patriotic instinct [0:30:39] of what I was getting involved in, [0:30:40] We'll just call it that. [0:30:41] It's like, I think they're the good guys, [0:30:43] or at least they are able to do good guy stuff. [0:30:46] So we'll go see if that can be done. [0:30:48] And the first week I was there, I was like, [0:30:49] this might not be what I thought it was. [0:30:52] It just wasn't as impressive as I hoped it was. [0:30:54] And the number one core value that was listed, [0:30:58] it's like the thing you find in the lunchroom [0:30:59] on some crappy poster of government printing. [0:31:02] It said, rigid obedience to the Constitution [0:31:05] of the United States. [0:31:07] That was the number one core value. [0:31:09] Okay. [0:31:09] And that's hysterical for people who follow the FBI for any period of time. [0:31:13] But that's the goal. [0:31:15] I mean, core value equals that we don't maybe follow it all the time, but that's what we aspire to. [0:31:18] What's really wild for most people to understand is that sometime between, I want to say it was September 4th and September 7th of 2020, that was changed under Chris Wray. [0:31:30] And you can find it on the internet archives. [0:31:32] There's basically like one day on the fourth, it said that for, you know, the core values were one through 10. [0:31:39] And the top one was rigid obedience to the Constitution of the United States. [0:31:41] And I say it because it's going to change in a second. [0:31:44] And then it moved down to number seven in a three-day period. [0:31:49] And above it were things like respect and diversity and inclusion and other woke crap. [0:31:58] and so they demoted [0:32:00] and it just became rigid obedience [0:32:03] to the constitution [0:32:04] because it was too much to say [0:32:06] constitution of the United States apparently [0:32:08] so you saw this movement [0:32:09] and listen when people tell you who they are [0:32:12] explicitly [0:32:13] and then they show you who they are [0:32:16] through the actions that take place [0:32:17] you could probably believe them [0:32:19] that FBI is still 100% intact [0:32:22] for all the talk of the Kash Patel [0:32:24] we had a 40,000 whatever it is [0:32:26] 36,500, 38,000 people working at the Bureau, [0:32:29] and they removed a few hundred, [0:32:31] you cannot have a sea change [0:32:33] because the entire culture [0:32:35] that built up all the management that was there [0:32:37] that approved this memo and all memos like it [0:32:39] is still intact. [0:32:41] And everybody that said yes to COVID tyranny, [0:32:44] which was everybody who held a job [0:32:46] and was still working by the time Cash Patel got there, [0:32:49] the number of people that actually said no to it, [0:32:51] they could fit in my studio room [0:32:53] and it's 12 by 12 in here. [0:32:54] There's not a lot. [0:32:56] Certainly not in management. [0:32:57] And so that would be a very, very small meeting. [0:33:00] But instead, what he done, he's maintained and tried to work with the team he has, which [0:33:04] is what government does. [0:33:05] But this problem is not solved. [0:33:07] And I don't want anyone to think otherwise. [0:33:09] So this is just like the you could read the the entirety of what the most recent finding [0:33:14] was from the weaponized working group. [0:33:15] Everything about that says is not we're not sorry, but we are sorry we got caught. [0:33:19] Right. [0:33:19] That's what I read. [0:33:20] Right. [0:33:20] As a former FBI agent. [0:33:22] And, you know, it does this whole thing and the timing of it. [0:33:24] Also, it strikes me as very kind of obvious pandering that's going on from the administration. [0:33:33] You know, we've had over the past couple of months a series of, I don't know, black eyes or kind of, you know, a little bit of that going on to the Catholics that helped put Donald Trump into office. [0:33:44] You know, namely what happened with Carrie Prejean Bowler at the Religious Liberty Commission. [0:33:49] She was horribly mistreated. [0:33:51] She was kicked out. [0:33:52] All kinds of names getting called. [0:33:54] And, you know, we're here. [0:33:56] We're heading into the midterms. [0:33:58] Trump has not done 95% of what he promised to do. [0:34:04] You know, no new foreign wars. [0:34:05] End the Russian war on day one. [0:34:07] Fix the economy. [0:34:08] Yeah, I just paid $4.89 for a gallon of gas, dude. [0:34:12] It's $5.49 for the cheapest diesel near me. [0:34:16] And I drive a diesel truck. [0:34:18] And I live in Texas where we have not just like oil production, [0:34:20] but refining capabilities in the state. [0:34:22] And that's what it costs here. [0:34:23] Unbelievable. [0:34:24] So it definitely smacks of like pandering of like, hey, you know, we we effed up, but, you know, we're we're kind of doing things different now. [0:34:33] Catholics come back. We need your votes in the midterms that that's really what it does seem like is happening to me. [0:34:40] And I hope people aren't falling for it. [0:34:42] You know, we've we did have some really interesting stuff happen a couple of years ago. [0:34:48] and I'm going to pat myself on the back, but the Idaho GOP actually voted to abolish the FBI. [0:34:57] I wrote a memo or whatever, a resolution that actually got passed unanimously by the Idaho GOP [0:35:05] calling for the abolition of the FBI. Of course, that hasn't happened. We haven't seen Kash Patel [0:35:11] change anything at the FBI. So, I mean, that was going to be a question that I had for you is what [0:35:15] are your feelings on the FBI now? It sounds like not much has changed. Um, and they've done, [0:35:22] they've done a lot of messaging and unfortunately, like a lot of what the Trump administration does, [0:35:26] they, they try to mistake, they do a lot of this game. One of the games that I like people to be [0:35:32] able to walk away with is know that the, the, the sort of, um, shell game they play is they want you [0:35:38] to conflate nostalgia with patriotism. And I have a big problem with that, but if people think on it [0:35:44] and reflect. You're not feeling patriotic about America as it stands today. Most people are not. [0:35:49] And I say that as someone who served in a civilian capacity and I served in the military and I have [0:35:53] friends who have been, you know, mortally wounded and I have friends that died and I've, you know, [0:35:57] I've seen all the things of that. I've got all the people and all the connections to it. [0:36:01] And the thing that I believe in, the concept of America, I don't know that it's around today. [0:36:06] So this nostalgia for patriotism is a big one. But the other thing that the Trump administration [0:36:09] is really, really guilty of, and it's the opposite of what they teach you when they teach you how to [0:36:14] do sales is they constantly over promise and under deliver, which is another way of saying [0:36:20] that is they actually treat the PR release like the thing that they had actually said [0:36:24] they were going to do. [0:36:25] We said we're going to work on this thing. [0:36:27] So therefore, it's done. [0:36:28] Right. [0:36:28] And we find out all that over. [0:36:29] So your listeners might be surprised to learn. [0:36:31] But Cash Patel announced we're leaving the Hoover building in July of last year. [0:36:36] And he did that in that famous interview sitting with Maria Bartiromo and saying that Epstein [0:36:40] killed himself and all the other nonsense that they were going through. [0:36:43] that basically was the indication of the big turn [0:36:46] from the administration at all. [0:36:48] And I think the FBI, the DOJ led it. [0:36:50] And so he said, we're moving from the Hoover building. [0:36:52] Well, I don't want to blow anybody's minds, [0:36:54] but they're still at the Hoover building. [0:36:55] Every day, they're still working out of the Hoover building. [0:36:57] They were going to move to the Reagan building, [0:36:59] which was the claim they were going to stay within DC [0:37:01] because they were going to save the American taxpayers money. [0:37:04] But the reason that that wasn't an option beforehand [0:37:05] is because Cash Patel apparently didn't notice [0:37:07] that the Reagan building is made of glass [0:37:10] and you can't accurately get a standoff on there [0:37:12] that is in compliance with federal regulations [0:37:14] for a law enforcement agency. [0:37:16] After Oklahoma City, [0:37:17] there are requirements that you have to have [0:37:19] a certain amount of standoff [0:37:20] and a certain amount of physicality to the building [0:37:22] and to retrofit the Reagan building [0:37:24] would cost north of a billion dollars. [0:37:26] Wow. [0:37:26] So they're not going to move there ever. [0:37:28] Yeah. [0:37:29] But they announced the win. [0:37:30] And this is very emblematic [0:37:33] of the way this administration has operated, [0:37:34] as far as they can tell. [0:37:35] It's like, we won the war in Iran. [0:37:37] It's like, are we still bombing them? [0:37:38] Well, yeah. [0:37:38] But like, did you say we won? [0:37:40] Yeah. [0:37:41] Did we win? [0:37:42] Yeah. [0:37:42] What does that mean? We don't really know. We're going to keep bombing them. [0:37:47] Mission accomplished vibes for sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 2003 George Bush mission accomplished [0:37:53] vibes. Yes. Now, I remember there was some and I've got a couple of other follow. I still got [0:37:58] some follow ups on the Catholic thing. But let me pick your brain a little bit about this. I remember [0:38:03] this was back in 2023. There was a big deal, right? It was called Stop Cop City. There's a [0:38:12] whole wikipedia article on this right this was apparently i guess somewhere in atlanta georgia [0:38:17] i think they were trying to build a new building uh for the fbi down there and of course antifa was [0:38:23] freaking out about it they were launching i think you're complaining two things they were building [0:38:27] a large training facility that was for atlanta pd and there may have been a federal task force [0:38:31] associated with it wasn't going to be an fbi building per se okay the but there is a big fbi [0:38:36] presence down in the south that's actually in alabama and it's at redstone arsenal okay so [0:38:41] interestingly enough, there's these two... Yeah, Stop Cop City was kind of on its own [0:38:45] animal. I'm sure the federal government was adding funds to it because this is the reason why your [0:38:49] local PDs will operate and play with the feds so nicely. It's because there's massive grants, [0:38:54] as long as you play nice, as long as you participate in the task force. [0:38:57] I want to actually touch on something you said earlier, because it's very important. When you [0:39:01] said the abolish the FBI idea, that sounds really radical to people that go like, [0:39:05] whoa, who would investigate the federal crimes? And it's like, well, take a minute for a second [0:39:10] here. Who do you think investigates most of the crime in this country? And if you say the FBI, [0:39:15] you're out of your damn minds because there's only 14,000 total sworn officers and about a [0:39:20] third of them are in management. So of the people that are actually doing the investigation, you're [0:39:23] down to about 8,000 or 9,000. And of those 8,000 or 9,000, a handful of them are doing jobs like [0:39:28] I used to do, full-time surveillance, full-time tactical stuff, full-time training for firearms, [0:39:32] full-time bomb tech, whatever. So there are people doing non-investigative jobs. You've probably only [0:39:38] got about 6,000 of the 14,000 agents that actually do investigations on any given day. [0:39:43] And if you think 6,000 investigators is enough to investigate natural crime, you're out of your [0:39:46] mind. So you need a force multiplier. And they have it. It's federal money plus local participation. [0:39:53] That's called a task force. And so they have all these different names for them. Safe Street Task [0:39:57] Force does like, you know, drugs and gangs. They've got HIDA Task Force, the high intensity drug [0:40:01] traffic area that's DEA and FBI and, you know, state and local and so on and so forth. So they [0:40:07] have all these different little things that they play ball with. The Joint Terrorism Task Force, [0:40:11] where they get people to be able to read it on a clearance, and then they're able to do the same [0:40:14] sort of Catholic investigations, but you're like a state trooper or something. So they play this [0:40:19] game. The funny thing is, we already have the framework for abolishing the FBI because of those [0:40:24] task forces. We already have a way to understand what that would look like. And what it would look [0:40:30] like is, you no longer have the 1811, which is the job code of an FBI agent. That would be same [0:40:35] thing for DEA, the same team for, you know, ATF, etc. And what you'd be able to do is say, okay, [0:40:40] fine. We have a state peace officer who's federally deputized to be able to enforce crimes under Title [0:40:46] 18 and Title 21. So your traditional federal crimes, white collar and all the big stuff. [0:40:50] And then you also have your, you know, your guns and drugs, whatever. So you can go do that. 21's [0:40:54] all drugs if memory serves. And so you would just let them continue to do that. And then you would [0:41:00] bring that to your DOJ affiliate, which is going to be your United States attorney. We still keep [0:41:04] that mechanism in place. And the upside is for people who actually want law and order, [0:41:09] you've got someone who's already had to prove that they were capable, competent, worked well [0:41:12] within a system, that they already know all of the constitutional law that comes along with being a [0:41:16] cop. And when you can and can't pull somebody over, plus they've got the authority to pull [0:41:20] people over, which I couldn't do as an FBI agent. They have the authority to actually enforce [0:41:24] state crimes. Imagine the power, which is why these task forces are impressive. [0:41:29] They can say, okay, we've witnessed this thing and we believe it's a federal crime. We're going [0:41:32] to take it to the United States Attorney's Office. [0:41:34] AUSA says, yeah, we're going to go ahead and prosecute. [0:41:36] Or maybe they declined. [0:41:37] They say, no, not for us. [0:41:38] It doesn't meet our threshold. [0:41:40] Well, they can still turn around and bring it to the DA [0:41:41] in their local jurisdiction. [0:41:43] So now you've got a two-pronged threat against crime. [0:41:47] And it's one officer who's doing federal status [0:41:50] and also is probably, you know, [0:41:52] happy to take on the paycheck. [0:41:54] It would mean that you would remove the burden [0:41:55] of that payroll from the state or the county [0:41:57] or the local police department. [0:41:59] The feds will pay it. [0:42:00] We already do. [0:42:01] Yeah. [0:42:02] I'm not crazy about taxes and all the money that it's going to involve, but the money's there at the moment. And so you can actually do the thing without having the FBI. You have to ask the question, what's the purpose of the FBI today? Why do we need it? And people should answer the original question. Why does the FBI, why did it come into existence? Why was there a Bureau of Investigation in 1908? Why did it become the FBI in 1935? [0:42:23] Yeah. [0:42:23] Do you know the answer? [0:42:24] I don't. [0:42:26] It's interstate crime. [0:42:27] That was it. [0:42:29] Somebody had to be able to be able to hold on to the warrants [0:42:31] for a national level problem. [0:42:33] If somebody were to make a run from my county [0:42:36] to the next county over all the way down to Orange County in Texas [0:42:39] and cross the state line into Louisiana, [0:42:41] let's say they were, I don't know, Bonnie and Clyde, [0:42:43] which is where this was all kind of the big deal. [0:42:46] People were serial bank robbing and running from county to county. [0:42:49] They would outrun jurisdictions. [0:42:50] They would outrun the radio range. [0:42:52] And then they would end up in another state. [0:42:54] So they would do loops from state to state and county to county, and they would just evade all the locals. [0:42:59] And the locals didn't have any way to share information. [0:43:01] But we've already handled all that business. [0:43:03] We have a national clearinghouse for arrest warrants. [0:43:06] We have the ability. [0:43:07] The FBI actually does it through NCIC. [0:43:09] So they handle all this stuff. [0:43:11] That's actually a functional part of the FBI. [0:43:12] You could keep the sort of administrative handling paperwork. [0:43:15] But they've already got mutual aid between every state. [0:43:18] Every single state. [0:43:19] Idaho definitely has them with Washington. [0:43:21] It's going to have them, you know, with Montana. [0:43:23] where maybe it's 25, [0:43:25] maybe it's 50 miles at the border [0:43:26] where your local peace officers [0:43:28] in whatever county [0:43:29] are going to be able to cross over [0:43:30] and pursue somebody. [0:43:31] They have pursuit rules [0:43:32] and they've got radios and comms [0:43:34] to be able to hand off. [0:43:36] So all the things that we created the FBI to do [0:43:38] almost 100 years ago, [0:43:41] they claim it's a lot longer, by the way. [0:43:42] They claim their birthday is 1908, [0:43:43] even though it's 1935. [0:43:45] If a girl lies to you about her birthday, [0:43:47] what are the things she, [0:43:48] lies about her weight? [0:43:49] What are the things will she lie about? [0:43:50] The FBI is like that. [0:43:51] You're like, [0:43:51] Why are you lying about your birthday? [0:43:54] It doesn't seem like you need to be doing that. [0:43:55] So anyway, the quick answer is, [0:43:57] you're not wrong in your movement. [0:44:00] And the Idaho GOP may be an outlier, [0:44:03] but what should be happening [0:44:05] is people from the federal government [0:44:07] should justify the need for that thing. [0:44:09] Sure. [0:44:10] And they never do. [0:44:11] They never do because they can't. [0:44:12] I was going to say, for sure in Idaho, [0:44:14] I mean, we have within living memory, [0:44:17] these incidents that have happened, [0:44:18] Ruby Ridge, [0:44:19] You know, people are still alive that were there that day. [0:44:23] You know, I met I met Randy Weaver's babysitter. [0:44:28] She's like a waitress at like this tiny little mom and pop, like a it's like a dive bar or whatever. [0:44:35] They make pretty good grilled cheese sandwiches up there. [0:44:37] But anyway, so there are still people that have this like living memory of how the people have been abused by the FBI, ATF and all of these different things. [0:44:47] And yeah, I mean, the other element of this too is that by keeping that law enforcement at that local level with ideally police officers that are from the area that have lived there for a decent while, they actually understand the local landscape. [0:45:06] They understand where the people are coming from and how to interface with them in a way that somebody that, you know, was, you know, born in New York and went to Georgetown and then they get flown into North Idaho. [0:45:18] They're like living among aliens, you know, they don't really know. [0:45:22] The only the only upside you have is that the people that want to be that want to be FBI agents in the area that you live in, the people that want to be working out of the Spokane office, they want to work out of Kalispell or they want to work out of Billings. [0:45:34] they tend to be self-selecting the guys who worked out of lewiston they chose to be there on purpose [0:45:38] because they wanted to be there it's not like you accidentally end up in those places those are [0:45:42] actually pretty coveted so that's the only upside and that's unique by the way that's unique to [0:45:47] idaho and and it's unique to i would say uh montana and utah and wyoming it's really a [0:45:54] self-selecting group of people like the kind of guys that think like me that probably have a gun [0:45:58] wall like i do are the ones that are trying to get out there because we're of that like we're [0:46:03] trying to be out there amongst our tribe and we want to have the freedom where we're as far away [0:46:07] from DC as possible and nobody's going to tell us how to be a regular person. So that's the only [0:46:11] upside you have there. But yes, agreed. If you were to expand that out to the rest of the country, [0:46:16] you have people without local knowledge, without local customs, we don't have any kind of like [0:46:19] connection to the land there. They actually will not let you go back and do service from the place [0:46:24] you were recruited. So I was recruited out of Connecticut. Interesting. Which was an accident, [0:46:29] by the way. I had no connection to Connecticut at all. I was actually going to move up to Vermont [0:46:32] Vermont, my wife and I were going to open a bed and breakfast. And then the FBI said, [0:46:36] hey, by the way, we've processed your application. It was like, what? Oh, that's weird. And I was [0:46:40] like, okay, I guess I'll go down to New Haven. I'll go work out of the New Haven to do the [0:46:43] recruitment piece. And I ended up doing my interview in New York City. But if somebody [0:46:46] were to say, if they got recruited out of New York City, the FBI's policy is that you can't [0:46:51] go back and work in New York City, which seems completely backwards and asinine. [0:46:54] And as you said, there's so many advantages to having a home field advantage of knowing. [0:46:58] I think the mentality from the 1930s was they didn't want local corruption getting into a place. [0:47:04] Yes. [0:47:04] And so they didn't want to deep seed federal corrupt. [0:47:06] Because one of the FBI's missions is actually going after what's called public corruption. [0:47:10] So they go after law enforcement that is corrupt. [0:47:12] Theoretically, your state senators could be corrupt and they would investigate that. [0:47:15] And maybe nobody else has the authority. [0:47:17] But you mentioned a really critical part, which is accountability. [0:47:20] And the accountability that does not exist at the federal level, but would exist if you had only task force guys, [0:47:25] is that you get to vote for an attorney general in your state. [0:47:28] And if you don't like the way that law enforcement [0:47:30] is being done in your state, [0:47:32] you theoretically have an ability to change that. [0:47:34] If you don't like the way that your county [0:47:36] is handling a sheriff, [0:47:38] then you can vote out a sheriff [0:47:39] and you get a new sheriff [0:47:40] and he's going to maybe clean house of the deputies. [0:47:42] If you don't like the way that your police chief [0:47:44] is doing business, [0:47:45] then you theoretically could get a new mayor [0:47:47] and the mayor can be putting pressure on [0:47:49] and change the police chief. [0:47:50] So having the ability for local accountability [0:47:52] for the way that federal laws are enforced in your area, [0:47:55] that's the closest thing to local control [0:47:57] you would ever have. [0:47:58] And it also satisfies [0:47:59] best of both worlds, [0:48:00] I think. [0:48:01] And so anyway, [0:48:02] your idea will be [0:48:04] thrown out as a fringe thing [0:48:05] if you talk to people [0:48:06] who are expert [0:48:06] in federal law enforcement. [0:48:08] But I found that [0:48:09] most of those are not very, [0:48:10] they're not exactly [0:48:11] thinkers. [0:48:14] They're not critical thinkers. [0:48:15] Right. [0:48:15] They're institutionalists. [0:48:17] You know what I mean? [0:48:17] Yeah. [0:48:18] Oh, no, absolutely. [0:48:18] So nobody, [0:48:19] and so there are people [0:48:20] who think government [0:48:21] is the solution [0:48:22] end up saying [0:48:24] government is the answer too. [0:48:25] You know, it's like, [0:48:26] well, I came from government, [0:48:27] So government must be the answer [0:48:28] because I was in government [0:48:29] and I thought I was good. [0:48:30] You get the same mentality. [0:48:31] It's like, [0:48:31] do you have any experience anywhere else? [0:48:33] I'll add one last little evidence to that [0:48:35] and I'll let you talk again. [0:48:36] But one of the things that blew my mind [0:48:38] about being at the FBI Academy [0:48:39] is that I'd been in private industry. [0:48:41] So by the time I got hired on there, [0:48:42] I'd done four years in the military. [0:48:44] I had done several years of sale [0:48:46] for Dell Incorporated selling computers. [0:48:48] I'd sold business to business [0:48:50] for an ergonomic office manufacturer [0:48:52] who made like really high-end chairs. [0:48:53] In fact, I'm sitting in one of their chairs now [0:48:55] from the same company that I used to work for 25 years ago. [0:48:58] Now I ride their chair every day. [0:48:59] I worked for a radio station. [0:49:01] I had run restaurants. [0:49:03] I'd obviously, as a kid, I'd done manual labor [0:49:05] and I'd worked in all kinds of other stuff. [0:49:07] I'd done a bunch of actual work, [0:49:10] waiting tables, service industry, stuff like that. [0:49:12] And when I get to the FBI, [0:49:14] the people are like, [0:49:14] man, this is the best job in the world. [0:49:16] Oh, I was a finance guy for Warner Brothers for a little while. [0:49:19] And so I'm like, this is the best job in the world. [0:49:21] And I remember going like, [0:49:23] Oh, like I'm, whether I'm well-trained from being in the FBI or not, I'm an investigator at heart because I ask questions. I go, well, what other jobs have you had? [0:49:32] Right. [0:49:33] And the answer was like, well, I was an intelligence analyst for the FBI. It's like, well, I get that it's the best job in the FBI, but how could you say it's the best job in the world when you've only had one other job and it's been in the same government agency? [0:49:44] And that's almost the majority of people [0:49:47] that work inside the federal government in general. [0:49:49] It's like, I got a federal job [0:49:50] and then I did federal jobs and I did federal jobs [0:49:52] and I've never worked for anybody else. [0:49:54] I've never seen what people [0:49:55] who are actually earning a living [0:49:57] that fund the federal government do. [0:49:59] So of course they have no sense about it. [0:50:01] I mean, they're just, you know, [0:50:03] it's just, it's absurd that that's the mentality, [0:50:05] but it does lead to that very insular thinking, [0:50:07] the very kind of, I don't know. [0:50:09] No, no, I totally hear you. [0:50:11] Totally hear you. [0:50:12] Now, one of the other things, [0:50:14] that we've been tracking, I've been tracking for the past few years has been these different, [0:50:18] I guess you call them public-private partnerships. And specifically between the DOJ, the FBI, [0:50:25] and groups like the Anti-Defamation League. So here, this is a tweet from 2022. There was this [0:50:31] big initiative that was launched. We had this guy up here, Josh Hurwitt, who was our U.S. attorney [0:50:37] for a little while. He's gone now. But I think they brought him, actually, I think they brought [0:50:42] I'm back for a drug task force in Shoshone County. [0:50:45] And that we'd have to do a whole nother episode because Shoshone County, oh my God, the sheriff [0:50:50] up there, Holly Lindsay, got drunk and drunk drove her cruiser and then hit her own car [0:50:55] like and then covered it up. [0:50:57] I mean, it's a mess. [0:50:58] People were dying in the jails up there. [0:51:00] The FBI was investigating that for a while, but we never heard anything. [0:51:04] But anyway, back to the topic at hand, which is these public-private partnerships. [0:51:08] Now, I do believe that Kash Patel kind of ended the SPLC collaboration. Not sure about the ADL. Just kind of curious about your thoughts on this, because it seems like this nexus between the Southern Poverty Law Center, the ADL, the FBI, the DOJ, that's where a lot of this stuff has been brewed up all the way back to things like the order investigation. [0:51:33] You've got Oklahoma City, Ruby Ridge, Waco. [0:51:36] It's constantly this nexus between the ADL, the SPLC, and the DOJ. [0:51:42] So just curious about your thoughts on that whole thing and where we are with it now. [0:51:48] I'm sure you're more well read up on whether or not we've actually ended those programs or not. [0:51:54] My understanding is there's sort of an instinct to end them, but a lot of these habits die hard. [0:51:59] So again, if you haven't replaced all the people that have a sense... By the time this guy from Georgetown wrote the document in Richmond, the FBI had officially severed ties with the SPLC as being sort of too politically active and not enough on just the facts. [0:52:13] So their version of whatever's on hate watch was just their personal vendettas and it had nothing to do with any sort of objective standards. [0:52:20] But that doesn't mean that people weren't still used to approving documents that said SPLC on it, right? [0:52:25] So it may not be part of the current tradecraft or analytical, you know, acceptable sourcing, [0:52:30] but that doesn't mean that it doesn't go through. [0:52:32] And I know that because I exposed a document that shows that it did well after. [0:52:35] I think they'd already cut ties years and years before. [0:52:38] So the problem with this is that these people are in very conflicting, they have conflicting [0:52:44] priorities, instincts, motivations is probably accurate as well. [0:52:51] they're donor driven, [0:52:54] which means they need to show some results, [0:52:56] which means it's very beneficial for them [0:52:57] to have a lever at a government agency [0:53:00] that they can push on them and then get action. [0:53:03] It's like, we're all about [0:53:04] whether or not there's anti-Semitic words. [0:53:06] It's like, well, this is America. [0:53:07] You can say anti-Semitic words. [0:53:09] You can be, just to be completely, [0:53:13] this is the way I would say it, [0:53:13] you're allowed to be an asshole in America. [0:53:16] You're allowed to be. [0:53:17] Like it's constitutionally protected, [0:53:19] the position of being able to say things [0:53:21] that other people don't like. [0:53:22] In fact, that's the reason [0:53:23] why the First Amendment exists, [0:53:24] that you should be able to say [0:53:25] offensive speech [0:53:26] is the most important one [0:53:27] to be protected. [0:53:28] It turns out that's how [0:53:29] the country was founded. [0:53:30] It's like, [0:53:30] we think the king's a problem [0:53:32] and people are like, [0:53:33] no, that's not, [0:53:34] you shouldn't be saying that. [0:53:35] We want to be able to say that. [0:53:36] We want to be able to say, [0:53:37] the emperor has no clothes [0:53:38] and he's an a-hole [0:53:39] and he's got a tiny weenus. [0:53:40] We want to be able to say stuff like that [0:53:41] because this is America. [0:53:43] That's theoretically what this means. [0:53:44] Those are the protected things. [0:53:45] If it was just like, [0:53:46] hey, like what kind of yoga routines [0:53:47] are you into? [0:53:48] Or like, [0:53:48] what's your favorite strength training mix-up? [0:53:50] It's like, that's not why we have the First Amendment. [0:53:53] That's not what it is about. [0:53:54] You know what I mean? [0:53:55] Yeah. [0:53:55] And so it's about satire, [0:53:57] and it's about comedy, [0:53:58] and it's about dark humor, [0:53:59] and it's about things that are truly offensive [0:54:01] and really detestable stuff [0:54:03] is meant to be protected. [0:54:05] So when you start putting these organizations [0:54:08] that have a vested interest [0:54:09] in seeing their adversaries destroyed, [0:54:12] and they need to show action [0:54:14] so they can get donor money, [0:54:17] you're now really weaponizing government [0:54:19] because the government's now looking for an outcome [0:54:21] and they're scratching each other's backs. [0:54:23] Here's the other problem. [0:54:24] It actually benefits the FBI to do those things [0:54:26] because when policymakers come in [0:54:29] and determine what is and what is not the FBI's purview, [0:54:33] well, they're going to say, [0:54:34] well, we're going to give you money [0:54:34] towards these particular types of things. [0:54:37] So if I tell you that investigating, [0:54:39] I don't know, FASAC violations [0:54:40] and going after people who protest abortion clinics [0:54:42] is where there's money. [0:54:44] And if you have cases on that, [0:54:45] then there's money there. [0:54:46] And then the, let's call it the SPLC comes in and says, well, these people are hateful and they're trying to stop black ladies from killing their babies. So they're racist. And now you can generate all these different little pieces that are checking boxes. Again, this all goes down to like the most bureaucratic thing in the world and the oldest motivation, which is greed. [0:55:03] the FBI senior executive [0:55:05] in every single field office [0:55:06] gets paid [0:55:07] a five-figure bonus [0:55:09] $30,000, $40,000, $50,000 per year [0:55:12] on a $200,000 and change dollar salary. [0:55:14] So a significant chunk of their salary [0:55:16] is a bonus structure. [0:55:17] And what they have to do [0:55:18] is hit metrics [0:55:19] in the same way a traffic cop [0:55:21] has to write enough, [0:55:22] you know, tickets [0:55:22] to be able to get his quota met. [0:55:24] They're incentivized [0:55:25] to have X number of terrorism cases [0:55:28] and X number of specific, [0:55:30] you know, sources [0:55:31] infiltrated into these groups [0:55:33] and taking down radical jihadists [0:55:35] is one way to do it, [0:55:36] but going after white supremacists [0:55:37] or anti-Semitic people [0:55:38] or whatever it is [0:55:39] that they've decided their targets are. [0:55:41] So when you've got someone [0:55:42] that's doing the grunt work for you [0:55:43] at the ADL or the SPLC, [0:55:46] and what we found out [0:55:47] in the most recent case, [0:55:47] which is actually out of, [0:55:48] I think it's out of Auburn [0:55:50] or it's out of maybe Atlanta. [0:55:52] They're doing a case [0:55:53] against the SPLC right now [0:55:55] where they found the SPLC [0:55:56] was taking money [0:55:57] and they were paying people [0:56:00] who were neo-Nazis. [0:56:01] Yes. [0:56:01] so that the neo-Nazis [0:56:03] could have a big enough presence [0:56:05] so that they could resist them. [0:56:06] So they were funding [0:56:07] a puppet organization [0:56:08] so that they could have [0:56:09] enough saying like, [0:56:11] hey, look how scary these guys are. [0:56:12] They were literally funding [0:56:13] their own opposition. [0:56:14] So the definition [0:56:15] of controlled opposition [0:56:16] because it was being controlled [0:56:17] financially by people [0:56:18] out of the SPLC. [0:56:19] Yes. [0:56:19] And that's the potential [0:56:20] that this is actually a wire, [0:56:22] you know, the wire fraud crime [0:56:23] because you're taking money [0:56:24] from donors [0:56:24] and there's rules about that [0:56:25] and then you're sending it [0:56:26] and there's false purposes [0:56:27] and they're setting up [0:56:28] these shell corporations. [0:56:30] They're acting the way [0:56:31] the FBI does. [0:56:31] And it turns out if the government does it, they're allowed. [0:56:34] And if you're a private organization like the SPLC and you're trying to do like pseudo-governmental work, you know, this is not Vietnam. [0:56:39] There are rules here, dude. [0:56:42] So you can't just do that. [0:56:43] You just can't go out there and act like the government does, even if it makes sense and the government would otherwise do it. [0:56:49] And so, yeah, I'm very wary of those. [0:56:50] The other public-private partnership that makes me concerned is a thing called InfraGard. [0:56:54] And so some people are aware of it. [0:56:55] But InfraGard is another program where the FBI basically goes in and makes buddies with [0:57:00] technology companies and chemical manufacturers and staple anchor industries. [0:57:06] And when you find out what InfraGard does, it does two things really well. [0:57:09] Thing number one, InfraGard is a great way for FBI agents to find their retirement gig, [0:57:15] which means you're going to seed those senior roles in security and their attorneys and [0:57:20] a lot of their information protection stuff with FBI people who, by the way, are super [0:57:24] favorable to the government. [0:57:25] So that's not a great thing. [0:57:27] I would call that the information industrial complex [0:57:29] since we do complexes a lot. [0:57:31] And we saw this in the Twitter files and some of this. [0:57:33] So InfraGard is one way to do it. [0:57:34] The other thing is, [0:57:35] is those people are more likely to comply [0:57:37] with federal requests that are not actual legal process. [0:57:41] So they're willing to give you something [0:57:42] without having a subpoena. [0:57:43] They're willing to give you customer records and so on. [0:57:45] And that's why they do this. [0:57:46] So they're building up like a bunch of familiars. [0:57:49] It's like a vampire terminology. [0:57:51] But they've got all these familiars [0:57:52] that are willing to do work for them [0:57:53] without having to do the heavy lift of going and getting a judge to evaluate whether or not [0:57:57] there's probable cause to believe that something happened and you should have access to it. [0:58:01] So that's another public-private property where, you know, this is the equivalent of what, [0:58:05] this is what actual fascism is, by the way. It's when the government leans on a private [0:58:09] corporation and says, we have these things and you don't have to do them, but it'd be beneficial [0:58:13] financially. And by the way, we'd be smiling. Here's a carrot. Here's the stick. Wouldn't you [0:58:17] like to be on our carrot side? It's way more fun on the carrot side. And then you do. So I, [0:58:22] it doesn't matter whether it's an ideologically based thing or whether it's simply based on [0:58:26] technology and access to information. All of these things should make Americans have pause. [0:58:29] If you're liberty minded, it should scare the crap out of you because this is, it's not supposed [0:58:33] to be easy to do the work of policing. It's not supposed to be easy to do the work of investigating. [0:58:38] In fact, it's actually supposed to be hard because your privacy should be the thing that comes first. [0:58:42] Yeah. Theoretically, you know, like whatever. If you believe in rigid obedience to the [0:58:46] Constitution of the United States, like if you happen to be someone like that, but if you don't, [0:58:49] then just do whatever you want. Just do respect and do tolerance and diversity. Yeah, man. It's, [0:58:55] it's really incredible. And so, yeah, one of the things that I wanted to tie in with that is, [0:58:58] you know, as you're seeing these different, like we saw here in Idaho, it was two or three years [0:59:02] that they did this tour around the state with all these people and FBI agents and DOJ and local [0:59:07] police and white supremacy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, when you go back and you [0:59:12] look, uh, you know, and, and we've been, it's funny. I've been like, I've systematically like [0:59:17] went to work for a lot of these people and now we're bringing them on the podcast. But back in, [0:59:21] was this 2006 or seven, the Southern Poverty Law Center put out in their intelligence report, [0:59:27] this famous report called the Dirty Dozen. This was targeting the SSPX. It was targeting the [0:59:33] Remnant Magazine, Catholic Family News, who I worked for, the Fatima Center, who I worked for, [0:59:39] who else was in here? The Catholic, I didn't, I don't know about them. But, you know, E. Michael [0:59:45] Jones, another one that I worked for. There he is. And so it's just absolutely incredible. So [0:59:51] at the same time that the Phantom, and by the way, this guy we're going to have on very soon, [0:59:57] John Sharp. He's the publisher of IHS Press. We're going to get him out of retirement. [1:00:02] But at the same time, the SPLC was doing these reports, the Dirty Dozen, [1:00:07] the Anti-Defamation League had put out this article, Latin Mass Cause for Concern, [1:00:12] back when Abraham Foxman was the CEO of the ADL. [1:00:17] Of course, now we've got this goofy water salesman, Jonathan Greenblatt. [1:00:21] But it's so striking to me that these different groups that have an obvious vested interest, [1:00:28] they're obviously a part of some sort of foreign influence operation [1:00:33] and how they're able to just come in and kind of co-opt our justice system to do their bidding. [1:00:40] It's really, really incredible. [1:00:43] You know, I do think it's interesting [1:00:45] that all of the factions and all the splinters [1:00:48] and all the timeline questions that were coming up [1:00:50] and you were kind of giving a quick rundown [1:00:52] of all these different groups. [1:00:53] It's really hard to keep track of them. [1:00:54] And I'm a lifelong Catholic, [1:00:56] born and raised in the Catholic church. [1:00:58] And most of the stuff was completely foreign to me [1:01:00] because I grew up in like a very vanilla, [1:01:02] suburban sort of environment. [1:01:03] And my parents were not particularly interested [1:01:05] in church politics. [1:01:06] We just went to mass and went to Catholic schools [1:01:08] and that was it. [1:01:09] And then I went to some Jesuit schools that were actually back when Jesuits were teaching [1:01:13] pretty rigorous thought processes. [1:01:14] And I went like, oh, okay. [1:01:15] Then again, half my brothers came out of that as atheists. [1:01:17] So go figure. [1:01:19] But long and short of it is, you just don't necessarily know all that stuff. [1:01:22] But it's interesting that splintering all took place after Vatican II. [1:01:25] And so if you're a Catholic, you look back and you listen to guys like Mel Gibson talk [1:01:28] about it. [1:01:29] And it's before my lifetime. [1:01:30] It's before your lifetime. [1:01:32] We can look back there and go, man, something really wild happened. [1:01:36] And it seemed like some things infiltrated in that are not what most people would consider to be Catholic. There's 1900 plus years of one thing. And now we have this different thing. And for me, there's a Latin mass that's held in the cathedral here in Austin, Texas, which is a super lit place. [1:01:55] you can go in there [1:01:56] and [1:01:58] they have nothing [1:01:59] but [1:01:59] it's just [1:02:00] daylight [1:02:01] that lights it up [1:02:02] they don't have any electric lighting [1:02:03] in the mass [1:02:03] and it's not necessary [1:02:04] at least the ones that I've gone to [1:02:05] in the morning [1:02:06] and it feels like you're walking back [1:02:08] and you're standing in a church [1:02:09] from a couple hundred years ago [1:02:10] and it feels like [1:02:12] it puts you in touch [1:02:12] with something that's existed [1:02:13] for [1:02:14] 2,000 years [1:02:15] and then you go into the modern area [1:02:17] and it's like in an auditorium [1:02:19] or it's in a place [1:02:20] with linoleum floors [1:02:21] and nobody has spent all the time [1:02:22] to hand carve out the benches [1:02:24] and you just go like [1:02:24] it's kind of, it's like, you know, [1:02:26] you could also be going to a Denny's [1:02:27] that has the same sort of character in the building. [1:02:30] There's something pretty powerful [1:02:32] about connecting with the divine [1:02:34] in the way that people had for, you know, [1:02:35] the same mass that the men who stormed the beaches [1:02:39] at Normandy went through. [1:02:40] And the same mass that the crusaders had [1:02:43] that you can go and have today. [1:02:46] And there's a power in that, I think. [1:02:47] And what I also believe is that there's a, [1:02:49] you know, there's a reason why [1:02:52] when you look at even Hollywood, [1:02:53] which I think is a godless place. [1:02:55] And having worked in Warner Brothers [1:02:56] and seen sort of the nicest version of it, [1:03:00] because I worked in the professional offices. [1:03:01] People are super nice there. [1:03:02] And they're not bad people. [1:03:04] But there's a godless nature to what goes on in Hollywood. [1:03:08] And if you notice the thing that they always recognize [1:03:10] that the demonic is terrified of, [1:03:12] it's traditional Latin-based Catholicism. [1:03:17] Yeah. [1:03:17] And it causes the devil and it causes demons to run. [1:03:20] And so they love, like, they're fascinated by this. [1:03:21] They're fascinated by it in the same way that people who are scared of something have to show it. [1:03:26] You know? [1:03:27] They're like, this thing has power. [1:03:29] And they know it. [1:03:30] Oh, yeah. [1:03:30] And even when they're blasphemous about it, they make a movie like Constantine or some BS thing with, you know, like a, you know, John Wick playing the demon hunter or whatever it is. [1:03:38] You watch that and you still go, you're like, man, they know where the power is, even if they're trying to bastardize it. [1:03:43] Yeah. [1:03:43] And so for me, it's very interesting that the SPLC targeted it. [1:03:47] It was on their hate watch. [1:03:49] The Atlantic Magazine said something about [1:03:50] there's a problem with ARs and rosaries. [1:03:53] And of course, that made a bunch of people go like, [1:03:54] yeah, there's going to be a rosary on the back of my AR now. [1:03:56] That's what's going to happen. [1:03:57] And I have the Warriors prayer book [1:04:00] that a friend of mine who's a Catholic gave me [1:04:02] that was an FBI agent. [1:04:03] And there's plenty of good ones out there. [1:04:06] But it's very interesting that that's where that battleground is. [1:04:08] And so I don't think it's a political fight. [1:04:10] And I don't even know that it's a multi... [1:04:11] I don't even know that it's a multinational fight. [1:04:13] I do think it's just deeply spiritual. [1:04:15] Yeah. [1:04:15] And you can see people, the enemy will always tell you what threatens the enemy. [1:04:23] That's been my experience in life. [1:04:25] What is targeted is the problem. [1:04:28] Yeah. [1:04:28] For not you, but for them. [1:04:29] And you may not even know that's your weapon. [1:04:31] So anyway, one of the criteria that my wife and I look for a new place to live is we're [1:04:37] trying to leave Texas. [1:04:38] We're overrun by Indians here. [1:04:39] Oh boy. [1:04:40] And I'm surrounded by, you know, Hindus and Teslas [1:04:43] and people that don't know how to handle basic hygiene [1:04:46] or how to drive, which is debilitating. [1:04:48] I mean, it's just like, I drive a huge diesel F-250 [1:04:51] that's lifted up. [1:04:52] And like every day I resist the urge to drive over the top [1:04:55] and pancake a Tesla. [1:04:56] Just because I'm thinking, [1:04:57] I'm like, I don't know why you're stopping. [1:04:59] That's not a stop sign. [1:05:00] I don't know why you're driving through that stop sign. [1:05:02] Maybe I should just run over the back end of your vehicle [1:05:04] and just put you closer to the ground. [1:05:06] Maybe I should give you like a ground break. [1:05:08] and I had that thought I'm like I just need to get out of here and take my baby somewhere where [1:05:12] we can find and and a TLM mass is like high on the list of things we want to find no so next time [1:05:17] you fly up we've got a bunch you know and I was actually going to promote this uh on the show a [1:05:21] little bit after you after you left but uh we have this Michaelmas festival that's coming up uh on [1:05:26] the 19th of September so it's like you know about Christmas this is Michaelmas it's during the feast [1:05:31] of Saint Michael and everybody's going to get together we're gonna have little booths of like [1:05:35] European heritage, the German booth will have beer. The English booth will have some sort of [1:05:40] unseasoned food. Uh, it'll be very good. Uh, lots of things for the kids, the worst food in all of [1:05:47] Europe is English food. It's just so bad. And I was gonna, I was gonna mention, you said something [1:05:52] about, uh, you know, like the Latin mass and seeing it and being connected to it. You know, [1:05:55] when I, when I converted, uh, you know, like I said, I found a rosary hanging on a nail by a [1:05:59] dumpster. I didn't know anything about this. And I was kind of a libtard leftist. And I was like, [1:06:03] well, I wonder how the Catholic church self-identifies. [1:06:07] And I went through the ecumenical councils. [1:06:10] I read all of them and I was like, man, there's something to this. [1:06:13] Maybe I should be Catholic. [1:06:14] And so I remember showing up at the local Catholic church in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania [1:06:18] and opening the door and literally walking back outside to do a double take on the sign [1:06:23] to say, it says Catholic church. [1:06:25] I opened the door and I'm looking at, that's Protestantism. [1:06:28] I grew up in Protestantism. [1:06:30] I've seen it. [1:06:30] That's what's going on here. [1:06:32] Maybe they're just renting the space out. [1:06:34] And so it took another six months or so for me to actually find the Latin mass. [1:06:38] And then all of a sudden I was like, that's Catholic. [1:06:41] That's what's going on. [1:06:43] But before we get too far on, we do have a question from Silent Vector who sent $10. [1:06:48] Thank you for the super chat. [1:06:50] who is asking, given the incentives to investigate extremism as a performative indicator, [1:06:56] what can we do as private citizens to protect ourselves from false flags or be able to just be left alone? [1:07:03] You don't have a lot of power over that. This is the problem. [1:07:06] So I think the biggest answer is just to be aware of what's out there. [1:07:10] So I'll just give the free advice that I gave. [1:07:11] This is the general how to avoid an FBI terrorism investigation. [1:07:15] If you find somebody online, and that's where it's going to happen, [1:07:18] because that's the cheapest farming that they can do. [1:07:21] It's the biggest net that will get cast. [1:07:24] If you find somebody online [1:07:25] who agrees with all of your dumbest ideas, [1:07:28] the ones that your other friends tell you [1:07:29] are really bad ideas [1:07:30] and you should stop saying them, [1:07:32] and particularly ones that have some degree of violence to them [1:07:35] or involve some sort of kinetic action [1:07:36] that has the potential of crossing a legal line, [1:07:38] then that's usually what you're going to find. [1:07:40] When you find that person, [1:07:41] they agree with all your dumbest ideas [1:07:43] and they want to help you do those dumbest ideas. [1:07:48] And they're willing to do it. [1:07:49] And they know somebody for everything that you think of. [1:07:52] It's like, well, if we could just blow this thing up. [1:07:54] And it's like, oh man, I got a friend who like is an expert in an explosive. [1:07:57] If we could just get like some off the book suppressed guns. [1:08:00] It's like, oh, I got an illegal gun dealer friend. [1:08:02] The friend that is... [1:08:03] When you find the person that knows how to do all the things that you need to do or has [1:08:06] a guy that can do that, especially for the exact amount of money that you happen to have [1:08:11] because they're already looking into your bank account with a national security letter. [1:08:14] Like that's a Fed. [1:08:15] That's how you get trapped into these things. [1:08:17] you can read Trevor Aronson's book. [1:08:20] It's called The Terror Factory, [1:08:22] which Trevor's a bit of a leftist. [1:08:24] He's at least left of me, [1:08:25] which is most people, [1:08:27] but he's left of center, I'll say. [1:08:29] But Trevor has actually kind of opened his mind up. [1:08:31] They've released the 10th anniversary of this book, [1:08:33] The Terror Factory. [1:08:34] It's a good read. [1:08:34] You can also watch his TED Talk, [1:08:36] which is the 15 minute free version of it. [1:08:38] So if you go find the 15 minute TED Talk he does, [1:08:41] it's well over a million views. [1:08:42] So it's worth your time. [1:08:43] And if you substitute the idea that he says [1:08:45] the FBI targets black and brown people [1:08:47] because they're racist, [1:08:49] and you open up the mindset [1:08:50] that the FBI targets dumb people [1:08:52] who say dumb things [1:08:53] because they're incentivized [1:08:54] to make money in their metrics [1:08:57] that they're trying to track, [1:08:58] then you'll get to the real truth of, [1:08:59] it can be, [1:09:00] and we've seen this [1:09:01] in the last couple of years, [1:09:02] it started off with the COINTELPRO, [1:09:04] you know, first of all, [1:09:05] it started off with the Palmer raids [1:09:06] going back in the 19-teens [1:09:07] before it was even the FBI. [1:09:08] So they went after commies, [1:09:09] they went after socialists, [1:09:10] they went after civil rights people, [1:09:12] they went after the PATCON guys, [1:09:14] they went after, you know, [1:09:15] your patriot movement types, [1:09:16] they went after what they considered to be white supremacists or militia [1:09:19] movements in the nineties. [1:09:21] Then they moved on and they decided, [1:09:22] Oh, [1:09:22] well we should do some other things. [1:09:23] We should go after Muslims because there's a lot of money in terrorism. [1:09:26] So then they went after Brown people after nine 11 and then they kind of ran [1:09:30] out of them. [1:09:30] And then so they went out of like Brown adjacent people or whatever else they [1:09:33] could find. [1:09:33] And then they slowly worked their way back to their roots where they were [1:09:36] like, [1:09:36] Hey, [1:09:36] what can we find that would be domestic and the domestic attacks have been [1:09:41] anti-abortion radical extremists was one of the lists. [1:09:46] militia violent extremists, [1:09:47] what they called anti-government, [1:09:48] anti-authority violent extremists, [1:09:50] which was essentially the MAGA movement [1:09:51] or anybody who was right of center [1:09:52] would fall into that category. [1:09:54] And so all of these different things, [1:09:55] they actually entered one about FLOC, [1:09:57] which is anti-technologist violent extremists. [1:10:00] And so to add violent extremists, [1:10:02] despite the fact that there's no violence [1:10:03] in your ideology, [1:10:04] you just don't like something [1:10:05] and you should have the ability to say it, [1:10:07] this is what they're targeting. [1:10:08] So if you're like, [1:10:08] oh, I could be one of those people. [1:10:10] And by the way, if you're listening to this, [1:10:11] the odds are super high that you are. [1:10:14] You're waiting for someone [1:10:15] who agrees with all your dumbest ideas [1:10:17] that wants to help you carry them out, [1:10:18] that knows how to do it [1:10:19] or has someone that will do it [1:10:20] and they'll do it for the amount of money that you have. [1:10:22] And then like, you know, [1:10:23] sort of the last indicator [1:10:23] you're actually dealing with an actual undercover [1:10:25] is that they can only meet during business hours. [1:10:27] You know, they want to cut it short on Fridays [1:10:29] and they don't want to meet you on the weekend. [1:10:30] So if that's the case, [1:10:31] then that's your classic sort of fed trapping, [1:10:35] you know, sort of entrapment move [1:10:36] and just be aware. [1:10:38] And then don't make friends with those people. [1:10:40] Don't make friends on the internet. [1:10:41] Go meet real people. [1:10:41] Amen. [1:10:42] Well, and this has been one of the big, [1:10:43] one of my big things I've been talking about recently with the Catholic land movement is [1:10:48] it's like, here's something that is, you're going to meet like-minded people that are, [1:10:53] you know, they share your faith, they share your ideas. And it's like so far away from illegal, [1:11:00] what they're doing that, you know, you can, you can kind of let your hair down a bit. It's good. [1:11:05] You know, it's like, we're going to learn how to, how to raise chickens and goats. Like you're fine. [1:11:11] Let me see here. [1:11:12] We just got another super chat from Still Hollow 7. [1:11:15] It says, random, but what do you know about the surge of Russian influencers? [1:11:21] True. [1:11:21] There's been a lot of that going on. [1:11:23] What are your thoughts on that? [1:11:25] I don't have a ton of thoughts on it. [1:11:27] I've seen allegations by Kash Patel's girl who is a friend saying that there's a bunch of Russian influence. [1:11:32] I was accused of being at – General Flynn was accused of being at – Catholics for Catholics was accused of being Russian influence. [1:11:38] I don't know that that's the case. [1:11:39] I think a lot of these things end up... [1:11:41] I don't know what her sourcing was on it. [1:11:43] And I don't know that I've been able to track money. [1:11:45] As far as I can tell from my minimal interactions with the Flens is that I don't know that he's Russian-inspired or anything else. [1:11:54] I think he's registered to work for some foreign governments, but he's done it all above board. [1:11:57] So there's this interesting move. [1:11:59] People used to call it Fed jacketing, where you accuse somebody of being a federal agent or being a federal informant or something. [1:12:04] And they're doing this sort of foreign influence game too. [1:12:06] I think as often as not, people who are saying things that are sensible, but they are not helpful [1:12:11] to, let's call it the current administration or any current administration, they're going to [1:12:15] immediately be impugned for having motives that are not their own. And rather than just listen to [1:12:20] the person and say, hey, is this person saying something that's meaningful? Like, is Russia nice? [1:12:24] I don't know. I had Tara Reid, who was allegedly attacked by Joe Biden, fled to Russia, and she [1:12:31] speaks really highly of it. And so I was like, oh, that sounds nice. I also don't trust Russia [1:12:36] because I grew up in the Cold War era. And so they were always our enemy. I'm not sure that [1:12:40] that's even reasonable anymore. They treated Tara really nicely. And I'm glad that they did. [1:12:44] But at the same time, she had a pretty vested interest in promoting Russia because she was [1:12:48] living in Russia at the courtesy of the Russian government, lest the FBI come and grab her. [1:12:52] So I try to weigh all those things all at once. And so I would just say, don't dismiss points. [1:12:57] the best thing you can always do is be a critical thinker. [1:13:00] Even if something is influence-driven, [1:13:02] even if somebody is coming from a place of motivation [1:13:05] that is maybe not 100% genuine or organic, [1:13:09] it doesn't always mean to me that that person is wrong. [1:13:12] And so I'm willing to evaluate facts [1:13:14] and not maybe sourcing as much. [1:13:16] The sourcing weighs in on it. [1:13:17] Just like when I look at a CNN article, [1:13:18] I go, well, it is CNN. [1:13:20] But then I read the story. [1:13:21] And if the story is plausible, [1:13:23] and if it passes kind of that scrutiny, [1:13:25] if the people that they're quoting have access [1:13:27] and the opportunity to know the things [1:13:28] that they're talking about? [1:13:30] Okay, maybe. [1:13:31] So I don't know. [1:13:31] I just don't reject anything out of hand. [1:13:33] And I don't actually care about foreign influence [1:13:34] all that much, [1:13:35] as much as that's something that the FBI wants to invest in. [1:13:38] We actually have a free and open society [1:13:39] where foreign influence is mostly allowed. [1:13:41] They're supposed to actually declare. [1:13:42] And oftentimes they don't in the area of the internet. [1:13:44] But how about be a human being that's responsible [1:13:47] for doing your own background [1:13:50] on whether or not I believe this person [1:13:52] is a credible source. [1:13:53] If somebody popped up at your house, [1:13:54] like they did to my friend George the other day, [1:13:56] and they want to sell you refrigerated meats out of a truck and you know nothing about the truck [1:14:02] or the meats or the guy, you know, the caveat emptor kind of thing. That should be kind of [1:14:07] your general motives of looking into it. Should you not just say, oh, okay, well, [1:14:12] tell me more about these meats and how do you get them and where do they come from? [1:14:15] And when things don't add up and the supply chain sounds really shady and it sounds like [1:14:18] he's selling you frozen cat meat from like the, you know, from Philly, you go, no, not for me. [1:14:22] Or maybe the person has a totally plausible story and maybe they represent a farm and [1:14:26] Maybe their dad is a, you know, whatever. [1:14:27] And he's trying to take it on the road. [1:14:28] I don't know. [1:14:29] So you can always look at the source and evaluate deeper. [1:14:32] You don't have to just go like, well, this is... [1:14:33] I have hard and fast rules. [1:14:35] This looks like Russian propaganda. [1:14:36] It's like, maybe it is. [1:14:37] Maybe it isn't. [1:14:38] I don't know. [1:14:38] You're probably going to be wrong at least half the time on this stuff [1:14:41] because the government's wrong on this stuff all the time too. [1:14:44] Yeah. [1:14:44] You know, they just... [1:14:45] They're trying to track this stuff. [1:14:46] But in the world of VPNs and sophisticated, you know, [1:14:49] track covering, money laundering, moving around. [1:14:52] I mean, how many people were listening to Benny Johnson? [1:14:54] They were listening to Lauren Chen. [1:14:56] They were listening to Tim Pool, not knowing those guys were catching 100 grand or more. [1:14:59] Per episode. [1:15:00] Per episode. [1:15:01] That's crazy. [1:15:02] Per episode for the freaking Russians. [1:15:03] And you're going, holy shit. [1:15:05] Yeah. [1:15:05] Those guys should have known. [1:15:06] Yeah. [1:15:07] Now, I should have known. [1:15:08] I do want to be respectful of your time. [1:15:10] We're about 15 minutes over an hour. [1:15:13] But there was one other thing that is kind of relevant here in North Idaho. [1:15:18] And that, of course, is the 2022 Patriot Front arrest. [1:15:22] and everything that came out of that. [1:15:25] I was one of the only journalists [1:15:28] that was actually covering any of that at the time. [1:15:31] Casey Whalen was another one. [1:15:33] But, you know, we had 31 members of Patriot Front. [1:15:36] They were in the back of a U-Haul. [1:15:37] They were going to protest a Pride in the Park event. [1:15:41] And it was largely thanks to you. [1:15:43] We did a little Twitter space years ago, [1:15:47] kind of blowing this whole thing wide open. [1:15:49] We found out that our assistant U.S. attorney, [1:15:52] It was her name, Tracy Wayland. [1:15:55] Tracy Wayland, yeah. [1:15:56] She apparently had like a child that was into trans [1:16:00] that was at the Pride in the Park thing. [1:16:02] And then she went to, I think his name was Zach Schallbetter, [1:16:06] who was at the time the- [1:16:08] Shovestall. [1:16:08] Zach Shovestall, thank you. [1:16:10] Zach Shovestall, who was the SSRA, [1:16:13] the Senior Supervisory Resident Agent [1:16:15] of the Coeur d'Alene Field Office. [1:16:17] And she was like, you need to write a letter of probable cause [1:16:20] to, you know, ex post facto justify [1:16:23] why we arrested all of these people. [1:16:24] And he was like, no, I'm not going to do it. [1:16:26] He wound up getting forced out, [1:16:28] writing a desk in Virginia for a bit. [1:16:30] Now I think he's, did he start, I think a gun shop. [1:16:34] So he owns a rifle company. [1:16:36] He owns Sharps Rifles. [1:16:38] Okay. [1:16:39] And so, yeah. [1:16:39] But he's back because he was smart enough [1:16:44] to keep his mouth shut and not do what I do, [1:16:46] which is really hurt people's feelings at the FBI. [1:16:48] Right. He was reinstated as far as I could tell. And it may be that it's just nominal and that he's able to get it. At the end of the day, I'm fairly confident he was able to get to his pension. And you'll have to see that. So he's on C Sharp's rifles. If you scroll down, see if he's done any posts on there. I wonder if he's done anything on that handle. I don't think he's touched it in quite a while. [1:17:06] Let's see. [1:17:07] And nobody follows him except me. [1:17:09] Except me. I follow him too. [1:17:12] Yeah, it's been since 25. [1:17:15] Yeah, yeah. So for the last year or so. Since, yes, he's basically kept quiet. [1:17:18] They make beautiful rifles, you know, bench, bend quality, you know, handmade rifles, heirloom stuff. [1:17:24] But Zach was, he was the guy. [1:17:28] And Zach is far more, he's far more of an institutionalist than I am. [1:17:34] And I think he's far more, I think he's, he has obviously a lot more experience in the FBI and a very different experience than what I saw in the FBI from where he worked. [1:17:44] but I think he saw it come for him in a way that was very uncomfortable and I'm very happy that [1:17:49] Zach got his job back I'm very happy that he's going to be able to get the pension that he earned [1:17:53] because I do think he should he's an honorable person he did exactly what you'd want someone to [1:17:57] do when someone asked him to do something illegal immoral or unethical he said no yeah and that [1:18:01] turns out to be actually a pretty rare thing so he sits in a pretty rarefied cloud of FBI [1:18:05] agents in my experience many have never been tested but those who have been tested oftentimes [1:18:11] found wanting. And Zach was one of the few that was not. And so good on him. And his subordinates [1:18:16] were also in the same category. And they also were jammed up on this in a terrible way, [1:18:20] including an academy classmate of mine who went through the ringer with this. [1:18:23] But the basic story is correct. They were arrested because they upset the sensibilities [1:18:28] of an assistant United States attorney, a heavyset woman who was running around policing [1:18:34] an event that she had no authority to be at in any official capacity. And they seized phones [1:18:40] and tried to search them [1:18:42] without any sort of ability to do that. [1:18:44] And the long and short, there she is. [1:18:45] She's a big girl. [1:18:47] I'm not nice. [1:18:48] I feel like it's the one thing [1:18:50] that you really do have control over on yourself. [1:18:52] And like when I see people in federal service [1:18:53] that are incredibly overweight [1:18:55] and like really unhealthy, [1:18:56] it upsets me because you're using our federal funds [1:18:59] to do something like that [1:19:00] and not take care of yourself. [1:19:02] Anyway, it's a personal thing. [1:19:04] I have this like terrible meme [1:19:05] and it just says, [1:19:06] you think my opinion matters less because I'm fat? [1:19:09] And it's like, yes. [1:19:10] And it's like, you know, it's the Nordic guy with the muscles. [1:19:12] Yes. [1:19:14] Except that it's always a blonde guy and I'm dark haired. [1:19:16] So I made it a dark haired guy. [1:19:17] It looks more like my hair cut. [1:19:19] It's like, yeah. [1:19:19] And then they're like, you're fat phobic. [1:19:20] And I'm like, also, yes. [1:19:22] I'm just not going to apologize for you. [1:19:24] You did this to yourself. [1:19:25] Like the Tracy Whelan types, they discredit themselves by their person persona. [1:19:29] And anyway, she went out there and did this very active, politically inappropriate motivation. [1:19:36] She tried to get the FBI on her side. [1:19:38] and in most cases, [1:19:39] they would have said yes. [1:19:40] Zach said no. [1:19:41] It caused a huge hubbub [1:19:43] and ended up being a real problem [1:19:45] for their attempted prosecutions. [1:19:46] These guys, [1:19:46] these guys should have never really, [1:19:48] you know, [1:19:48] I don't think they should probably [1:19:49] have been arrested [1:19:49] and even if they had been, [1:19:50] they charged them for conspiracy to riot, [1:19:52] which was total BS. [1:19:53] And then they brought in another, [1:19:56] a pinch hitter from Boise [1:19:57] who happened to be a lesbian. [1:20:00] And so they brought in [1:20:01] a replacement for Zach [1:20:02] who was a lesbian [1:20:02] to run the office [1:20:03] to do what they wanted to do. [1:20:04] And so if that doesn't tell you [1:20:05] that government will justify their actions, [1:20:08] they already had a predetermined path they were going to take. [1:20:10] And then they did. [1:20:11] They took the path that they had already affirmed [1:20:13] that they were going to take. [1:20:14] And he was a man in the way. [1:20:16] And what you find out in that rare moment [1:20:18] when you say no to the agency [1:20:19] is that the agency will see that you say [1:20:22] that what they're doing is problematic [1:20:23] and they will recognize the problem is you. [1:20:26] Yeah. [1:20:26] And that's a good way to not have a job there anymore. [1:20:29] And but for Donald Trump coming in, [1:20:31] Cash Patel sort of like doing the right thing with Zach, [1:20:33] they really needed to have [1:20:36] some wins. [1:20:39] And I don't know if you know this, but he was actually basically brought back as part [1:20:42] of the whistleblower group that were part of Empower Oversight. [1:20:44] And interestingly enough, all of that was a reaction to me calling out that Cash Patel [1:20:48] was a dummy and saying that he was flying around with a pilot who at the time was flying [1:20:54] the private aircraft for the FBI director. [1:20:56] But previous to that, this guy had been on CR-15, which was the squad that did the Mar-a-Lago [1:21:03] search warrant and ended up doing Arctic Frost and some other stuff. [1:21:06] and so long and short of it was [1:21:08] Zach was part of a [1:21:10] we need a PR win [1:21:11] we're going to bring a couple of guys back [1:21:13] my friend Garrett O'Boyle was one of them [1:21:14] my friend Steve Friend was one of them as well [1:21:15] so luckily enough [1:21:17] they were able to be able to finish their careers I think [1:21:19] but yeah all of that was unjust [1:21:22] and that will all happen again [1:21:23] like there's nothing that has changed [1:21:25] there's no mechanism that will stop another Patriot front [1:21:28] that will stop another Richmond memo [1:21:30] there's no [1:21:31] that institution [1:21:31] by its very nature will do these things [1:21:35] It's what it does. [1:21:37] Oh man, that's crazy. [1:21:38] But there are things you can do to protect yourself, like not being a retard online. [1:21:42] That's great. [1:21:43] You know, and yeah, you know, it's interesting too, because like, you know, I remember when [1:21:49] I first moved to the area in like 2020, I remember kind of like looking around and getting [1:21:53] a lay of the land. [1:21:54] And of course, you know, find out about the old FBI that was up here. [1:21:58] I think I've got the article up here. [1:22:01] One of my fangirls is, of course, this woman, Krista Hazel, the daughter of the FBI agent that was very involved in all this COINTELPRO type stuff. [1:22:12] His name was Wayne Maness. [1:22:14] He was in charge of the order investigation, eventually the Aryan Nations and all of that. [1:22:19] Total, total weirdo. [1:22:21] Really, really did some scummy stuff, in my opinion. [1:22:25] And by the way, the daughter, this girl, Krista Hazel, she ran for office up here recently, lost by a wide margin. [1:22:34] And we found out actually through some records requests that she had stolen something like $293 from like TJ Maxx about a month before Ruby Ridge. [1:22:46] She got charged with a felony and her FBI dad got all of that washed away. [1:22:53] and then they went and did an assault on Randy Weaver's house within a month. [1:22:57] It's just incredible. [1:22:58] For what? For like an inch and a half on a shotgun or something. [1:23:01] Amen. Yeah. So it's just absolutely crazy. [1:23:04] But it has been interesting because when Zach was up here, [1:23:08] they were reopening cold cases. [1:23:10] They were trying to solve crimes that were going on. [1:23:13] And ever since this Patriot Front thing happened, nothing. [1:23:17] Nothing from the FBI. [1:23:18] Well, that's – [1:23:18] Not that we want things from the FBI necessarily. [1:23:22] but you know, there's a lot of drug trafficking going on. And you actually do have some decent [1:23:26] people in Coeur d'Alene, uh, since I know some of them and they're the kind of people that you [1:23:31] would want doing investigations and calling BS when it's BS. And they had a supervisor that [1:23:35] backed them. And what they found out was, is if you do that, then you're going to be targeted by [1:23:39] this agency. This agency is not about that. So what people learn is if I'm going to feed my family, [1:23:43] if I'm going to be able to get to my pension, which, you know, I'm dumb apparently. Cause I [1:23:47] just like that, that, that just never occurred to me. And my wife and I had that conversation. I go, [1:23:51] well, look, I got two choices here. [1:23:52] I can shut my mouth. [1:23:54] I can go get this shot [1:23:55] and I can try not to cause any trouble. [1:23:57] And then when the country falls apart, [1:23:58] I can tell my children, [1:24:00] at least I kept a roof over our heads [1:24:01] until you were 18. [1:24:02] Or I could do what I do, [1:24:04] which is not care about that sort of thing. [1:24:06] And she goes, [1:24:06] you'll figure out how to make money somewhere else. [1:24:07] I haven't been able to get a job [1:24:09] since I left the FBI, which was in 2022. [1:24:11] I've been self-employed. [1:24:12] I run my own podcast. [1:24:13] And I've been feeding my family [1:24:15] in part through a Catholic organization [1:24:16] that helped me launch in the first year. [1:24:19] You know, they came in [1:24:19] and they underwrote the podcast. [1:24:20] so I didn't need sponsorships. [1:24:22] I just learned the trade and the craft [1:24:23] and built out what I do. [1:24:25] And they didn't distribute it in any way. [1:24:28] They're just awesome. [1:24:29] It was a group called Catholic Vote. [1:24:31] And it turns out that Brian Birch [1:24:33] is now the ambassador to the Vatican [1:24:35] on behalf of the, or to the Holy See. [1:24:37] He's the founder of Catholic Vote [1:24:39] and he's a stud and he's got nine kids [1:24:40] and he's like as OG Catholic as you can get [1:24:42] and his people are really good. [1:24:44] But amazingly, that's what kept me floating. [1:24:46] There's no other, I'm unemployable at this point [1:24:48] because I decided to go up against the agency. [1:24:50] And I think other people saw that. [1:24:52] I'm not unknown to people in the FBI. [1:24:54] They're like, oh, you're you. [1:24:56] They'll hang up on me if I call the Human Resources Department. [1:24:59] Like, they just hang out. [1:25:00] They're like, that guy. [1:25:01] Because I'm recording them, you know, and it's funny. [1:25:03] But when that happened, that was it. [1:25:06] And so a lot of people got the message loud and clear. [1:25:08] And I might have been the most prominent, loudest, [1:25:11] you know, in some ways, obnoxious FBI whistleblowing person. [1:25:16] And there was no other way around it. [1:25:18] It's like, I knew what the power of the media was. [1:25:20] my dad had been in media. [1:25:21] My dad had saved some people [1:25:22] who had had some really bad run-ins [1:25:24] with the federal government. [1:25:25] When I was a kid, [1:25:26] he spent 30 years in mass media with CBS. [1:25:29] So I knew what I was going to have to do. [1:25:31] It was like, we only have two choices. [1:25:33] We can shut our mouth and we can comply [1:25:34] or we can get really loud [1:25:36] and try to make it so they can't kill us. [1:25:37] And hopefully they won't. [1:25:39] And so every night, I don't know that that's... [1:25:41] I less and less worry about being killed in my sleep. [1:25:44] But for the first probably two years, [1:25:47] I don't know that I slept very well. [1:25:48] I woke up before 6am. [1:25:51] I woke up before 5am most mornings [1:25:53] because that's when the FBI hits the door. [1:25:55] And so I was already awake. [1:25:56] I was like, I'm not going to get woken [1:25:58] by a battering ram on my front door. [1:26:01] I'm not going to have that moment. [1:26:02] I'm not going to do that to my kids. [1:26:03] I'm not going to wake up and be in a stupor [1:26:05] and grab a gun and get killed. [1:26:06] I'm going to be sitting there having coffee [1:26:07] when they come in and I'll take off my shirt [1:26:08] and I'll stand there in my Ranger panties [1:26:10] and I'll go, what's up, assholes? [1:26:11] You know, like, good morning. [1:26:13] If you guys had called, [1:26:14] I would have put on another pot of coffee, [1:26:15] that kind of thing. [1:26:16] You know, like, I'm going to be awake. [1:26:17] And so I less and less worry about that now, but I still instinctively get up before 6 a.m. because that's when the FBI hits the door. [1:26:24] It's just like, I better be awake. [1:26:26] I'm going to be wandering around. [1:26:27] I might be in my box or scratching my belly, but I'm going to be awake. [1:26:30] Man, that's incredible. [1:26:31] But listen, the American people and especially American Catholics owe you a debt of gratitude for what you've done and the sacrifices that you've made. [1:26:39] So on behalf of all of them, thank you very much for your service and thank you for not shutting your mouth and taking the paycheck because it really has helped reveal, you know, the stakes here because it's it's this is a spiritual war. [1:26:53] And there are all kinds of levers that are involved with this FBI, certainly DOJ and, you know, all kinds of other stuff. [1:27:00] So we do need to be, what is it, you know, wise as serpents and gentle as doves. [1:27:05] But, you know, thanks to your work, we're a little bit better equipped knowing exactly what we're up against. [1:27:11] So thank you for that. [1:27:13] And, of course, you can get all kinds of information from Kyle Serafin. [1:27:18] He's on Twitter at Kyle Serafin. [1:27:20] His website, kileserafin.com. [1:27:22] This brings you here. [1:27:24] Of course, I think you got some products. [1:27:25] You got some affiliate deals going on in all of your podcasts and whatnot. [1:27:30] You're also on X at Kyle Serafin. [1:27:33] So please make sure that you go follow him. [1:27:35] God knows what the next whistleblower report's going to be. [1:27:38] Who knows? [1:27:39] But thank you again. [1:27:40] It's really great to talk to you. [1:27:42] No, it was good chatting with you. [1:27:43] Thanks for taking the time. [1:27:44] Awesome. [1:27:45] No, thank you. [1:27:46] Awesome. [1:27:47] Well, that was Kyle Serafin. [1:27:48] We're going to do some ads. [1:27:50] Thank you, everybody, for tuning into the show. [1:27:52] It was really big, really great. [1:27:54] And we've got to thank all of our sponsors for making that possible. [1:27:57] First up, of course, is ODGG Supply. 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[1:29:41] My daughter got stung by hornets three times on her legs, you know, up on her thighs or whatever. [1:29:48] And so we brought her in. [1:29:50] We killed the hornets. [1:29:51] And my wife got a jar of their Idaho tallow recovery balm, I think is what we used. [1:29:57] We put some of the balm on. [1:29:59] We used some ice. [1:30:00] And literally the next day, it was like nothing had happened. [1:30:03] I've never seen anything like it. [1:30:05] This stuff, it works. [1:30:06] Like when the kids slip, fall, bonk their head, they get a black and blue mark, slather them in tallow, and it's like it never happened the next day. [1:30:14] I don't know what they're putting in their tallow balm, but it works. [1:30:18] It's really good. [1:30:19] And when you go to their website, you can use promo code FORLIFE. [1:30:23] And when you do that, it helps fight the abortion initiative that is here in Idaho. [1:30:30] They're trying to bring abortion back. [1:30:31] They're doing all kinds of backhanded things to keep it on the ballot. [1:30:34] and so when you use promo code for life, [1:30:38] you will get 10% off your order [1:30:40] and 20% of every purchase [1:30:42] will go towards fighting the abortion initiative. [1:30:45] So keep Idaho Idaho by shopping at idahotallow.com [1:30:49] and they will be forever grateful for that. [1:30:52] Also, got to give a shout out to our friends [1:30:54] at atlasbullion.com slash backlash. [1:30:57] And by the way, if anybody ever has any issues [1:31:00] with Kenzie or with Atlas Bullion, [1:31:03] feel free to email me at info at the backlash.net. [1:31:06] We'll make sure that you get taken care of, [1:31:07] but they have gold and silver and I think they are still running. [1:31:12] They had a labor day. [1:31:13] Let me see. [1:31:14] Labor day. [1:31:17] I'm not going to remember what it was, [1:31:19] but they have a labor day sale going on right now. [1:31:23] They've got a selection of gold and silver. [1:31:27] Let me see if it pops up. [1:31:29] Is it going to pop up? [1:31:29] You're going to pop up for me. [1:31:30] no you're not anyway uh they do have it's in the oh dang it it's in the other podcast that we did [1:31:39] but anyway they do have a labor day sale that's going on until midnight tonight uh they've got [1:31:43] certain select uh gold and silver coins with very low premiums uh they do have some of the lowest [1:31:50] premiums in the online space and of course when you make a purchase through atlas bullion we do [1:31:57] get a small percentage kickback. So it helps us keep the lights on. So visit atlasbullion.com [1:32:04] slash backlash. And once again, our newest sponsor of the show or sponsor, friend of the show, [1:32:12] just, you know, directionally aligned and, you know, Commander John Sharp is awesome. And so [1:32:18] we, of course, I need to get this to the winner. We gave a copy of this book away, Action by Jean [1:32:25] Usseh, read this book. Please replace some of the time that you spend scrolling on x.com with [1:32:33] reading good books. And so we just gave a copy of this one away, Action. It's about rebuilding [1:32:38] Christendom. It's about taking real action in the real world to bring about the kingship of Christ [1:32:44] the King. They also publish old classics that are going to become more and more relevant as [1:32:50] the United States continues to slip into Weimerica, you know, with inflation and these [1:32:57] corrupt government agencies. It's the same thing that we saw happen in Germany in the 1920s and [1:33:02] 30s. And so you want to be equipped against, for example, capitalism and communism. The book [1:33:09] Economics for Helen by Hilaire Belloc. If you haven't read it, you absolutely should. You will [1:33:14] find out why both capitalism and communism are not the way forward. That is not what the Catholic [1:33:21] Church wants for us. And also, a great primer on the Catholic land movement, flee to the fields, [1:33:28] the faith and works of the Catholic land movement. These are all available at ihspress.com. And yeah, [1:33:36] we're going to work. I'm going to bully John. We're going to get him a new website. This thing [1:33:40] looks like it was built in 2001. But it still works. You can still buy books. And these are [1:33:46] some of the best books, especially for our day and age, implementing the kingship of Christ, [1:33:52] implementing an economy as if God mattered. You know, Ethics in the National Economy by [1:33:58] Henrik Pesce is another great book that you should definitely be reading. But it is so [1:34:02] important that we get good—what the heck? What happened? What happened? Oh, okay. I see what [1:34:08] happen. But anyway, it is so important that we get this type of material into your hands, into the [1:34:14] hands of Catholic lay people, because there are two sorts. There are two sources of power in the [1:34:21] world. One is ecclesial, one is temporal, and the temporal order of things, that is getting elected [1:34:27] to office, becoming the mayor, becoming the governor, or whatever, right? That is within our [1:34:33] purview. We don't have the priests doing that for us. The priests aren't going to run for office. [1:34:38] We are going to do that. [1:34:39] And so we need to know what the Catholic Church teaches on the social order, [1:34:44] on what it's going to take to bring about the kingship of Christ in the world. [1:34:48] And so you can read all about that with the books published at ihspress.com. [1:34:55] So please visit them, support them. [1:34:57] I don't think we're actually getting paid anything from IHS Press. [1:35:01] There is no kickback link or anything like that. [1:35:03] I'm just telling you to go do it because these ideas' time have come. [1:35:08] It is time for American Catholics to begin divesting, either on the one hand divesting from the two-party system and choosing a third way. [1:35:18] You know, that's one option. [1:35:20] The other option, of course, is getting Catholics armed with the training, with the knowledge, with the teaching of the church to then go into the Republican Party at your local level. [1:35:32] At your local level. [1:35:33] I'm not talking about federal stuff at this point. [1:35:35] But it gives you the understanding of what needs to be done at the local level to go in there and remake the Republican Party in the image and likeness of Catholic social teaching. [1:35:49] So please pick up some of those books at IHSPress.com. [1:35:53] Now, speaking of a book that is not at IHSPress.com, of course, it is Know Thy Enemy by Father James Maudsley. [1:36:01] There it is. [1:36:02] This is the first volume of three. [1:36:04] He is going to be joining the podcast on Wednesday, this Wednesday, normal time, 3 p.m., and we are going to be talking about all of this stuff. [1:36:13] You know, Kyle and I kind of talked about it. [1:36:15] We hinted at it a little bit with all of this, you know, investigations by the Southern Poverty Law Center and the ADL. [1:36:22] They say that Catholicism is anti-Semitic. [1:36:26] Of course, did I already close the article? [1:36:29] You'll remember there was this The Dirty Dozen article. [1:36:32] There was the article from the ADL in 2007. [1:36:37] And so what does that actually mean? [1:36:39] What is anti-Semitism? [1:36:41] How do we as Catholics or even just Christians, how do we approach this? [1:36:45] How do we talk about this? [1:36:47] How do we combat some of these heresies that we're seeing pop up, Judeo-Christianity, evangelical Zionism, and all of this type of stuff? [1:36:53] And so it is important that we – somebody said, oh, no, not Monsley. [1:37:01] And that just totally derailed my trade of thought. [1:37:03] But we need to understand these things, right? [1:37:05] The Catholic Church doesn't hate anyone, right? [1:37:08] Jesus Christ preached love. [1:37:10] He said, love your enemies. [1:37:12] And so we're going to find out all about what that means this Wednesday. [1:37:17] How do we love the Jews in the modern context? [1:37:20] It's going to be a very, very good episode of the show. [1:37:25] So please join us. [1:37:26] Make sure that you smash the like button. [1:37:27] Smash the follow button. [1:37:28] We want to see you back here as we go. [1:37:31] We've got a bunch of other incredible guests coming up. [1:37:33] I will name a few of them. [1:37:35] After Father Maudsley, we will be talking with Dale Alquist. [1:37:39] He is the president of the G.K. Chesterton Society. [1:37:42] Then we're going to have Pastor Chuck Baldwin from Northwest Liberty Fellowship. [1:37:47] He's a Protestant minister, but he has a lot of the right ideas. [1:37:50] So we're going to be talking with him on Wednesday the 16th. [1:37:53] The 21st, we're trying to get John Sharp on the show. [1:37:56] 23rd, Denise Dijon. [1:37:57] She is a health care provider. [1:38:00] She's like a doctor, I think. [1:38:01] And she's going to tell us all about why what we're eating is making us sick. [1:38:06] So we're going to find out what we can do to protect our families and protect ourselves [1:38:10] from turning into a fat, ugly woman like this crazy bitch, Tracy Whelan. [1:38:15] We don't want anyone looking like this, okay? [1:38:20] We don't want that to happen. [1:38:22] I'm totally going to get brought in for questioning for this interview. [1:38:25] Oh, dear God. [1:38:26] Anyway, thank you so much for joining us. [1:38:28] It's been an absolute pleasure. [1:38:30] If you haven't seen it already, I joined a guy named Austin Lostro earlier today on his podcast. [1:38:39] Let's see. Here it is. The Austin Lostro Show or whatever. That's on my X account. If you want to [1:38:45] go see that, it was a really interesting interview that we did together earlier this morning. And [1:38:50] listen, listen. I know that there's a lot of drama right now with Brother Nathaniel, okay? [1:38:57] and I told a priest friend of mine that I was going to hold off on doing a video about the [1:39:03] entire thing. So we're not going to get into it today, but please, please, if you are seeing the [1:39:10] absolute meltdown that Brother Nathaniel is having on the timeline, pray for him. He is a very sick [1:39:16] soul that needs God's grace and we need to pray for him. You know, that's basically all that I'm [1:39:23] going to say about the brother Nathaniel situation for now. I hear that he is working on some video [1:39:31] about me. Dear God, what is that going to be? I mean, like, you know, old man calls me up. Hey, [1:39:36] I want to go to mass. I want to become Catholic. Okay. I'll help you. I'll help you. Why don't you [1:39:41] come over? You know? And yeah, the next thing you know, he's, he's calling me all kinds of names [1:39:46] and saying I'm in a cult and all of this type of stuff. It's like, geez, dude, you know, [1:39:50] you really never stopped being Jewish, huh? [1:39:53] Anyway, so please pray for Brother Nathaniel. [1:39:57] He needs the prayers. [1:39:59] And so anyway, we'll have more on all of that [1:40:01] coming up on The Backlash. [1:40:03] So make sure that you're tuned in [1:40:05] and subscribed and following, [1:40:06] and we'll see you later. [1:40:08] God bless. [1:40:08] Have a great rest of your day. [1:40:20] Thank you. [1:40:50] Thank you. [1:41:20] Thank you. [1:41:50] We'll be right back. [1:42:20] We'll be right back.