Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power

Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power.mp4 [0:02:46] Dave Reilly We're launching a spaceship here, Dave. T-minus. I know. This is fun. No, I'm full. [0:02:52] Rebecca Hargraves This is the backlash. Welcome. I am your host, Rebecca Hargraves. Join as always by Mr. Dave Riley. What's up? [0:02:59] Dave Reilly Nothing much. How are you? Pretty good. [0:03:02] Rebecca Hargraves How was your weekend? Uh, uh. [0:03:04] Dave Reilly Do anything fun? I went to the street fair twice. Why didn't we coordinate this? I feel like we could have coordinated going to the street fair with our families. [0:03:12] Rebecca Hargraves Because your reputation is so toxic. Outside. Outside. You kicked out of John Birch's side. I can't be seen with you anymore, but doing a podcast with you [0:03:21] Dave Reilly and becoming deeply financially entangled with you is okay. [0:03:24] Cameron M Speaking of, I do have an update on that. [0:03:26] Dave Reilly I got a second letter from the John Birch society just yesterday. [0:03:30] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, they were like no really fuck off. Yeah, basically. [0:03:33] Cameron M But no, I mean, I thought it was great. I went down there. [0:03:35] Dave Reilly We went to the resort. Um, had a great little drive-by meeting with Representative Barbara. You know, got to introduce her to the family, shook some hands. Cute. I think we're going to talk a little bit more later. You know, I love the conservative legislators here in Idaho are always very available and good to talk to you. [0:03:52] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed So big shout out to Barbara E. Hart. [0:03:54] Dave Reilly Thank you. You are our legislator of the week here on the backlash, which is a new segment [0:03:59] Rebecca Hargraves that we're totally not going to do. True. [0:04:02] Cameron M Uh, but yeah, no, the John Birch society said hustle through this. [0:04:05] Rebecca Hargraves I'm going to. [0:04:06] Dave Reilly It's fine. Dear Mr. Riley, after having considered this matter carefully, [0:04:12] Rebecca Hargraves we honestly believe it's best for all parties concerned that your membership [0:04:17] Dave Reilly in the John Birch society be terminated. [0:04:19] Rebecca Hargraves They already terminated you. [0:04:21] Dave Reilly There is no refund due at this time as the last payment was received more than 30 days prior to this letter. So thank you again for kicking me out of the John Birch society guys. You have given me more street cred than I could possibly imagine by doing so. [0:04:36] Rebecca Hargraves World class racist over here. [0:04:38] Cameron M Absolutely. [0:04:40] Rebecca Hargraves You can find us on X at real backlash our website. [0:04:45] Dave Reilly The backlash on it. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:04:47] Rebecca Hargraves Support us on subscribe star slash the backlash. patreon.com slash the backlash. Then your super chats that will be read live at the end of our show questions for our guests at the backlash. Net slash super chat. Please sub to us on rumble. Backlash podcast YouTube. At real backlash. Is that everything? Thank you so much for joining us today. We'd like to thank our sponsors. Atlas Boolean. Idaho, Tallow, Antelope Hill. We'll be talking about them in a little bit without further ado. Please welcome our guests. Dave. [0:05:19] Dave Reilly Yes. [0:05:20] Rebecca Hargraves Welcome our guests. Welcome our guests. [0:05:22] Dave Reilly We are joined today by a couple of amazing guys from Twitter who were recently on that episode of Jubilee with Medi Hassan. And we've got with us. That's the wrong button. Pine sap on the right side of the screen. And Duma Nat 22 on the left side of the screen. So thank you so much for being with us guys. This is wonderful. We get to do a little pleasure. Our pleasure. Our pleasure. It's awesome. I'm super excited. Do you guys have anything you want to introduce yourselves? [0:05:54] Rebecca Hargraves I mean, I know pine sap is a Catholic apologist. [0:05:56] Dave Reilly Duma Nat just stormed on to the scene out of nowhere. So he's a fat. [0:06:01] Rebecca Hargraves Is what you're saying? No. I've gotten plenty of fat. I mean, we all do. [0:06:06] Dave Reilly We all do. [0:06:07] Rebecca Hargraves We all do. [0:06:08] Dave Reilly But. Why don't you go first, Mr. [0:06:13] Rebecca Hargraves Pine sap. [0:06:14] Dave Reilly Well, as you guys know, I'm pine sap. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:06:17] Rebecca Hargraves I'm a Catholic apologist. [0:06:19] Dave Reilly And I love the American first movement with, you know, Nick Wentes. Really, what I wanted to do is sort of bring more of a Catholic ethos to the dissident right. I've wanted to help evangelize people who otherwise I think have a very easy time accepting the Catholic faith. [0:06:37] Cameron M And just defending it in any way I possibly can. [0:06:40] Rebecca Hargraves So that's my background. [0:06:42] Dave Reilly I loved hearing them talk ahead of ahead of this because I'm like this is it just in live into my spirit. [0:06:49] Rebecca Hargraves To see the youth that we have nothing in common with because of our eight. I said not to say that. What are you talking about? Right before we went live. It was like, we really need to stop acting like we're so different than young people. [0:07:01] Dave Reilly I'm like, we are old. [0:07:03] Rebecca Hargraves It's not, you can look at our faces. [0:07:05] Dave Reilly We're not, we're not going to be able to like connect with the youth in the way. This face look old. Yeah, for sure. You look 37. [0:07:12] Rebecca Hargraves I'm 36 for God's sakes. [0:07:14] Dave Reilly Okay, you look 36. [0:07:15] Cameron M I mean, during, during this interview, I've got subway surfers playing family guy in one quarter, you know, it's just the zoom or brain rot going on. What can I say? [0:07:24] Dave Reilly Let's give it a toilet. It's like, it's like a different language with you guys. Yeah, I know. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:07:34] Rebecca Hargraves All right. [0:07:35] Dave Reilly How about you, Mr. Dumanat? [0:07:37] Cameron M What is your name? [0:07:38] Rebecca Hargraves I'm Dumanat or Seth. I don't know. [0:07:40] Cameron M I post a lot on Twitter. [0:07:42] Rebecca Hargraves I don't know. [0:07:43] Cameron M Yeah, I just, I'm just a white guy on Twitter who just voices as opinions based. [0:07:49] Rebecca Hargraves How do this Jubilee thing happen? I don't know. Do they like curate the list of conservatives that are going to be there? [0:07:56] Dave Reilly How do they do this? [0:07:57] Rebecca Hargraves We had Sarah stock on. She gave us a little rundown. [0:07:59] Dave Reilly I think Sarah is the end. I think she's the conduit through which based people. Are making it on to Jubilee. She was, she was for me. [0:08:07] Rebecca Hargraves So normally what you would do is you would go through the casting process where, you know, [0:08:12] Cameron M you submit a video of yourself, you kind of answer the questions they have for a particular [0:08:16] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed episode. [0:08:17] Cameron M You send your social media profiles and then they make a determination of reaching out to you and saying, hey, we'd love to have you on. But in this case, the episode that me and Dumanat were on. [0:08:27] Dave Reilly It was really sort of a last minute thing where Sarah reached out to me and she said, hey, we're going to have people dropped from the 20 far right Republicans versus one progressive [0:08:36] Cameron M episode. Would you love to come on? [0:08:38] Rebecca Hargraves And considering that I saw the casting list for the next month's outward like teenagers, black [0:08:44] Cameron M guys, ex-chauns, you know, no, no demographics that I fitted to. I was like, okay, this is a perfect opportunity to go on Jubilee. [0:08:52] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah. Yeah. [0:08:54] Cameron M Yeah. I mean, I just, I just a friend recommended it to me and I just applied and they liked my [0:09:00] Dave Reilly passion. [0:09:01] Rebecca Hargraves It was a pretty smooth type of easy process. [0:09:06] Dave Reilly Mass. [0:09:07] Cameron M Well, yeah, here. We've got a couple of clips. I don't know how much of this we're going to play. But like you came out the gate, Dumanat, you came out strong. [0:09:15] Dave Reilly Leaving Betty Hassan speechless. [0:09:17] Rebecca Hargraves Let's see. Hey, how's it going? I'm Eddie. It's going well, man. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:09:23] Cameron M Nice to meet you. All right. So first and foremost, I need to know what you mean by good. I can talk about the economy. I can talk about culture. [0:09:28] Dave Reilly I can talk about all those things. [0:09:29] Rebecca Hargraves I need to know what you. [0:09:30] Cameron M All of them. All of them. That's a good culture. The good for society. [0:09:34] Rebecca Hargraves Where's the lower wages? [0:09:35] Cameron M What do you mean where's the lower wages? Where's the low wages? Yeah. What's the basis for saying our low wages? Sure. So you can look at like the STEM industry. [0:09:41] Rebecca Hargraves It's been like a complete and total recession. [0:09:42] Cameron M There's been tons of studies like from the Economic Policy Institute that shows that like companies like Tesla, companies like Silicon Valley, they engage in mass firing of workers around 35,000, but then they hired around 12,000 H1B visas. And it's kind of just like just standard economic thinking. [0:09:56] Rebecca Hargraves It's not standard economic. [0:09:57] Cameron M I think the vast majority of economic studies suggest that there is a negligible. [0:10:01] Dave Reilly If no impact on wages over time. [0:10:03] Cameron M That's not that. In fact, your colleague mentioned earlier, construction. [0:10:06] Dave Reilly There is actually evidence in construction. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:10:08] Rebecca Hargraves Yes. But in some industries, in some areas, there is an impact. But overall, no. In fact, a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research found that migrants since 1965 have raised wages. [0:10:17] Cameron M Who's that raised innovation? Who's that? [0:10:19] Rebecca Hargraves National Bureau of Economic Research. [0:10:20] Cameron M No, that's where you published studies. I memorized the names of the authors. I know you did. You can meet the authors. Yeah. Hold on. The study you're talking about is from Giovanni Perry. And what he did is he didn't account for aggregation issues. [0:10:30] Rebecca Hargraves The vast majority of studies. Let me speak. [0:10:32] Cameron M Please. Yeah. [0:10:34] Rebecca Hargraves Thank you. [0:10:35] Cameron M So listen, he didn't account for aggregation issues. Right? And when you look at like the spatial approach with all these economists use, you're not accounting for the fact that when immigrants come into an area, natives leave. If you look at an occupational approach where you look at look at the specific firms and immigrations going into, like Kim, ETL, Tony, 13 did, you find a net negative impact when there's a 10% increase of immigration. [0:10:53] Dave Reilly You find around a 0.5% decline in wages when it comes to the specific occupations they're going to. [0:10:57] Rebecca Hargraves So all your studies are gone. So 0.5%. [0:11:00] Cameron M So anyway, that's pretty good. But you came out swinging. Yeah. [0:11:05] Dave Reilly You actually knew the study that he was referencing. Look at his face. He's so smart. [0:11:09] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed I'm very familiar with this with this literature. [0:11:13] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah. [0:11:14] Dave Reilly He's not familiar with the literature. [0:11:16] Cameron M He just knows talking points. I've spent a great deal because I'm into economics just generally. And I'm also into the immigration and this and it right politics. So it's very easy to synthesize those two things on this issue. [0:11:28] Dave Reilly Because immigration is also it's, you know, the biggest thing is culture and the issues regarding that. But also it does make working and, you know, working for a good living wage actually makes it very harder. [0:11:41] Cameron M And a lot of these studies, same way of academia, academia does this with all the prominent issues, whether it be on transgender stuff or anything like that. [0:11:49] Dave Reilly They use very bad methodology to skew the results and what they want to find. [0:11:53] Cameron M And there's a lot of issues with the with the with the, you know, methodology that they use. And when you look at a more very specific and more rigor approach, you do find exactly what you would expect to. Which is that immigrants do actually lower wages. [0:12:05] Rebecca Hargraves And the same Jubilee debate. This chick from John Birch Society. [0:12:08] Dave Reilly She's a social media manager from John Birch Society. [0:12:11] Rebecca Hargraves We watched her on last week's show get absolutely spanked. [0:12:14] Dave Reilly Although she seemed very smart. Because she made immigration a cultural issue and would not address the racial issue. Can both of you individually address this point? [0:12:26] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed Because we did an entire show last week on when you how you fail if you do not address the racial component of immigration. Ponce, do you mind if I answer it first? Yeah, absolutely. Go right ahead. [0:12:39] Cameron M Yeah. Immigration is a racial issue. [0:12:41] Dave Reilly Immigration was not a problem when it was Europeans coming into the country. [0:12:45] Cameron M They assimilated and did very well. And then when you make the immigrants non-European, the results are very different. And also when you don't make it a racial issue. [0:12:55] Dave Reilly Once again, you can just, you know, appeal to this broad like native category. [0:12:59] Cameron M But the natives here are very different. There's black natives that are born here. There's Hispanic people that are born here that are second in generation. [0:13:06] Dave Reilly Immigrants, and when you count all of this into a big group of people. [0:13:08] Cameron M That is going to cause a huge aggregate effect when it comes to just natives. Because these groups are very different. [0:13:15] Dave Reilly Immigration has to be a racial issue because nations and countries are affected. Immigrants are effectively racial of nation. That's what it means. It means, you know, the root word of nation has its roots in like ethnos and things like that. Your ethnos is essentially the genetic cluster or the, you know, smaller part of a race that you're a part of. Immigration has to be made in a racial argument because, you know, number one. [0:13:40] Cameron M Like I said, you have these other issues, but number two are founders. [0:13:42] Dave Reilly And for the vast majority of our history, our country's viewed immigration as a racial thing. We didn't let Chinese people into the country. We only allowed white men to be citizens until, you know, you, of course, you have like the 14th amendment. For the most part, immigration, our immigration policy up until 1965. So the vast majority of our country's history was about preserving the white supermajority demographic of our country. Point. Oh, go right ahead. [0:14:07] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed No, no, no. [0:14:08] Dave Reilly I was going to say, you know, pine sap, you're like kind of uniquely qualified here to also talk about this issue. Um, and connected both to race and why it's not outside of the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Um, because like what do you mean at 22 just said? I mean, we are living in a really interesting time, right? Where we are living in a world that is like post separation of church and state. Um, we're, you know, dealing with the issues of money being separated from the state as well. And now we've also got this issue where the people are being separated from the nation. Uh, where this concept of nationhood no longer has any reference or weight whatsoever to the people. So can you put that in context with, I guess like the Catholic Magisterium and make an argument for, uh, why, uh, why this is all possible. From an orthodox Catholic perspective. Absolutely. So essentially the way we conceive of a nation in Catholic theology is not someone being able to sing Yankee doodle dandy and reciting the Constitution well. A nation is the kind of conglomeration or the woven tapestry of a people's ethnic makeup, their culture, their history, all the identifying factors that make a group what it is. And so in Catholic theology, and this is even with the recent Magisterium under like Saint John Paul the second, you have this conception of wanting to preserve that ethnic, that racial makeup of a nation. Because if you don't, there's actually a two full component that that's a problem. And a lot of people like to accuse us of saying, Oh, you're being racist or you hate these people. Not in the slightest. [0:15:49] Cameron M It's a human tragedy to have the situation of Balkanization that we do in America because what it creates then is ethnic tension and ethnic hatred. [0:15:58] Dave Reilly If we were able to live in these countries where we were still the super majority. There's some other minority groups, but still kind of constituting our general core ethnic makeup, there wouldn't be this sort of separation that we see. But instead in a lot of major metropolitan cities, we see racial animosity, we see protests seemingly happening every single year that seem like low scale race wars. And the kind of harmony that the faith is supposed to bring does not promote that instead what we want is a situation where everyone gets to live in their culture and their homeland free from all violence. [0:16:38] Cameron M Completely peaceful being able to develop in an effective way and not really at each other's throats because in that way all that in Kindles is the actual prejudice that one might have towards another race. [0:16:50] Dave Reilly So this is why in Catholic theology, I believe even the compendium of Catholic social teaching speaks on this very well, repatriation for people who are in this country, such as refugees, maybe illegals or what have you is actually the Catholic approach and that should of course be done ethically, you know, not at the barrel of a gun or anything like that. It's not just through ethical means, but nonetheless, it is Catholic teaching because the magisterium has always understood that if you have just an unfiltered immigration system, you're going to have just tension, animosity, the common good will be harmed and people will not have the right to their nation anymore. And that's a huge problem and a sin against justice. Absolutely. Yeah, so another thing that I would say too is Pope pious, the 11th actually in his encyclical against the Nazis, you know, you said a little too about that, but in that he said something interesting, which is race is a fundamental human value. And the reason for that is because like we said, your nation and your ethnicity and your race, those aren't just ideas, those aren't just feelings, those are in nature, that is a part of what it means to be human. And if it is a nature, like the Bible tells The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed us everything that is a nature is a part of God's creation. So just like your local family and just like, you know, your brother and your sister and your cousin, your race is also something that's a part of God's creation that is a gift to you and thus, which is preserved just like we preserve and cherish all of God's gifts. Yeah. I think it's really important because people misery that encyclical, Mitt Brennan or Sorg is what your what your reference. [0:18:25] Cameron M What what he what Pope pious, the 11th says in in there is it actually, you know, is praising social order. He's praising, you know, efforts done to preserve culture, to preserve your race. [0:18:38] Dave Reilly What he criticizes is the elevation of natural goods over where they belong. And what we we've lived in a society, you know, post World War II, where anybody that says that, you know, having any kind of positive affection towards your people is a Nazi idea. Therefore, we need to completely abolish it. And so anybody that shows any level of love towards themselves or their race is viewed as a Nazi, whereas what was actually being criticized was the elevation of race towards the level of deity, which is what. Absolutely. [0:19:16] Cameron M I see 11th was kind of criticizing there just for me and I also want to make a point that this is interesting. [0:19:22] Dave Reilly We were originally just going to have one of you guys on, but then I found out that both of you were Catholic. And I'm like, let's do this. Let's let's bring it on. That's awesome. [0:19:30] Rebecca Hargraves Do you guys think that we should avoid this trend, this organic trend to move into white enclaves because it is creating this de facto situation where we just have these racial fiefdoms. And I think that it might increase these racial tensions, however, our co-host Cameron is always talking about proximity to multiculturalism being a positive factor for white unification. [0:19:56] Cameron M That is a really good question actually when I consider it my own experience growing up, I lived in communities that were generally majority white, but there were there are also a lot of non white people there. And there was a lot of peace and harmony. There was no problems. [0:20:13] Dave Reilly There was no issues or what have you. I think again, if as Joseph said earlier, as Duma not said earlier, if you have sort of the super majority, you have the super majority of, you know, Americans or what have you. And, you know, there are non white people are Americans too in the context of if they have, you know, kind of stake in this country or history in this country. But if you have sort of that super majority present, I think you're good for the most part. [0:20:42] Rebecca Hargraves I think it's when more you start to get into these areas that are being gentrified, these areas where again, they're trying to kind of show people together in almost those sushi box apartments, you see going up in all the cities where, you know, the construction super cheap, it's poorly done, they're going The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed to be out of style in maybe like five years. [0:21:01] Dave Reilly That's a situation where you do get that multiculturalism or living on top of each other, and then people are at each other's threats. [0:21:08] Cameron M And I think that's when it becomes an issue when you're trying to do the kind of melting pot experiment rather than just having a normal community where yeah, maybe there's some white people non white people, but it's a more organic unity. What I would say, and I can kind of speak directly apart of this because I grew up and I still live in a much more diverse area, and it's been like this for the vast majority of Americans history, there's something called white flight. [0:21:35] Rebecca Hargraves And that's when non whites move into an area of whites naturally really don't want to be there. And so they leave they go to another area. [0:21:43] Dave Reilly And so with this, you know, what Avril's doing in the return to land and stuff like that, I think that's just a natural response of white people. [0:21:51] Rebecca Hargraves White people want to be amongst people with themselves. I think that's a very healthy and natural thing. [0:21:56] Dave Reilly Residential segregation is definitely a thing of white people moved to the suburbs to get away from multiculturalism. And I think doing it in a very explicit manner is the healthy and natural thing to do. And I think that's something that we have a right to do. [0:22:09] Cameron M Yeah, now plants that you said something interesting. And I guess this is a question for both of you. I mean, I don't think anybody can argue with the fact that there are that there is such a thing as like foundational black Americans, right? Like there were black people here at the beginning of the country. We have the the amendment that makes some full citizens. But is it, is it possible that there are more than one American nation, right? Because we were talking about this idea of separation of nation and people. [0:22:38] Dave Reilly And it does seem like the American people are a white people or whatever you want to, you know, call that. So is America really kind of a construct of multiple nations are only white people American? What are your takes on this guys? [0:22:52] Cameron M I think my take on that is currently it is multiple nations as pap you can and wrote famously long time ago where, you know, we used to kind of live in really kind of one America or maybe two at most, but instead it's like four or five six seven, you know, how many others where you go to these areas and it's The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed like a different country. [0:23:13] Rebecca Hargraves I mean, when I was down L.A. for the Jubilee recording, it was like I was driving in a Brazilian favela. It felt completely hot. I mean, it felt that hostile. I saw a boy or everywhere. I saw broken down buildings. I legitimately did not want to get out of my car. I was like, this is freaky. This is horrible. [0:23:33] Cameron M But what I would say is that the kind of unity that we need in this country is again, the preservation of that white supermajority. But on top of that, I think this is where the faith comes in because what I have seen in my experience since becoming Catholic is, [0:23:51] Rebecca Hargraves there are other issues where you have different races of people. You have different people from different backgrounds, but there's almost a mutual respect, love and honor that is given to one another that doesn't demand that, you know, we have this kind of fake multiculturalism. [0:24:07] Cameron M We have this fake mixing about or would have your sort of like forced integration, but it's a very organic unity that I would almost say is miraculous. [0:24:17] Rebecca Hargraves People go to mass and someone who is maybe not from your similar background is as very much as your brother is as though he might be, right? [0:24:28] Cameron M A good example is in Lakewood, Colorado, there's a beautiful Maranite parish that I had the pleasure of going to and many of the people there were actually refugees from Syria back in the 80s when the Civil War was going on. [0:24:42] Dave Reilly They invited me to their feast, they invited me to their parish, like I was their brother, like I hailed from Syria itself, and I saw in that moment such a beautiful unity that I can only describe as the presence of the Holy Spirit. And so I think really in regards to America, what we need to get to is sort of an America that is the white supermajority and Christian, but specifically Catholic because we have sort of the religious divisions that are currently present amongst us. It's just going to continue to be, you know, those Baptist preachers in the South basically preach like a race war like a Jesse Jackson or something like that versus like if we have as evidence by Catholic kingdoms in the past or what have you bishops and priests that kind of unite us all together in that presence of the love of God and the mystical body of Christ. There's a real organic unity there where we still get to preserve our race, our people who we are and we get to love one another, and I think that's very beautiful. Yeah, one of the things that I feel like when you get into arguments with people is, you know, you look at what's happened over the past 100 years, 200 years with the erasure of American nationality with the erasure of white people with this kind of attack that's been going on, especially since 1965. People seem to forget that for like, I don't know, 1,965 years, Europe had borders and they had their cultures and their languages and they were defended very strongly. We had crusades over it, we had the reconquista, you know, and so this idea that Christianity necessarily means that you have to, you know, give up the fight for your ethnos is total bullshit. Look at the look at the confederate south confederate south was arguably one of the most The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed Christian Protestant nations in the part of the country, and they were raised a whole civil war not just over their race, but a more niche and personal identity to them, which was of course the south and throughout all of America's history. I mean, just to be a little blunt here, the more Christian you got, the more racist you got, like the more and more Christian you would go, the more the more racist you would become, you go down to the south with the called the Bible belt where there's a church whenever corner, that's where the segregation was happened, that's where the Jim Crow was happening. [0:27:02] Cameron M So historically, not only has there never really been attention between, you know, your racial identity and Christianity, it's actually much more been something that were correlated and synthesized with each other much, much more than you would find in more secular areas. [0:27:15] Rebecca Hargraves That's true, one of the major criticisms levied toward towards Catholicism, and I'm also Catholic, is that they are responsible for a massive amount of third world migration, and they are an every salvation army, if you've been to major US cities of every salvation army is a is a problem. And I think the Catholic church has done, they've made major errors and they're deeply infiltrated. What would you say to the critics of Catholicism that that are worried that this type of Catholic will be the one that takes over in the event that we can get some kind of Catholic monarchy going. [0:27:53] Cameron M Finds that do you want to take that first door? [0:27:55] Rebecca Hargraves Yeah, well, I was going to say, you know, some of those Catholic groups, they're not really headed by Catholics. No, what do you mean by Catholics? [0:28:03] Dave Reilly What do you mean they're not headed by Catholics? [0:28:07] Cameron M I know it's hard to believe, but people on the nose, but what I would say is that, you know, they're not, they're not headed by people who believe our faith, let's put it that way. [0:28:18] Rebecca Hargraves And it's funny, you look at their board of I guess, like trustee, is there like their hierarchy, and it's like, I've never seen that person in mass. [0:28:26] Cameron M I wonder what they, in fact, they seem to be out and about Sunday, but Saturday, they seem weirdly gone. [0:28:31] Rebecca Hargraves I know what's going on here. Mr. Bronstein or whatever the hell? [0:28:35] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed Yeah, I know. Not only are the ones, not only can you find Jews at the, you know, to be pranked, not only are you not going to find Jews sometimes they're at the board for these things. But if you go and look and you see like who the funding is behind a lot of these coming quote Catholic NGOs, it's the open society, it's people like that. [0:28:52] Dave Reilly It is Jews, but also, I mean, I think that's a little bit of a cope to be honest when we talk about, you know, those involved in pushing, when we're talking about who's actually involved in bringing people over here, who are the people that are accepting them. It mostly is the group that we just discussed. I'm pretty sure the largest refugee NGO in the country is actually the Hebrew immigrant anxiety. [0:29:14] Rebecca Hargraves And there's also tons of secular organizations very well that are also either headed by these people are funded by these people. [0:29:21] Dave Reilly There's a really good article in the oxidative observer that goes through who exactly is involved in it. And if it's not hitting the NGOs, it's also like who are these local judges who are striking down these anti-imprison laws. [0:29:32] Rebecca Hargraves And a lot of those also happy to be. I was just joking about Bronstein, but there she is. [0:29:37] Dave Reilly It's true. This is the board of directors of Catholic legal immigration network. Look, everyone is a hideous Shriber. Hideous. [0:29:46] Cameron M I don't remember seeing them at any Catholic events. That's kind of crazy. [0:30:06] Dave Reilly What I was going to say though is, you know, I remember when I first kind of got it involved in this movement, I used to hear the classic, you know, tirades of, oh, Catholicism's third world is, it's a brown religion and all these kinds of things. And I mean, Catholicism, you know, encompasses all races of men. But the beautiful thing about belonging to the human family, whether you are white, black, brown, doesn't matter, is that it's still also, it's still also preserves those beautiful cornerstones of the human family too. [0:30:44] Rebecca Hargraves I've always said it this way, you know, in a family, you're not like your brother or your sister or your mom or your dad exactly, you are you. [0:30:53] Cameron M And that's what makes it so beautiful that you're a part of a family is you have your unique identity yet. [0:30:58] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed You were united in this bond of love and charity with these other people while not, you know, needing to absorb one another, you know, you don't need to become your sister, you don't need to become your brother, right. And I think that's the same thing with the church is that if we look at actual church teaching, you know, I don't care what some maybe liberal bishop who disobeys the Magisterium on like everything else has to say, I think we should look at what does the church officially teach in regards to nationhood and immigration. If you look at it, it's, it's the most balanced, it's the most humane, it's the most beautiful and sublime teaching on this issue out there because it avoids extreme such as, you know, the wig gnats that are like, oh, let's just go the border and shoot everyone or something, but it also avoids the sort of, you know, board of Catholic legal trustees that says, well, why don't we let everyone in? I mean, melting pot and all that, you know, it avoids both those extremes, right. And I think that's the beauty that Catholic teaching has to offer America. And I don't think that a lot of the critics really take any time to actually read, they just sort of make a judgment based on an organization slapping the name Catholic on themselves and they're good to go. [0:32:11] Rebecca Hargraves Right, right. One thing, one thing I'm just going to add to that about, could you hear this a lot of Christianity or Catholicism's like slave morality, it's brown coded, whatever. How did the brown people like discover, quote unquote, discover Catholicism? How was it brought to them by like Europeans conquering the world, like that, that's how that's how Catholicism spread, at least from Europe to other countries that was Europeans going on the ship, taking over, founding the new world. [0:32:37] Dave Reilly And we also brought our church. So bringing up the fact that, you know, a lot of Catholics now are brown, it actually does speak to the type of dominance that Europe was at when we were all Catholic, which was literally discovering the new world, literally dominating the entire globe, something that's really never been seen before in human history. And to add on to that fact, we are Catholic, we hear the Catholicism and its Roman Catholicism, it is the, it is centered in Rome, which is the greatest civilization to ever face this earth. [0:33:08] Rebecca Hargraves I mean, Christianity flourished in Europe, all the great Christian philosophers were European and they were also building upon a philosophy, scholasticism, which borrowed heavily from pre-Christian European, quote unquote, pagan philosophers was Aristotle, mostly Aristotle would also play it out. [0:33:24] Dave Reilly And so it's a very, it's a very, once you get into the details and the specifics of it, it is a very European, quote unquote, Eurocentric faith. And it's been criticized heavily from liberal scholars and particularly Jews for being like that. Western paternalism though, it may have been a mistake in that it, it pretends, well, the basis of Western paternalism is the belief that all men, if exposed to a philosophy, can rise to some baseline level of morality, of being an intellectual. [0:33:59] Rebecca Hargraves And I'm not really sure that that's true, but the irony of what you guys are saying, which I think is so funny, is that Catholicism and a lack of integration in Western countries, that really is the best way to preserve international diversity in a pure sense. So maybe you guys are just truly proponents of diversity. [0:34:18] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed True diversity is our strength, diversity is our strength. Well, I said when everything went down, I said, try love. [0:34:28] Dave Reilly We're the real fighters for DEI. We're the real fighters for diversity, okay? So don't attack us. Well, there is, there is kind of something to this, like, especially when you look at Chicago, not Chicago as it is today, but Chicago as it was before Eisenhower's interstate program destroyed all these cities. I hate to, I hate to plug it because it pains me to do so, but E. Michael Jones' book, The Slotter of Cities, is actually really good. And I don't understand where the Disconnect is because he wrote that book, and that was what, you know, one of the things that initially kind of got my attention with him, and then, of course, like, he goes off the rails and completely rejects the idea that, like, race even exists. [0:35:09] Cameron M He's a reverse Jared Taylor. He's pretty good on the Jews stuff, get into race horrible. Same thing with Jared Taylor, it's up the opposite. Yeah. Bring up the Jews. Yeah. Not gonna touch you. [0:35:23] Dave Reilly No, it's true, but I mean, you know, when you go through Chicago, you know, if you ever have the chance to go visit, you can look at how I forget what highway it is, but you know, when you're going north, south in Chicago, you can see how the highway would like, you'd have a church, like, five feet away from this elevated highway, and then, on the other side, was where the parishioners lived. [0:35:45] Cameron M And so, it went from basically, like, one week, you could get up and walk to church, and then the next week, your parish has been alienated from you, [0:35:54] Dave Reilly and now, you have to somehow go all the way around the highway to get back to your parish, and this was done specifically to cut up the ethnic voting blocks that were happening in Chicago. And there was, I mean, there still is like the Polish neighborhood, but they had the Lithuanian neighborhood, they had the, you know, Italian neighborhoods, the Irish neighborhoods. Now they're all Mexican. Now they're all Mexican. Now they're all black. Now it's a problem. And poor Nick Fuentes has to live in. Anyway, where you at, you got any, OK, I've got a question. I got all sorts of questions. [0:36:30] Cameron M Can we talk about Curtis Yarven yet? Well, we, I mean, we should at some point because you don't like that guy. [0:36:36] Rebecca Hargraves Well, you don't want to be ruled, you don't want to be ruled by dark elves. [0:36:41] Cameron M Right. Well, you brought it up when you, you know, stop corp, stop corp. [0:36:44] Rebecca Hargraves Criticize Christianity as brown coated. Like this is like textbook, band network, criticism of, of, of Christianity. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:36:56] Dave Reilly I'm trying to steal man. I'm trying to steal man. You're arguing here. No, but I'm just saying it's just like so funny. It's like you've got all of these like neo reactionary types that are following Curtis Yarven, literally a Jew, who convinced his wife to get vaccinated. And she's dead now because of it. Oh, really? Oh, you didn't know that. Oh, yeah. He's also a devil. Wow. [0:37:16] Cameron M The actual Peter Phil. Like that's the, that's the biggest part. And a lot of these other guys are, too, like Bronze Age pervert. He's also a literal Jew. And, you know, these guys have a whole sphere and it's based around the type of niche and aesthetic, you know, be based. Bronze Age, you know, Bronze Age mindset, you got to have like, you got to think like a fucking caveman. And, you know, it's like, it's, it's, if you, if you read his book, Bronze Age mindset, it's like 150 pages. And a lot of it is hard to understand because he's using these type of meme words. [0:37:47] Rebecca Hargraves He's kind of playing around with words. It's trying to hit it like this type of post irony type of thing. [0:37:51] Dave Reilly Um, but yeah, the, the biggest thing is you are been, I mean, he calls it a cathedral. I mean, it's not a cathedral. It's a synagogue. [0:37:58] Cameron M If there's a cathedral thing that exists in a dog. [0:38:01] Dave Reilly And he wrote an entire paper about why he's not an anti-Semite. It's on his own blog. It's literally called why I'm not an anti-Semite. And this is, in my opinion, this is the whole goal of the neo reactionaries because so many of them are Jews is to make anti-Semitism look like it. They call it peasant anti-Semitism. They say it's brown coded. They say it's left coded. The whole point is to get all these white men to feel like they're peasants. And you want to be aristocratic Nicheans. Uh, so don't call out the Jews point at this abstract power struggle. [0:38:34] Cameron M So you can be based in rational instead of brown coded in left and leftist and actually pointed being like, this isn't ethnic thing. It's a Jewish thing. [0:38:41] Dave Reilly Now, hold on a second. We've got, um, we might have to take a brief intermission here. I'm seeing on this. Yeah, I saw the free call thing. I just wanted to say that real quick. [0:38:51] Cameron M Because we are. [0:38:54] Rebecca Hargraves Because we are talking about gap in your engine. Massaga. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:38:59] Cameron M Hey, wait, you got to pay for this service. [0:39:02] Dave Reilly Go away. No, so we might have to do that because we are like a budget podcast. [0:39:06] Cameron M Yeah. Please send in your super chats. I'm going to go back to the group chat and send a new link. So while we're doing that, [0:39:14] Dave Reilly we're probably going to do some ad reads. We can do at least one ad read. Sure. So hold on a second guys. We are going to end this call and start another one. Just so that we have enough clearance to go. And I'm loving this energy. Yeah, it's good. I like these kids. They're these kids. Gee, see, I'm even doing it. I'm doing it. Okay, just embrace it. No. [0:39:42] Rebecca Hargraves Embrace it. It's okay. We are the age that we are. [0:39:45] Dave Reilly No, I will not. Okay, hold on a second. We grab this here and we'll put that in the. 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[0:40:56] Dave Reilly Well, you could do that. [0:40:58] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed Or I'm just saying to be prepared for that. Because in a situation where either we went back on a gold standard [0:41:06] Dave Reilly or if it inflated or something like that, you aren't going to be at a grocery store in a breakdown situation, shaving pieces of a gold coin off. You're going to want something smaller that you can trade with. Or you could just go with silver. Silver, of course, has a lower premium than gold. Just a thought. That's why I buy jewelry. [0:41:25] Cameron M You know, I was thinking about that too the other day. [0:41:28] Dave Reilly Because you can't really get on a plane with a 10 ounce bar of gold. But you could with a 1 kilo gold chain, if you were a rapper or something like that. Or if you're Dave Riley. Where are you guys at? Let's see. I'm not here yet. That's okay. [0:41:47] Rebecca Hargraves We can do another ad if you want. [0:41:49] Dave Reilly This is great. I feel bad subjecting our listeners to these ads. [0:41:53] Rebecca Hargraves It's okay. Every time we have tech problems, I think of the R-Vall. [0:41:56] Dave Reilly That's what we're talking about. That's what makes us feel better. That's what makes us feel better. I don't want to get these shoes anymore by money. That's what makes us feel better. I don't want to get these shoes anymore by money. I don't want to get these shoes anymore by money. Yeah. [0:42:07] Rebecca Hargraves It's terrible. [0:42:08] Dave Reilly It's like, you know, Oh, we got something that works. We got something that works like quick. Charge them. I do love this young person aesthetic though. [0:42:17] Rebecca Hargraves While we're talking about how old we are. [0:42:19] Dave Reilly Oh, geez. [0:42:20] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed We're impons jegpig to each other in the old call. [0:42:24] Dave Reilly like we did. No, I think it's great. You guys are clean cut. You're articulate. You're well educated. And I just love this, this anti boomer revolution of the youth. Can we continue the bath in your urban conversation? Hell yes. Absolutely. Go for it. That's what we were talking about. [0:42:46] Cameron M So they, the bath captive dreamer and a couple of the other ones have come, they blocked me based and what's suspicious is it was they blocked me on the same day around the same time. So that's a little sus, but captive dreamer on his third account, who's another one of these, you know, Bronze Age pervert, you know, affiliated with near reactionaries and stuff, calls anti-semitism [0:43:08] Dave Reilly peasant. He calls, he says it's peasant anti-semitism. He says to win, you got to be a Zionist. So this [0:43:14] Cameron M type of weird, larping, McAvallion types. He's been nothing but a logging the shit out of me. [0:43:20] Dave Reilly And it's just so interesting to me that the literal Jews who claim that Christianity is [0:43:27] Cameron M Jewish or brown coded and whatnot, they're like literally, like they're literally Jewish, telling people to not be anti-semitic. That's really, really sus, especially when you see [0:43:38] Dave Reilly and you look where the money's coming from. And it's like literal fucking CIA, billionaire Peter. Right, right. Well, I'm sure you guys already know this, but Jews have a remarkably high verbal IQ. [0:43:48] Rebecca Hargraves Although some people online have told me that study's been debunked, but it really is that they have sort of self-selected for... Yeah, I think that's true, yeah. And then they're able to talk [0:43:59] Dave Reilly their way out of just anything. So this element of appealing to the human condition and our desire [0:44:06] Rebecca Hargraves to be seen as elite while we're living in pods and stuff, it's a really subversive but smart tactic. And I think it's going to be effective. I'm seeing a lot of people on the dissonant right that are, they're falling prey to the Curtiss-Yarven worldview. Yep, no, it's true. It's the classic interplay throughout history of Judaism attacking Catholicism. It's the war that goes back to the [0:44:33] Dave Reilly cross where, as Bishop Williamson said, God rest his soul. I hope he's in heaven looking down on us. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:44:39] Rebecca Hargraves When Tertullian famously said, as Catholic power raises, Jewish influence lowers. Catholic faith [0:44:47] Dave Reilly increases Jewish power lessons. And we see Catholic faith increasing and Jewish power is [0:44:52] Cameron M starting to decrease. They can't go on Twitter anymore and post something about, oh, October 7th, the hostages are whatever without people in their comment section, ratioing them and saying, [0:45:06] Dave Reilly you're killing children, right? You're dehumanizing these people. You're calling these people amalakites when we know that the amalakites were slaughtered in the Old Testament that there's no group equivalent today of that group, right? So you dehumanize the entire section of the population. What's wrong with you, right? People are becoming familiar with their [0:45:25] Rebecca Hargraves identity. I'm ready to find. Oh, my God. You find celebrating the death of a child. Celebrating. [0:45:31] Dave Reilly This is a man who makes our laws. This is a man who is supposed to represent our interests. [0:45:36] Cameron M And he's looking at, at a picture of a dead child and feeling no remorse. What does that say? [0:45:44] Dave Reilly What does that say about the state of her country? He even got kicked out of A-pack. It's so bad. [0:45:49] Cameron M Here, I've got the, this is, this is the image, right? Supporting killing innocent people and babies [0:45:56] Dave Reilly and smearing voices that fight against genocide for some A-pack money says a lot about your character, you should be ashamed of yourself. How do you sleep at night? And Randy fine says, quite well actually thanks for the pit. He also said, what was it? I just saw something new from today. He's disgusting. He's a disgusting pig of a human being. He's like Peter Griffin. Like we have Peter Griffin in Congress, right? True. But we do. We have the Williamson clip. I think it's only like 20 seconds long so we can play this real quick. And Tatullium said that Catholic faith and Jewish power [0:46:38] Rebecca Hargraves are like the two pans of a pair of scales. As Catholic faith goes up, Jewish power goes down, [0:46:44] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed as Catholic faith goes down, Jewish power goes up. Because the Jews have always been, from the time that they crucified Allah Jesus Christ, they have always been enemies of the Catholic Church. They have always known, they've always treated the Catholic Church as their number one enemy. And the commonists are the same. They know that the Catholic Church is their one enemy. The New World Order knows that their real enemy is the Catholic Church. And ever since Vatican 2, the Church has been on its back, on the canvas, out for the count of six, seven, eight, nine. The enemies of the Church think the Church is finished. It isn't. The Church will be back on its feet because God doesn't want the Church to be wiped out. Amen. That's the truth of it. And I think that [0:47:31] Rebecca Hargraves this is the issue that we get into on the dissonant right. People that are. I've got to do a shameless [0:47:35] Dave Reilly self-plug too. I had the pleasure of hanging out with his excellency before. Wow. That's so cool. I think that people are not recognizing, even in the dissonant right, that this is a spiritual battle. And that if you aren't opposing Jewish power, you are failing in your most basic duty to be a moral [0:47:57] Rebecca Hargraves human being. And that's why we're seeing Khanank just fall by the wayside because there are people like Charlie Kirk, Jack Jepzovich, all the usual suspects. Tucker Carlson now that are not addressing [0:48:08] Dave Reilly Jewish power in a spiritual way. True. And what is Tucker Carlson's spirituality? We don't really know. Yeah. Have we seen what he wears? He's wearing a red Kabbalah bracelet that's the equivalent of the evil eye to word off evil power to give him power. Well, I ask you that question. What's his [0:48:28] Cameron M religion? Is his religion Christianity? You know, he says, oh, I'm I think he says he's like a [0:48:32] Dave Reilly Episcopalian or something. Really? Is that your religion? Is that who you worship at the feet of? I think in reality that someone like that, it goes back to something that Saint Maximilian Colby famously said a long time ago that, you know, Remasonry is basically dead, right? I don't think that most, you know, old guys at the barbecue or whatever are running the world. But there is kind of this [0:48:58] Rebecca Hargraves Nansen almost remasonic Kabbalistic ideology that has survived Freemasonry. And as Saint Maximilian [0:49:07] Dave Reilly Colby famously wrote, Freemasonry is basically Judaism for Gentiles. It is. And fundamentally, [0:49:16] Cameron M even though Freemasonry has kind of all but subsided and not really, it's not really where it used to be, [0:49:22] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed I think very much the ideas that it promoted, the supreme being, the anti-Catholicism has survived [0:49:28] Cameron M and Jewish people continue to use it to weaponize Gentiles against the true faith. Yeah. Yeah. No, [0:49:37] Dave Reilly only thing I was going to say is, I was just going to name a couple specific Jews who [0:49:42] Cameron M saw their work as deliberately going against the Catholic Church. I mean, the biggest one would be [0:49:47] Rebecca Hargraves Sigmund Freud, the psychoanalysis. Kevin McDonald has a really good chapter on this chapter 4 [0:49:52] Dave Reilly and his culture of critique, but he goes into very exclusive detail about how Freud saw his work in basically a revolt against Catholic and European social, not social sexual ethics and sexual traditions. He saw it as a revolt against Rome. And he also had correspondence with Theodore [0:50:12] Rebecca Hargraves Herzl, who was basically the founder, not the founder of contemporary Zionism. Basically, it was a very, [0:50:17] Dave Reilly very proud and ethnic Jew. And he saw his work about sexuality in the way that it forms the psyche [0:50:23] Rebecca Hargraves as revolting against European Catholic sexual ethics. And there's plenty of other examples. [0:50:28] Cameron M Al Goldstein basically, the founder of the contemporary porn industry said he was asked in an interview, [0:50:37] Dave Reilly he was asked why are Jews in Catholicism? And he literally said because we hate Christ and we hate [0:50:41] Rebecca Hargraves Catholicism. Word for word, he said that. And that's the founder, basically the founder of the porn [0:50:46] Cameron M industry. So like, you can go literally line by line, yeah, you can pull up on the Wikipedia page. [0:50:52] Dave Reilly Yeah, he said Catholicism sucks, Christianity sucks, that's why Jews are in porn. And so you can literally go down the line of some of the most destructive, evil Jews, frankly. And they'll literally The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:51:03] Cameron M say it, whether it be with a fellow Jew in private, or if they're in an interview or whatever, if the question ever comes up, they will let their hatred for Christ and his church be known. [0:51:12] Dave Reilly Right. And Freud was also instrumental in this argument, normalizing the Jewish perversion, [0:51:21] Cameron M Jewish sexual perversion behind the sexual liberation. That's his work was the foundation of it. [0:51:26] Dave Reilly And that really is innate to Judaism. I believe wasn't it into the 68 revolution? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm I'm blanking out here. There was a book. It was Wilhelm Reich's book [0:51:39] Cameron M that they were throwing a mass psychology of fascism. Yeah, that was because they were sexually repressing themselves. Yes, yes, yes, that was an argument that many, you know, pseudomarks as Freudians were making the Frankfurt School made a very similar argument with that, which is basically fascism arose due to the nuclear family. And when you have an authoritarian family, basically that suppresses what they call a a natural state of man. And because of that, [0:52:06] Dave Reilly this authoritarian personality and the suppression that it puts in it, fascism is the political expression of it. And the Frankfurt School were all Jews. In fact, not only were they Jews, Max Hawkeimer, [0:52:16] Rebecca Hargraves who was basically the founder of the Frankfurt School, he was a part of the American Jewish Congress. [0:52:21] Dave Reilly So this Jew that was telling white people, you can't be ethnocentric, you can't be Christian, you can't care about your own self-interest. He was a part of a literal Jewish ethnic advocacy group. [0:52:32] Rebecca Hargraves And the American Jewish Congress actually published a lot of the Frankfurt School's work, [0:52:37] Cameron M the authoritarian personality, the dialect of the Enlightenment. It was literally published by a [0:52:42] Rebecca Hargraves Jewish ethnic advocacy group while all these guys were going around saying to white people, [0:52:46] Cameron M you can't be ethnocentric, you can't be proud to be white, you can't be Christian, anything like that. [0:52:49] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed It's such a ridiculous argument, too, because the greatest cultures that the world has ever known [0:52:53] Rebecca Hargraves were built on the backs of sexual restraint. So it's so easily refuted. Well, not only that, but the [0:52:59] Dave Reilly family is the basic building block of society. Without families, without properly functioning families, you don't get a properly functioning society. Absolutely. And so that has been, I mean, that was [0:53:10] Cameron M one of the things that was actually getting in there, I see you. What was that but be authoritarian personality? Go ahead, go ahead, mindset. I was just going to say, you know, even the dichotomy that [0:53:20] Rebecca Hargraves we accept, sexual restraint versus sexual freedom, that is not a dichotomy that even God maps out for [0:53:28] Dave Reilly us. You know, when we, when I choose to be a monk or I choose to be chased even within marriage, [0:53:34] Cameron M or I choose to respect my wife and not see her as like an object or whatever, like, you know, hey, we got to, you know, we got to do something, you know, for the fifth night in a row, right? [0:53:46] Dave Reilly There's, there is a freedom that comes from that that is not so much a giving up, but is more so a call to something higher. I think St. John Paul II put this well in his theology of the body, where it's not so much about the, the, the spiritual life being, no to sex, no this, no that, there is [0:54:10] Cameron M that element. But every no is a higher yes. And I think that higher yes is the sort of spiritual freedom [0:54:17] Dave Reilly we seek when we, we are able to no longer be controlled by our appetites, but we're able to be controlled by just the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And so it's not even so much a matter of like, oh, these societies flourished just because they were sexually repressed. No, it's like they said, [0:54:34] Rebecca Hargraves yes, to a higher calling. They said yes to this higher calling. And that's why we built the most [0:54:40] Dave Reilly beautiful cathedrals in the world. That's why we opened the greatest universities and the greatest [0:54:45] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed works of art. It was because of that higher yes that God calls us to. It's they had a completely different conception of freedom that we have now. Yeah. [0:54:52] Dave Reilly If the founders had this conception of freedom and they had a more traditional conception, which is that freedom was essentially the ability to be able to self-govern yourself, because if you weren't able to do that, you would not be free. You would fall into tyranny, which is the greatest tyranny of all, which is the tyranny of sin. You would become a slave to yourself, a slave to your own being your own sin. And so freedom, which is a good, it is a virtue, but it's a completely different conception of freedom. Freedom is your ability to regulate yourself. [0:55:21] Rebecca Hargraves That's why all of the founders they talked about, you know, the constitutions only for religious [0:55:25] Dave Reilly people. If the free society doesn't have virtue, it's not going to be a free society. [0:55:30] Cameron M And so when we talk about freedom and liberty nowadays, we're talking about, you know, [0:55:33] Dave Reilly you just have the negative rights to do whatever you want. It's not at all for the vast majority [0:55:38] Rebecca Hargraves of history if the founding fathers of our country and the great European philosophers that came before them. That is not at all how they conceptualize it. It's something much more kind of what mindset was described. I agree. I mean, freedom means not being a slave to your vices. [0:55:52] Dave Reilly And that's the higher calling of man. And it's, you know, temperance is a, is a difficult path, [0:55:57] Rebecca Hargraves but it's one that we all need to choose to follow. We do have a bunch of super chat questions for [0:56:02] Dave Reilly you guys, I think. I think we do. Let me try to make us money today. That's good. [0:56:06] Rebecca Hargraves That's awesome. Get your questions in to the backlash.net slash super chat. [0:56:11] Dave Reilly Yeah, get your money in so we can pay these Jews over Google so that we don't have to like break it [0:56:16] Rebecca Hargraves up into multiples. Yes, definitely give us money so we can just give it to Jews. The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [0:56:19] Dave Reilly Jeepers creepers. All right. Google's mostly Indian now. That's [0:56:27] Rebecca Hargraves great. Dude, that's talk about greatest outline. Oh, I know, I like to Jews as Indians. [0:56:31] Dave Reilly Oh, yeah, they're just the. All right, let's see. Yeah, where do we begin? [0:56:40] Rebecca Hargraves Okay, we go. Right, just muffin cent $10. I got my dad's wife turned on to Nick Fuentes the other day [0:56:45] Dave Reilly with his stream about JD Vance and Tucker Carlson. She loved him. Some boomers can be woken up. Funny, though, she hit the same wall as me when trying to talk to her friend about it. Yeah, [0:56:56] Rebecca Hargraves I think that that stream has gone viral because it's one of the greatest orations that I've ever seen. This generation. It was just incredible to watch because Nick Fuentes, you know, he used to engage in some sloped tactics and had some unsavory alliances. Something has happened to him over the last [0:57:12] Dave Reilly few months where he's just become a man. And it's wonderful to watch him develop this metapolitical analysis in such a concise and articulate way because it's so useful for all of us. I was watching [0:57:28] Rebecca Hargraves that and it was like he was connecting all the dots for me and I've been doing this for 10 years. And I'm just so happy to see it. Like I'm so happy to see it. Yeah, it's a way of. Yes, yes, yes, I would agree. He and Candice got the call because I was watching this and I was like, this is the greatest PR disaster of his entire career. This might be career ending stuff. I don't think you can get anywhere in media anymore without the support of grapers. I really don't [0:57:59] Cameron M or the support of Nick Fuentes true. Sorry. Oh, well, I was just going to chime in. You know, Tucker uses the concept of, oh, you're just, you're the gay kid living in your parents' basement or [0:58:13] Dave Reilly what have you. There's something so deeply disingenuous about that insult because for so many of Gen Z, [0:58:20] Cameron M you know, we hear this all the time. I mean, I know Patrick Bet David is like, oh, we need [0:58:24] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed immigration because these Gen Z kids are lazy. Well, no, it's that we can't afford houses because BlackRock is buying all of them. When, you know, you could work a summer at McDonald's and buy a [0:58:35] Rebecca Hargraves Ford Plymouth and, you know, get a house down payment on a house the next summer. Super easy. Right. We are out here struggling. We're out here striving to make something of ourselves. We, [0:58:46] Dave Reilly we get, you know, education, we get degrees, we get job training, and yet we're still struggling to make ends meet. And so when he comes in with this tepid boomer insult of, oh, you just need to pick yourself up from from the bootstraps. You're just angry because you live in your parents' basement. [0:59:03] Rebecca Hargraves You don't know what it's like in our world, pal, okay? I'm sorry, but, you know, my dad didn't hand me everything from the time I was born. I had to work to become something. You, on the other hand, were some trust fund baby who basically had his entire career made for him before he ever reached [0:59:21] Cameron M the age of 13. And the connection. You're going to get me a little fired up bringing this stuff up because, you know, Nick, Nick made this point and it's something that has to be reiterated is that [0:59:31] Dave Reilly we, we are the disenfranchised white people that took her pretend to appeal to. And so, you know, they, and there's always been this type of elitism with these people where they, they look down and [0:59:42] Rebecca Hargraves discuss that people who are lower working middle class, someone, and also another thing is that, you [0:59:48] Dave Reilly know, it's, it's really actually hard to make ends meet, you know, nowadays it's really hard to [0:59:52] Rebecca Hargraves make ends meet, but it's even more hard when you actually express political opinions like me and [0:59:56] Cameron M pines have to do and you get the exact treatment that we got, which is both of us are doxed, [1:00:00] Dave Reilly both of us where pines have had this whole livelihood taken away from him. He was fired from his job. So you can't stick up for white people and not basically live with your parents or it's extremely [1:00:13] Cameron M hard not to, it's extremely hard nowadays to express the things that you actually believe in. And then [1:00:18] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed also not be the quote unquote gay kid who lives in the basement of his parents and extremely disingenuous. And I would say downright evil for him to even say something like that because he's made his whole political career being the populist who's going to appeal to the disenfranchised white people. And then he's going to use that as a fucking insult. It actually really bothers me. [1:00:36] Rebecca Hargraves Oh, it should bother you. Absolutely. And I was going to say, I mean, you know, so [1:00:41] Dave Reilly some, I guess maybe the people that follow her show very closely would kind of know about my background, right? Like I went to college, I was in the music industry, I was in Boston, chewed me up, spit me out. But one of the greatest things that actually happened to me was going back and living, well, not in my parents' basement, but my parents' attic basically. And you know what? That gave me time to make money, to get a job, to create savings by a car and not have to worry about some awful landlords squeezing you out like a wet rag for every last drop that's in you between, you know, being used up by the corporations or being used up by the landlords. And then, you know, these landlords nowadays, they'll kick you out and then put a black mark on your social credit score and you will never be able to get a apartment every day. You have an unlimited tide of people coming into the country, competing with the fucking houses because they don't [1:01:33] Cameron M they barely even build anything. So not only are you trying to buy a house or rent a house that's already astronomically at a cheap rate, not cheap, the opposite of cheap at an extremely high rate, [1:01:43] Dave Reilly you have to compete with other people who they're constantly bringing into the country. [1:01:47] Rebecca Hargraves There's a huge increase of competition for houses because of immigration. So it's at like the [1:01:53] Dave Reilly the points I brought off this, I don't know it was, but some guy he said, you got to bring all the immigrants because the Gen Z are too lazy to work. Why the fuck do you think they won't work? It's [1:02:00] Cameron M because they're crowded out by the immigrants. You keep bringing into the country or you go open up business in another country to hire very cheap labor and they either offshore onshore jobs. You're [1:02:11] Rebecca Hargraves literally the prescription to the problem you're describing is the literal problem. Yes, exactly. But there is a silver lining to this because as your generation becomes more [1:02:22] Dave Reilly disaffected, you have less to lose and more people are going to speak out and become racial unified, which when everybody else dies off, there will be no cancel culture because who would be there to enact it? Right. That's true. And currently, that's exactly it, Rebecca. It's the apparatus that we live under creates this system where it can just easily disaffect us at a moment's notice. But when those The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed people lose power, when those people are some, you know, geriatric old foggy and the old folks home and they can't press a button anymore, we're going to be the ones who inherit the earth. [1:02:56] Cameron M We're going to be the ones who take over and we're not going to care about cancel culture. I mean, [1:03:00] Rebecca Hargraves consider for a moment one of the most popular platforms right now is kick, right? And kick's not particularly political. It's not particularly like a very charged platform. But people love that [1:03:12] Dave Reilly stringing service primarily because it's unfiltered. It's uncensored. People can do what they want. [1:03:18] Cameron M They're not getting the ban hammer, you know, thrown down on them. And I think that even though [1:03:23] Dave Reilly normies are watching something like that, it's emblematic of a deeper trend in our generation where [1:03:28] Cameron M it's like, we just don't give a rip. We don't care at all. You know, you want to cancel us? [1:03:34] Dave Reilly Fine. Go for it, right? We want to have fun. We want to speak our minds and we want to be able to speak out. Now, how pine sap, we'll get back to the superstars in just a second. This did happen. [1:03:44] Rebecca Hargraves It's just, you know, from a post-catholic commentator pine sap has been fired from his job after his [1:03:49] Cameron M appearance on Jubilee, debating it. Medi Hassan, what has the fallout been like? Have you been able [1:03:54] Dave Reilly to recover from that next steps and all that kind of stuff? How are you doing on that front? [1:03:59] Cameron M Well, I just wanted to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for the gifts and go. That meant a lot to me. I remember I was going on the rift that night and I just lost my job that day. I had gotten into text about it. And I was really blue and I was kind of telling Elijah I was like, you know, I'm going to try to give it my all. I'm going to give, you know, a great performance on this [1:04:19] Rebecca Hargraves podcast. But if I seem a little bit down, it's for that reason. I lost my job. You got fired via text. [1:04:25] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed Basically, yeah, well, because what happened was shitty. Yeah, without getting into details, you know, the people who were mocking me for it were like, oh, you got fired because like the company found [1:04:36] Dave Reilly out or something. No, you went to my company. You harassed them, right? Mob justice. And then [1:04:44] Cameron M they had to, of course, hang me out to dry because it's like they don't want a liability on them. Yeah. That's right. They did the same thing to me except they did it with my school, which I've [1:04:52] Rebecca Hargraves graduated from. I mean, I graduated my high school last year. And they didn't, you know, I'm a neat [1:04:58] Cameron M right. I don't really have that that much at stake, right? But um, so they didn't really have [1:05:03] Dave Reilly any way to fuck with me. So what they did is, I mean, a bunch of them have just been harassing the [1:05:07] Cameron M high school that I went to that I graduated from a year ago. Um, they don't have another way to reach [1:05:12] Dave Reilly me. So they just did that. But these people are insane. Yeah. And in my opinion, what makes it some, [1:05:19] Cameron M you know, because we both want to do believe we argue with Mediacin, I posted a video to Twitter [1:05:24] Dave Reilly about this, what makes it more particularly evil is Medi was basically ankle biting you. You know, when you, when he was like all these millions of people, you might have a job, you know, they're going to see this and you might have consequences. He knows the exact system that fired you because it also fucking fired him from his job when he was a milk toast Palestinian support. So [1:05:43] Cameron M it's really evil what that guy fucking did. I really don't like that guy up that a little because [1:05:48] Dave Reilly I didn't really know who he was. I knew he was one of the brown guys that was fired from MSNBC because finds out we'll vouch. We found out who we were debating when he walked into the studio. We had no [1:05:58] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed idea who was going with it. We all thought it was, we all thought it was going to be like Hassan Piker or maybe the one of the DNC guys from TikTok, you know, Parker Dean. And this guy comes walking in [1:06:08] Dave Reilly and none of us really knew who he was. I did do research into him. Total, in my opinion, him going on Jubilee was his forgiveness letter to the status quo about what we had done with supporting the Palestinian [1:06:22] Cameron M movement. That's my opinion. I think that's what he did going after all of these, all of these, [1:06:26] Dave Reilly you know, far right conservatives he's arguing with them. Just a total, total gripped or total scumbag. He's [1:06:31] Cameron M a horrible person. I don't feel bad telling him. I agree. I mean, we were expecting, look, I was expecting Harry Risen and I was going to agree with him. We may disagree, but bro, you pull. Okay, I'm just going to say that. You pull, you know, we might disagree, but I got to show some respect on your name, right? But instead, it's like, we get Medi Hassan. And the first thing I thought to myself is, who the hell is this guy? I don't know who this guy is. Like, I just see this Indian guy walk out. [1:07:03] Dave Reilly I'm like, okay, like this isn't any figure of note. And, you know, everyone got to talking because a lot, some people in our crowd did know who he was and kind of updated us on, you know, he'd gone fired from MSNBC and what have you. But someone like that, it was very interesting because even in our [1:07:23] Cameron M interaction, you know, I thought in some ways we were kind of having an interaction at first kind of similar to him and Kai, where him and Kai had a very amiable interaction. It was very positive. It's hard not to love Kai. He's a very sweet guy. Very good guy. Exactly. And it like went from that [1:07:41] Dave Reilly to kind of quickly devolving into, you know, him just wanting to call me the F word, the N word, [1:07:48] Cameron M you know, Konya Nazi calling me a fascist and all these things. And, you know, my approach, [1:07:54] Dave Reilly and I would have done it differently in retrospect because I'm just a Catholic. That's my politics, [1:07:59] Cameron M right? I'm not this ideology or that ideology. I'm just a Catholic, but all I wanted to say to him is [1:08:05] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed like, you label us these terms all the time. You call us these terms all the time. You character assassinate us all the time using these little phrases, these little slurs. And I'm sick of it, dude, we are a new generation that wants to do the right thing. We want to uphold virtue and we want to create a better country. And you're not going to come in here and just label me a bunch of different [1:08:26] Cameron M phrases because you get pissed that I don't want kids being killed in the womb. And I don't want two dudes pretending to be married. Yeah. And this really exemplifies how bad this guy is as a person. Not only have, you know, all of us get called that for being, you know, far right and whatever. [1:08:42] Dave Reilly How many times do you think he's been called a Nazi? How many times do you think he's been called? [1:08:46] Rebecca Hargraves He's been asked to condemn the Holocaust for not supporting the genocide that's going on in Gaza. [1:08:52] Cameron M So for him to do what he did, which is basically reaffirmed the Jewish Zionist playbook about using [1:08:57] Dave Reilly the Holocaust and Naziism as a political scheme and a political argument, really shows what type of guide this is because you know, there's no telling how many interviews he's going on in ash. And it has [1:09:06] Cameron M been asked the exact same questions, exact same manner that he asked you. It's really, [1:09:10] Dave Reilly it's really despicable thing actually. This actually leads us to a, an interesting super chat that we got from Anonymous who sent five dollars. Why did that guy call himself a fascist? Were you nervous or something? It's not even a sustainable ideology question mark. Who sent this? Why didn't you steal man Medi's positions and carry them through to their natural end? I don't know, an anonymous [1:09:30] Cameron M person did. But this, how about you, how about you go up there? That guy that just super chatter, that how about you go up there in front of millions of people who you know you're going to see it and argue with the guy who literally wrote a book about debating. And then you tell me what you would [1:09:42] Rebecca Hargraves have done. Exactly. Not only that, but I think colloquially fascism has a much different [1:09:49] Dave Reilly connotation than it does historically. And I think that even historically that it's a very defensible [1:09:54] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed position. Yeah. No, it obviously is. And especially like we were saying when Naziism and fascism is used [1:10:01] Dave Reilly as a way to demonize people that like have a rightly ordered view of the natural world because that's how those slurs are used today. They don't actually mean Nazi or fascist. Remember that dinner we went to with what's his face from Mother Jones? And it's like can you please define fascism for me? And like two and a half hours later, nothing, you know, never, never able to define it, never able to actually. It's an anti-white slur. If there's a white guy stating his opinions, [1:10:30] Cameron M you're going to get called just like how care is an anti-white slur. You're a woman, [1:10:35] Dave Reilly and you're standing on, if you're standing on business, you're going to get called a care and it's anti-white. And fascism is the same way. Racism is the same way. Anti-Semitic is the same way, [1:10:45] Cameron M but that's more diverse. If you oppose Jewish power, you're anti-Semitic. All these things are the same [1:10:49] Rebecca Hargraves thing as to a silencer. It's a repressive. It's one of those things that completely shuts everything [1:10:55] Dave Reilly down. Yeah, it's funny. The anti-Semite thing doesn't really work anymore now. They've been trying to do hater. You're a Jew hater. It's like, no, actually not. It's got a little bit better. [1:11:04] Rebecca Hargraves I'm going to be honest. It's got more bite. It actually means something because it's calling [1:11:08] Dave Reilly somebody anti-Semitic. It's like the Palestinians that you people are massacring right now, they're Semitic too. Like what is that even talking about? If you go look at like what the ADL considers [1:11:19] Cameron M anti-Semitic, and you know, they're like the authority on this matter, it's literally just holding [1:11:24] Dave Reilly positions that people have held since like literally just up until like 40 years ago. In fact, I still hold to like saying the Jews killed Jesus. That's like the that is literally the position. That's anti-Semitic. It's the central focal point of the Christian faith. It's the power. That's [1:11:38] Rebecca Hargraves anti-Semitic. Well, that's just true. That's just true. Yeah. It's literally just empirical facts The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:11:43] Dave Reilly are anti-Semitic, which is from... Yeah, we got another question from Pine Sap from righteous Muffin who sent $10. Ask Pine Sap if you would rather have America be a Catholic multicultural nation or 90 to 95% white atheist country that made Christian ethics the law. Interesting, weird. So the latter question is if it made Christian ethics the law. Yes, but it was atheist. Yes. That's a Christian nation though. Well, that's exactly it. That is a Christian nation. And like how would you uphold Christian ethics if you didn't have a base view of the Catholic worldview? That doesn't make any sense. Sin can't dwell with light, right? [1:12:27] Cameron M Virtue can't dwell with iniquity. So that's kind of fighting for two different kingdoms, right? [1:12:34] Dave Reilly And what I would say is, you know, this was a common like alt-right wignat talking point back then. I think when we first emerged on the dissident, right, the Catholic right first emerged, where they would say, oh well, would you rather have a nation where you're a minority, but it's Catholic or or it's white, but it's atheist. And you can look at a white atheist nation like Iceland, right? Iceland has one of the largest gay pride parades in the entire world. They have a penis museum. What they have like unbelievable rates. The women have the highest number of sexual partners of any country in the world. Really? Yeah, I mean, it's like, it's completely degenerate. Yes, it's an ethno-state technically, but what good is it? I want to challenge the person who asked that, not that they were asking in a bad way, but what good is it if I achieve a sort of temporal safety for white people and they're still damning their souls to hell? What good is it if I [1:13:36] Cameron M achieve sort of temporal safety and, you know, I get all these goods and there's an abundance of economic freedom or what have you for white people, but they're not inheriting the kingdom of God. [1:13:49] Dave Reilly You are subordinating the temporal end to be higher really than the the eternal end. And the [1:13:57] Cameron M eternal end is what we want for everybody. We want everyone to go to heaven. That's my mission at the [1:14:02] Dave Reilly end of the day. Is it just a political ideology? It's my entire metaphysical construct and worldview. [1:14:10] Rebecca Hargraves And if I'm not getting people to heaven, we're failing at that point. We're fundamentally failing. [1:14:16] Cameron M Listen, I'm going to have to push back on this just a little bit, just a little bit, a little bit of [1:14:21] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed banner. Listen, if it is multicultural, white, or minority, but everyone's Christian, or if everyone's white and no one's Christian, I'm taking the ladder. I'm going to tell you why. [1:14:34] Dave Reilly As you can't turn black's white, you can turn natheus Christian. That's the first thing. And the second thing is, sorry, but, you know, I don't want my daughter to grow up like in a city where like [1:14:48] Cameron M she might be, like the chances of her being like raped or like me being mugged is like astronomically [1:14:53] Rebecca Hargraves high. And that will happen because blacks go to church. Like they go to church much more than [1:15:00] Cameron M white people do. And that's not really denuring them from doing anything. So, you know, it is a false [1:15:06] Dave Reilly premise because I want a white and Christian nation. But if I had to choose, I would take the white for I think it would just be a better country to live in, at least, you know, in a material sense. And then you can change people's minds. You can change people's spirit. You can change the way people feel about things. You can't change someone's DNA. If the transhumanists get through a way, [1:15:25] Cameron M you know, maybe you'll be able to, but that's in the very, very not so, not so, you know, [1:15:30] Rebecca Hargraves not so near future. So, for the most part, I actually would take the white nation, but they're [1:15:35] Dave Reilly there are a little bit of caveats there. Interesting. All right, booktrek, roof sent $10 Bible quiz. What happened in two Samuel chapter 16? And what has said in Romans 12? I have no clue. But I'm going to, I'm going to defer to Pond's apple. I'm trying, I'm trying to even remember off the top of my head. I'm horrible at recalling specific verses from, from chapters and, and verse numbers, but I'd have to pull it up. [1:16:00] Cameron M Work at, we don't do that. Well, I do want to get to the point where I can, but I'm still, I'm still working on it. I defer to the priest and the traditions and what they say on these things. [1:16:13] Rebecca Hargraves I'm not, yes, I don't trust myself to interpret the literal word of God. No, I don't really trust [1:16:19] Cameron M myself with that. I don't memorize chapter and verse. I mean, I, obviously, you know, I, The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:16:24] Rebecca Hargraves it's really, I have very scared. This is also, but yeah, this is, yeah, this is super, [1:16:29] Cameron M it's scary. We've got, we got some backup from a rock, actually, over here. Shout out to [1:16:34] Dave Reilly Brock. Shout out, shout out Brock. Zebra's deception. Shemeek curses David. Absalom enters [1:16:41] Rebecca Hargraves Jerusalem. Like, I don't even, like, this is not means, like, it was a trap book track groups. [1:16:48] Dave Reilly Yeah, he's smarter than us sometimes. Roman chapter 12, living sacrifice, humility, and diversity in the body of Christ. Mark's the true living Christian. What he doesn't know this. There's a bunch of things in Romans chapter 12 that could be referenced here. I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't really, because there's a, there's a bunch of stuff. And in Romans, Romans is a [1:17:05] Cameron M beautiful book. Romans one in my favorite, by the way, because it tells you what happens when a [1:17:11] Dave Reilly society forgets God. And basically, everybody becomes like Sodomite murders and not good. Not good. [1:17:17] Rebecca Hargraves Not good. Roman's 13 has a very, a very, you know, political, it's important for the, [1:17:25] Dave Reilly has a lot of political implications. Romans 13, it talks about, you know, submitting to state power and submitting to the governing authorities and the state and the government's actually an institution that's ordained by God. If, if it's a just state, if it, you know, if it, you know, if it, you know, is Christian and carries out its duties, but it is an institution that's ruled and sanctioned [1:17:46] Cameron M by God. And, you know, Romans actually has a good bit of political implications. Yeah. [1:17:51] Dave Reilly Ryan Hart sent $25. Love these guys. You guys are doing great with guests. Love you too. We love Ryan Hart. Thank you for the big super chat. Ryan Hart. And yet, by the way, August is my month. It is. August is my, and I might be bleeding into September just a little bit. That's okay for, yeah, that's okay. I forget who that is. But we've got some big guests coming up, not only these two today, but next week we've got Marcel Dumas coming on show. My goat, my goat. Then we hold on a second. See, now I'm always blanking on who our guests are. My month was The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:18:26] Rebecca Hargraves awesome. Marcel is great. Marcel is great. We have Arville on. We had filter. And then we have on August [1:18:35] Dave Reilly 18th, Harrison Smith joining us from Info Wars. Nice. And closing out the month, we have the one and only Joel pastor, Joel Webin, but we can from that right response. Ministries fix to say Joe Barry. [1:18:56] Rebecca Hargraves Joe, do you want to be a writer? Do we ever do a right wing creator, clash me and Joel? Let's do it. Absolutely. I'm coming on September 1st. That's a great question. I forget who did [1:19:11] Dave Reilly I say was coming on. Elijah Schaefer. Elijah Schaefer is going to be coming on September 1st. And we are in talks with the one or only Safedin Amu, who might be. Are you just bleeding over into my month? A little bit, but we might, we might pay all the Safedin content. I'm not sure yet. We're still working it out. I think he's in Europe. So the time zones are a little different. You might be speaking at a conference over there. We're famed leeches. That's what we are. Well, that's how we make money. So anyway, a book track group sent $10 on rumble. Oh, yes, coin me. Coin all over me with your big Atlas gold coin. Oh, fuck is Bap. Not explaining the lore. Duma mineral water and lemons. [1:19:51] Rebecca Hargraves Bap is bronze age pervert. Okay, I'll give the lore. You know, it's pretty, it's pretty big, [1:19:58] Cameron M but basically there's this Romanian Jew. He's half Romanian and half Jews. So if you could ever think [1:20:02] Rebecca Hargraves of like someone's blood sucking, like a blood sucking parasite was in someone's DNA, it would be [1:20:08] Dave Reilly fucking that. And this guy's basically a pagan, a Nichean who has basically infiltrated the [1:20:15] Cameron M dissonant ride and pushed. I call it cryptosionist. Cryptosionist talking points and kind of giving it a more, you know, based in it. Yeah, actually, this fucking guy looks like he literally looks like [1:20:28] Dave Reilly a bodybuilder. By the way, this guy, Lord says a fucking nudist bodybuilder, everything's aesthetics with these people is almost nothing of substance. And his whole basic and he's heavily bankrolled, [1:20:39] Cameron M just like Curtis Jarvan by Peter Thiel. We all know about Peter Thiel with Palancy or in the military contracts and the infiltration that's going on with the CIA there. Basically, this guy has infiltrated The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:20:49] Dave Reilly the dissident ride. He has a lot of influence, not a lot of influence, but he has a spear heavily connected guy with a lot of influential people, captive dreamer. He's one of those guys in there. [1:20:59] Cameron M He has a lot of big following on Twitter. And in my opinion, their goal, essentially, is to make Zionism cool on the dissonant ride or make, you know, phylo-sympathism cool on the dissonant ride. If you're [1:21:12] Dave Reilly not a phylo-sympath, if you're not a Zionist, you're peasant-coded, you're brown-coded. If you make moral arguments, you know, not this grug, racism, good, because I have big guns, but if you make a moral [1:21:24] Rebecca Hargraves argument for right preservation, you're leftist-coded. Bath shot some strays at me the other day. He has me blocked. He shot some strays at me the other day talking about, you know, the quote, he said, [1:21:36] Cameron M he put it in quotes. He was calling everything fake. He was called Nick and the Candidate thing fake. [1:21:40] Dave Reilly And then he goes, the Jubilee debates was fake. Throwing some shade over at me and pine, stuff over here. But yeah, that's basically the law. He's this Jew who's heavily bankrolled by guys with CIA assets to, in my opinion, just make Jews look cool on the far dissonant ride. Well, he also, go ahead. Bankrolled to make them look cool while also looking like he's eight months pregnant. [1:22:05] Rebecca Hargraves Looks like a fucking ball. [1:22:08] Cameron M But I mean, the other thing that, you know, this BAP network, I've noticed, and I remember I've said this before I was talking with my dad. And it's like, you know, you get these guys that are out. They're [1:22:16] Dave Reilly talking about bodybuilding, slonking raw eggs, eating meat, getting fit, going to the gym, and then hyping you up to go die in a war for Israel. Right? Like, they are attempting to get, they are attempting to get white men to, to be in shape so that they can be used as cannon fodder for the Jewish empire. That's actually something that's important. I want to touch on real quick. Is the, the wide shift. You're saying white people in commercials again. You're the language is [1:22:45] Rebecca Hargraves changed. You see the Republican from Nebraska, the white woman doing a Roman in the picture? [1:22:51] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed A lot of people saying she wasn't doing the Roman. I think she was. And the reason, and it's not because she's some basic renazzi. They're signaling towards us. You know, who's James Lindsay, the woke right in this distinction? It's a very gay distinction to make. I don't really like it that much. But there is a distinction that's forming on the right, which is ones that care about race, you care [1:23:15] Rebecca Hargraves about religion, you care about your heritage, and the classical liberals. And they know that this [1:23:21] Dave Reilly quote unquote woke right side is winning. And so they're forced to signal towards us. They're going to put a white, they're going to put white people in commercials again. They're going to do really [1:23:30] Cameron M edgy stuff like throw up a Roman. They're going to use really cool rhetoric. But the whole point of it [1:23:34] Dave Reilly is is you're not going to get anything of substance. Your deportations are not happening. Epstein files are not coming out. And it's simply just to bring, because white people have essentially been completely disassociated from the system, especially since Biden. And Israel is in a lot of deep trouble right now. And the regime, just in general, the synagogue, as I would call it in contrast to Yarbens Cathedral, is completely demoralized. And the way to moralize it back is get the only actual real productive population in the country, the white people to be brought back into it. So [1:24:08] Cameron M you're going to get right wing ads. You're going to get a right wing culture shift. And it's completely [1:24:12] Dave Reilly just to bring you back into the system and completely give it moralize and support it again. And notice how the culture word now every few months or really kind of every month at this point [1:24:23] Rebecca Hargraves is like the right and the left debating over like gooner or soft core pornography ads, right? It's [1:24:29] Cameron M like, well, I think Sidney Sweeney's boobs are rat-wing. And then it's like, well, I think the problem is that she's not black and transgender. And it's like, it's so super strong. That's not so many people swore jacking on the right. Laura Lumer said something about it with Sidney Sweeney and the [1:24:47] Dave Reilly American ego ad. The CEO of American Eagles Jewish and not only is he Jewish on October, right after [1:24:54] Rebecca Hargraves October 7th have been American Eagles sponsored an ad on Times Square on this big ass building. [1:25:00] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed It was nothing but a fucking Israeli flag. Like that's who's giving you your base, the white [1:25:06] Dave Reilly right wing trad e-girl Sidney Sweeney. But it's meaningful that they think that they have to address this now. That means that white nationalism is mainstream. Well, it's certainly trending towards that way. The consciousness is waking up. Right. It's just signaling. It's just vibes. [1:25:21] Cameron M It is. As long as these people are in power, you're not going to get anything except Colombia having to pay $200 million to the federal government, including $21 million to their Jewish faculty and [1:25:35] Rebecca Hargraves students because they fail to clamp down on those anti-Israel protests. That's what you're going to [1:25:41] Cameron M be getting. That's your base. Not only that, but also just your face drum. Just today, I think they [1:25:46] Dave Reilly did something where basically any state that gets hit with a natural disaster in order for people that are affected by that natural disaster to get relief funding, they have to sign a pledge supporting Israel. Wow. They have to sign the pledge that they will not boycott divest or sanction or engage with any groups. For the tangent, by the way. No, it's all good. Let's see here. We have anonymous sent $10. Can I request a new interview? Chuck E2009. He would be an awesome interview. I don't know. He had a huge welding channel on YouTube that got banned when he read Brandon Terrence Manifesto and started Red Pillow's channel. Okay. So right, just muffin sent $10. That's the best Manifesto. Outside of Tekazinski, Brent and Terran, his was excellent. I've never read it. [1:26:34] Cameron M What? I've never read it. It's like Tekazinski was never mine, never mine. Yeah. We did it all [1:26:40] Dave Reilly like this. You could go back. I think it was actually episode four that we did the Tekazinski thing on. [1:26:44] Cameron M It was AGP. He was AGP. Right. Just muffin sent $10. We also have to remember that our generations [1:26:51] Dave Reilly were propagandized to believe that believing being a construction worker or working in trades should be looked down on. Yeah. People were told to go into tech. Now Indians and AI are taking it over. Just learn to code, bro. Yep. You know. Yeah. That's also a multi-level thing. The whole you don't go to college thing because all that does is let up Jews and liberals have a monopoly on [1:27:10] Cameron M college because the only people who are pushing the don't go to college thing are conservative. So The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:27:14] Dave Reilly what happens in their audience is mostly young white men. So Charlie Kurt going around telling people [1:27:19] Cameron M not to go to college. Not only is it really stupid because the jobs you're going to college for [1:27:23] Dave Reilly Indians there and Chinese people are coming to take them and they're doing them. It's deliberately [1:27:28] Cameron M forcing people to when you're telling them not to go to college. What that's happening is agriculture and politics starts at academia. And so when you're telling people not to go to academia that just opens up a huge monopoly for our enemies to actually have a string of hold on them on the academia. [1:27:43] Rebecca Hargraves That's exactly that's literally what's happened. Yep. Yep. Don't know what that sound was. Let's see [1:27:49] Dave Reilly an item. See minutes thing again. Oh, we got to wrap these super chasel pretty quick then. So you're just about to send $10. Pine sap should have turned the fascist thing around on. I'm talked about America's government and how the politicians do everything against our will and does stuff that hurts our people and country and ask how this is how this democracy is. He did. [1:28:08] Rebecca Hargraves He did do that. Yeah. Yeah. What do I think the friend enemy distinction is? Why do they think you [1:28:14] Dave Reilly brought that off? That was. And the thing was and I've kept saying this on interviews and stuff [1:28:19] Cameron M like that. It's like, I didn't bring Schmidt up because I'm like, Oh, he's on Nazi or something like that. It's like he's referenced by liberal academics. The reason I brought him up was because I was [1:28:29] Dave Reilly bringing up that friend enemy distinction and the whole point of like liberals love to, you know, [1:28:34] Cameron M moralize about democracy or what have you, but they're willing to use the quote unquote machinery of [1:28:39] Dave Reilly democracy to persecute us and go after us. And so when we get in power and we actually want to do [1:28:45] Cameron M The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed something with that power like, again, criminalize abortion or band gay marriage or what have you. Don't come crying to us. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, they've kind of set the precedent for that. [1:28:56] Dave Reilly Anonymous sent $5 regarding fascist equals sustainable. How long would fascist Italy and Nantes Germany have lasted if they had won the war when they ran out of countries to loot and they couldn't pay back the huge loans. They took out before the war. My God, well, I can actually address this because I know [1:29:12] Rebecca Hargraves you don't understand. Yeah, they would have been very sustainable because these countries were experiencing [1:29:20] Dave Reilly growth that had never really been seen before. You can talk about the debt, but what's really important is the debt to GDP ratio. How much debt was being accumulated plus the growth that the economy was [1:29:30] Cameron M actually having. How much could you actually pay that debt back? And a lot of that debt was [1:29:33] Rebecca Hargraves denominated in their own currency. There were a lot of it was essentially they were debt to themselves, [1:29:37] Cameron M which is not that big of a deal. And once again, the debt really wasn't that big of a deal. How sustainable would they would have been? That's only a question that you can answer if we know all these [1:29:49] Dave Reilly other different types of things like what they would have done. And frankly, we don't know what they would have done because international jewellery put the fucking gun on these guys almost immediately. What's interesting is even prior to the war, even in America, even in these other countries, [1:30:03] Cameron M you're actually looking to Italy as a sign of an economic miracle. Yeah, the Italian miracle, [1:30:10] Rebecca Hargraves because essentially the sort of corporatist system, not as in corporations, but the idea of kind of [1:30:17] Cameron M worker and company working in harmony for the greater good of the nation that they live in, that economic system kind of blew through the Great Depression. They didn't have really a Great Depression [1:30:28] Dave Reilly The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed and Italy going on similar to the other countries that had more just a user-based capitalist model. I mean, those countries were suffering while Italy was experiencing some of the best economic [1:30:38] Cameron M abundance they had seen in years. Yeah. It was the most I've ever seen in Italy and in Germany. And in Germany, these countries were thriving and they were probably going to continue to thrive. [1:30:51] Dave Reilly We don't really know because sadly, they were destroyed. But the only thing I can really say is not [1:30:57] Cameron M only was Italy and also Germany doing very well economically. They're also doing very well spiritually. [1:31:02] Rebecca Hargraves Not a lot of people know this, but the reason why the Vatican has sovereignty and the Vatican is [1:31:06] Dave Reilly its own independent state is because Mussolini and the fascist government made a deal with the Vatican [1:31:11] Rebecca Hargraves where they declared Catholicism and the natural national religion. They gave the Vatican sovereignty. [1:31:17] Cameron M And for the first time, basically, contemporary Italian history, the Vatican recognized Italy as a [1:31:22] Dave Reilly valid state because there have been a lot of contentions about the papal states and how things like that had been going on. And they solved essentially what they called the Roman question where the [1:31:30] Rebecca Hargraves Catholic Church and the Italian state was finally actually unionized. And then with Germany, I mean, everyone knows they cleared out the homosexuals, they cleared out the transgenders, [1:31:39] Cameron M they solved the prostitution, which was rampant during the Weimar Republic. So not only were these countries economically very stable, spiritually, they were thriving in a way that hadn't seen in years. [1:31:48] Rebecca Hargraves And I reject the premise that Hitler's modus operandi was worldwide domination. [1:31:52] Dave Reilly Yeah, he wasn't going around. I mean, maybe he looted the Rothschilds bank just a little bit, right? And I mean, I think they kidnapped one of the Rothschild boys, held him for ransom, and then took all the assets of the bank. But I mean, like, that was a good thing because they hid stolen that anyway. So The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed fuck it. By the way, Hitler was man of the year in 1938, according to Time magazine, he was lauded for his economics. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah, that is a real magazine that actually happened. So there was something else I was going to put you better hustle before [1:32:23] Cameron M these boys know something about corporations. Yes, you know, this is something that has never [1:32:30] Dave Reilly really been able to be tried in America because when you look at, there was a court case between the Dodge Brothers and Henry Ford. The Dodge Brothers sued Henry Ford because Ford wanted to take the profits from Ford Motor Company and improve the working conditions, raise laborers wages, and make Ford a better company to work for. And the Dodge Brothers believed that all of the profits from Ford should be used to enrich the shareholders. They took them to court, sued him, and that basically created this precedent where corporations only purpose for existing is to enrich the shareholders, and it has nothing to do with improving the lives of their workers, which is why we get a lot of the union busting and, you know, foreign labor coming in because they have to drive down wages to maximize profits for shareholders. So this is, you know, that is a precedent that should be overturned at some point would be nice. Let's see what happens. I'm not holding my breath. Anonymous sent five dollars. I love that. The opportunity to debate many. And I would ask him if white immigration was good for his native India and whether he genuinely believes. That's evil. No, that's actually a nation of immigrants can exist or have to latch itself on to a native body. Right. That's evil. It's evil when white people do it. Yep. Hold on. I got a replacement. [1:33:47] Cameron M I don't know if y'all know this, but many like 15 years ago, it was like a radical islamicist, [1:33:54] Dave Reilly like there's clips of him that he's saying all these evil things about careers. Well, if I might interject even he this year in February, I think was around the 15th said make American planes crash [1:34:08] Rebecca Hargraves again when a tragic plane accident happened in Georgia to innocent people who didn't have government [1:34:15] Dave Reilly positions were just normal people in a private plane, sadly lost their lives and he's celebrating their death saying make American planes crash again. Who is this guy to moralize to anybody else? [1:34:27] Cameron M Yeah, you're right. Here's the tweet. Make American planes crash again. What a son of a bitch. Bastard. He is not what he is not allowed on the backlash. Right. He went on the bulwark which [1:34:42] Dave Reilly is a media which is a media program owned by Bill Crystal, the neo-conju. So it does this Israel art. First interview he went on after Jubilee was on the bulwark which is a neo-conservative pro, you know, spreading liberal democracy and whatnot owned by a neo-conju. That's where he went. It's always so sad to see and you know like we're seeing this even with again what's this guy from Mother Jones The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed where it's like you know you get fired from the Southern Poverty Law Center for standing up against the genocide in Gaza and then you turn around and start working from Mother Jones magazine taking your marching orders from like murder as Zionists painting them you know in the circle for him. We'll see when this hit piece comes out. It's supposed to come out maybe September. You know I was joking with him the other day you know like oh look it's coming out just in time to sway the election in November. Great work guys you know to be like totally not transparent [1:35:37] Rebecca Hargraves here. Right. Just move and send five dollars. Pynesapevated my question. If those were the only two [1:35:42] Dave Reilly if those are the only two options which one would you pick the Bible could be seen as a book of morals to base the society without believing in God and Jesus. These hypotheticals man they're afraid. So is he I think I missed that question a little bit. Is he asking do I live in a 90 to 95 percent white atheist country or a multicultural Catholic nation. Well again it's a false premise [1:36:05] Cameron M because I think that Dumerna put it well where you know I do believe that if we just had the native [1:36:10] Dave Reilly population that population could convert or what have you but again I think it's seen the whole [1:36:16] Rebecca Hargraves conversation too much through temporal means. If I care about my race. If I care about my people [1:36:22] Dave Reilly what I ultimately want is the salvation of my people. And this is the way that the saints spoke. You [1:36:27] Cameron M know when when any saint from a particular culture whether it was Europe Africa Asia converted [1:36:34] Dave Reilly they saw a debt and a duty to their people to convert them to the true faith and get them to heaven. [1:36:39] Cameron M And that's the same that that is the same view that I have. I am sad to see white people turning away [1:36:45] Dave Reilly from Christianity white people turning away from Catholicism. And I want to bring us back into the church as I want to bring all people back into the church. So I reject that false premise. I think that there's no reason to have the case where the native population doesn't exist. And so yes [1:37:00] Cameron M I would agree that I think the native population should be there but the native population needs to be The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:37:05] Dave Reilly converted. Yeah. When people put us this question it's something my my answer to this is always when Ireland be Ireland without Catholicism would Italy be Italy without Catholicism would would Germany be Germany without Catholicism and then later Luther would would America be America without the was Protestant population. No it wouldn't be you cannot separate people from its history and also its faith. And it is true that we used to be pagan but as soon as we came into contact with Christ we immediately were converted and the building of a unified Europe and Western civilization was under the Catholic church and eventually Protestantism. So it's something you really can't separate from one another. All right I don't know guys can you tell me how much time we have left on this Google [1:37:49] Cameron M thing it might say I don't know if it has account. Five minutes. Five minutes. All right okay anonymous [1:37:54] Dave Reilly sent five dollars we might have missed a few of my superchats will stop posting as anonymous I guess. Hold on a second I think you you did have the superchat let me go back but I didn't think in money. I don't think it really pertained to anyone. Let's see no I read all those. [1:38:16] Cameron M This was the one that I hadn't done yet because I didn't see how it was directed towards anyone and [1:38:20] Dave Reilly we are limited on time. Anonymous and five dollars continue on from the fairness argument how did Nick Fuentes destroy Tucker Carlson in that brief back and forth because he instinctively knew to go for the fairness argument and framed Rich Tucker and Royal Candace as bitching changelings. So that was the anonymous post that I didn't get before sorry about that you know by the way you can type in whatever name you want and we can keep track of it that way. But because we are on limited time I do want to make sure that we get a good promo in for both of these guys they're great follows on Twitter. We've got Dumernatt 22 at Dumernatt 22 on Twitter and Fields Guy is your pine saps current what you call it handle at Fields Guy 2003. May a pine saps with the same number of followers you'll [1:39:13] Cameron M notice that we're about to look at. Nice we're so back. You guys are going to grow a lot more and we just got a $50 super chat from some purple. Hey thank you for joining the $50 club. He didn't send any [1:39:29] Dave Reilly message to it so if you did want to say something you can send us an email to info at the backlash [1:39:34] Rebecca Hargraves any closing remarks. Yes no I have closing remarks I hate to go into mom mode here but you guys are just so adorable this makes me feel so like like everything is going to be fine like we're in good [1:39:47] Dave Reilly hands like I can get old and die and it's okay and I hope my daughters marry men like you. Aww I appreciate you thank you that's one of the best cosplays you've ever done. [1:40:01] Rebecca Hargraves The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed We really appreciate you guys coming on thank you so much is there any closing of thoughts that you guys wanted to throw in there before before before we head out. Yeah I mean yeah I do it's going to be real like quick and short. Yeah oh boy already plugged my Twitter thank you for that [1:40:16] Dave Reilly it was really nice coming on I really appreciate it. One thing I do want to shout out is Kevin McDonald has a new addition of culture of critique coming out. I'm not being paid to say any of this [1:40:27] Cameron M or anything like that but I really respect him as a scholar and so all everywhere I go I'm always going to promote K-Map and yeah man just you know I love being white and everyone should love being [1:40:38] Dave Reilly white and submit to Rome. Based by SAP closing thoughts. I would just say thank you so much for having me on this was so much fun I had a blast with all of you guys and I'm honored to be on this platform and all I can say is that for anyone listening price loves you he wants a relationship with you follow him to the ends of the earth and I promise that your life will be filled with a measurable joy then then you could ever comprehend. That's what I want to leave off. I'm in thank you so much we [1:41:09] Rebecca Hargraves really appreciate it guys we'll talk to you soon. Anytime. Hey guys thank you all right very good [1:41:16] Dave Reilly let's see this is good I'm picking better people to come on the show now this is you know we've taken some good critique from the audience we're getting some very very nice people. You know I often feel like [1:41:26] Rebecca Hargraves we're totally fucked and then I'll have conversations like this and I'll be like all right the next generation they've got it under control they've got the right attitude. Good to go yeah no sorry [1:41:38] Dave Reilly you keep keep with the talking bit because I just have a couple things. Keep with the talking bit can you please keep with the talking. No I've been thinking a lot about Nick Fuente I've been praying for Nick Fuente's a lot so I'm really worried he's going to get killed. Yeah that's true did you see that speaking of just to give a little bit of a you told me to keep talking and I had like a I had an end to what I was going to say and now you've you've disrupted my love. Well you reminded I'm sorry but you've reminded me of this. Anyway just watching Nick Fuente's talk for an hour [1:42:08] Rebecca Hargraves and a half two hours without itting an eruption without losing his train to thought it's just [1:42:13] Dave Reilly incredible like he's just such a remarkable talent. Yeah but here's the we've got this clip. A guy this is Joel Webman by the way he's going to be joining us at the end of the month but this this is relevant to the discussion at hand. Like Nick the only way that you can really I think successfully The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed [1:42:29] Rebecca Hargraves get rid of him is you you have to de-platform him you have to because if he's allowed to speak [1:42:37] Dave Reilly yeah if he's allowed to speak he's going to win yeah that doesn't mean he's going to win everybody there'll be plenty of people listening to this and be like what he's not going to win he's a fed he's this he's well let me say like this it's not just he's going to win he's winning. Yeah and you may just not have admitted it yet and that's perfectly fine you know like you have your reasons whatever and I'm not going to insinuate you know interior motives for why people might feel that way but [1:43:03] Rebecca Hargraves but the facts still exist. I had not listened to anything from Nick Fuentes once not even a clip nothing until about six months ago and six months ago I started listening because people that I trust [1:43:18] Dave Reilly right not just somebody who's you know often left field but people that I trust started sending me clips yeah and why did they start looking at these clips you know because all of a sudden he's on TikTok [1:43:29] Rebecca Hargraves and he's on Instagram and he's let back on Twitter and and the clips go viral on Twitter [1:43:34] Dave Reilly like for a while there it's like he couldn't be on any platform he's still not allowed to be on YouTube or at least his personal channel I think he's gone as a guest on other people's channels and YouTube has [1:43:45] Rebecca Hargraves allowed it but I think as the suppression of free speech continues to dissipate you're not going to [1:43:53] Dave Reilly be able to get rid of him you're not and so then you can't just use the tactics of well he said this and this one clip like because now people are going to listen for themselves very true so true and you know that comes in the context of Joel tweeting this you know how do you Ryan Mata another guest on our show said how do you think they plan to suicide Nick Fuentes Joel Webin says I have no doubt that there are many plans pray for his protection we should all be praying for him remember they sent someone to his house to kill him in like December or whatever and we were one of the only podcasts that talked about it there was a complete news blackout on the assassination attempt against Nick Fuentes people were pretending like it didn't happen and then you get Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens calling him a fed calling him gay and you know people see through this so this is probably going to be what we talk about on Wednesday of course because this is it's huge between Nick Fuentes on the one side and what's happening in Israel and the other side these you know this is the biggest political commentator of a generation on the one hand and on the other the Zionism problem is the biggest issue of our generation that needs to be confronted it's not about lower taxes it's not about I mean yes the immigration thing is obviously important but when you really look into these issues it wouldn't be the way that it is if it weren't for the United States and Israel's parasitic relationship one to another and Israel's control over our politics so we have to deal with these things we're going to talk about it on Wednesday and let me just double check I think we did get some more super chats but first we need to thank this program The Backlash - Episode 62 — Pinesap & Doomernat22 on Race, Faith & Power_transcribed sponsors another one of them we already talked a little bit about Atlas bullion but also IdahoTaloCompany.com is a fantastic place to get skin products and your soaps and lip balm and if you are sick of skin care packed with chemicals you can't pronounce North IdahoTaloCompany keeps it simple with grass-fed tallow time-tested ingredients and zero junk their soaps, balms and lip balm are packed with bio-available nutrients your skin actually needs no fillers no endocrine disruptors just rugged reliable skin care that works ditch the synthetic garbage [1:46:10] Cameron M and switch to North IdahoTaloCompany get yours at IdahoTalo.com and please do so because a portion [1:46:19] Dave Reilly of every bar of soap that gets sold at IdahoTalo goes to help support this program and also we have to thank our wonderful sponsors who I believe might have a hand in publishing Kevin McDonald's second edition of the culture of critique is Antelope Hill publishing. 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