Episode 171 — How G.K. Chesterton Was Right About Everything w/Dale Ahlquist

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Well, thank you, Dave. It's a great [0:03:39] pleasure to be with you. Good to see you again. Yeah, this is great. We had the opportunity to [0:03:43] meet a couple of, geez, it feels like a lifetime ago already, but a couple of weeks ago at the [0:03:48] Catholic Land Movement Conference, I think I actually have, where's the picture? Yeah, [0:03:55] there we go. Over there, which was great. A really great time getting to network with people, [0:04:01] which is something that I think we really do need more of to get, you know, away from these accursed screens and actually get in the real world and start building some real things. [0:04:13] Now, Dale, my audience is probably suffering from what most audiences are suffering from, which is just this, you know, black pill fatigue, doom scrolling on the phones, just constantly being bombarded with all kinds of nonsense on the Internet. [0:04:30] that we need to start reading a little bit more. [0:04:33] And I think one of the best people to read is G.K. Chesterton. [0:04:37] So, you know, my audience is kind of a hodgepodge of people. [0:04:40] There's some Catholic, some non-Catholic. [0:04:43] Tell us a little bit about G.K. Chesterton, who he was, where he came from, [0:04:49] and how you got into him, I guess. [0:04:52] That would be a good place, I think, to start. [0:04:55] Great. [0:04:56] Well, I'll tell you, not only is Chesterton a good antidote to the screen, because you can pick up a book and read Chesterton, that's a great thing to do. [0:05:06] I'm surrounded by books here. [0:05:08] Books make you happy just by being with you. [0:05:11] But also, he's also the antidote to the doom scrolling. [0:05:15] Chesterton is a happy man. [0:05:17] He gives us great joy, and that's one of the wonderful things we need in today's world. [0:05:24] He's a writer of hope and a writer of faith, but also of charity. [0:05:29] And those are all uplifting things. [0:05:32] We just have to not be so discouraged and so distressed. [0:05:36] Chesterton said despair is not an option. [0:05:39] We're not entitled to despair, he says. [0:05:42] So who he was? [0:05:42] He was born in the Victorian era in the late 19th century in England. [0:05:49] And he was a writer in the early 20th century. [0:05:52] and he wrote from basically the first third of the 20th century [0:05:57] and was one of the most prolific writers who ever lived. [0:06:00] He wrote 100 books. [0:06:02] He wrote introductions to 200 more books. [0:06:05] He wrote a lot of poetry. [0:06:07] He wrote some very famous detective stories featuring a priest named Father Brown [0:06:12] and changed the course of detective fiction with that great character. [0:06:18] But he was primarily a journalist, and he wrote for the newspapers. [0:06:22] and including a newspaper that he himself edited for several years. [0:06:26] So he was incredibly prolific as an essayist. [0:06:32] And he wrote over 6,000 essays, which is a phenomenal amount to just even consider. [0:06:39] And everything he wrote was good. [0:06:42] And so you have a prolific and profound, witty, delightful writer who really wrote about everything. [0:06:51] And because he wrote about everything, he was a complete thinker. [0:06:56] So he definitely writes about the faith. [0:06:59] He writes about art. [0:07:00] He writes about politics and economics and social criticism as well as literary and art criticism. [0:07:09] But he was a Catholic convert, but he's well loved by Christians across the spectrum. [0:07:17] just a lot of them who happened to start reading and become Catholic, and that's what happened to me. [0:07:22] I was a Baptist when I started reading Chesterton. [0:07:26] Evangelicals love him because he has a great connection to C.S. Lewis. [0:07:31] C.S. Lewis was profoundly affected by G.K. Chesterton, [0:07:36] and really so much of C.S. Lewis's writings are influenced by G.K. Chesterton. [0:07:43] And that's one way people discover Chesterton is by reading C.S. Lewis. [0:07:47] we have a beatification coming up next week [0:07:52] Fulton Sheen [0:07:53] and Fulton Sheen was [0:07:57] really deeply influenced by Chesterton [0:08:00] in fact he said Chesterton was the writer who influenced him [0:08:04] the most of all writers [0:08:06] and a lot of those great Fulton Sheen quotes [0:08:10] that you hear are actually [0:08:13] G.K. Chesterton quotes [0:08:15] He quoted him unconsciously. He wasn't trying to plagiarize or take credit for Chesterton's wit. [0:08:23] He just absorbed it and breathed it because he read Chesterton deeply and would think like him. [0:08:29] So when Sheen said, we don't need a church that moves with the world, we need a church that moves the world. [0:08:36] Well, that's a great line, but it's not Fulton Sheen's line, it's G.K. Chesterton's line. [0:08:42] Oh, wow. That's interesting. I did not know that. [0:08:44] Now, speaking of beatifications, I guess we'll get this out of the way early. [0:08:50] There has been an effort underway for some time now to get G.K. Chesterton to be canonized. [0:09:00] According to AI, according to Google, that process was halted in 2019 after Bishop Peter Doyle, [0:09:11] the Diocese of Northampton, he announced that he would not open a cause. [0:09:18] Has there been any movement on this? [0:09:21] I mean, he was, who was it? [0:09:24] Pius XI named him a gifted defender of the faith, [0:09:29] which is one of the highest kind of, I don't know if it's an award, [0:09:33] but it's like one of the highest statuses that a lay person could achieve in the church. [0:09:39] so how is that going? [0:09:42] He was also named a Knight of St. Gregory [0:09:44] by Pope Pius XI [0:09:46] so [0:09:47] you can't trust everything you read on the internet [0:09:50] Dave, that's the first thing [0:09:52] especially if you're using AI [0:09:53] so [0:09:54] nothing was halted [0:09:57] with Bishop Doyle [0:09:59] he didn't even make an announcement [0:10:02] he just [0:10:04] in a private correspondence to me [0:10:06] he said [0:10:06] I don't want to do anything to hold it up [0:10:09] but he says I'm not the one who's going to [0:10:11] open the cost [0:10:12] he was getting ready to retire [0:10:15] his heart wasn't in it [0:10:17] he didn't know enough about Chesterton himself [0:10:19] and God bless him [0:10:21] he just said I'm not the guy to do it [0:10:23] but he was very supportive [0:10:25] and then he did subsequently retire [0:10:27] and we do [0:10:29] have a bishop [0:10:30] not from the diocese of [0:10:33] Northampton, England [0:10:34] the current bishop of Northampton did pass the competency to open the cause to another bishop, [0:10:42] and that bishop is very interested in opening the cause, and I believe it will probably be open before the end of the year. [0:10:49] Oh, wow. That's incredible. [0:10:52] Huh. Well, that's certainly something that everybody should be praying for. [0:10:57] It's not exactly something people can, like, donate towards. [0:11:00] This is a Chesterton prayer card right here. [0:11:04] Oh, wow. [0:11:04] And go to chesterton.org and you get a prayer card. [0:11:07] You can also get the prayer from our website at chesterton.org. [0:11:11] But you can also just write and we'll send you five of these. [0:11:14] And we've distributed over 50,000 of these prayer cards. [0:11:18] And there's a lot of people praying for his beatification, [0:11:22] but they're also praying for his intercession. [0:11:24] And the prayers are being answered. [0:11:26] There's a great worldwide devotion to Chesterton right now, worldwide. [0:11:30] Oh, yeah. [0:11:31] Well, you know, and I think a lot of that has to do with what we're going through as a society right now. [0:11:38] You know, it's been interesting. [0:11:39] You know, we have our new pope, Leo, who when he took his name, you know, he was looking back at Pope Leo XIII, who is probably one of the more important popes, especially when it comes to Catholic social teaching. [0:11:55] He kind of set the standard for applying the faith to society at large, the economy, politics. [0:12:08] And the other parallel that's going on here is – or I guess the parallel that's going on is we're dealing with a technological revolution with AI specifically. [0:12:22] You know, back at that turn of the century in the late 1800s, we were dealing with industrialization, modernization, you know, this big conflict with the Luddites. [0:12:31] And we're seeing something similar now with AI because it is calling into question the value of labor. [0:12:39] It's calling into question, you know, how people are spending their day. [0:12:44] Does labor have dignity and all of this kind of stuff? [0:12:46] So let's let's dive in a little bit right there. [0:12:50] Um, what, what do you think Chesterton would think about AI? [0:13:00] Well, okay. [0:13:01] Just, we'll back, we'll back up just one second. [0:13:04] First of all, Pope Leo XIV did in fact, you know, choose his name based on Pope Leo XIII, [0:13:11] who really is the, the Pope of Catholic social teaching. [0:13:15] He established modern Catholic social teaching. [0:13:17] He did it with an encyclical called Rerum Rovarum from 1891. [0:13:24] And the new pope was kind of building off that very encyclical in writing his first encyclical. [0:13:34] And, you know, I think let's just quickly sum up what was in that first encyclical in Rerum Rovarum. [0:13:43] because in that letter, obviously the Pope, it's for the working classes. [0:13:51] That's what it was written for. [0:13:53] It's about that. [0:13:54] It's about the fact that modern capitalism, industrial capitalism, [0:13:57] at the end of the 19th century was a horrible thing. [0:14:01] It just abused the working class. [0:14:04] We had child labor. [0:14:05] We had no rules protecting the workers. [0:14:09] and they simply didn't make enough money to do anything other than eat and sleep. [0:14:17] They really could not make a life for themselves at the wages they were being paid. [0:14:22] And the Pope said they were really no better than slaves. [0:14:25] He said their condition was no better than slaves. [0:14:29] And after identifying this evil, he then says, [0:14:34] but the wrong reaction to this bad system, the wrong reaction is socialism. [0:14:40] So he's condemned both capitalism and socialism with this encyclical. [0:14:45] He says the solution is for more workers to become owners, [0:14:51] more workers to become owners. [0:14:53] So he was promoting the idea of widespread ownership that would stabilize a society, [0:14:59] People actually working for themselves, having a stake in the labor they produce, the work they produce, so that they actually benefit from it in a more meaningful way. [0:15:14] And that was 1891. [0:15:17] A very short time after that, Hilaire Belloc really seized on the idea. [0:15:22] He says, this is the solution. [0:15:23] All the young men of our age are becoming socialists because they can't stand what they're seeing with the abuse of the workers in capitalism. [0:15:34] But he also said, socialism is not the answer. [0:15:36] He told Chesterton about this idea. [0:15:38] Chesterton lit up as well. [0:15:41] And they started to really promote this idea of widespread ownership. [0:15:45] and they struck out, in fact, it was 100 years ago [0:15:49] when they came up with the name of the movement, [0:15:52] which was one of the dark points, [0:15:56] one of the low points in the history of G.K. Chesterton [0:16:00] and Hilaire Belloc, because the name that they came up with, [0:16:03] and it wasn't they, it was Hilaire Belloc [0:16:04] who came up with the name, it was distributism. [0:16:08] In fact, yeah, Belloc even referred to it [0:16:10] as distributivism for a while. [0:16:13] And so nobody could say the word. [0:16:15] Nobody liked the word. [0:16:17] And even among the people in the movement said, we've got to come up with a better term. [0:16:22] It came from a phrase that Pope Leo used, which was, justice should be distributive. [0:16:29] In other words, everyone's entitled to justice. [0:16:32] Well, anyways, the term was a placeholder term until they came up with a better term. [0:16:39] And, well, they did not during their lifetime. [0:16:42] and they didn't come up with another term. [0:16:44] So anyway, what distributism is, [0:16:46] it is about that more people should own and control their own capital. [0:16:54] They should own their own land and be productive [0:16:58] and not work for someone else. [0:17:01] So they shouldn't work for a huge corporation [0:17:03] and they shouldn't work for the government. [0:17:05] They should be their own employer. [0:17:08] And that way they're more directly connected [0:17:09] to everything that controls them. [0:17:14] And so it's about decentralization. [0:17:17] And decentralization applies both to business [0:17:20] and giant corporations, [0:17:22] but it also applies to government. [0:17:24] So you want a strong local government, [0:17:27] you want strong local businesses [0:17:28] with people actually invested directly [0:17:32] in what they're doing. [0:17:33] So it's a direct economy and very family-based. [0:17:37] So that's the quick, basic background introduction. [0:17:41] Now, what's happened as a result of the world not following these ideas, which, you know, bigness and centralization is how the world is operating, whether it's centralized corporations or centralized government. [0:17:55] but it's both because they're really the twin evils. [0:17:58] They're the evil twins. [0:18:02] Is that you have fewer and fewer people in control of more and more. [0:18:08] And everybody else is working for a smaller group of people who are very rich [0:18:14] and powerful and governments that are rich and powerful too, [0:18:17] because so many people are working for them as well. [0:18:21] and um and yeah the more the more centralized you get the more specialized you get [0:18:28] and uh you uh and you know people who are become specialized they know more and more about less and [0:18:37] less and so you don't have you don't have generalists anymore you don't have people [0:18:42] who are multi-talented who can who can truly do many different things who who know you know [0:18:49] where their food comes from and, and, [0:18:51] and where the things that most directly affect them come from, [0:18:55] they're just so completely detached from the controlling factors in their [0:19:00] lives. And yeah, [0:19:01] the natural result of that is that people become lazy and they, [0:19:06] they want other, they want everything done for them, including thinking. [0:19:11] They want other people to think for them because thinking is the hardest [0:19:14] work there is. Right. [0:19:16] So what, what you have with AI is a substitute for people thinking for themselves. [0:19:24] That's true. [0:19:25] I think that's true. [0:19:25] There's a lot of that, you know, it's, it's been, you know, for me anyway, it's been interesting. [0:19:30] I've been using, I've been using AI in one form or another since, I think since like [0:19:35] 2018 or 2019, actually, there was some, some early stuff that came out that would help [0:19:40] like summarize large pieces of text. [0:19:43] I was working for a book publisher at the time. [0:19:44] And so it's like, we need to get a, like a summary up on the website. So instead of actually, you know, doing this for 30 or 40 different titles, can I just plug something in and have it spit out a summary that's SEO optimized and all of that. [0:19:58] But it has been interesting using it. And even even just over the last couple of months, the the leaps that it's been making for people like me doing more technical stuff, websites and coding and making sure that databases are good. [0:20:16] It's been a real game changer. [0:20:18] But at the same time, it's like, you know, when you go on social media, when you try to use AI to be profound or to think or to come up with an idea, it all comes out. [0:20:29] It's very bland. [0:20:29] It's very gray. [0:20:30] It's slop. [0:20:31] It's AI slop that winds up coming out the other side. [0:20:36] And yeah, no, this interesting or this idea of distributism, this is something that I've been trying to take the audience here, you guys in the chat. [0:20:45] I've been trying to take you guys down that road a little bit because I do think that it is worth another look. [0:20:52] You know, the idea kind of came on the scene and just immediately, you know, there was so much pressure that was being put on the Western governments because of Bolshevism. [0:21:05] People didn't really have a chance to sit back and really think about these ideas and think things through. [0:21:11] It was just like, if we don't get up and fight right now, they are going to slaughter us. [0:21:16] And so, of course, you had the rise of national socialism, fascism and stuff like that. [0:21:22] And so I think right now, you know, we are kind of in this in this period where we have the liberty, I think, to to think and be a little bit more deliberate about which direction we're going to go. [0:21:34] But what are your thoughts on the American political system? Because it's especially right now, the youth are basically given. I don't even know if they're given two options. Basically, they're just being presented with socialism. You know, you're unable to buy a house. You know, most people, I think what is the average age of a first time homeowner now is 40. [0:22:00] Most people have to work two jobs to make ends meet. [0:22:04] You're saddled with debt from your college, you know, two, three hundred thousand dollars in student loan debt so that you can get a Ph.D. [0:22:12] So you can actually get a job as a barista at Starbucks, you know. [0:22:17] And so we're seeing the rise of people like Mom Donnie. [0:22:21] We're seeing public executions of health care workers like what happened with the Mangione character in United Health Care. [0:22:32] What's your outlook on American politics in the near future? [0:22:39] So one of the things that the Chester and Society did a few years ago was we finally did come up with a better name for distributism. [0:22:48] And the name we came up with was Localism. [0:22:54] It really accomplishes all the things that distributism wants to do. [0:22:59] And it also provides, in one word, what the solution is, too. [0:23:02] Everybody, when I say the word localism, you understand immediately what I'm talking about. [0:23:07] You understand that we should buy locally, that we should be involved with local government, [0:23:12] The local government is actually more important than state or federal government because we are involved with decisions that directly affect our life. [0:23:24] We can't make any changes at the top. [0:23:27] It's just that's out of our range, out of our scope. [0:23:29] But we can make changes locally. [0:23:33] And that's how we're going to change the society is by doing it in our own neighborhoods. [0:23:38] and, you know, first in our families, then in our neighborhoods, [0:23:42] then in our local communities. [0:23:45] That's the only practical solution to the problems that are going on. [0:23:48] But it does mean, you know, getting that message out there, [0:23:54] telling people that you don't have to fall for this party or this party, [0:23:59] which are going to essentially give you, you know, so much of the same. [0:24:03] Yeah. [0:24:03] Because they're all big, they're all centralized, [0:24:06] and they're all trying to make everybody the same [0:24:10] and do their thinking for them [0:24:11] and not allow anybody to think for themselves. [0:24:14] We believe in a democracy, [0:24:16] but we don't believe in a democracy. [0:24:19] Neither political side really believes [0:24:23] that people are smart enough [0:24:25] or ingenious enough to make their own decisions [0:24:29] and rule their own lives. [0:24:32] They all want to, [0:24:33] it's just they want a different minority to rule them. [0:24:36] and uh and so the the common person has to fight back and say no i want to make my own decisions [0:24:44] i want to make my own decisions about what i eat what i wear what i read how i educate my children [0:24:50] and i don't want the government or a big corporation that's named after a river [0:24:57] in brazil telling me i have to do yeah yeah now i will ask i mean it does you wrote uh you wrote a [0:25:07] book a few years ago called beyond capitalism and socialism and uh chapter i just i only contributed [0:25:14] to that book yeah but i yeah got it well your contribution chapter i wrote right there chapter [0:25:19] four i was gonna say i mean you you did kind of explicitly avow distributism back then uh what's [0:25:24] Yeah, that's because we hadn't come up with a new word yet, Dave. [0:25:27] Oh, OK. Got it. [0:25:30] Yeah. [0:25:30] But I mean, distributism is what we avow. [0:25:32] We do avow it. [0:25:33] We just we now give it a different name. [0:25:35] Right. [0:25:35] I mean, I like the word distributism just because it kind of provokes a conversation. [0:25:42] People immediately go, wait, what? [0:25:44] You want you want to redistribute property through the government? [0:25:48] And it's like, no, no, no. [0:25:49] Let's let's go back. [0:25:50] And you can kind of give them a history lesson. [0:25:52] You can kind of give them an economics lesson. [0:25:53] And so I found it useful, at least in my rhetoric and whatnot. [0:26:00] But yeah, I think it's I think it's absolutely fascinating, Dave, how the word was so useless for so long. [0:26:07] I mean, I've been I've been at this for over 30 years and, you know, you just didn't get anywhere when you're trying to explain the word. [0:26:14] And now people are embracing the idea, and it is in part because of the work that the Cheshire Society has done and the publicity that we've done, what we've published, and what other publishers have done too. [0:26:28] But the irony is that everybody hated the word for so long, and now we've come up with really a better word, and people are saying, well, I kind of like distributism. [0:26:40] Right. [0:26:40] But it is going to provoke an argument. [0:26:45] You say, yeah, it's a good way. [0:26:46] It's going to start an argument because right away, people will think it's socialism. [0:26:52] That's always where the starting point is, and it gets kicked out out of hand. [0:26:56] But you say the word localism, and both on the left and on the right, people will say, oh, well, yeah, that makes sense. [0:27:07] Right away. [0:27:08] Yeah. People, people on both sides of the spectrum say, yeah, I get that. I like that idea. [0:27:14] Yeah. Now, just to reinforce a little bit of what you said, this idea that, you know, you're going to get the same thing from both parties. [0:27:21] You know, we talk about the uniparty, of course, that's been a meme that's been floating around out there. [0:27:27] But just over the weekend, you know, the Republicans had this this midterm convention, which they've never had before. [0:27:33] It's like the first time in history. It's like, hello, this should be a sign that we're not doing too hot if we've got to have like a pep rally, like a high school pep rally, you know, just a couple of months before the election. [0:27:49] And it's incredible to see all of the MAGA influencers because Trump came out and he offered to give everybody a $5,000 check if we reelect a Republican majority in both the House and the Senate. [0:28:08] And it's just incredible to me to see all these MAGA influencers that are, you know, socialism is bad. Communism is bad. And then all of a sudden Trump comes out and this is an explicitly socialist policy to just start cutting checks and handing out money. And they're like, this is wonderful. This is great. You know, he's he's the best thing since sliced bread. [0:28:28] Um, so it is pretty ironic, I think, to see, uh, just how the, the cult of personality around Trump is just, it's incredible. [0:28:39] Uh, you know, now, um, Chesterton, he kind of started off as a socialist, didn't he? [0:28:48] Oh yeah. I mean, every, everybody, every young man of his generation was a socialist. [0:28:52] they were all reacting against [0:28:55] industrial capitalism and the big [0:28:57] factories and the [0:28:59] belching smoke and the [0:29:01] abused children [0:29:02] there's a line attributed [0:29:05] to Chesterton [0:29:06] and it's been attributed to many people [0:29:08] but I've never found [0:29:11] the actual source of it but it's basically [0:29:13] if a man's not a [0:29:15] socialist by the time he's 20 [0:29:17] he has no heart but if he's still [0:29:19] a socialist when he's 40 he has no [0:29:21] mind [0:29:21] and um and and so you know it it was something that young young uh you know emotional but also [0:29:33] young intellectual men recognized that you know we got to fix our society our society is really [0:29:38] badly broken and and yeah they lean towards socialism but they also knew quickly that wasn't [0:29:45] a workable solution. It was, it was very unsatisfying from the beginning. And, you know, [0:29:52] when they, when they came up with, uh, you know, Pope Leo's idea of widespread ownership, [0:29:59] they realized that's the answer. That's the solution we need. [0:30:03] Yeah. Yeah. And I couldn't agree more, uh, with the, with the take about, you know, local, um, [0:30:09] focusing on local politics, this has been something I've been bitching about for years now. [0:30:16] You know, I got involved in politics back in 21. I ran for school board, then I ran for governor. [0:30:22] And it's like, I mean, it was fun. It was certainly a learning curve, but it's like, [0:30:28] you know, we'll sit on these apps, we'll consume media and complain about things that are happening [0:30:34] internationally, things that are happening at the national level. And it's like, there's [0:30:39] absolutely from for 99% of us that are out here, there's nothing that we can do to affect any of [0:30:47] that. Um, but when it comes to local stuff, you actually, you actually can, you can do quite a lot [0:30:54] locally. Um, and so I feel like people should be spending like right now, 80% of the discourse is [0:31:01] talking about international politics. Uh, and I feel like you should be spending 80% of your time [0:31:06] working on local stuff. And we've been seeing, we've been seeing a lot of really good [0:31:12] fruits from that up here. I'm going to put them on blast. Uh, our Andy, uh, we have a new mayor [0:31:19] up here in, uh, post falls, Idaho, where I live. Uh, he was just elected last November [0:31:26] and he has been kicking ass and taking names. This guy, um, they just arrested 14 or 15 [0:31:36] illegal aliens up here, actually, because they signed, I'm not going to find it, but we signed [0:31:43] a agreement with ICE. I think this might be it here as part of the 287G partnership with ICE. [0:31:51] There it is. They arrested 13 illegal aliens up here. Now it's up. Oh, there it is. Now it's up [0:31:57] to 15. And it's like, this is not hard stuff. You know, he signs a document, enters a partnership [0:32:05] with ICE and the local police just start driving around job sites and asking for people's cards. [0:32:12] And, you know, when they're illegal, they're just rounding them up and shipping them out. [0:32:16] It's like, this is what we should be doing. This is actually working as opposed to, you know, [0:32:22] whatever's going on. I mean, I know in Minnesota, Minneapolis, that was a whole, a whole. [0:32:27] Which is where I'm from, you know, that's where the policy was, we're, we're going to just have [0:32:35] our police sit on their, on their hands and not enforce the law. And yes, guess what? People got [0:32:40] killed because there was nobody keeping order. There was nobody keeping order. And sure enough, [0:32:46] people got hurt, got killed. Yes. Yeah. That's a great way to run the police, isn't it? [0:32:51] Jeez. But yeah, this, you know, and it's, it's interesting too, to see how this dynamic [0:32:55] is going to wind up playing out in the country. I'm not sure if we're quite there yet. Uh, you [0:33:01] We've been dealing with this, they call it anarcho-tyranny in places like Portland, Seattle, where they're allowing criminals to roam free. [0:33:12] People that are murdering people will get bonded out immediately or released on their own recognizance immediately, and then they'll go and kill again. [0:33:24] It's just incredible. [0:33:25] But imagine if we had people that were focused on improving their local areas, getting mayors elected that will work with ICE. [0:33:34] You know, this is an actual solution as opposed to just going on X.com and complaining. [0:33:41] So I don't know. [0:33:43] There you go. [0:33:44] I mean, it's truly most most people in most cities don't even know who their local councilmen are or their aldermen. [0:33:52] they don't even know who they are and they're wondering why things are being run so badly well [0:33:57] you know the people that get involved sadly are usually non-breeders so they don't have families [0:34:04] to take care of uh and if you're taking care of a family it gives you less time for politics but [0:34:09] it's families that need to get out there and have a better influence in local government because [0:34:16] that's who should be represented is the family not the strange and weird individual [0:34:22] interests which will always undermine the family. Yeah. And I can't remember what I was reading. [0:34:27] It was something that I was reading recently because the family, at least, you know, [0:34:32] especially from like a Catholic perspective, the family is the basic unit of society. [0:34:39] And so the government should be oriented, I think, in more around families. I mean, I'm also, [0:34:46] I'm a proponent of one family, one vote. I don't think that, I don't think that the mass and [0:34:52] of like literally everybody. Uh, I don't think that that's actually been good. Um, but you know, [0:35:00] we, we wind up, Oh, I forgot where I was going with that. Dang it. I have ADHD. So my brain will [0:35:05] go nuts. Well, I'll finish your thought for you, Dave, cause I think you're, you're going in the [0:35:09] right direction there. Yeah. If the family is the basic universe society, not the individual, [0:35:15] and not the community either. [0:35:20] Everything in the state, in the government, [0:35:22] should be focused and determined to nurture the family [0:35:28] and protect the family. [0:35:30] The family's interests are the most important [0:35:31] because the family is what creates our new citizens, right? [0:35:35] They're the ones who make our future citizens. [0:35:40] And most people should agree that the family [0:35:43] is better suited for raising children than the state is. [0:35:48] However, in the 20th century, that argument came under suspicion [0:35:53] because of socialism, the idea is, no, the state's actually better equipped [0:35:57] to raise your children than you are. [0:36:00] And we made public education more powerful than the authority of parents. [0:36:07] and that has really created probably more trouble and more distress in our society [0:36:15] because public education does not represent the family at all. [0:36:20] True, absolutely true. [0:36:24] Now, what did Chesterton, because I haven't, obviously, I haven't been able to read like [0:36:29] everything that he's done. [0:36:30] I've read a couple of his books. [0:36:31] I've read a few of his articles. [0:36:32] um did chesterton do any writing about immigration uh immigration policy i mean i'm not really sure [0:36:41] if that was the a pressing pressing issue at the time um i mean obviously yeah he i mean you know [0:36:49] america has always been a unique nation right uh because he he was european and the idea of a nation [0:36:55] in Europe was that it was a very organic thing. [0:37:00] You know, people had usually the same culture, [0:37:04] the same view of the world, [0:37:09] the same religion in each nation. [0:37:13] And the foreigner was always recognized [0:37:16] as someone who was a true outsider. [0:37:18] Now they were respected, their rights were respected, [0:37:20] but the idea was that we didn't want the foreigner [0:37:23] running our country, we want to run our own country. And so, you know, in that sense, [0:37:30] he established, you know, what his philosophy was about immigration. Now, he also understood that [0:37:37] America, you know, was a nation of immigrants. It was developed in a completely different way [0:37:44] from any European country. He said it really was the only nation ever founded on a creed. [0:37:48] you know it it set out what its values were at the beginning it laid out what it was it believed [0:37:54] and and he said you know he gives high praise to thomas jefferson's declaration of independence [0:38:01] that he said these are truths that we you know hold as self-evident that that we're all men are [0:38:07] created equal they're endowed by their creator so all gifts our rights come from god uh and and [0:38:14] these are the basic rights that every, every person deserves. [0:38:18] Chester loved that document. He said, that's, that's a beautiful document. [0:38:22] It says our rights come from God and, [0:38:25] and that self-government is, is, [0:38:27] is truly the way you have a democratic system. [0:38:32] That's what, that's what freedom is. It's governing yourself. [0:38:36] It means self-control. It doesn't mean doing whatever you want. [0:38:40] Freedom means self-responsibility. And that's, [0:38:44] that's why we have human dignity um and and so uh he said everybody was entitled to that uh who [0:38:50] comes to america but um but it does it does mean you're recognizing that it's god giving you the [0:38:59] rights and uh you know there's certain responsibilities that go with that so you know [0:39:07] the the problem with uh you know our our present immigration system is there's certainly no control [0:39:13] There's no, they're not recognizing the authority who lets someone become a citizen. [0:39:21] When there's, Chesterton is very clear that a nation is defined by its borders. [0:39:27] So he couldn't be more prophetic than that. [0:39:31] Yeah. [0:39:31] No, I mean, he certainly hit the nail on the head and was way, in my opinion, way ahead of his time. [0:39:37] We've got some other stuff that we're going to dig into on that as well. [0:39:39] A lot of issues that he he covered extensively, but it was a little little ahead of his time. [0:39:47] But, you know, talking about this immigration thing, this was something that went super viral, actually, over the weekend. [0:39:54] This guy, Beau French, I think he's running for office down in Texas. [0:39:59] This is incredible. This is a picture of the University of Texas graduation ceremony and not a single white person in sight. [0:40:09] Not a single American in sight. It's all Indians. It's absolutely incredible. And so and I don't think, by the way, that this tweet is that out there. [0:40:18] You know, he said, I heard UT graduation this year looked like this. I didn't believe it. [0:40:22] The problem is now obviously far worse than anyone imagined. [0:40:26] And in response to this, the bishop of Dallas Fort Worth came out. [0:40:35] No, it'd be Austin. If it's University of Texas, it'd be Austin. [0:40:37] Well, where is this guy from? Let's just make sure. [0:40:41] No, he's Fort Worth. Yeah, Olson's Fort Worth. [0:40:43] Yeah, so he comes out and says, this is racist and sinful rhetoric that seeks to harm and divide. [0:40:50] It's disturbing that it's coming from a candidate. [0:40:53] And it's like, he's not even saying anything. [0:40:56] He's not saying anything about like, oh, well, we should like deport these people. [0:41:00] He's not saying we should put these people in camps. [0:41:01] He's just like shocked that this is what the school looks like now. [0:41:06] And this is not the first thing either that has come out recently about this. [0:41:13] There was a tweet, I think I have it on my profile, from a couple of days ago. [0:41:20] There was this new bishop. [0:41:23] I forget his name. [0:41:25] My brain is blanking. [0:41:27] Here it is. [0:41:28] Here it is. [0:41:30] Who is this guy? [0:41:32] Robert Boxy? [0:41:33] he's America's youngest bishop from the Diocese of Washington, [0:41:38] essentially calling the Catholic Church racist for not having enough black bishops. [0:41:44] And it's like, I made the comment, I think critical race theory has really started to [0:41:48] seep into the USCCB. What are your thoughts on this? Because I think that this is just, [0:41:56] it's gone so far. I remember when I was first, because I'm a convert too, [0:42:02] You know, I actually converted. I was on the left. I was a communist. I was an atheist. And that whole thing hit me like a ton of bricks. But it's like I remember when I was converting, going through and reading Thomas Aquinas and Aquinas's system for immigration, I think, is very common sense. [0:42:19] basically that if you immigrate to another country, that you wouldn't have the right to vote, [0:42:25] you wouldn't have the right to any kind of governance. Your children wouldn't either, [0:42:29] but your grandkids would, because it takes about three generations to become fully assimilated [0:42:35] into a culture. Even the triple melting pot idea, which I don't really subscribe to, [0:42:41] even the triple melting pot had that idea of three generations until, you know, they were [0:42:48] fully assimilated and able to govern. What are your thoughts on the USCCB these days? I know that [0:42:55] you are a little bit more plugged in to the main line. I mean, you know, having a show on EWTN and [0:43:01] all of that. So certainly I don't want you to get in trouble, but it's like, you know, they're [0:43:06] accepting money for the resettlement of migrants. There's a lot of white people out here that are [0:43:11] dealing with despair and hopelessness. You know, their homes are going away. The economy is [0:43:19] god-awful. And we've got bishops that are complaining that there aren't enough black [0:43:24] bishops. Like, what are we doing? What are your thoughts? Well, I think, you know, first of all, [0:43:31] we'd have more black bishops if there were more black Catholics. And, you know, we've done a very [0:43:35] poor job of evangelizing the blacks [0:43:37] in the Catholic churches. [0:43:40] They're far [0:43:41] underrepresented, and [0:43:43] that's because we haven't done a good job [0:43:45] of evangelizing them. [0:43:47] A lot of black Catholics in [0:43:49] Africa, the church is on [0:43:51] fire there, I'll tell you. [0:43:54] It's really [0:43:55] a dynamic [0:43:56] group of believers. [0:43:59] And also, they're getting martyred [0:44:01] like crazy in Africa, too. [0:44:03] Talk about [0:44:04] the blood of the witnesses of Christ there. [0:44:08] Catholics are getting slaughtered in Africa. [0:44:11] But the church is growing in Africa too. [0:44:14] And the bishops in Africa are not mealy-mouthed at all. [0:44:20] They stand up and defend the faith very vigorously. [0:44:24] You know, it's always the weakness of every bishop [0:44:28] is that they want to be nice guys. [0:44:30] They want to get along with people. [0:44:31] And of course, it is the most difficult position there is. [0:44:36] Chesterton himself brought up the fact that his patron, St. Gilbert, refused three times to become a bishop because he said that's the surest path to hell is to become a bishop. [0:44:50] And so it is a danger. [0:44:53] That's why we always are told that every Sunday Mass, you know, now we're going to pray for the Pope. [0:44:58] We're going to pray for the bishops right now. [0:45:00] We have an obligation, a duty to uphold these men because they are under such tremendous pressure. [0:45:08] And they're always in danger of saying things that are very hard to take back after they said them. [0:45:15] And they're always tempted to take the social stance rather than the theological stance on things. [0:45:25] There is a Chesterton line that I quote every day, Dave, because it seems to come up every day. [0:45:35] And Chesterton says that when a society breaks apart, as our society is doing right now, he says two things happen. [0:45:44] The vices run wild and they do great damage. [0:45:48] but he said the virtues also run wild and the virtues do even greater damage because the [0:45:55] virtues become separated from each other and are wandering alone and the virtues actually start to [0:46:00] do war with each other too because they're not cohesive anymore you don't have a cohesive [0:46:06] philosophy so you'll have people who who on the one side care only about the truth and people [0:46:13] on the other side who care only about pity. But the people who care only about truth, [0:46:19] their truth is pitiless. And the people who care only about pity, their pity is untruthful. [0:46:26] And that's very much the divide that we see right now. We see people who are very orthodox in their [0:46:31] beliefs, but really unsympathetic to a lot of suffering that's going on because they're just, [0:46:36] it's truth without pity. They don't have any compassion. On the other hand, there's people [0:46:41] who are filled with compassion, filled with pity, but they're not connected to the truth. [0:46:46] And that's why they come up with some very bad ideas, just because it's the compassionate thing [0:46:51] to do. You have to have, you can't compromise either one. You have to have both truths. You [0:46:56] have to have the doctrine right, but you also have to have the mercy right and the sympathy right [0:47:03] at the same time. That's what the church is supposed to do. And that's what each of us [0:47:08] has to strive to do too. No, absolutely. You know, and there's been, I don't know how to put it, [0:47:13] but like, you know, I'm more of a traditional Catholic. I go to the Latin, oops, sorry. I go [0:47:18] to the Latin mass and there, there is this kind of, I don't know if it's apathy or what, but you [0:47:25] know, I, so like up here, you know, we talked a little bit in the intro or whatever, there's this [0:47:30] big abortion initiative going on. And as it turns out, one of the primary signature gatherers for [0:47:37] this abortion initiative is a woman named Suzanne Gallus, a Catholic, a prominent Catholic here in [0:47:45] North Idaho that was going door to door, collecting these signatures to make abortion legal again [0:47:50] in the state. Then she started going around doing interviews saying that it is because of her [0:47:57] Catholicism that she is pro-choice and for reproductive justice. And so I started showing [0:48:04] these newspaper clippings or, you know, screenshots essentially, uh, around, uh, to a bunch of [0:48:10] different people at all the, cause we've got everything up here from the SSPX, FSSP, the [0:48:15] set of a cantist got very Reverend Nova Sordo. Um, you know, uh, and so total hodgepodge and I'm [0:48:22] showing this to everybody and I'm like, uh, have you written to the Bishop about this? And everyone's [0:48:29] like, no, no, no, I haven't. And so I was like, you gotta be kidding me. So I wrote to him, I wrote [0:48:34] them. I called them. I started getting other people to write and call the bishop. And then [0:48:38] within a couple of days, he actually came out with good statements. He started making videos [0:48:43] and the diocese got involved with a political action committee to actively oppose the abortion [0:48:49] thing. And I don't know what it is about, you know, us trad Catholics or in general, you know, [0:48:58] I feel like we need to be leaning on these bishops a little bit more and kind of giving them a hint as to what we need. [0:49:08] Have you experienced that, that kind of disconnect? [0:49:13] Well, the thing that I'm involved with most is Catholic education. [0:49:17] You know, I started a school called Chester and Academy here in the Twin Cities 18 years ago. [0:49:25] and it's a Catholic classical high school. [0:49:29] And it's had a very profound effect in that it has been copied [0:49:33] and reproduced all around the country. [0:49:37] There's over 100 Chesterton Academies now in the U.S. and in nine other countries. [0:49:42] And, you know, to go out and start a new Catholic school [0:49:45] is usually not a popular thing to do with a bishop. [0:49:49] Bishops are always afraid of what's going on with their existing schools [0:49:53] and they're worried that somehow we're going to be competition for them [0:49:57] and they're going to lose students. [0:49:58] But what we're trying to do is make Catholics. [0:50:02] And what bishops like about our schools is that, well, we send young men to seminary [0:50:08] and there's a lot of conversions and lives are changed [0:50:13] and people are being educated. [0:50:15] They're learning how to think and they're realizing, yeah, [0:50:19] maybe our Catholic schools need a little bit of an overhaul here [0:50:24] because look at the growth of this school here. [0:50:27] And, you know, we're not doing anything radical. [0:50:29] We're novice or no people, right? [0:50:31] We're not traditionalists or anything. [0:50:35] So, you know, we aren't trying to overthrow a system. [0:50:39] We're just trying to educate our children. [0:50:41] And that's what we care about. [0:50:43] It's all done out of love for our children, [0:50:45] but it's all done for love for the faith too. [0:50:47] and it is done out of respect for the bishop and for the church. [0:50:51] And the bishops respond positively to this when they see this is happening around the country. [0:50:57] And so, yeah, we're trying to do something good. [0:51:00] And the bishops respond positively to that. [0:51:04] You know, when you go at them and say, look, your schools are lousy. [0:51:08] What are you going to do about it? [0:51:09] You know, that doesn't, that's not encouraging for a bishop to hear that. [0:51:13] But when we say, look, we've put together a school here that we just sent you to seminarians. [0:51:19] No, it's like that. [0:51:21] It's good. And this is something that I did want to make sure that we brought up. [0:51:26] Thank you for bringing it up. We've got the link to this in the show notes below. [0:51:30] I'm always trying to give people solutions. And of course, if you're sending your kid to public school, there's I don't know if you're sending. [0:51:36] but I mean, pretty close at least at this day and age. Uh, but yeah, these, these Chesterton [0:51:42] schools, they are popping up all over the place. There's one, uh, actually up here. Uh, I think [0:51:47] it's in Spokane Valley, um, Spokane property at the Chesterton Academy of Notre Dame. Um, [0:51:56] but yeah. So how long ago did you say that you started these? You said 18 years? [0:52:00] The first one started in 2018. The one in Spokane started less than 10 years ago. [0:52:04] Oh, wow. Wow. That's incredible. And so, yeah, you've got schools all over the country. That's awesome. Yeah, I mean, we do, you know, the education of children is such an important thing. And yeah, the Catholic schools aren't doing too hot these days. But yeah, for everybody that's watching, if you do have, now is it co-ed? [0:52:28] Yeah, it is. [0:52:28] It's co-ed. [0:52:29] But, you know, when the school gets big enough so you can have two sections in each grade, then you can have some classes, some single sex classes, which is a great benefit, too. [0:52:38] OK, nice. [0:52:39] Yeah, because I'm a big I'm a big supporter of segregated education, you know, boys and girls. [0:52:46] I remember I actually I wrote an article or some sort of essay and I stumbled on it several years ago. [0:52:52] I guess it was in seventh grade and I was complaining about boys being in the same room as girls because it was distracting and, you know, just all over the place. [0:53:03] You couldn't focus. [0:53:04] But the main thing is that boys think they have to act stupid when they're around girls. [0:53:07] That's that's the main problem. [0:53:10] No, it's true. [0:53:11] It's true. [0:53:12] But, yeah, no, you know, we are coming close to the end. [0:53:15] And the last thing that I wanted to bring up, you know, about Chesterton and about all of this that, you know, of course, people can dive into more. [0:53:22] You know, he was so ahead of the curve at identifying issues that are still haunting our society today. [0:53:32] And one of these things that over the past couple of years it has really opened up is, I guess you could call it the Jewish question. [0:53:41] And so there is this account called Chesterton Daily, which never ceases to amaze me. [0:53:46] over on X, he'll pull these old quotes from G.K. Chesterton and they just go absolutely viral. [0:53:57] You know, this one recently, what is called anti-Semitism is simply enlightenment. [0:54:03] And, you know, he did a lot of work with Hilaire Belloc about this issue. And, you know, [0:54:11] there's been this debate that's happening in the public square. We saw it play out with Carrie [0:54:17] Prejean Bowler, uh, with the Religious Liberty Commission, the way that she got kicked out, [0:54:22] escorted out, you know, uh, ridiculed, uh, by some of these people. But it's just amazing to see [0:54:30] how clearly Chesterton saw the problem and his kind of prescriptions for it. Now, correct me if [0:54:39] him wrong, but I think Chesterton in his time was a little bit of a Zionist. Is that true? [0:54:47] He was a Zionist. So the situation, you know, Chesterton's been accused of anti-Semitism and [0:54:52] he wasn't anti-Semitic, but he did make some provocative comments about the Jews. And when [0:54:58] they're taken out of context, like sometimes when they're just a one-liner, like you were using, [0:55:03] Sometimes they could be violently misunderstood, and it's not quite fair to just take one line like that. [0:55:10] But his purpose of being a Zionist, and remember, this is before Israel existed, [0:55:18] he was arguing that in Europe the Jews were a nation without a country, [0:55:24] that they were a group of people that didn't have a homeland. [0:55:29] and he argued that they should have their homeland restored now if it wasn't going to be in [0:55:35] Palestine it needed it should be somewhere now he was arguing that Palestine would be the the [0:55:41] most logical place for it was their historical homeland but he knew that there would be [0:55:45] difficulties doing there but he was very much a Zionist in terms of of helping um you know [0:55:53] promote the idea of a Jewish homeland again, which is what Zionism was. [0:55:59] And, you know, the first president of Israel, Kayim, what's his name? [0:56:06] Wiseman, invited Chesterton to come to Palestine to visit, you know, [0:56:14] this was, you know, 20 years before. [0:56:17] Why did I think it was David Ben-Gurion? [0:56:20] No, no, David Ben-Gurion was later. [0:56:22] He was later, yeah. [0:56:23] And so it's so ironic that Chester's accused of anti-Semitism when the Zionists loved him and asked for his support. [0:56:36] He's really been treated unfairly, both by Jews who accused him of anti-Semitism and by non-Jews who accused him of anti-Semitism. [0:56:45] But, you know, the problem is, he says, you know, you have to talk about the Jews like you do about everybody else. [0:56:50] And it seems like you can't do that. [0:56:52] You always get in trouble if you do. [0:56:53] Yeah. Now, it's so incredible. He wrote this book, I guess it was 1920, The New Jerusalem, right? [0:57:01] Yeah, 1919, yeah. [0:57:02] And it's just amazing. I got a PDF of it, and of course, using AI, I had AI go through and summarize it. [0:57:11] But it's incredible. Chesterton was emphatic that Zionism would only succeed if Jews actually worked the soil. [0:57:19] He was drawn to the agricultural angle of it and scornful of what he took to be the alternative, which was a scheme financed by international bankers that would install a Jewish governing and owning class over an Arab peasantry. [0:57:37] that outcome he argued would reproduce in Palestine exactly the relation that he objected to in Europe [0:57:46] and that it would be a betrayal of the whole idea and of course here it is 2026 over 100 years later [0:57:54] with perfect hindsight and what happened what happened it's it's just incredible to to have [0:58:02] seen the issue that clearly and, and to just really, I think, knock it out of the park. And, [0:58:08] and you're right, you know, these, these publications, the New Yorker, uh, Edinburgh [0:58:13] University Press hit him, Times of Israel calling him a virulent anti-Semite. Uh, what was this? [0:58:21] The Latin Mass Society even, I think has, has engaged in, in some of this, uh, which it's [0:58:28] The idea that the traditional Catholic teaching on the way that Catholics and Jews should live together, the idea that that's hateful or anti-Semitic or evil in any way is repugnant, I think, to the faith and to people that have their faith. [0:58:45] So I've actually written a book length treatment on this question, which I'm still I'm still writing. [0:58:52] It's it's over 500 pages right now, but oh, wow. [0:58:54] Really dealing with it as thoroughly as possible, because certainly if Chester's cause gets open, a lot of people are going to be bringing this up. [0:59:01] And it's you know, it's so sad because it's such a small part of what he wrote. [0:59:06] It just it's it's so big how he gets blown out of proportion in terms of everything else he wrote. [0:59:12] But people want to talk about it. [0:59:14] And so we try to deal with it as thoroughly as possible. [0:59:18] I have some short and more concise ratings about it that we're going to be posting on our website. [0:59:23] Sure. [0:59:24] Yeah, you can go to— [0:59:25] But, you know, what you're saying about, you know, the whole—what he said about Israel is true about everywhere. [0:59:32] It's only going to, the only solution for, is that if we all work the soil more and we [0:59:37] return to the land and we don't become a bunch of wage slaves controlled by just a few owners, [0:59:45] that's true of Israel, but it's true of America and every place else. [0:59:48] The solution is widespread ownership and people doing things for themselves. [0:59:53] It applies to the Jew and the non-Jew. [0:59:55] Yeah, no, I totally agree. [0:59:56] Now, something else that I've noticed, and it, man, it's awful to see. [1:00:05] And I don't know, maybe we shouldn't go into this, I don't know, but there was a woman who I know was also very involved with Chesterton. [1:00:12] It actually led her to her conversion, this woman, Dawn Eden Goldstein. [1:00:17] I know that the two of you have had correspondence over the years. [1:00:20] I think the G.K. Chesterton Society actually gave her an award at one point. [1:00:25] um, was it back in 20, 2019 or something? I can't remember, but you know, she came out and I've got [1:00:33] this clip and I'm just, I'm shocked that somebody specifically her would, would say this. Let me [1:00:40] play this real quick. You don't have to play it. I guess I'd like to interrupt there because [1:00:46] Dawn, you know, I've known Dawn a long time and, uh, she really, she read too much stuff on the [1:00:53] internet and she read a really bad book and that became her source of information. And it was, [1:00:59] it was sad that she, you know, was so convinced by a really poorly written book, you know? So [1:01:05] she is a friend of mine. I don't want to say anything bad about her, but she, she did go [1:01:09] down a, you know, a route that I wish she hadn't, but I don't want to get into it with her at all. [1:01:16] Yeah, no, that, and that's totally fine. It's totally, but it's, it's incredible. You know, [1:01:20] I've seen, I've seen stuff like that happen. Uh, and it's just, I never, I never understand it. [1:01:25] It's like, it's always at a left field. And then it's, they just, they usually shut their ears. [1:01:32] They stop listening to reason. They stop listening to arguments. I'm not talking about Dawn [1:01:36] necessarily. I'm talking about in my own, in my own life, but, um, but yeah, but I mean, it is, [1:01:41] it is pretty incredible. And so of course, uh, Chesterton and Belloc, uh, they've, they've [1:01:47] written a lot about this. And I think that, uh, I think that going back to the things that they, [1:01:52] they taught is super important, especially now, because with the internet, we have seen [1:01:57] this wave of, uh, you know, and I hate that. I do hate the word antisemitism because it doesn't [1:02:02] really mean anything. Um, but there are a very large group of people that are actually promoting [1:02:08] hatred, hatred of Jews. It's just really sad. It's unbelievable. But Chester and Billock warned [1:02:15] that this would happen again. [1:02:17] They warned it'd be a return of hatred of the Jews. [1:02:23] So it's just something we have to always work against. [1:02:26] But the key is, it's really a local problem. [1:02:31] It deals with localism. [1:02:33] We have to take care of our neighbors. [1:02:35] And if our neighbors are Jews, we've got to take care of them. [1:02:37] We've got to protect their rights, but we also have to protect that they fulfill their [1:02:44] responsibilities to the rest of the community. That's what localism is. And Chesterton and [1:02:50] Belloc, always misunderstood by people who just hear a few of their lines and kind of knee-jerk [1:02:57] react against them. They preach Catholic charity and Catholic wholeness and Catholic holiness. [1:03:05] And that's going to be the solution. It's always going to come down to love God and love your [1:03:08] neighbor. Amen. Amen. I couldn't have put it better. Couldn't have put it better. And I've [1:03:12] got to thank you, uh, because this is one of these quotes from Chesterton daily. We need to be able [1:03:19] to talk intelligently about this and with charity. And, and there is just, I feel like so little of [1:03:25] that, uh, anymore today. Everybody wants to get angry. Everybody wants to, to, to start shouting [1:03:32] at one another. And it's like, no, no, no, we need to be able to be intelligent, whether it's [1:03:38] with this issue, whether it's with the economy or, uh, you know, any of the other myriad of issues, [1:03:44] uh, that Chesterton has dealt with in his, in his corpus of work. Uh, so yeah, let me, uh, [1:03:52] let me just pull up, uh, all of your websites again is chesterton.org. You can find out more [1:03:59] about Dale there. This is chesterton.org slash Dale Alquist. Uh, the main website, chesterton.org. [1:04:06] Of course, your book, and we've got a link to this in the show description below, Localism, Coming Home to Catholic Social Teaching. [1:04:16] We do have a, what is it, it's like an affiliate, Amazon affiliate link. [1:04:20] So I'll get like 50 cents if you buy the book. [1:04:24] But it's more important that you read it. [1:04:26] You could also buy it from the Chesterton site. [1:04:29] You know, buy it from chesterton.org. [1:04:31] That would be more local. [1:04:32] True. [1:04:32] And another book on the Chesterton website, The Outline of Sanity. [1:04:39] Do you want to give just a quick thumbnail of this? [1:04:43] Sure. [1:04:44] That's Chesterton's actual explanation of how distributism works. [1:04:48] And that one is not even available on Amazon, so you can't buy it from Amazon. [1:04:55] You're forcing localism. [1:04:57] There we go. [1:04:57] Yeah, you're forcing localism. [1:04:59] It's a new edition. [1:04:59] The book's just 100 years old this year. [1:05:01] So Joe Grabowski, one of my associates who works with us, he's done a great job of providing some notes and some focus. [1:05:12] And I also wrote an introduction to it. [1:05:15] Very nice. [1:05:16] Very good. [1:05:18] Well, Dale, thank you so much for joining us. [1:05:21] It's been a pleasure. [1:05:22] Uh, and again, I've just, I, I really want to see people, um, putting the phones down and picking up books. [1:05:32] That should be like for the last half here of, of 2026. [1:05:36] I want to see that happening. [1:05:38] So thank you so much for joining us. [1:05:40] Read Chesterton. [1:05:42] That's what you got to read. [1:05:42] All right. [1:05:43] Awesome. [1:05:44] Well, God bless and have a great night. [1:05:46] Thank you. [1:05:47] God bless you, Dave. [1:05:48] Cheers. [1:05:49] Awesome. [1:05:50] Well, that's, uh, that's incredible. [1:05:52] the GK Chesterton Society. [1:05:54] Thanks again to Dale for coming on the show. [1:05:56] It was really great. [1:05:59] We are going to do a couple of quick ads, [1:06:02] and by popular demand, [1:06:03] we are going to go ahead and play that clip. [1:06:06] Who is it? [1:06:08] It's Thomas Ryan down there in the chat. [1:06:12] And now, by the way, let me just double... [1:06:14] Tom, you're the one that's... [1:06:17] We're like talking on the phone, right? [1:06:19] You're like calling me. 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And so, uh, visit odggsupply.com. You will be happy that you did, [1:09:17] especially in one of those moments when you, uh, need to be prepared like the, uh, like the Boy [1:09:23] Scouts taught us. Also got to shout out above time coffee roasters, makers and purveyors of [1:09:30] delicious coffee, pro white, local, freshly roasted, fair trade, all of the above and more [1:09:40] at abovetimecoffee.com. Use promo code backlash 10. You'll get 10% off your order. Now, uh, [1:09:48] But, you know, I thought about it and I wasn't sure. [1:09:51] And I was like, well, maybe Dale will, you know, be able to comment and talk about this. [1:09:57] And of course, I didn't want to put him in a bad situation. [1:10:00] I knew that he and Dawn had, you know, a couple of back and forths. [1:10:05] I and Dawn have had a couple of back and forths, actually, back when I was working for E. Michael Jones. [1:10:11] I remember she was trying to stir up a bunch of controversy around him. [1:10:15] there was her there was some other guy at camera which is this weird group about the middle east [1:10:21] and they you know they were trying to attack him and get him excommunicated by bishop rhodes [1:10:27] but um you know here's a woman don eden goldstein who you know she started writing to dale [1:10:38] started getting involved with the gk chesterton society she started reading gk chesterton while [1:10:45] she was actually Jewish, and it brought her to conversion. She converted to Catholicism. [1:10:51] So that's a good thing. That's a great thing. You know, getting baptized, [1:10:56] giving your life over to Christ, this is precisely what we want for our elder brethren in the faith. [1:11:05] but she then turned around and did this which is i think despicable take a listen to what she says [1:11:17] ah hold on there we go harmful for jester to be ah ah we're on 2x speed my apologies [1:11:27] let's bring it back a little bit lent some effort to that because dale alquist of the [1:11:32] Hold on. [1:11:34] I'm talking about that because I feel like it's the church's decision, and I didn't want to push it too hard. [1:11:39] Chesterton's important to me, whether or not he's a saint. [1:11:43] But still, I lent some effort to that because Dale Alquist of what was in the American Chesterton Society asked me to. [1:11:53] For the record, today, I think it would be quite harmful for Chesterton to be canonized because what I now know about is anti-Semitic writings, which I wasn't fully aware of before. [1:12:09] Yeah, so that's my next question is... [1:12:12] She said that it would be harmful, harmful for G.K. Chesterton to be canonized by the church. [1:12:23] Because of his anti-Semitism? [1:12:27] Bro. [1:12:29] This is not good. [1:12:32] I mean, of course, [1:12:34] this former Jewish lady would come out [1:12:38] and say something like this. [1:12:43] Surprising to absolutely nobody. [1:12:46] But, you know, you can go watch this if you want. [1:12:48] This whole podcast, by the way, should be in the bin. [1:12:52] It should be in the can. [1:12:54] Smart Catholics. [1:12:55] This was published three years ago. [1:12:59] But yeah, she goes on this whole, it's like an hour long. [1:13:03] I listened to it last night and I just, you know, I wanted to. [1:13:09] It's awful. [1:13:11] It's absolutely awful, you know. [1:13:13] And she goes down the same roads of dispensationalism, [1:13:19] basically this idea that, oh, Jews can be saved by being Jewish. [1:13:25] You know, so she's of this opinion, you know, typical. [1:13:29] And this is very typical of the modern Catholic catechesis. [1:13:35] You know, when you convert to Catholicism, [1:13:39] you've got to leave everything else behind. [1:13:42] You've got to leave it behind. [1:13:44] Yeah, God, as my judge said, [1:13:45] Sounds like what that lady from EWTN who got hired at the Vatican said. [1:13:50] Precisely. Precisely. [1:13:52] This is a huge issue for the Catholic Church right now, that we do need to be, we need to arm ourselves with the truth. [1:14:00] We need to arm ourselves with the proper rhetoric. [1:14:04] But yeah, there is this big push right now. [1:14:06] And I've been mentioning this on the show. [1:14:08] Our friends at Integrity Magazine have been doing an excellent job of pointing out these issues, the assault essentially on traditional Catholic teaching when it comes to the Jews. [1:14:26] and you know here's an article great article you should go read it by the way came out just a [1:14:33] couple weeks ago about how israel is partnering with u.s backed kosher catholics to push zionist [1:14:41] propaganda and so this is the coalition against or co the what is it catholics against anti-semitism [1:14:50] like what are we a hebaric way what what is this and of course this is just propaganda this is [1:15:00] you know the state department essentially of israel coming out and weaponizing words [1:15:06] against catholics you know i did a space last night talking a little bit about this [1:15:12] you know the opus amici israel the way that they tried changing the good friday liturgy [1:15:19] This is, of course, what the entire show last Wednesday was about. [1:15:23] And another book that we've got to recommend that you read, [1:15:26] Know Thy Enemy by Father James Monsley, [1:15:29] which is the Catholic answer to the Jewish question. [1:15:34] We've got to have charity. [1:15:36] We've got to cling to what the church has always taught [1:15:39] and what the church teaches is that everybody needs to be baptized [1:15:42] and that you need to go through the Son if you want to get to the Father. [1:15:46] You can't reject the Son, right? [1:15:49] What does it say? He who who is antichrist, but he who rejects the father and the son. [1:15:56] So, yeah, I mean, this is just such a huge issue. [1:16:00] And it's just it was so disappointing when I saw that video from from Dawn Goldstein or whatever her name is to come out. [1:16:10] And after all of the good work, after everything Chesterton had done for her in her life, bringing her to the Catholic faith, bringing her to baptism, the Ark of Salvation, and then to turn around and say that he's an anti-Semite, therefore he shouldn't be canonized. [1:16:28] It's just incredible how, you know, there's like a switch. [1:16:32] There's a switch that can get flipped, if you will, on certain people. [1:16:40] Most of the time it's boomers. [1:16:44] But yeah, just absolutely incredible. [1:16:48] And also very incredible too. [1:16:50] You know, again, it's true. [1:16:52] Chesterton was a Zionist. [1:16:54] But we can't judge him. [1:16:56] We can't judge him and his Zionism from the lens that we have today. [1:17:02] We have the benefit of knowing about the Nakba, which happened in 1948, [1:17:09] when the founders of the state of Israel essentially genocided the Palestinian people. [1:17:14] They went town to town. [1:17:17] Have I talked with you guys about the Dariassin massacre? [1:17:24] Have I chat? [1:17:26] Have I told you about Darius? [1:17:28] And this was April 9th, 1948. [1:17:33] Okay. [1:17:34] During the revolutionary struggle against the British mandate to found the state of Israel. [1:17:45] And groups like the Irgun and the Lehi. [1:17:49] These were terrorist groups. [1:17:52] Okay. [1:17:53] These were terrorist paramilitary groups that went from town to town massacring Palestinian Arab villagers, including women and children, which is precisely what we've been seeing happen in Gaza for the past couple of years. [1:18:18] Let me read you this passage real quick. [1:18:21] this was [1:18:23] from a statement [1:18:27] made in 1981 [1:18:30] from 5am till 11am [1:18:35] there was a systematic slaughter [1:18:36] with them going from house to house [1:18:39] from the eastern edge of the village [1:18:41] nobody came out unhurt [1:18:42] whole families were slaughtered [1:18:45] at 6am in the morning [1:18:46] they caught 21 young people from the village [1:18:48] about 25 years old [1:18:50] they stood them in a row near where the post offices today and executed them. Many women who [1:18:56] watched this horrifying spectacle went crazy, and some are in institutions to this day. A pregnant [1:19:04] woman who was coming back with her son from the bakery was murdered and her belly smashed after [1:19:11] her son was killed before her eyes. In one of the Concord Village houses, a Bren machine gun was set [1:19:19] up, which shot everyone who got in its line of fire. My cousin went out to see what happened to [1:19:27] his uncle, who was shot a few minutes before, and he was killed too. His father, who went out after [1:19:33] him, was murdered by the same machine gun, and the mother, who came to find out what happened to her [1:19:39] loved ones, died beside them. Eish Yadin, who was a guard at Givat Shol, came to see what was [1:19:48] happening and he was killed too. Okay. So we have the hindsight, we have the benefit of knowing [1:19:58] what happened over there with the founding of the state of Israel. And that was nothing, [1:20:06] absolutely nothing like what GK Chesterton had envisioned. He thought that this project [1:20:15] of Zionism would be like a back to the land, a return to the land thing with Jewish people [1:20:21] moving out there and meeting all of their own needs, farming, getting food, governing themselves, [1:20:30] and, you know, fitting in to what was there. That's what he envisioned. That's what he wrote [1:20:36] about in his book in 1919, The New Jerusalem. And of course, like we read with Dale that was on the [1:20:46] show, precisely what he warned against is exactly what happened. Oh yeah, EC2 is talking about the [1:20:58] King David Hotel. Yeah, absolutely. You're right. They blew it up. The Irgun, the Lehi, [1:21:03] They were the ones that engaged in blowing it up. [1:21:08] And so I don't think we should judge Chesterton too harshly on his Zionism because, you know, he was kind of in a way being led down the garden path. [1:21:18] Also, you know, there was that article from, you know, there was that article from Churchill, right? [1:21:25] And at the time, there were basically two sides. [1:21:29] There was the Bolsheviks and the Zionists. [1:21:33] And so the English nationalists, if you will, they sided with the Zionists because A, they thought that it would get them out of the country. [1:21:45] And B, they were against Bolshevism and communism and whatnot. [1:21:52] And so, of course, that whole thing just ended in disaster, total mess. [1:21:56] And now we have what we have today, genocide, murder, murder of the innocent and political control, undo as if there is a due level of foreign influence in our government and other governments. [1:22:15] but uh but yeah so let's we should not judge uh chesterton harshly on that and i do think that [1:22:23] he was a saint i think that he was a saint of our time he dealt with these issues took the bull by [1:22:30] the horns and uh you know it was quite prophetic there's another book it wasn't written by [1:22:38] Chesterton. And, uh, I'm not seeing it on this side. Is it, ah, here it is. This book. [1:22:48] And by the way, this book is, uh, this is on the reading list. And that's something, [1:22:52] uh, too, that we are going to be, uh, promoting a little bit more here on the show, uh, which is [1:23:01] thebacklash.net. [1:23:04] And we've got a new tab up here [1:23:06] called Books, Books. [1:23:10] Backlash Book Club. [1:23:11] And so this is one of the books on there [1:23:13] by Hilaire Belloc, [1:23:15] who was a very close friend [1:23:17] of G.K. Chesterton. [1:23:21] And this book was written, [1:23:23] what year was this written? [1:23:24] This was in 1922. [1:23:28] 1922. If you haven't read it, you got to, you got to read it because again, I, and this is [1:23:38] something that I just don't understand about Chesterton and Belloc and father McNabb as well. [1:23:43] There's a great book of his that you should read from our friends at IHS press, Nazareth or social [1:23:49] chaos, but they were able to see very clearly, very early on a, all of the consequences of this [1:23:58] struggle. All of the consequences of, you know, Jewish supremacy, Zionism, what would have, [1:24:04] what has been happening in society with capitalism and the centralization of money and power. [1:24:11] Belloc was able to see it. Chesterton was able to see it. And they tried to deal with it, [1:24:16] with charity, with love, with the church's traditional teachings and pray for them, [1:24:23] Pray for him. Pray for him to be canonized because that's exactly what we need today. [1:24:30] Belloc was right about so much and he was so ahead of his time. [1:24:36] So anyway, I think that should satisfy our friend Tom Ryan, who wanted me to go ahead and play that clip. [1:24:47] Of course, you can go and watch that entire video with Don Goldstein. [1:24:51] It's just heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking. [1:24:53] let's see what else we've got to we may as well talk about our new partner in crime ihspress.com [1:25:02] they've got a whole slew of books that are absolutely required reading one of them is this [1:25:09] Nazareth or social chaos my father Vincent McNabb he was an Irishman Dominican theologian a preacher [1:25:17] a distributist, a social critic, mystic, and a man of action. [1:25:23] And so this book is outlining the problems of modern society, industrial society, [1:25:30] and what needs to happen to see our way out to the other side. [1:25:40] And essentially, the idea is that the family, which we talked about earlier, [1:25:46] The family needs to be our own little Nazareth. [1:25:50] We need to be our own little retreat, [1:25:55] our own getaway from the modern world [1:25:58] where we can raise our family, [1:26:00] we can raise our kids in love and righteousness [1:26:02] and teach them the faith [1:26:04] and teach them all the things that are good, true, and proper [1:26:08] so that, God willing, [1:26:12] when there is a restoration of the church, [1:26:16] And when there is people in office that are open to the kingship of Christ, that these little Nazareth's that have been established as oases, oases all over the country, that they will then be able to kind of band together and help reform and reshape society in Christ's image with Christ as the king. [1:26:42] And of course, there is no other book publisher in the world that focuses exclusively on the Catholic social teaching of the church. [1:26:53] That is IHS Press's entire thing. [1:26:57] And so they've got all kinds of books by G.K. Chesterton, as well as Jean Husset. [1:27:04] This is another book. [1:27:05] By the way, I need to get this to our winner. [1:27:07] We gave away a copy of this. [1:27:09] We're going to be giving away more copies of books. [1:27:12] Another one to read is Ethics and the National Economy by Father Henrik Pesch. [1:27:18] This, of course, is a critique of modern monopolistic capitalism. [1:27:24] You've also got The Last of the Realists. [1:27:27] This is a biography of G.K. Chesterton. [1:27:30] So if you are inspired and want to read more about G.K. Chesterton, [1:27:35] And this absolutely would be the book by Harold Robbins. [1:27:39] This would be the book to read. [1:27:42] They've also got, like I said at the beginning of the show, books like [1:27:46] Economics for Helen by Hilaire Belloc. [1:27:53] And this one's required reading. [1:27:56] Flee to the Fields, the Faith and Works of the Catholic Land Movement. [1:28:00] You can get it all at ihspress.com. [1:28:05] And of course, there is a nice handy dandy link on our website to go to the affiliates page. [1:28:14] You can find all of the fine companies that we have either partnered with or affiliate with or that we have an advertising deal with. [1:28:26] So you can go there, click on IHS Press, and get loaded up on some books. [1:28:31] Speaking of companies that we are partnered with, IdahoTallow.com, makers of fine skincare products, soap and skincare that won't disrupt your endocrine system. [1:28:45] And if you use promo code for life, you will get not only 10% off your order, but you'll also give 20% of the profits of that sale automatically to fight the abortion initiative here in Idaho. [1:29:00] and they also make candles, something that people don't know. [1:29:04] But with these candles that you buy at the store, [1:29:07] a lot of them have like soy in it. [1:29:10] So you're lighting it on fire and vaporizing soy [1:29:13] and then breathing it in. [1:29:14] And you're like, oh, that smells really nice. [1:29:16] But it's also going to make you grow boobs [1:29:18] because that's what soy does to you. [1:29:22] So stay away from the endocrine disruptors. [1:29:25] Stay very far away from them. [1:29:27] Use Idaho Talo and yeah, use promo code for life. [1:29:31] You'll get some money off. [1:29:33] Atlasbullion.com, of course, as well. [1:29:36] If you are sick and tired of being robbed by your government by runaway money printing, [1:29:42] atlasbullion.com slash backlash. [1:29:45] Now, while I have you here and before we go, [1:29:48] I was going to say that there has been a little bit of an update on the Brother Nathaniel situation, [1:29:53] the unfolding saga, of course. [1:29:57] of, uh, this absolute disaster. You know, we got a call, we got a call, we got the call. Um, [1:30:06] but brother Nathaniel called a friend of mine and he was like, I want to be Catholic. [1:30:11] And so we went ahead and helped bring him to church. I was working on getting him set up [1:30:21] with a priest to talk to, a catechist. [1:30:26] And because we didn't bend over backwards for him [1:30:31] and because we treated him, [1:30:34] the priest treated him like anybody else. [1:30:38] He didn't like that. [1:30:39] He didn't like that one bit. [1:30:43] That is brother Nathaniel. [1:30:46] And so he flipped his wig. [1:30:48] He's been on the internet slandering everybody, calling people pedophiles and liars. [1:30:56] And so because of this connection with the Society of St. Pius X, of course, I go to mass with the Society of St. Pius X. [1:31:07] I trust them when it comes to how they educate people in the faith. [1:31:12] I trust them to teach the Catholic faith whole and unadulterated and unaltered, right? [1:31:23] Because of that, you know, there is somebody out there who hates the Society of St. Pius X [1:31:32] and will do anything to take cheap shots at this group of priests that are trying to be faithful. [1:31:42] And of course, that person is the one and only E. Michael Jones, [1:31:48] whose toenails need to be clipped, among other things. [1:31:56] And so E. Michael Jones thought that he was going to get some cheap shots in at the society [1:32:04] by bringing Brother Nathaniel on his podcast. [1:32:09] Well, how do you think that went? [1:32:12] Did you guys watch the stream? [1:32:16] I've got a clip for you. [1:32:18] Are you ready for it? [1:32:19] If there are little kids, [1:32:22] I must warn you [1:32:23] that there is foul language [1:32:26] in this clip. [1:32:28] Yes, question for Brother Nathaniel. [1:32:31] I'm a convert, [1:32:32] and I understand that humility is important [1:32:35] as a Catholic. [1:32:37] I don't see any of that in you. [1:32:40] Okay, shove up your ass, okay? [1:32:41] I'm not into this thing. You want me to go like this? [1:32:46] You know, St. Paul said nobody worked in me of all the apostles [1:32:52] the greatest [1:32:54] That's not really humility [1:32:57] Okay, get them off. I don't want this crap. I'm not into it. You read the prophets. You're not gonna see humility [1:33:05] Take your sacrifices and throw it on your faces [1:33:08] But no one knows the prophets. [1:33:12] I'm not into this thing, Michael. [1:33:14] Oh, you little girl singing, dude. [1:33:18] Why do the children love me so much? [1:33:21] Why do the mothers bring up their children and take pictures with me? [1:33:24] Oh, I'm not on script, dude. [1:33:30] Wow. [1:33:31] Wow. [1:33:32] Holy shit. [1:33:37] Shit. Pardon my French. [1:33:41] That was a total disaster. [1:33:45] A total train wreck. [1:33:49] Please, for the love of God, for the love of your neighbor, [1:33:55] pray for Brother Nathaniel. [1:33:58] He's deeply troubled. [1:34:00] He's not well. [1:34:03] He's not well at all. [1:34:04] I mean, take it and shove it up your, dude. [1:34:14] I can't tell if he's possessed by demons or if he's just mentally unwell. [1:34:21] Oh my God. [1:34:23] Anyway, please pray for brother Nathaniel and pray for E. Michael Jones as well. [1:34:30] We've been going back and forth. [1:34:31] Of course, E. Michael Jones slandered me a couple of years ago. [1:34:34] you'll remember that he claimed that I told him to do a Hitler salute. And of course, [1:34:43] nothing could be further from the truth. There was a video that we were recording back in the day. [1:34:50] And it was the God has a plan for your life video. And he started doing this Hitler salute. [1:35:00] okay [1:35:01] and I told him [1:35:05] I was like Dr. Jones you shouldn't [1:35:07] be doing that [1:35:08] in front of a camera [1:35:11] and he just kept doing it over and over again [1:35:15] and then [1:35:16] a couple of years later unprovoked [1:35:19] he calls me an FBI agent [1:35:21] and says that I [1:35:23] forced him to do it even though by the way [1:35:25] this clip this image [1:35:27] never [1:35:28] leaked, never got out. I sat on that thing. I didn't want to harm E. Michael Jones or his [1:35:36] public image or any of that. And anyway, so he chose to defame me. So I had to defend myself [1:35:43] and I had to release the video footage. I'll play it for you real quick. I don't know if we ever [1:35:47] really played it on this show. So Dave Riley was an employee of Culture Wars, Fidelity Press, [1:35:54] And I decided I'm going to do a video. And so Dave was in charge of that at this time. And so we're walking down to the South Street Bridge and Dave turns around to me and he says, give the Hitler salute. [1:36:09] Be careful throwing that hand gesture around. [1:36:20] What ceremony? [1:36:24] now why did he say that he had a camera in his hand when he said that [1:36:35] why did you say that dave i did careful throwing that hand gesture around [1:36:39] why did you want me to give the hitler suit i did and you have your camera in your hand [1:36:43] be careful throwing that hand gesture around what was the point of that the point of that was to [1:36:49] basically blackmail me. [1:36:52] Be careful throwing that hand gesture around. [1:36:54] This guy. [1:36:56] I'm saying this is the type of guy [1:36:58] you're dealing with here. [1:37:00] Be careful throwing that hand gesture around. [1:37:02] Tell me about the Hitler salute. [1:37:06] We were filming a piece [1:37:08] and you were joking around [1:37:09] and you did a salute and said, [1:37:11] that could really hurt me. [1:37:13] No, you asked me to do it. [1:37:15] No, I didn't. [1:37:17] Why would I do that? [1:37:18] To harm me. [1:37:19] To harm me. [1:37:20] No. [1:37:21] Dave, I'm standing. [1:37:23] I will go back. [1:37:24] Anyway, you get the idea. [1:37:26] It got pretty heated there. [1:37:27] I did a, they did a call-in show. [1:37:30] But this is who you're dealing with, just FYI. [1:37:32] Michael Jones is a liar. [1:37:34] Okay, he's a liar. [1:37:36] And anyway, just so sad. [1:37:40] So sad that, you know, this whole situation, right? [1:37:46] Like, Brother Nathaniel's like, oh, I want to convert. [1:37:48] and then E. Michael Jones thinks that he's going to get some cheap shots in on the SSPX. [1:37:54] And so anyway, so for anybody that's wondering about that, [1:37:59] oh, and by the way, people in the chat are reminding me, [1:38:03] Brother Nathaniel is a total gooner. [1:38:07] Total gooner. [1:38:09] Have you seen his tweets to Dasha Nekarovska or whatever her name is? [1:38:15] It's disgusting. [1:38:17] So anyway, we got problems with Brother Nathaniel. [1:38:20] Please pray for him. [1:38:22] He needs to save his soul. [1:38:23] E. Michael Jones also needs to save his soul. [1:38:26] He needs to repent for having lied about me. [1:38:30] Yeah, yeah, EC2 is like, [1:38:32] even if I did tell him to do the Hitler salute, [1:38:36] he could have said no. [1:38:37] He was 74 years old at the time. [1:38:39] The guy has, what do you call it? [1:38:41] The guy has free will, reason, common sense. [1:38:46] He could have said no. [1:38:47] He could have not done it, but he did it multiple times. [1:38:50] And what he was talking about was how Pope Benedict had given a blessing, right? [1:38:59] And they extend both of their hands over the congregation when they give a blessing. [1:39:04] And I think it was Der Spiegel, the German newspaper, cut out one side of his body. [1:39:12] So it looked like he was doing the Hitler salute and he wasn't. [1:39:18] And so that's what we were talking about, if anybody wants more context on that. [1:39:22] But anyway, what a situation. [1:39:25] What a terrible situation. [1:39:29] EC2 said that E. Michael Jones was drunk. [1:39:32] No, he's a dry alcoholic, actually. [1:39:35] He had a drinking problem back in the 70s. [1:39:38] and he got, he dried out, okay, which means that he stopped drinking. [1:39:44] But he never actually dealt with whatever the internal problem was [1:39:49] that caused him to drink in the first place, right? [1:39:53] Like alcoholism, like any kind of addiction, it's a spiritual sickness. [1:39:57] There's something inside of you that happens first, [1:40:01] and then the drugs or the alcohol lessens the feeling of whatever it may be, [1:40:06] guilt, shame, anger. And so while Jones dried out and stopped drinking, he never actually dealt with [1:40:19] the problems. He never actually dealt with what led him to drink in the first place. And so he's [1:40:25] just an angry old man, an angry old liar, actually. So yeah, that's a little bit of color [1:40:34] on the brother Nathaniel situation. [1:40:39] What a sad turn of events. [1:40:43] Yeah, Still Hollow says, [1:40:45] that's the demon of pride right there [1:40:47] with brother Nathaniel. [1:40:48] Yeah, I think you are correct. [1:40:52] And so anyway, we did do, [1:40:54] for those of you that are hungry [1:40:56] for whatever reason, [1:40:57] for more brother Nathaniel content [1:41:01] and commentary, [1:41:02] I did an interview last week, last Thursday. [1:41:06] Oops, that was the wrong button. [1:41:08] I did an interview last Thursday on the channel Cleave to Antiquity. [1:41:13] Great host, great show. [1:41:16] He's orthodox. [1:41:17] God bless him. [1:41:19] You know, they're close. [1:41:21] They're close. [1:41:23] But we did a whole stream, the two of us, about the Brother Nathaniel situation. [1:41:30] No, he is not Catholic now. [1:41:33] J.F. Zimba, no. [1:41:38] No, he's not. [1:41:41] He, Brother Nathaniel, has not made a profession of faith. [1:41:46] He has not abjured his heresies of orthodoxy. [1:41:50] And he has not been received into any Catholic church nor admitted to the sacraments. [1:41:57] so yeah please pray for him [1:42:00] he's going around on the internet [1:42:02] brother Nathaniel is lying [1:42:04] saying that he is Catholic [1:42:06] and he is not [1:42:07] he has not [1:42:09] yeah well he said he was [1:42:12] yeah sure and I can say that I'm a 400 pound black woman [1:42:15] that doesn't make it true [1:42:17] so just because somebody says they're Catholic [1:42:21] doesn't mean that it's true [1:42:24] so anyway you can go to [1:42:26] cleave to antiquity. If you would like to watch that podcast interview slash episode, [1:42:32] I think it was a pretty good interview. And also I cannot, I cannot speak highly enough [1:42:40] of the right wing coalition. That is the RW coalition over on YouTube. I did an interview [1:42:49] with him on Sunday. I mean, we've recorded it, I think on Friday, but it got released on Sunday. [1:42:55] uh great interview great questions we're going to bring him I think his name is Joey we're going to [1:43:02] bring him on this podcast at some point in the future to talk about this because you know there [1:43:08] is a lot going on in American politics and so uh when it comes to this new it's a religion and it's [1:43:19] not just boomer Zionism, but this idea of equality. And, you know, he's got that whole [1:43:27] video about the Clancy trial. But, you know, it's like if you say one negative thing about [1:43:33] the founding fathers, you're a heretic all of a sudden. You know, these people worship [1:43:39] the founding fathers. They treat the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights as if it's [1:43:44] the gospel. And it's not. It's not. I'm sorry. So we're going to have to deal with all of that. [1:43:51] And we talked about that a lot in the Right Wing Coalition interview. So lots of content, [1:43:59] if you haven't watched it already. So thank you all for joining us today. It was a great show. [1:44:05] Once again, big thank you to Dale Alquist for coming on. It was excellent to speak with him. [1:44:11] please go read his books [1:44:14] read G.K. Chesterton's books [1:44:17] and make sure that you have your calendars marked [1:44:21] because this Wednesday [1:44:22] we've got another big interview lined up for you [1:44:25] with [1:44:26] he's actually a doctor [1:44:29] I did not know this [1:44:30] but he's a doctor [1:44:31] do you know about Chuck Baldwin? [1:44:35] Dr. Chuck Baldwin [1:44:38] He is a pastor, of course, of Northwest Liberty Fellowship out in Kalispell, Montana. [1:44:49] And he's very good on these issues of Zionism and whatnot. [1:44:56] So we're going to talk to him. [1:44:59] Oh, I didn't realize this, but he also had a daily editorial on VDare. [1:45:04] Well, that's pretty incredible. [1:45:06] So we're going to check that out on Wednesday. We will have a nice conversation with him. And yes, Still Hollow is correct. We do have a bonfire coming up here in North Idaho on September 26th. [1:45:24] it is a great opportunity for you to meet your neighbors, [1:45:28] to meet other like-minded individuals in the area [1:45:32] and build some of these networks that we're going to need [1:45:35] for a post-social media world. [1:45:39] Because that is where we are going. [1:45:40] We are quickly headed towards, I think, post-social media [1:45:45] because the AI slop is just getting out of hand. [1:45:50] It's getting out of hand. [1:45:51] There's so much of it. [1:45:52] And speaking of AI slop, I'm sorry. [1:45:55] I know that I got to go. [1:45:56] I know I got to go. [1:45:58] But have you seen this video? [1:46:01] There's this video that came out of the Titanic, the MAGA Titanic. [1:46:08] Have you seen this? [1:46:14] Are we thinking? [1:46:16] Actually, this is a massive win. [1:46:22] women and children first [1:46:27] crowder [1:46:33] oh boy move over there's clearly room you haven't established that your refusal to move isn't a [1:46:40] rebush into the existence of space what can't you just swim to safety like a damn whale excuse me [1:46:52] Everything must go! [1:46:57] We're sinking! [1:46:59] Then you'll love our clearance! [1:47:02] Bruh! [1:47:06] Pete, what the fuck is going on? [1:47:10] Mr. President, I believe we hit an iceberg. [1:47:15] An iceberg that's anti-Semitic, Pete! [1:47:18] I think we were hit by an ISIS burqa! [1:47:22] Oh my gosh. [1:47:26] I forgive the iceberg. [1:47:33] This is crazy, man. [1:47:36] Baby, help! [1:47:40] This is crazy. [1:47:47] Thank God. [1:47:49] Just a dream. [1:47:50] I really need that five grand Trump promised. [1:47:55] Oh my gosh. [1:47:56] Anyway, by the way, the person, it has come to my attention because I tweeted that out [1:48:01] and I said, and they say that the right wing can't make art. [1:48:05] And of course, uh, it was need more Amalek, uh, red pilled me on this, that the guy that [1:48:12] made that video and all of those videos of the weird MAGA person, uh, that's a left wing [1:48:18] Muslim making those AI slot videos. Just FYI. So, uh, yeah, we're going to have a problem. [1:48:28] We're going to have to, uh, of course do an episode to deal with that. The right wing has [1:48:32] an art problem. We need to start making our own art. Uh, so just incredible. Absolutely incredible. [1:48:41] What is happening now, of course, with these? [1:48:47] Of course, he was kicked out of 109 churches, and it's never his fault. [1:48:54] There's been a lot of good content. [1:48:56] There's been a lot of good content on the timeline over the past couple of days. [1:49:00] And then earlier today, I don't know if you saw this, [1:49:06] but there was one of the guys over at the Idaho Freedom Foundation, [1:49:11] it's sad [1:49:13] look at this [1:49:14] Parrish Miller [1:49:17] put out a tweet [1:49:18] it was a viral [1:49:19] you know [1:49:20] or a [1:49:20] AI slop video [1:49:21] saying [1:49:23] in a free society [1:49:24] a teenage [1:49:25] undocumented [1:49:25] undocumented [1:49:26] immigrant [1:49:27] can ride a [1:49:28] 45 mile an hour [1:49:29] e-bike [1:49:29] carrying a [1:49:30] 45 ACP [1:49:31] smoking a blunt [1:49:32] while facing [1:49:33] absolutely no [1:49:34] intervention from the state [1:49:35] that's a world [1:49:36] I want to live in [1:49:38] F the state [1:49:38] F gun control [1:49:39] F the war on drugs [1:49:40] F the Karens, F every moralistic mother effer who believes he has the right to limit the freedom of others. [1:49:49] Your preferences are entirely irrelevant outside of the borders of your own property. [1:49:54] Unbelievable. [1:49:56] And so I actually, I retweeted that. [1:49:58] I did retweet that. [1:50:00] And I said that libertarianism is a mental disease. [1:50:08] I said libertarianism is a disease. [1:50:10] And Parrish went ahead and deleted the post. [1:50:14] It's gone. [1:50:15] Uh-oh. [1:50:17] So anyway, just be aware. [1:50:19] Be aware. [1:50:20] You know, ever since I got fired from the Idaho Freedom Foundation, [1:50:24] it is just not, it is not what it used to be when Wayne Hoffman was there. [1:50:30] So anyway, he's the guy, by the way, that rates all of the bills [1:50:34] for the Idaho Freedom Foundation, okay? [1:50:37] your bill raider says that the free society he wants is an illegal alien doing 45 on an e-bike [1:50:44] waving a gun around smoking a blunt yeah yeah anyway follow make sure that you're following [1:50:51] brian lenny he's one of the best legislators in the state of idaho okay and that's going to do it [1:50:58] that's finally going to do it enough of the ai slop enough of the uh the twitter commentary [1:51:04] We're done for today, but we'll be back with Pastor Chuck Baldwin on Wednesday. [1:51:09] I hope you all enjoyed today's episode. [1:51:11] It was very informative, enlightening. [1:51:12] We got to thank Dale for the fifth time for coming on the show. [1:51:17] And God bless all of you. [1:51:19] Thanks for tuning in. [1:51:20] Thanks for helping to make this show possible. [1:51:23] And we'll see you in the future. [1:51:26] Have a good one. [1:51:34] Thank you. [1:52:04] The [1:52:34] Thank you. [1:53:04] Thank you. [1:53:34] We'll be right back.