Episode 42 — From Franco to the Future: Can the Dissident Right Unite? w/ Pete Quiñones

Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones Quinones Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:02:36 ] Welcome to the backlash. This is our first stream today. We didn't have a stream before this. David J. Reilly [ 00:02:41 ] What are you talking about? Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:02:42 ] There's nothing happened. Thank you everybody for coming on over our OBS crash. I apologize about that. Um, I am your host, Rebecca Hargraves. I'm joined as always by Mr. Dave Riley. How are you doing? Are you sweating? David J. Reilly [ 00:02:54 ] I'm sweating a little bit, you know, getting, getting my workout in this morning. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:02:58 ] It's okay. Things always happen on stream. So true. Um, you can find us on X at real backlash. Our website, thebacklash . net. You can support us on subscribestar . com/ slash thebacklash, patreon. com/ slash thebacklash. Send your super chats that will be read if you have any questions for Mr. Pete Quinonez to thebacklash. net/ super chat. And we are trying to aggregate our content, move it over to our Rumble channel, which is Backlash Podcast on Rumble, and our YouTube channel. Real backlash. So we want to get everything over there. It is so hard to start a new YouTube channel these days. There is no organic engagement. It just does not exist. So you are going to have to do this on your own, guys. I'm really sorry. Thank you so much for joining us today. Let's talk a little bit about gold before we get Mr. Kenyon. You are going to have to. David J. Reilly [ 00:03:53 ] Oh, God. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:03:54 ] Who's that bitch? Who is that? David J. Reilly [ 00:03:56 ] Hold on. I got to get the embed so we can get the entropy chat. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:04:01 ] Oh, OK. David J. Reilly [ 00:04:02 ] Going. We're good. We're good. Sorry, what do you need from me? Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 00:04:05 ] Gold. I need all your gold. Give me your gold. Give me your Bitcoin. Give me your gold. David J. Reilly [ 00:04:10 ] You ain't getting none of my Bitcoin. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:04:12 ] Give me all of your money. David J. Reilly [ 00:04:15 ] No, not happening. But if you want to get your own gold or silver, you can go to atlasbullion. com slash backlash. They have some of the best prices in the industry when it comes to buying gold and silver. You can also sign up for Precious metal subscriptions like their diverse subscription, which is a mix of gold and silver or just a straight silver or gold subscription with plans starting as low as $55 a week. You can do that monthly, bimonthly, whatever. We also did a gold giveaway. We did pick the winner. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:04:50 ] We did. And he gave us a really weird name. Totally fake email address. And now we can't give him his gold, which is worth like $1,000. So if that is you, you have to contact us to collect your gold because we can't find you, buddy. And so we are going to give you. We're going to give you 48 hours from the Friday stream because we’re streaming on Friday this week, because he has a thing to do again. Going to the Bitcoin conference. I know. He called me and he’s like, can I go to the Bitcoin conference? It's going to interfere with the show. I’m like, I’m not a monster. David J. Reilly [ 00:05:24 ] Of course. Oh, thank you so much. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:05:27 ] I don’t really have the authority to tell you you can and can’t do stuff anyway. But, you know, this is Dave’s dream. So we’re going to stream on Friday this week. He's leaving right after this. Hopefully going to meet some Bitcoin billionaire donors that just give us their Bitcoin. That'd be great. That is the plan. David J. Reilly [ 00:05:43 ] That is honestly the plan. I'm going to go harass Max Keiser and be like, 'You gave Alex Jones 10,000 Bitcoin and he lost it.' Just give me 10. Yeah, 10. That's all I need. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:05:53 ] Just 10 Bitcoin. It's no big deal. You know, just a million dollars. That's all. Anyway, so from Friday, our show, we're going to talk about this, this giveaway mishap. And if you don't contact us in 48 hours, we're going to have to pick somebody else. And that sucks so much. $1,000. Yep, $1,000 on the table. So please send us an email. David J. Reilly [ 00:06:14 ] You can send us an email, info at thebacklash. net. You can send Kenzie an email. She's emailed you several times. So we'll figure it out. The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:06:21 ] Mr. Big Daddy. David J. Reilly [ 00:06:22 ] That's the name he gave us, Big Daddy. I didn't want to say it, but. Big daddy. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:06:27 ] Without further ado, thank you so much for joining us. Pete, I did have you on my interview show. It was probably about a year ago. We had a great conversation about your transition from libertarianism. So I'm not going to ask you too many questions about that. I don't want to belabor the point. And we did have Michael Rechtenwald on a few weeks ago, uh, and he's really libertarian; he's a good friend of mine, oh he, we had the best discussion with him, it was it was so interesting, so anyway if you want to find Pete, he hosts the Pete Quinones show, you can find all of his links on peteq. Org he has an excellent Substack petequinones . substack . com thank you again for joining us and his Twitter oh yeah of course it's Twitter Pete R. Peter Quinones [ 00:07:07 ] Quinones Peter R. Rebecca and I have the same amount of followers. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:07:12 ] Is that right? Exactly the same number of followers. Peter Quinones [ 00:07:15 ] I'd probably have more if that account wasn't suspended for like three years. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:07:19 ] Mine was suspended for seven years. David J. Reilly [ 00:07:22 ] Wow. What do you do? You tweeted FBI crime statistics? Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:07:25 ] No, I can't even remember. I think I might have dropped a soft A like many years ago. A? Yeah. What's that? Not a hard R, a soft A. Oh, a soft A? I said communist. Peter Quinones [ 00:07:37 ] I said communists should be shot in the streets. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:07:39 ] Oh, I mean, come on. We can all agree on that, right? Surely that's not a controversial opinion. David J. Reilly [ 00:07:46 ] You wouldn't think so. You wouldn't think so. But here we are. The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:07:50 ] For those of you who don't know Pete, he is a force to be reckoned with in terms of historical knowledge. You've done amazing work on the Spanish Civil War. We have a few questions about that. I was geeking out listening to some of your conversations about World War II this week. And then I wanted to start with this question. I was listening to an interview that you did. The name of the interviewee escapes me, but he was talking about a meta-analysis that apparently was very robust that demonstrated that only 20% of the world is able to think critically. 20%, which is a shocking statistic. And we're always talking about the genesis of the right and the dissident right and all of these problems that we have. And I wonder if maybe we have gotten some narcissistic personalities on the right, and a lot of them are people that don't have this critical thinking skill. So I wanted to ask you, do you think this is true based on your interactions with the public, your interactions in real life, that only 20% of people are able to even think critically? Peter Quinones [ 00:08:59 ] Sure. And it's what drives one to vanguardism. I mean, you what we should be doing is we're putting our voice out there and we should be trying to find the people who are the good thinkers, the people who are the natural leaders, the people who are the natural elite class and people who agree with us. And, you know, the normie is. The normie is just waiting to be told what to do. So that's the kind of attitude you should have with them. If 2020 didn't teach you that, I don't know what will. Waking up normies. If you woke up 300 million normies, what would you do with them? You can't organize 300 million people. You can organize 2,000. You can organize 200. You can't organize 300 million. So what you're doing is you're looking for elites, that will be with you and, you know, be the kind of thought, the kind of people who have ideas and the kind of people who can lead. And then you have people who are going to follow or people who are going to support you in your work. Um, things, I mean, you, I don't, my friend Thomas always says we're not Jehovah's witnesses. You know, we're not trying to get people to join us because the kind of people who would be eager to join you are the kind of people that you don't really want. You want somebody who's going to be like, all right, I need to hear more about what you're about, what's going on, but in what your ideas are, but not in such a condescending tone as you get a lot on social media where people will be like, oh, well, I mean, I'm just I'm just questioning you because, you know, you know. It's very easy to tell somebody who's genuinely questioning and somebody who's just like I'm going to try to ask you questions so that I can trap you into right, you know in a corner that's like you can't why are you going to trap me in a corner? I know what I believe and if what I believe doesn't match up with you, leave yeah just go! I mean I'm not going to try to convince somebody that my opinion is Right. You either get it or you don't. And some people it takes, you know, I have people who are like, I stopped listening to you a couple of years ago and now I'm back. I get it. I get, you know, and you know, welcome back. Thank you. Especially if you're somebody who's willing to put in the work and willing to put in the work offline, especially. That's the one straw man that everybody throws at you is like, oh, so what are you doing? It's like, well, if. You don't listen to me, you don't know that I'm doing all these things offline so you just because you're not doing anything offline you think everyone else isn't doing anything offline or you're scared of getting doxxed or you're you know it's like oh you just want to have a meeting so you can doxx me it's like I don't I'm not I'm not a Jehovah's Witness I don't care yeah I don't care I know who I know who my people are it's very easy to tell who my people are so yeah I mean I just don't. When it comes to 20%, I would say maybe 20% can think independently, but I don't want 20%. I mean, I want the 1% of that 20%. They're probably more important to me than anything. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:12:27 ] Right. I totally agree with what you have to say about the Vanguard. And I think there are major implications for the right wing. And this is one of the problems with libertarianism, right? Libertarians are; they chronically and pathologically project their own ability to think critically on The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones everybody. They're like, oh, well, these small communities would work if X, Y, and Z. I'm like, you have to factor in that 80% of these people are retarded. Obviously, you have to do it. Peter Quinones [ 00:12:54 ] Well, one of the problems with libertarianism is libertarianism just proves that they're not collectivist by the fact that as soon as somebody finds libertarianism, they immediately look for other people who are libertarians. It's not like they're like, 'oh, I just found this radically individual.' I'm a radical individualist now. I need to go find other radical individualists. Well, you're just proving the fact that we're not radical individualists. We're collectivists. You just bought into an ideology that says 'we'. I leave you alone and you leave me alone. And, you know, I mean, it just doesn't work. I mean, the way you know that doesn't work is the people who rule the world don't think that way. But they tell you to think that way. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:13:45 ] Yes. Peter Quinones [ 00:13:45 ] And you bought into it. Well, you're a slave now. Yeah. David J. Reilly [ 00:13:53 ] I've thought for several years now, especially about getting into the whole, you know, Edward Bernays thing and then, like, the stuff the CIA was doing in the 1960s with the hippie movement and COINTELPRO and all this stuff. And it's like, You start on like, I can't quite pinpoint when I had the thought, but it's like, Holy shit. I think the American government weaponized radical individualism as an ideology against Americans to combat communism and retain power. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:14:20 ] Holy fuck. Yeah. David J. Reilly [ 00:14:21 ] And it was like, Oh, oh, okay. Yeah. That sucks. I should not be a radical individualist. Because the moment that you try to work with boomer conservatives or whatever, and one has an idea of how to do something one way, and then another has an idea how to do something a different way, slightly different, and then it just blows the whole group up immediately. You know, if you were even able to get 40 people in a room within three weeks, it would have completely disintegrated. Everybody would be going off in their own direction, thinking that they know how to do it better. And we're all individuals anyway, so I'm just going to go do my own thing. And then, poof, it's gone. It's really incredible. I think it was maybe a year and a half ago we had a meeting of some people, and it's like, yeah, this is not going to work. You are all hooked, line, and sinker. You know, drinking up this individualist crap. Right. It's just really funny. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:15:16 ] It's been a huge problem for the country. I think there are major implications for the dissident right, too, because we have failed to identify this vanguard and we have a dearth of leadership. I mean, I look at the dissident right and I'm like, what is going on here? There's massive amounts of infighting, which I have contributed to. And I regret nothing. Me too. I regret nothing. David J. Reilly The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 00:15:38 ] I regret. I regret. You know, the Richard Spencer thing. Do you? I do regret that. I think Richard's a good guy. He's, you know, doing his thing. And I'm sorry. I've told him I'm sorry. I took him out for Thanksgiving dinner. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:15:51 ] Oh, does he accept your apology? Did he kick you right in the nuts? David J. Reilly [ 00:15:54 ] No. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:15:54 ] Oh, well, that's good. David J. Reilly [ 00:15:55 ] No, he was like, I'm actually being more Christ-like than you are. SPEAKER_3 [ 00:15:58 ] I'm like, son of a bitch. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:16:00 ] Touché, touché. But what do you think about the leadership? What should we do on the dissident right? Should we identify five people that we really think represent our worldview and promote them? Or should we allow this to happen organically? Because I think a lot of people are rising up in the ranks where I'm like, no, like you are not the person that I want to be the face of the movement. Peter Quinones [ 00:16:24 ] Historically, when you, I think right-wingers, the best example they can look at is the nationalists in the Spanish Civil War. Yeah, you had the, basically the military Franco. Franco and his troops, you have the Carlist Requetes and you have the Falange. And, you know, the Carlist Requetes are the hardcore Catholic monarchists. The Falange are fascists and, you know, the nationalists. And they came together because they recognized that there was an existential threat and that people were being murdered. It was a different time. I think one of the main problems that we have now is, and this isn't even a joke, well, one, I'll start with this, is ideology has been pushed to the point where what your ideology is and what you believe in theory, theoretical theory cell stuff, is more important than anything else. And you have an in-group where where you all share an ideology. And if one person steps outside of that ideology a little bit, they're in danger of getting cast off by the end group. And as more people live their life online, that becomes a bigger problem because if you have no IRL friends and you're not organizing in real life, it's very easy for people to cut you off digitally. To borrow from Hans Hermann Hoppe, to be digitally removed instead of physically removed from your in-group. And if all of your friends are a group chat on Twitter and you get kicked out of that group chat, now you're out on an island. I've actually seen this in my real life-people spiral because they've been kicked out of their in-group online. So ideology and strict adherence to it as far as not really nailing down what the essentials are. And having all of these, you know, you know, you know it's like in Christianity with the Protestant sect, oh if you don't believe in a physical you know that we'll be able to see Christ in the sky coming back then I can't, you know, we can't fellowship together. It's like well, is he going to come back all over the world or is I mean what, what are we talking about here? Is this going to be televised, this is going to be live streamed to your phone, not everybody's going to see it, not everybody's going to be The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones able to see him, um. So then you have the ideology, the harsh ideology thing. And then I think that this should really be taken seriously, is you have the autism epidemic. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:19:04 ] Oh, yeah. Peter Quinones [ 00:19:05 ] And that causes people to live within themselves so much that they don't, they will allow themselves to have an in-group. But that causes them to focus even harder on ideology because now they have to live within a box. If there's too much external stimuli that's coming in, it causes them to panic and they don't know what to do. So they put themselves in a box of ideology and it causes them to live their life and be a little more orderly, a little more calm in anything that's introduced from the outside that causes them distress. So you also have the autism epidemic where it's like, no, well, I mean, I can't, you know, you know, that person's Protestant, this person's a Catholic, that person, you know, believes in like Italian fascism. And, you know, I believe in, you know, like I'm more Vichy French or something like that. We can't get, we can't get along. And, and I think that that's a big problem. Then you throw in the, the, the Catholic Protestant Orthodox Pagan divides and people can't, people can't get past that, yeah, so I mean, I don't know, I think that the way I look at it and the way I see it now is that, I'm not saying that it will be different in the future but the way I see it now is is that you have to find your people with whom you can, you know, and feel it out. I mean, this may take a couple of years; this is what we're doing with the Old Glory Club-just had our second conference in an hour ago, is that we're bringing people together who are willing to put aside what they consider to be irrelevant beliefs or traces of their ideology so that we can plan for the future and plan in real life and plan in locations, plan by state, plan by county for the coming future. And, yeah, I just, I think there are a lot of people who just won't bend on things. You know, you see this all the time on Twitter. It's like I was doing a live stream yesterday and someone brought up that Ian Carroll and Tucker Carlson had Kabbalah bracelets. Kabbalah bracelets. And I'm like, 'And they're like, well, what do you think about that?' And I'm like, 'I don't think about that.' It's like, because first of all. I have no interactions with Tucker. I have no interactions with Ian Carroll. Let them do what they're doing. Tucker seems to be more on my side than he isn't. Ian Carroll is exposing things that people haven't thought about before, and he's doing it to a different crowd where we may be able to gather some more elite kind of thinkers towards us. And I think what Tucker Carlson is doing is he's not. I think a lot of Tucker Carlson's episodes aren't for us. I think they're for people in power and elite power. They're the people who watch him and he's trying to change their minds and influence them. So as long as it's not anything so far off the rails, I'm not going to sit there and I'm not going to attack Tucker Carlson because of a bracelet or Ian Carroll because of a bracelet. I mean, that's ridiculous. People give me people give me shit all the time. People give me, you know, I wear this bracelet all the time and I've had people go, you know, that has leafs on it. That looks like that looks like I'm like, this is the only copper magnetic bracelet I could find when my. basically my shoulder was completely out of whack i couldn't lift my my arm and like you know over a span of a couple days it caused me to lift my arm again wow it's like i don't care what you fucking think you know so you know oh you didn't care and here's another thing if they're trying to trick you don't you think they know that you're going to look you know oh you mr spurge on twitter Tucker is trying to trick you. Get out of your fucking own ego. I don't agree with everything that comes out of Tucker's mouth. I don't agree with everything that comes out of Ian Carroll's mouth. I think there are things that either of those people are doing, using them as an example, because they're the ones who are brought up on the live stream, that can be useful and can be pointed out and you can point people to. SPEAKER_3 [ 00:23:33 ] I do worry. Peter Quinones The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 00:23:36 ] I don't need someone who is bought completely into the NSDAP's frigging program to be able to be useful to me. David J. Reilly [ 00:23:46 ] I was going to say, there's something that we were talking about this on a Twitter space last week. It was, I guess, what me, Lucas Gage, Sam Parker. Were you there? Yeah, you might have been there. Then there's clearly something that's going on on Twitter. I don't know if it's like Palantir, that's behind this. I mean, definitely the BAP crowd seem to be in this thing where they are pushing a kind of anti-Christian pagan racism, which is kind of interesting. And so it's funny because I tweeted out when I was in Portland, I put this out. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:24:25 ] Oh man, I got a million messages about this. David J. Reilly [ 00:24:28 ] Yeah, I know, right? No, I don't want to promote. Thank you. I'm already paying you enough money, Elon. Thanks for the internet. I said to the race is more important than religion crowd. Portland is majority white and it's the most irreligious metropolitan center in the country. According to Pew, it's also a fucking shithole humans without Jesus or animals, regardless of race. Good luck out there. And it's like, this was a white guy's camp over on Harvey Milk Road or Harvey Milk Street or whatever. Peter Quinones [ 00:24:55 ] Oh, that's, that's. That's great. David J. Reilly [ 00:24:57 ] That's where a white person lives, by the way. But the point is I did that specifically to trigger these people, and they did. And it was overwhelming. It's great. I'm going to get a big payout from that, which is great. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:25:08 ] You think you're going to get a big payout. You're not. David J. Reilly [ 00:25:10 ] I'm going to get a big payout. But the point is that I think that race and religion are important, and I think there's a balance there. I don't think that it's race to the exclusion of religion or religion to the exclusion of race. I think that that's a little bit more of a wider view of this thing. But there are clearly people that are pushing what you're talking about, this kind of like autistic box where like if you step a foot outside of that box, they like flip out. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:25:37 ] OK, let me defend that position a little bit as a non-autistic person. Well, are we sure? Maybe a little a little spurgy. I don't demand ideological, perfect ideological conformity from people, but I am concerned. That bad actors with narcissistic personalities are entering the movement and using it as an opportunity to astroturf our very important positions, particularly on race. So while I see where you're coming from, and I agree to some degree, I look at white people like that, and I'm like, those are still my people. The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones David J. Reilly [ 00:26:13 ] Oh, no, I feel horrible about it. I mean, it's like you go there, and to not have compassion for them, but it's like, how are you going to help them? Right. Are you going to help them by like going up to like a homeless junkie on the side of the street and say, guy, guess what? You're white. It's better now. Congratulations. Peter Quinones [ 00:26:32 ] It's almost like preaching reverse privilege, like some college SJW preaching reverse privilege. David J. Reilly [ 00:26:38 ] Right, right. It's like just awakening a homeless white drug addict to the fact that he's a white man. is not going to, he's probably a drug addict because he's white and he's been attacked for being white and he's smart. And so now you have to help give this guy some sort of moral framework and hope to get out of that. And I just don't see how Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:27:04 ] - Well, you can't do it on the individual level like that. I think that we can all agree that by attacking Jewish subversion, we are going to deal with most of these problems that are trickling down to the lowest levels of the white community. SPEAKER_3 [ 00:27:15 ] Yeah, I agree. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:27:16 ] I used to think, that as long as we're all on the same page about Jews, that we can all have a group in the same way that monarchists, fascists, and conservatives coalesce under Franco. I'm like, okay. But sometimes I wonder, is the outside threat of these minority hordes really going to be enough to allow these massively disparate groups to join forces? And I don't know. I think that as is evidenced by the massive amount of infighting, I don't know that this is possible. What do you have to say about this, Pete? Peter Quinones [ 00:27:51 ] Yeah, I mean, I don't think that these groups are ready to come together yet. It's going to take something something else and even in that, I don't know if they're ready to come together. They yeah, this isn't 1930s Spain, you know. This isn't a coherent one of the things that you know at least the Carlists and the nationalists had, uh, the nationalists and the military had in common was their Catholicism. You know, they saw Catholicism as going there was an attempt to basically destroy Catholicism um in in Spain and I don't know that people are going to look upon their a lot of people. I think there are people people that I associate with who you know look at heritage America as the most important thing that needs to be preserved and needs to be brought back. But I don't see any of this working without like a Spaniard high culture. And we haven't had a high culture in this country. I mean, some would say at least for 100 years, some would say 250 years. Virginia, the Virginia colonies being the height of the high culture. You don't even have a race without a high culture. I agree with Spengler on that. You can, I mean, there are races all over the, you know, you can talk about the, you know, I guess you can talk about Africans as a race. Okay, what's their high culture? We don't even. You don't even look upon them as being self-sustaining. They're more like violent children, you know, like 100 feet tall infants with butcher knives. If you don't have a culture, if you don't have a culture bearing The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones element, and that's probably more of what, you know, I concentrate on and the kind of people that I want to associate with IRL is people who understand. Not what who can articulate what culture is better than than just, oh, well, you know, it was American and apple pie. And, you know, and this goes, you know, there's arts, there's techniques, there's so many things that are included in that. And that's one of the reasons why I think that there's a lot of these groups can't get together because the Jewish subversion right is they don't have a high culture. Israel cannot ever have a high culture. Jews after, I can't look at the history of Judaism for 3,500 years and spot anything that would even look like a high culture, which is amazing because at one time India had a high culture. So these groups that don't get really what the West is, and what Western culture is and where it comes from, that it comes from Greece and that it comes from Rome. I hate when they say, oh, it comes from Jerusalem too, like your Joel Berlinski will say. No, that's not right. And Jerusalem at the time of Christ was completely Roman. Jesus was from the Decapolis. I mean, he would have spoken Greek. David J. Reilly [ 00:31:14 ] They read the scriptures in Greek. Peter Quinones [ 00:31:15 ] They wouldn't have been able to transact if they didn't speak in Greek. And they were very, I mean, how Jewish were they? They weren’t even allowed, according to Jewish law at the time, you couldn’t even use a coin with somebody’s face on it, with a foreigner's face on it. They were using Greek, they were using Roman coins all the time, which went against their, which went against what Judaism was at that time, which was just. and a hybrid of like Babylonian Talmudism in an oral form. So, you know, if you don’t understand that your heritage and that your lineage comes from Greece and Rome, where do you even start? Yeah, I mean, I don’t even know. You know, we have to start from the beginning. And I just, Thomas and I just started a series on continental philosophy where we went back to the Peloponnesian War. Whereas, where you can start seeing actually the downfall of civilization from a thousand years before Christ. So this has been happening for a very, very, very long time. And we've had high cultures in between, but they don't last as long as they used to because high cultures aren't supposed to turn into quote unquote. High culture is supposed to turn into a certain level of civilization, but the kind of civilization we get is the kind of civilization that can be undermined from the inside very easily. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:32:45 ] How can we foster high culture within our current political climate? Peter Quinones [ 00:32:51 ] I mean, it's going to start with small groups getting together and studying the classics and figuring out where we've come from. I mean, that's one of the greatest things, one of the greatest triumphs of the subversion of the quote-unquote, you know, like the Judeo-Masonic order for the last 500 to 600 years, or really. is to destroy what who we are and where we are and especially in the last hundred years especially since world war ii that's when they went on the full offensive because they never really had real power before right they had the they had influence and they had financial power but now they had political power yeah so they're able to go on they control the academy they control everything so if you're if you don't know who you are where you came from and what you're supposed to be As a as a Westerner, you know, the West hasn't existed. People who we all use it as a shorthand, though, the West, the West, the West doesn't exist right now. It's an occupied. It's been an occupied force for over. It's been occupied by an outside force for over 100 years. I mean, just look at Germany. They hate being Germans. They they they they hate themselves. I heard I heard Carl Benjamin say recently and then a friend of mine. Who's from Great Britain, an academic from Great Britain, says that, you know, you ask the question, can you take Britain back? And it's like, most British people hate The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones themselves. How are they going to take it back if they hate themselves? So, you know, we're, to put it this way, to go back to what your question was, We're not even at the point where disparate groups can come in and put aside trivial differences yet because people don't know what they are. People don't know who they are. People don't know what they're supposed to be. So what do you – you can't expect – these people in many ways are arguing over that right now. But most of the people who are arguing over it don't even know what it is, what it's supposed to be. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:35:13 ] Can you talk a little bit about how this relates to the Old Glory Club and its objectives? Peter Quinones [ 00:35:19 ] Well, I mean, we're a historical preservation society. We're a community organizing group. We're a monument restoration society, and we are local organizers. And what we seek to do is we're a fraternity. And what we seek to do is get together. and train up young men for what's to come, for what we see as the subversion of our society and how to mitigate that in ways that are achievable. I don't even think we think trying to take over D. C. or get a vast influence in D. C. is even achievable at this point. It seems to be broken, and it seems that it needs to go away. That's what happened. D. C. basically needs to go away. So the first thing that you really have to get through your head and what we try to put to people is that, okay, while we may have some friends in D. C., we're not thinking that we're going to change it. What we're going to see. We're not a political organization. Politics doesn't really enter. It's about changing the culture and it's about organizing as much as you can locally to do that. And we give our chapters, our chapters are autonomous to a certain extent. You can't, there are certain things you're not going to be fed posting and stuff like that. It's just not, that's not what we're all about. What you're seeking to do is you're seeking to figure out what it is that needs to be either preserved or fought back against in your local area, in your state, in your county, in your city, and organize in order to do that and do it legitimately. Because people operating outside of a local system or a state system and saying, 'oh, we need to raise up militias and stuff like that', that's just not legitimate. It's not seen as legitimate. As much as I'm not somebody who appeals to the public, I'd rather tell the public exactly what they need to think and believe and do. You still need to not have them fight back against you so much that you can't achieve your goals. I think elites understand that. People think that elites, people who work behind the scenes with great influence are able to do whatever they want. No, the last thing they want is a revolution. The last thing they want is to see guns, to see them raised, because that just becomes chaos. And that's not what we want. We want to do things in a legitimate way, which is what is perceived as legitimate. And I think local, county, and in some cases, state politics are probably the most legitimate way that you can actually make change while that system up there is falling apart and we see what comes next. David J. Reilly [ 00:38:31 ] Yeah, I completely agree. And you'd be surprised, I think, when it comes to local and state-level politics, how little people, not to say how easy it is, but People watch Fox News. They get on Twitter. They look at national stuff. And then they have absolutely no idea what's happening locally. They have no clue who their state party chairman is for, like, let's say the Republican Party or whatever. They have no idea. And it's not exactly difficult to figure this stuff out, to pay attention, to network, to be a donor. To, you know, make your voice heard in some small way or to help keep an eye out or whatever. And so I tend to agree with you. I think Cameron is more top-down, like we just need to, you know, everything. But I think that I think you're right. I agree with you. And I think that we can see it in like these different faith communities, like as a traditional Catholic, for example. Like we have the Mass, we have our feast days, we have our church picnics that happen, our processions down the street as a kind of expression of high culture. It's not shared by everybody in the county, but it is shared by like, what, 5,000 people at our church. You know, and then you've got other places like, you know, Doug Wilson and the reform evangelical types that have their little enclaves in their churches. And so I think The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones that you're right. In that it's going to be this kind of outgrowth of these smaller groups throughout the country that are kind of wrestling with this. It's also, you know, hearing you talk, it's also like so amazing to think about like, and because I do this when I meet new people, I'll ask them, you know, so what about your family? Like, what did your grandfather do? What did your great grandfather do? And 99% of people have no earthly idea what their grandparents did for work, where they even came from. Peter Quinones [ 00:40:32 ] But ask a Jew and they'll know. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:40:35 ] They'll go back six generations. That's definitely true. Peter Quinones [ 00:40:39 ] One thing I will say to you is I used to preach getting out of cities. And the reason I did that was I never saw a really good plan for how the right would take over a big city. And I saw some things recently that are changing in my mind. But here's what I will. With that caveat, here's what I will say. The further you get away from cities, the further you get away from Jewish power. I mean, where I live is: there's one guy who goes to my church who has basically chased out two transplants from somewhere else who came in here and tried to put certain books in the library. or say, oh, you can't have prayer meetings in the town park because there's a separation of church and state. One guy did that. One guy. David J. Reilly [ 00:41:36 ] Yeah. One guy did that. This is what I'm saying. Peter Quinones [ 00:41:39 ] Not with a bunch of people. He didn't get the church to go down there. He got on the phone. Yeah. How did he do this? Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:41:48 ] I think a lot of the frustration with people on the right is that People are not in leadership positions are not providing concrete steps to move forward. So I think that we should try to focus on that on our podcast. You do on your podcast. What can people do? Because we are seeing, especially in Coeur d'Alene, we are seeing a lot of infiltration at the local level of government. And I want to know, how do we drive these people out? Peter Quinones [ 00:42:15 ] Yeah, I mean. Really, the only way to do it is to get more power than they do, you know, at that level. You know, I live in a, I live in a small enough town that is, you know, like the, the first two friends I made when I moved here, their families have been here for like 150, over 150 years. So there's a, there's a historical, you know, we're talking about how people don't know what their grandfathers did. These are people who know what they're great and great, you know, know how their people came here. And that's what they've been taught. So they're living historically. And the New Deal regime and the Nuremberg regime have done everything to try to deracinate people from their past because if people know who their grandparents are and who their great-grandparents are, they have a sense of who they are. They're not just a walking annuity for a national bank or for a national investment firm. or for the government, for the IRS, even though they may have to succumb to that and they may have to deal with those organizations, which you almost always have to, at least you know it. The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones At least you have the attitude. You realize who you are, what you're dealing with, how you're being taken advantage of, or how they're trying to shape your mind. And I think that that's probably one of the best ways to start is to just know in your mind that they're not going to defeat you and don't allow them to defeat you. You're my black. Black pilling is. It just doesn't make any sense. I get accused of black pilling all the time because I talk about reality, and it's like, OK, well, this is the reality of where we are. I think we're going to have a civil war in the future. I don't think it's going to be this widespread thing like we had in the 1860s. I think it'll be pockets of local violence. I think that if the left in this country isn't completely destroyed, that it's guaranteed. I think that if the national government isn't completely restructured or if things aren't redistricted or if voting, look. Somebody's going to vote a lunatic leftist in soon. Or in 2028, they'll just steal the election again. And if you think them going after Catholics, you know, Catholic old ladies praying at abortion clinics, you know, under the Merrick Garland regime. Is going to be bad and they're going for people who take a tour of the Capitol unannounced are going to get 10 years in prison. And basically you're going to be called semi-fascist by the president in, in national speeches. Just wait until they get back in power, and they, they want to punish you because you said something nice about Trump or you go to the Latin mass or you. It's going to be worse the next time. David J. Reilly [ 00:45:25 ] Oh, yeah. Peter Quinones [ 00:45:26 ] And nobody, Trump, nobody in his sphere is seeking to destroy the left once and for all in this country. When it comes down to it, the way we're structured, I don't even know what that would look like. Because people, I think that conservatives would stand up and fight back against that. So you have to be prepared in the future for the point where your mortal enemy will be taking power again and will be gunning for you or your community. You know, I mean, where I live, there's a town an hour away from where I live, which is a little small town, and there's another one about an hour and 20 minutes north of me that got Haitians. I live in fucking Alabama. I live in farm country Alabama. How did they get here? How did they get here if they weren't sent here as a fucking bioweapon to destroy what we are? I mean, they were sent here and sent into a hotel. Who's paying for that? They were sent up north to Albertville to work in chicken processing plants. Who owns those chicken processing plants? Who's doing this? Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:46:45 ] We're very worried about this happening up here. I know it's going to happen. Peter Quinones [ 00:46:51 ] It's going to happen. If it can happen in frigging Minneapolis, where it is freezing balls, you know, half a year, it's going to happen. And I don't, I mean, there's a, there's a town right outside of Montreal that is 100% Haitian. Wow. I mean, the cold isn't going to stop them. What do we do when— A majority of white people aren't going to stop them. Rebecca Hargraves [ 00:47:16 ] What should we do when this happens? It's a virtual inevitability at this point. We talk about it all the time. But I don't think anybody really knows how to behave in the very likely event that the government does this to North Idaho specifically. David J. Reilly The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 00:47:29 ] Well, I mean, I was just going to point out while he was talking, a couple things came to mind. This past weekend, there was a rally in Seattle. Oh, Cali Anderson Park. Yeah, it was a Christian praise and worship event that ended in violence with Antifa coming and bashing Christians physically. And then, of course, the mayor comes out and then releases a statement, basically standing on the side of Antifa. And then. In Washington state, again, earlier this month, we had a new law that was put into place that basically makes confession, keeping the seal of confession illegal. So, you know, if you go to confession with a priest and then the cops go and ask the priest, well, what did this person tell you in the confessional? And if the priest doesn't say so, he'll go to jail. So, you know, we're already starting to see. Peter Quinones [ 00:48:22 ] That's the priest. That's the priest's job then. He's supposed to go to jail. That's what he signed up for. David J. Reilly [ 00:48:29 ] Yes, yes, completely agree. But what I'm saying is we're seeing this play out, and I don't think anybody is; they're all thinking J. D. Vance is going to win in 2028. They're not aware of what's happening in the bond market. They're not aware that Bank of America is sitting on, what is it, $100 billion in losses? They're going to go insolvent. This the yen carry trade is unwinding. We are financially fucked as a country. There's no way around it. We've been talking about this for several months now. And I don't think the Republicans; I mean, I don't even think they're going to win the midterms, let alone the presidency in four years or three years at this point. And whatever's coming after Trump is going to be 100 times worse than anything that was ever before Trump. I mean, these people are organizing locally. They're doing these protests. They're kind of penetration testing. They're getting their ducks in a row, and they're very good at it, and they're paid to do it. Peter Quinones [ 00:49:34 ] Yeah, if you're not following Mike Shelby on Twitter, follow Mike Shelby on Twitter because he is the one who follows all of these groups and goes into their, watches their live streams and goes into their... It's grey zone something. It's nothing to do with the grey zone. Blumenthal. Yeah, Blumenthal. It's a different thing. He's former military. He's former intelligence. I've had him on the show recently. He follows these groups and lets you know exactly what they're planning. The government's not going to be able to save you. Here's the way that you know that this government is not really serious. They have the House and they have the Senate. What they should be doing right now is they should be writing law after law after law after law after law, making it illegal to be leftist and passing it on to Trump so that he can sign it. Making it illegal to, I mean, basically changing this. Changing the system and how it works, pushing all these things through. One thing we know from Trump, we've learned from Trump is executive orders that were written in the past, the next president can just overturn them. David J. Reilly [ 00:50:53 ] Have they even passed one law? I'm serious. Have they actually even passed a single law since Trump has gotten in office? Probably an anti-Semitism bill. I laugh so I don't cry. Peter Quinones [ 00:51:08 ] I'm not even concentrating on that. I mean, just leaving the Jew stuff aside, basically the system is designed in a certain way, and it's designed to perpetuate itself. So who's benefiting from the system really wants to destroy it? And even if somebody could figure out how to use the system, to destroy their enemy, like once and for all. Who's going to do that? Most people just don't have it in The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones them. I think one of the main problems that we have, I was thinking about this about the past. I was thinking about Napoleon and I was thinking about Hitler. And I really think that the reason why they were able to do a lot of the things they did is because they had not only the will of the people behind them, but the spirit of the people behind them, that it was almost like they were speaking for a nation. How can you do that in a multicultural, multiracial nation? So even if Donald Trump went in there and the spirit of the people, and he was trying to channel the spirit of the people, there's so many different groups that are vying for power, for influence. You have a black lobby. You have I mean, you have a frigging Somali lobby now. I mean, you have Congress people who say, look, I'm only here to serve serve Somalis. How do you have any kind of cohesion? I don't see that you can, because, you know, if you take into account that, you know, God appoints men, men over nations and kings. Well. In Spain, from 711 to 1492, it was people's Catholicism and people; the fact that people were Spanish or they were Basque, or that they were, it was their identity that caused them to retake the land from the Muslims. And it took 750 years. What's, you know. Here you're going to have to do something with groups of people who share a culture and share even share a race, definitely share a language. So even a national savior, I mean the last chance we had at that was Andrew Jackson, and you know Andrew Jackson was able to do amazing things, whether you like him or you hate him, you don't agree with the things that he did; he was able to do amazing things because the United States was still one thing at that time. Sure, you had competing interests, but they were really one thing, and you really start seeing the breakup of the United States, especially after like you know after the war. Because you had this flood of immigrants come in from Russia and pale of settlement that just absolutely turned everything on its head, and you know at that point, before the war, you had Southerners and you had Northerners and you had people who were going West; and there was still a sense that you were still one people, although that was fading fast. And you wouldn't have had the war if you all agreed on everything. But I mean, I think the causes of the war were a lot more, I mean, they weren't about slavery, but there was a lot more than what most people think. But definitely after the war you had all these groups start coming over here during the war you had what a third or a quarter of Ireland came here during the war yeah i mean people most people don't know that and then you had you know from 1880 1890 this insane influx of palestinian settlement people coming here And then, you know, in 1919 and then when prohibition starts, they basically take power and get rich and run the mob. Everyone thinks the mob was everyone thinks the mob in this country is Italian. Hilarious. Hilarious. Hilarious. David J. Reilly [ 00:55:33 ] You actually you missed something. And I just, I just did a podcast about this a little bit yesterday with my buddy Casey Whalen. That's on my Twitter if you want to go look at that. But we were talking about the labor wars. Everybody misses it. It happened in 1892, went to about 1899, started just about an hour up the road in Wallace, Idaho. And it took off like wildfire and spread all the way down to Nevada, Montana, this fight between the workers and the mine owners. Peter Quinones [ 00:56:03 ] And that was Chicago, especially the most famously. David J. Reilly [ 00:56:06 ] Yes, yes. And and that was. Just prior to prohibition, it was one of these moments when these pale of settlement people came in. They started taking over the unions. They started undermining the ethnic solidarity among the Irish, the Germans, the Italian working class. And then they weaponized these people against, you know, against corporate America, if you will. But back when corporate America was like Henry Ford, you know what I mean? Like back when corporate America wasn't like the worst thing. Peter Quinones The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 00:56:37 ] Not exactly. I mean. And labor, there is a reason why there were labor riots in this country. I mean, Spengler talks about this. Spengler talks about how the fact that people, he compared the city to like a barracks, like the army barracks. Somebody moved to the city to get a job, and they went to that job. They didn't know if they were coming home alive that day. you know there were some huge problems with labor in this country and to point that out doesn't make you a leftist or a commie or anything like that right it was a serious it was it was a serious problem and they understood that in germany in the 1920s they could look back upon that and they could even see it in their own in their own culture so yeah sure you you had people who came here from from palest settlement who immediately started to infiltrate but you also had them that started who took over those companies who started those companies right and work people to death literally work people to death so yeah i'm a little more i'm you know we did uh recently i i do i have a a side project called the inquisition with uh thomas777 myself stormy stormy waters and astral and one of the episodes we talked about was was labor, was a history of labor in this country. And when you go back to that, and when you, especially when you read Spengler, you realize these, it was not, you know, everybody wants to make it into, everybody wants to make it into a black and white thing. It's not, it wasn't black and white. I mean, in many cases, it was black and white. It was that these people were literally working people to death. They didn't really care. They didn't care about them. Yeah. So. You know, I think you know going going into the future really when you look at employment as something that's up in the air with AI, with um, with automation. Are we bringing manufacturing back home? Yeah, I mean, I hear that we are, but are we? If someone said, 'I have a kid, what is what should that kid be studying right now?' I would say, if they can, if they're smart, nuclear power because we're going to need nuclear power to run all of this stuff that they are, they're doing. I mean, AI is going to have to run probably if they want to if it does scale out in the way they expect it to scale out and that's a question as well. It's probably going to have to run on nuclear power and I'm not saying it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be fission. I mean, it could be thorium. I'm not going to say where it is, but I know of a thorium reactor that will be going online within a couple of years. David J. Reilly [ 00:59:33 ] Idaho, by the way, has the largest deposits of thorium in the country. What? You didn't know that? I did not know that. Yeah, yeah. And is it Idaho Strategic Resources Incorporated? I believe it owns most of the claims on that. They're based in Coeur d'Alene. Good company, actually, but yeah. There's this whole Greater Idaho project, which I think is about getting at the thorium and the cobalt. Really? Yes. That's an interesting theory. I don't think it's about liberating the poor oppressed farmers of eastern Oregon from liberal oppression in Portland. I think it's about getting access to the seaport in Lewiston and then being able to export our— Our precious minerals. Right. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:00:14 ] This is an important perspective on the labor market here because it's not feasible to bring manufacturing back in the way that everybody is visualizing it. I mean, we're thinking about, oh, are we going to have are we going to have Detroit of the 1950s again? And like, no, no, no. We need to think about how we can best utilize AI, because until we massively reduce globalization and our dependence on other nations in terms of manufacturing, we cannot compete even if we bring manufacturing back here. And it's not like bringing manufacturing back here. David J. Reilly [ 01:00:47 ] They're going to bring robots to put iPhones together. They're not going to have Americans with like tiny hands screwing iPhones together. Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 01:00:55 ] Put manufacturing back in the old plants. This is going to have to be a bottom-up approach where we absolutely start again from the ground to build things in a way that other nations are using AI. Or we're not going to be able to compete. I mean, alternatively, we could reduce globalization. We're going to have to do these things concomitantly, probably. David J. Reilly [ 01:01:17 ] That's a big word. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:01:19 ] Concurrently? Is that better? Peter Quinones [ 01:01:22 ] The first one sounds a lot more intelligent. Yes, indeed. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:01:25 ] I like to throw it in there every once in a while. Peter Quinones [ 01:01:29 ] Yeah, I don't. It's hard to. You would think that those who are being, you know, forced to bring manufacturing back home, whether by threat of. penalty, taxation or whatever. Well, how far does that go? OK, so you're going to build a factory in, you know, say an hour east of Huntsville, Alabama. OK, so has it been written into have you been threatened with the fact that if that factory is all robots and there's no, you're going to pay a penalty, is it going to be mandated that you have to hire humans? We don't even know what this means. And a lot of it is just to make you feel. I think a lot of it is just to make you feel like they're doing something. And I think a lot of it is just naivete as well. I think that when you have politicians, when you have people who are around politicians, now you may have some people who are, you know, have built businesses or entrepreneurs who are around the people in power, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're 100% for human labor. You know, you know, famously over Christmas, we saw how many people were just basically willing to import infinity to do the work and, you know, and, and Vivek Walecha said in one of his tweets that basically Indians are better than Americans. I remember that he literally just said that. I mean, what do you say? And, you know, mea culpa. I was somebody who I listened to him speak vaguely. I think it was on the Sean Ryan show about a year ago. And he was like dropping James Burnham quotes. He was like talking about he was talking about the administrative state. I had bought into the fact that, hey, this guy, you know, this guy may be on our side. And, you know, mea culpa, he's not. But because when I hear people talking the same language as me, that's like, you know, when you hear people talking the same language as you, you're like, oh, OK, this guy gets it. This guy understands the problem. That doesn't always mean he wants to solve it in the same way you do. So, yeah, my mistake. But, yeah, I don't know what this whole labor revolution is. Is it worth trying? I guess if it's not going to if it's not going to hurt. But people who are depending upon it. You know, I was, I went to my wife's niece's graduation, high school graduation this past week. And, you know, her boyfriend, I talked to him over at Easter dinner and I asked him, I said, well, you gotta, you know, when you graduate, are you going to college? He's like, no, I'm going to work with my dad. I'm going into my father's business. And I hear that more and more now. People are, they're smart. It's like, no, it's not, why would you? The only reason to really go to college at this point is if you want to be an academic and then, you know, seek Canadian healthcare if you do. Or, I mean, I guess, sure, maybe we want some of our people to infiltrate academia, but, you know, good luck. I mean, that's still a, that's a hard uphill climb. But unless you want to be something like a lawyer or a doctor or something that's specialized in engineer, there's no reason that you should be going for a liberal arts degree. There's no reason you should be going for, again, art history degree. The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones Oh, yeah. You'll learn all that stuff online. Anything that comes out of my mouth wasn't stuff that I learned in college. It's all stuff that I learned on my own. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:05:28 ] Oh, I think that's true for all of us, right? Except for maybe Cameron. I'm sure he actually learned some stuff. Cameron might have actually learned some stuff. David J. Reilly [ 01:05:34 ] I went to music school. What do you get from that? Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:05:37 ] Pete, we do have a hard out because he has to get his Vegas on at the Bitcoin conference. But we have a few questions for you from the live chat, I believe. David J. Reilly [ 01:05:45 ] Go ahead. No, go ahead. Oh, okay. Sorry. My bad. Okay, let's see here. First of all, let me, where is this? Reinhardt, $25. Thanks for the big super chat, bud. He says, are we still trusting the plan? Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:06:01 ] Who? Any of us? No. David J. Reilly [ 01:06:03 ] No. Peter Quinones [ 01:06:03 ] I mean, I think that should be, I think that we answered that question. David J. Reilly [ 01:06:08 ] Thank you, Reinhardt. Fourth from the Sun sent $25. Glad to see Pete on the show. You all do great work. Pete is there in Old Glory Club chapter in the Northwest. Would love to join, but it's so far from me. By the way, Rebecca, your hair looks awesome. Oh, well, thank you. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:06:23 ] You know, I'm more than my hair. Peter Quinones [ 01:06:27 ] Northwest, I'm assuming, Oregon, Washington? Yeah. Email theoldgloryclub at gmail . com and ask. You'll get a quick response. Nice. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:06:38 ] The live chat just said, we are the plan. Yes. I mean, I think we need to start relying on ourselves in a more meaningful way. No one is coming to save us. David J. Reilly The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 01:06:47 ] Theoldgloryclub at gmail .com. And follow their Twitter at Old Glory Club on X, I guess. Not Twitter. My bad. Anyway, I'm not saying that. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:06:57 ] I'm just not going to do it. It's okay. David J. Reilly [ 01:06:59 ] What? And Washington Joyer sent $10. I've been pumped for this. Pete, you do amazing work. Please have Cam on as a guest. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:07:05 ] Oh, that would be so wonderful. Cameron McGregor and Pete Quinones. Peter Quinones [ 01:07:11 ] We can set that up. David J. Reilly [ 01:07:12 ] That'd be great. Let's see here. Now we've got a barrage, a barrage of rumble rants from our friend BookTrack Grooves. You sent $10. Pete, do you think monarchy should be brought back? Have you read the book of Judges? How do you dispel the Masonic lodges in your towns? Peter Quinones [ 01:07:32 ] Do I think monarchy should be brought back? I mean, I don't think it's going to be brought back in this country. That's just not part of our culture. Our culture is actually rejecting monarchy. What was the second part of the question? David J. Reilly [ 01:07:42 ] How do you dispel Masonic lodges in your towns? Peter Quinones [ 01:07:47 ] Masonic lodges in my town? If there is, I think there is one, all they do is like clean roads. Yeah. Yeah. The Masons. Most Masonry is, I mean, sure, there are high level Masons in power, but most of the Masonic lodges in your town are where boomers get together to drink beer and like talk about. Yeah. I mean. Please stop. David J. Reilly [ 01:08:14 ] Yeah, I was going to say masonry is no longer the kind of like revolutionary avant-garde that it was at the turn of the 20th century. I mean, we have the LGBTQIA+ movement for that now, I think. So I would tend to agree with that. Booktracker said another $10. Pete, have you spoken with Corey Mahler? Is it true or it is true we need to regroup and change culture and remove the guilt from our identity and this false shame. Have you watched Douglas Wilson Canon Press content? Peter Quinones [ 01:08:47 ] I've had Corey Mahler on. I had Corey and Woe on a while back. I mean, they do so much research into their own show. I haven't even thought to. interrupt them to ask them to have them back on. Um, I saw the only thing I really know about Douglas Wilson is, I mean, I know who he is and I've The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones seen him on Twitter, but yeah, he was on Orin McIntyre's show recently and um, he just exposed himself for a typical boomer who doesn't like Trunes, I mean that's yeah, I mean he has no racial awareness. He has no high cultural awareness. He is the kind of person who will reach out to the left but punch right. David J. Reilly [ 01:09:36 ] Yeah. Yes. Yeah. We've seen that over and over again. A lot of these Zionist people, not saying that he's like, he's not like the most Zionist pastor in the world at all. I don't want to say anything bad about him. He's my neighbor. He lives like an hour away. The other people, the actual hardcore evangelical Zionists, they do that all the time. And you can see it locally. They're working together with leftists to destroy anybody that is to their right. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:10:00 ] And that is us. David J. Reilly [ 01:10:02 ] Yeah, hello. BookTrack Grooves, another $10. One of the things to change culture is good songs that people can sing and not these trash songs from Taylor Slow. What kind of TV shows should be made for women? What is proper way to handle our stupidities? Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:10:20 ] Well, I am, I know this was a question for Pete, but I'm going to answer the for women. So this, one of the benefits of AI is that people are going to be able to make studio-quality film and TV by writing and tweaking a script. And so I think that this is an opportunity for the emergence of some right-wing culture, really entering the mainstream. And I'm somewhat whitewashed on this. David J. Reilly [ 01:10:53 ] Interesting. Peter Quinones [ 01:10:54 ] I think that right-wing art should be right-wing. Stop trying to copy what the left does. You know, anyone who is familiar with the – the Christian rock explosion of the late nineties, early two thousands and how absolutely cringe that all was terrible. SPEAKER_3 [ 01:11:16 ] Just terrible. Peter Quinones [ 01:11:18 ] You, you, if you're a musician, you should be listening to Wagner. If you're an artist, you should be, you know, you should be looking at the romance. You should be looking at the romantic period. Don't, don't try to copy what the left is doing. Right-wing art is right-wing. By trying to pretend you're left-wing, you're not fooling anybody. And you're not appealing to the right. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:11:43 ] Of course. Right. David J. Reilly The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 01:11:45 ] I agree. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:11:45 ] Or uplifting the standards of beauty, which are virtually non-existent in this day and age. David J. Reilly [ 01:11:50 ] Yeah, if you try to stoop down to the pigs and roll around in their filth, you're just going to get dirty. Right, right, right. The whole point is to pull people out of that. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:11:58 ] It's funny. I was at the Chicago Art Museum a few weeks ago, and I was talking to somebody, and they were like, Because that famous Seurat painting is there, the Pointillist painting. And somebody was saying, wow, this was really the beginning of the end. And I'm like, that's true. The Impressionist period also was probably the beginning of the end. But it's such a higher level of artistry than we're seeing right now that it just seemed like, like I look at like a Rothko and I'm like, that's really where. We are like in this period of money laundering for Jews art. We need to see an emergence of realism again and technical mastery and things like that. So I think Pete's definitely right. Peter Quinones [ 01:12:35 ] Who was the splatter artist? Jackson Pollock. Yeah. Once you find out that he was funded by the CIA. It all makes sense. David J. Reilly [ 01:12:43 ] You would think. And the same with like music. Somebody brought up Timothy Leary to me the other day and I'm like, bruh. Like he was LSD guy. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:12:51 ] Yeah. David J. Reilly [ 01:12:52 ] He was, he was a CIA plant. That whole thing that was going on in California, Tim Leary and Manson, the Mansons and all that was all ultra bullshit. Peter Quinones [ 01:13:02 ] That was all, none of that was Jim Morrison's; Jim Morrison's dad was a rear Admiral and was basically the one who constructed the whole, um, Gulf of Tonkin, the Gulf of Tonkin false flag. I mean, come on. David J. Reilly [ 01:13:17 ] Yeah. Yeah. No, it's, it's funny. It's just, it's people don't know that people still don't know that there's like books about it. It's been anyway, a book track grooves gave another $10. Napoleon was also a matchmaker. One of the festivals he was helping with, he ordered his soldiers to find two people to get married. Quality of life is important. We can't have men working them to death. Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 01:13:40 ] Totally true. Peter Quinones [ 01:13:41 ] Yeah. We did a, um, an episode with my buddy john slaughter he is the president of the alabama old glory club chapter and um we we we did a whole segment in there about a subject that i've touched on before many times and always gets people riled up is uh arranged marriages i mean and how my kids are gonna have an arrangement that's how that's how that's how jesus kept their power and kept their money you know over time so it doesn't mean you have to be like oh you're marrying that person now here's a choice of five yes you can't go outside that five yep yeah the illusion of choice is the obvious answer this was a great conversation it really was i wish we could have gone for another like hour and a half frankly but Thank you so much for joining us, Pete. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:14:31 ] Everybody check Pete out. Check his Twitter out. That's Peter R. Quinones on Twitter, his Substack. PeteR. org will take you, I believe, to all of those links. Thank you so much. PeteQ. org. David J. Reilly [ 01:14:42 ] Sorry. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:14:43 ] PeteQ. org. David J. Reilly [ 01:14:44 ] This is PeteQ. org, and then this is PeteQuinones. substack. com. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:14:48 ] If you aren't listening to his content, you are missing out. Thank you. I hope that we can get you in studio sometime, Pete. Peter Quinones [ 01:14:56 ] Yeah. Yeah, let's. Let's see if we can make that happen in the next few months. Cool. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:15:01 ] We would love to. All right. See you later. Bye-bye. Let's see. Very good. David J. Reilly [ 01:15:05 ] Now it's time to read some ads. Some ads. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:15:08 ] And now our viewership is just tanking. No. 605. No, I'm just kidding. David J. Reilly [ 01:15:12 ] Really? Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones [ 01:15:12 ] No. We had great. Are we out there? David J. Reilly [ 01:15:14 ] No, we're on air. 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Reminded me of your Chicago trip. Something to keep in mind. Yeah. You know, it was funny. I, in Portland this week, there was this like black woman that I interacted with and she was talking about like growing up with her father on a farm and being taught how to drive when she was like seven years old. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:20:08 ] I'm like, you're cool. I know. Like, if we're going to allow our life experiences to make us more racist, we also need to allow the same experiences to make us less racist. True. David J. Reilly [ 01:20:17 ] I'm still racist. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:20:18 ] Okay, it's fine. David J. Reilly [ 01:20:20 ] Don't unfollow. Don't unsubscribe, please. We're still, no. SS sent another $5. The West is so jacked up, this regime will crash without severe reforms. I lean to thinking that the left is being set up to be crushed by the right. With the process involving a managed transformation of the right, maybe I'm too paranoid. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:20:38 ] No, I think you are right on. You are hitting it. David J. Reilly [ 01:20:41 ] Because if you look at what's going on with this, and we'll probably get into this on Friday. We're going to do a special show on Friday because I'm going to be in Las Vegas. But we haven't really talked about this whole Israeli diplomat killing thing that happened. Oh, that's right. That was a pretty big deal that we did not. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:21:02 ] We're probably going to touch on it on Friday. David J. Reilly [ 01:21:04 ] Yes. And so anyway, I think, hold on a second. Let me just make sure that there were no other. That's right. Ah, my own voice. Oh, shut up. Shut up. Stop. The Backlash - Episode 42-From-Franco-To-The-Future-Can-The-Dissident-Right-Unite-W-Pete-Quinones Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:21:17 ] Stop. There is something about hearing your own voice that is just, just. David J. Reilly [ 01:21:22 ] Grading. It's just terrible. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:21:24 ] I can't rewatch any of my shows. I'm like. David J. Reilly [ 01:21:27 ] Okay, yeah. It looks like that's all the super chats that we got today. So we are good. I got to go pack. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:21:33 ] Thank you so much. You told me you already packed. David J. Reilly [ 01:21:35 ] No. I had to make the thumbnail. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:21:38 ] Oh, that's right. You had to like buff Pete's giant head for the thumbnail. We used AI for that. See, it's important. Thank you guys so much for joining us. Join us on Friday on 'At Real Backlash' on X. We are going to post when we're doing that show. We still have to nail everything down. Oh, something just came in from Tiger Shark. David J. Reilly [ 01:21:59 ] Your braids are ethn-Dang it! Come on, that was a big dono. That was a big $50 super chat. Where is the... You know, this is what happens when I leave for a couple of days and I come back and then it's just, I've got to get back into the groove. I don't like this. It's okay. The last break that I'm ever taking from the show is just going to be all show, all the time as soon as I get back from Las Vegas. Tiger Shark, $50. Thank you for the big super chat. Thanks for inviting Pete. Rebecca, your braids are a potent ethnocultural symbol. You would get you investigated in Germany. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:22:36 ] That is true. David J. Reilly [ 01:22:37 ] They did do that once upon a time. Is that like 2018? Yes. They started investigating people with braids. Unbelievable. Rebecca Hargraves [ 01:22:43 ] Sons of bitches. All right. Check us out at Real Backlash on X. Go to our website so you can see where else to find us. And we will see you on Friday. Bye-bye.