Episode 97 — AI, Paganism & the Death of the West: James Kirkpatrick UNCENSORED!

Episode 97 Episode 97 — AI, Paganism & the Death of the West_ James Kirkpatrick UNCENSORED! [02:39] Rebecca: Welcome to the backlash. I am your host Rebecca Hargrave joined as always by mr. Dave Riley [02:45] Rebecca: Hello a=er a short hiatus. We're back. Oh, and I totally forgot. I need to get power chat up I need to get my entropy stream up. Yeah, I walk in you just want to go live. I'm like, no I We need to do things before we go live So let's see if we can sEll produce and run this show a=er a two-week hi Probably not people hated the episode that we pre-recorded. There's no way hated it. They hated it Oh, yeah, why did they hate it? I don't know. Nobody wants to get married Everybody thinks we don't understand the plight of men. Good thing Cameron was there. So we applause I saw a lot of people criEcizing Kim. They're like Kim's projecEng on to all other people blah, blah, blah, whatever I don't want to hear it. I don't know you can find us on x at real backlash our website the backlash net support us on Subscribes our comm slash the backlash patreon.com slash the backlash Send your super chats that will be read live at the end of the show to the backlash net slash super chat or right here on My youtube channel, which I'm sure is where you're watching this [03:42] Rebecca: Follow us on youtube that is at real backlash. Let's get those numbers up rumble. We got to get these numbers up [03:49] Rebecca: Rumble backlash podcast Instagram real dot backlash Eck tock at backlash pot. Thank you so much for joining us today a big Thanks to above-Eme coffee roasters. That is small batch Dave [04:02] Rebecca: small batch Coffee does does you have it up? There we go Small batch coffee Dave's drinking some right now. I am. Where is it? He's drinking the blonde roast? Oh, yeah, the blonde roast is really good We're gonna be doing the the Italian roast. They've got like what is that? [04:19] Rebecca: Italian Italian organic, you know how I feel about Italians. I will not be drinking that out of principle Idaho tallow that is skin care without endocrine disruptors and antelope white posiEve Publisher without further ado and ODGG supply. Oh, yeah, that's right. They're a new Sponsor did you guys all like do the white Wednesday stuff? I like bought a shit ton of books and I'm an animal. I went nuts I went nuts with all the white Wednesday 15% 20% off sales. I totally did that. I got Nuremberg [04:51] Dave: Nuremberg the last ba[le rise of the Reich and [04:55] Dave: There was a book about Jose Antonio primavera de Rivera. Yeah that I bought nice So I'm looking forward to reading those. It'd be very good looking forward to it today Without further ado without further ado Dave. I think we should do further ado I think we should just keep him on the line for like [05:13] Dave: We have Kevin Deanna who was also James Kirkpatrick you might have seen him on Twi[er and Gregory hood Episode 97 [05:18] Rebecca: He's been around he's been around for a while for a while. Oh gee oh gee over here a host of idenEty poliEcs from American Renaissance Which is available on rumble and odyssey. Thank you so much for joining us today. I've been [05:32] Rebecca: Listening to your streams lately You have such excellent insight into especially the current predicament of the movement and that's what we're gonna be talking about today So thank you for joining us. We really appreciate it. Now. It's a real honor to be here guys. I appreciate everything you're doing. Oh [05:46] Guest-1: Honored he's honored to be here. Oh You know even even as an Italian you're right about what you said about Italian [05:55] Guest-1: I've always said I've always said the definiEon of victory for me is very simple It's the day I get deported for not belonging [06:02] Guest-1: So wait, what are you? What is your ethnic background is it German Irish and Italian? But being from North Jersey the Italian in your blood just gets magnified by four Emes Yes, the uh kind of cultural osmosis. Yes, okay. You are a very unfortunate Same thing. You're a very unfortunate [06:20] Guest-1: To I heard you were Catholic or at least bapEzed Catholic so he can talk about we'll get into that I'm sure we will first. Let's talk a li[le bit about the doxing because we were wasEng it in the green room a li[le bit Tell me about the day that you were that you were [06:35] Guest-1: Say I was that it's actually kind of funny [06:37] Rebecca: I mean the whole reason I had this stupid thing with all the different pen names and everything else which in retrospect was idioEc But there were things possible when I started because I've been doing this for a long Eme Yeah, we're talking like 2006. Yeah, there were things possible then that aren't possible now because I was wriEng for countercurrents I was wriEng for radix. I was doing all the kind of alt-right stuff while working in the conservaEve movement Like my most respectable Eme in my professional career was also when I was like reading Siege and wriEng insane stuff [07:08] Rebecca: Vanguard sites, but you could do that. Yeah, and you could do that because to some extent if you were doing radical stuff There was no danger of censorship Amazon would sell any book you wanted you could buy any book you wanted [07:22] Guest-1: You didn't really get the hit pieces and nobody really cared if there was something you didn't really worry about doxing But that was because everything we were saying was just sort of screaming into the ether and it didn't I Don't want to say it didn't ma[er because I think it paved the way for a lot of things But it didn't ma[er the same way things ma[er now And so when I got dox it was years years down the line It was actually an ex-girlfriend from years before Who had worked at the daily caller who had worked at Breitbart? Her name was KaEe McHugh and she had kind of been Episode 97 [07:56] Rebecca: You remember how it was there was sort of this tacit alliance between what we would now call the alt-right and the alt-right and she was kind of in that space This had been years a=er I'd seen her or whatever and she'd go[en involved with a bunch of like various DC conservaEves apparently things had gone south and [08:13] Rebecca: We had heard that there was this AtlanEc arEcle by Rosie Gret [08:17] Guest-1: Years before of which she had like fed a bunch of info too And it was gonna dox all these people and say embarrassing things about all these different people and we were all trying to you know kind of suppress it and At least like save who could be saved that didn't work and then a couple years later I got doxed with everything I had and the day I got doxed [08:38] Rebecca: I was actually at the V-Dare Castle and it happened. I was at the V-Dare Castle I was looking out. I was on like one of the ba[lements I was looking out over Berkeley Springs and Best part the day I got doxed was also the day they announced COVID was a big deal and all the lockdowns and everything [08:58] Guest-1: So it was funny in the sense that this was the day that I had thought about I mean now Of course, I don't care and I feel embarrassed forever fearing it, but [09:07] Guest-1: This was the day that in some sense, I had feared my enEre professional career and nobody cared Nobody cared because everybody was talking like the world was coming to an end and that we were all gonna die from the horrible disease Or like kill each other over food and toilet paper or whatever else and I was like, well, you know what like even if it does go to hell [09:25] Rebecca: I'm siang in a castle. So this is a pre[y good place to be [09:28] Rebecca: That is the truth of doxing Greg Johnson famously said, you know, they can only doc you doxy once right well You can I don't know I feel like I've been I've been cancelled at least six Emes and it's funny because it's [09:42] Dave: No, it did work the first the first Eme when I got cancelled in 2017 a=er Charlo[esville We like lost our radio staEons. I lost I had to resign in a bulletproof vest It was like, you know, I was exiled to Kansas. You didn't have to [09:56] Dave: Well, it was 27. It was before the words cancer even it was different. Yeah, it was very different then I mean [10:02] Dave: People how you would see people I mean, how many people in Charlo[esville? Let's take that for an example [10:08] Rebecca: People who went to Charlo[esville a lot of them were guys who had only been involved for a few months They they had they had not seen a thing or two. They had not known anything before the alt-right They thought that you could kind of do this sort of stuff without consequence And there was this weird combinaEon of things going on where you had Episode 97 [10:24] Rebecca: Simultaneously, we are the vanguard. We are radicals. We are war with the system We have no paEence for normie conservaEves who try to work in the conservaEve movement, you know, like me like I did beforehand [10:35] Guest-1: But at the same Eme the system's not gonna break its own laws to do anything against us This that we have a permit the system's not gonna break its permit and do anything weird to get us in trouble They're not gonna skew the law to get us in trouble years a=er the fact [10:52] Rebecca: Right and what ended up happening is you had a lot of guys who were who were charged up [10:58] Rebecca: going in and Confronted a system that has no compuncEon whatsoever about breaking its own rules and think of how many people didn't just get fired but Commi[ed suicide. Oh, yeah denounced by their parents. I mean just the most [11:14] Rebecca: Insane personal circumstances you can possibly imagine something no le=ist in this country will ever confront No ma[er how radical they think they are. I mean the most milk toast college Republican Who's a sophomore has faced more real opposiEon in his enEre life than any Communists will ever face in this country or in Europe for that ma[er, right and people in Charlo[esville They had no no real idea what they were geang no idea. No, I had no idea I mean I had I mean the whole thing about how I got into the alt-right anyway Was like I had become aware of a lot of these issues the Jewish quesEon and all of that kind of stuff [11:47] Dave: Donald Trump red-pilled me on race like, you know, it was that one speech was like they're coming across the border They're selling drugs the rapists and I assume some of them are very fine people or whatever it was And I had literally never even thought about race unEl that moment. Are you serious? I'm dead serious [12:06] Dave: I knew about Jewish influence and all this kind of stuff, but I had no earthly idea about the immigraEon problem or race And so that happened and it's like all of a sudden There's like are the Donald and you know this Daily Stormer website that seems to be making some kind of sense And I have my radio show and so I got this li[le Pepe pin and I went down to Harrisburg to watch a Ben Shapiro speech Right and somebody came up. It was like, hey, I like your pin and it turned out that that person was like Richard Spencer's lawyer [12:36] Dave: And that's that's how I got in and he's like, hey, you know, they're destroying our monuments You should come down and cover it and I'm like, okay cool You know Thinking like you know, this is normal I met this guy at like a conservaEve thing with Ben Shapiro and like this is where we're going and it's that was not what happened It's like all of a sudden it's like the fucking NSM shows up with swasEka flags. I'm like, what am I doing here? [13:00] Dave: What's going on anyway, but there were there were a lot of normal people there? I mean, this is something that only president Trump only president Trump seems to have pointed this out [13:09] Rebecca: Where a lot of people did just kind of show up because for all of American history It was taken for granted that if you had a permit you could have whatever kind of Episode 97 demonstraEon you want I think the single most important thing that shows the shi= in American culture that's happened over the last 15 years Was right a=er that rally if you remember the ACLU which had iniEally defended the right of the Charlo[esville Protesters to have the United Right demonstraEon Yep, put out a picture where it had this like li[le blonde girl holding an American flag It was just like sort of a clip art almost type picture and it said like this is the future we want and [13:46] Rebecca: Everybody went nuts all these le=ists were saying this is Nazi propaganda. You're the scum of the earth You're responsible for all these things and if you recall soon a=erward the ACLU basically said we're not going to defend Free speech for far-right people anymore. We're gonna change our enEre policy And this was an organizaEon that unEl basically 2017 had bragged About the fact that it would even defend the rights of uniform Nazis to march through Skokie, Illinois or wherever it was [14:15] Rebecca: Now free speech was something and this is the biggest thing. I wish people who [14:20] Guest-1: Are coming into this later would understand compared to where we were in like 2012 2013 In 2012 2013, we were so naive we took it absolutely for granted that the internet would never be censored [14:33] Dave: We took it absolutely for granted that free speech was core to the American idenEty And that was the one thing that we all had in common The how quickly we've lost free speech and how quickly respectable opinion has declared that free speech as we used to think of it Not that long ago 15 years ago is now essenEally a far-right [14:52] Rebecca: fascist opinion is The biggest single change in American culture that's happened recently bigger than a bigger than any of this stuff Because 15 years ago, it didn't ma[er where you were it would have been taken absolutely for granted that you could say whatever you want you could have a demonstraEon of any kind you want as long as you had a permit and [15:09] Rebecca: Nobody believes that anymore except of course the so-called fascist right and I'm seeing a lot of newcomers to the movement They're like we're not accomplishing anything and I look back when I started my channel I think it was 2015 like the the lengths that we have gone in the last decade are Astonishing to me. JQ is just it's a common talking point amongst Normies now we've gone full circle in terms of censorship I mean people are geang reinstated le= and right Nick Fuentes was just on Pierce Morgan I'm like what what is happening right now? And so I need people to zoom out a li[le bit and see that there has been some progress in the discourse and especially In normalizing some of these talking points that we're gonna discuss today. Um Dave. Were you gonna say something? No? Oh, I was I'm prepping other things. Okay. Um, sorry my bad. No, it's okay. No, I agree with everything that he said [15:57] Dave: I agree with everything you said I have no idea what you said because I'm over here doing other things But yes, one of the things that I find very encouraging Episode 97 [16:07] Rebecca: Amongst all right if we're even using that term anymore and the dissident right is I think we're all coming to the conclusion That democracy is not really working in in the way that we grew up as Americans thinking that it would so but I'm sEll seeing some people On the reservaEon on this one. So if democracy is [16:28] Rebecca: Fundamentally incapable of producing anything but mediocrity and decay and I think we can all agree on that Why do so many people on the right? [16:37] Rebecca: SEll they're sEll wasEng Eme trying to reform trying to save it instead of just openly calling for its aboliEon like The conclusion that most of us have come to at this point. I [16:50] Rebecca: Think there are a couple reasons for that first of all [16:53] Guest-1: The conservaEve movement systemaEcally trains people who come in To think only in a certain way and I think the most harmful defense of [17:03] Guest-1: ConservaEsm is that we value the conservaEve tradiEon We know value the American conservaEve tradiEon precisely because it leads to individualism because it leads to classical liberalism [17:13] Rebecca: Because it leads to a form of right-wing thought that's different from the evil conEnental System that has execuEve power in old-fashioned reacEonary social values and this kind of stuff [17:26] Rebecca: It's fundamentally true that America is at its core a liberal [17:30] Guest-1: NaEon and that we don't really have a counter enlightenment or true right- wing reacEonary tradiEon That's indigenous to this country. I mean you kind of have to go looking for it If you're looking for something to ground your thought in That's one Two of course if you go outside those boundaries and you're working in the conservaEve movement in any systemaEc way You're just gonna get fired. I mean there are certain lines You don't cross and it's not just a quesEon of oh, don't criEcize Israel [17:56] Rebecca: Oh, don't criEcize immigraEon too o=en. Oh, don't talk about race. I mean if you start saying things like You know, maybe the framers got a couple things wrong when it came to the ConsEtuEon I mean that alone you're gone. Yeah, that's it's a kind of blasphemy and ConservaEves I o=en say, you know, are there any real progressives because what I would say is everybody's a blood and soil naEonalist for the people they actually like and a lot of these so- called progressives are really just naEonalist for other people But I reluctantly have to concede that perhaps the only real progressives are white American ConservaEves because they're the only ones who really truly [18:32] Guest-1: honestly seem to believe in civic naEonalism in the idea that the ConsEtuEon and certain liberal principles are enough to bind a naEon together and that if we just [18:43] Guest-1: Educate people enough if we just have enough Spanish language ConsEtuEons that we hand over to people who cross the border Episode 97 [18:50] Rebecca: Eventually, this is all going to work out and o=enEmes. Maybe this is mixed in with some sort of [18:55] Rebecca: Evangelical impulse to convert the newcomers to whatever denominaEon of ChrisEanity you think is going to cut it the truth of course is that The way democracy works in this country and in Europe is it has almost nothing to do with the will of people and this Is I guess the the final point when we talk about democracy having to define our terms true democracy in the sense of The people get what they want might actually work for us I mean poll a=er poll shows that most people want illegal immigrants gone But an organized minority always defeats an unorganized majority and the way democracy actually works in the Western world Is it's the judicial branch? It's the bureaucracy. It's the NGOs It's the taxpayer-funded organizaEons, especially when it comes to refugee route se[lement that call the shots and [19:41] Rebecca: public opinion and the will of the people if such a thing can even be considered legiEmate given that a lot of Emes It's just condiEoned by the media doesn't really have a big impact Most of the important decisions that have shaped our country over the last [19:56] Rebecca: 60 70 years had no public input whatsoever. I mean think of what happened in California People always say what happened to California? Why didn't they save themselves? They did save themselves They voted for a referendum that would cut all aid to illegal immigraEon and one judge [20:11] Rebecca: threw it out and that doomed the state and There's no soluEon within the system To prevent that and so when we talk about democracy we have to frame it in a way where it's not just I Think most Americans are probably not ready for like, oh, let's get rid of democracy But I think what we need to say is that the way people say our democracy what they really mean is their democracy has nothing to do with the will of the people and There's no Actual way to have any kind of an impact on any really important issue what we need is A system where you have a government that can actually govern Where you have somebody who actually represents the sovereign will of the people who can carry out the sort of fundamental duEes That need to define the naEon right now. We have a system that I think is slowly moving toward The rule of the absolute worst where the more sociopathic the more hypocriEcal and the more crassly cynical you are the more power You accumulate and that's just not a system worth defending [21:12] Rebecca: Is a silver lining there though because the people are being primed for authoritarianism Yeah, fascism which we could use to our benefit I mean, it's it's it is the age of caesarism is gonna come I mean Spengler talked about this a long Eme ago. Yaki talked about this a long Eme ago I think even Trump himself. I mean, I know people [21:32] Rebecca: Maybe it's because I'm old and I remember how bad things used to be that perhaps I'm a bit [21:37] Rebecca: Je[ler on Trump than many would be but I Think Trump is a preparatory step to what's coming and think of some of the things that he himself has said In terms of we are going to make we're gonna give rebates to ciEzens with money We get from other countries Episode 97 either through tariffs or whatever else we're gonna get rid of the income tax We're gonna use federal troops to suppress crime in all of these ciEes. We're going to [22:02] Rebecca: Have monuments and we're gonna have a vision of American history that inspires pride in our country and all of these sorts of things And none of these things actually happen because Congress of course is not capable of passing legislaEon at this point regardless of who's in charge The judiciary is just gonna rule everything he wants to do unconsEtuEonal and bureaucracy doesn't obey him And so as Peter Brimlow predicted back in 2015 President Trump is sort of like King Kong on the top of the Empire State Building just kind of like screaming into the night but unable to really do anything as he's surrounded by all these planes like shooEng at him and [22:34] Rebecca: We're all saying well Trump. Why aren't you why aren't you stepping up? Why aren't you crossing the Rubicon? Why aren't you doing any of these things? He probably can't he doesn't have the power But what he's showing and this is the one thing we have to give him absolute credit for [22:49] Rebecca: President Trump's historic role was to expose the enemy for what they are and he has also exposed that the system is [22:57] Guest-1: Fundamentally not capable of reforming itself. And so this is just something we have to go through It's gonna suck [23:04] Rebecca: It's gonna be frustraEng and a lot of people are gonna really mad and think that President Trump is a failure But I don't think and this is not meant as an insult to him I don't think he's a failure so much as he is impotent He is unable to do the things that need to be done to save the country and even though he may quote Napoleon He who saves his country violates no law He's not Napoleon and he doesn't have the kind of resources to just declare himself emperor and solve all our problems But in the long run, I don't think there's a way out except through strong execuEve leadership He could be doing so much more at least to bring the JQ into public consciousness He's he's Israel's dog. Well, I mean, I don't even think it's a ma[er of like the JQ thing [23:47] Dave: I mean, like, you know when it comes to the we all get that like, you know, Zog is captured the presidency the Congress blah blah blah Don't act like that's trite. Well, I mean, I guess it is for me [23:58] Dave: But I guess like the the quesEon is it's on these other issues where it's like we would agree with Steven Steven Hammer The Hebrew Hammer Steven Miller Wow [24:12] Dave: Like we would agree with Steven Miller about like deportaEons and you know geang rid of people but like here it is you've got Zionist guy in charge of deportaEons and What are we doing? What are we doing at this point? Like I saw a video over the weekend of like ice [24:31] Dave: Driving over somebody's foot and like they broke their foot and they're there like lying on the sidewalk screaming It's fucking brutal and it's like why are we doing this? Like are we? Episode 97 [24:43] Dave: We're just like sEcking our finger and like the le= side and and begging them yeah to hit us back [24:50] Dave: We're like not doing anything because of opEcs [24:53] Guest-1: Because of opEcs the opEcs on this thing sucks. I don't know I want mass deportaEons I think most Americans want deportaEons we voted for that. That was what the whole Trump elecEon was [25:04] Dave: But we're not deporEng anybody and not only are we not deporEng people what we are doing in this like ham-fisted way is like [25:12] Dave: Enraging the le=. Yes, and we're not backing it up with anything They're gonna come into power in twenty eight and fucking wipe us out They're doing it deliberately because it creates the veneer of [25:23] Dave: Brutality in terms of deportaEon with at without the substance which is much more difficult to execute [25:28] Rebecca: I mean everything that goes to the White House is so Carefully curated for public consumpEon like this is no accident that they're doing this. They don't care that they're pissing off the le= I mean, but this is pissing us off because there is no substance to it Right, how many people would they have to deport on a daily basis for it to really even make a dent? Oh good quesEon. Do you happen to we figure this out fundamentally the biggest problem? [25:49] Guest-1: I think it goes back to the I think the Trump administraEon is Probably pushing these sorts of opEcs to generate more self deportaEons This is a point Jared Taylor made over the weekend and you are seeing that to some extent depends whether you trust the figures or not Biggest thing he obviously needs to get credit for is just stopping illegal immigraEon cold But of course that doesn't really do anything it stops the bleeding [26:09] Dave: But the one good thing about that is then no one can ever say ever again that we need amnesty in order to stop Illegal immigraEon. He just proved that within the first week. The biggest problem is this [26:19] Dave: Nick it goes back to what you were saying at the beginning of the show Are we fundamentally trying to save the system from itself? Or are we trying to break it because if you're trying to save the system from itself? Let's say the number one way you're going to stop [26:36] Dave: MigraEon and the way you're gonna get rid of these people is you have to go a=er the jobs magnet [26:41] Guest-1: And then they're gonna leave which means not just a huge remi[ance tax Which of course again that was in the big beauEful bill and it was the congressional Republicans who got rid of it Hmm on the White House, but it's on the Republican Party certainly [26:55] Guest-1: But you would need to go a=er the businesses and what happens every Eme they go a=er the illegals of the farms Episode 97 [27:01] Rebecca: What happens they go a=er the illegals of the resorts What happens when they go a=er all these businesses that are now dependent on a source of illegal labor where they pay them Nothing and then we the taxpayers subsidize the addiEonal expenditures of these workers the businesses go nuts costs are going to go up if you actually go a=er the businesses and If costs go up that means food prices are gonna go up that means inflaEon's gonna go up in this in the short term We're in this situaEon now where it's sort of like dealing with a drug addict or an alcoholic Where you say oh just quit this thing But if they just quit for 24 hours, they may die because the withdrawal is so severe the problem is not so much in [27:45] Rebecca: In terms of creaEng a problem because it's the refugee rese[lement groups and the NGOs and everything else But the the thing that scares me is not the anEfa the thing that scares me are not the mobs of le=-wing protesters Not even the people who are opposing ice the people who scare me the people who are not quite sure how we get around is the business lobby And it's not really driven by ideology It's not driven by you know some deep- seated like elite manipulaEon. It's just pure proper. It's cheap labor And they can dump the externaliEes on the taxpayer and if you break that lobby, which we are going to have to break There are going to be major short-term consequences Which will probably have a negaEve electoral impact and the other thing of course is how are you gonna get the American right? Which is to find itself since the Cold War as the great defenders of free market capitalism As the people who are saying we are going to crush big business [28:41] Guest-1: Because it's a threat to the naEonal interest. That's collecEvist. That's socialist. You can't do that I mean you're basically asking the American right to [28:51] Guest-1: Fundamentally rethink the premises that it was founded on a=er the Cold War, which unfortunately is what we're going to have to do [28:57] Rebecca: And I think the alt-right was basically step one in that effort right and we're going through those growing pains right now I mean we had ConstanEne von Hoffmeister the on the other day and he was talking about [29:07] Rebecca: Basically erecEng of Marxist-style socialism within Western naEons. I mean we're seeing [29:14] Rebecca: myriad Economic policies being proposed on the right that are not tradiEonally conservaEve But are based on homogenous populaEons and racial cohesion within a given naEon And that's really the conversaEon that we need to be having but also economic populism And I've seen I've seen a hundred percent [29:33] Dave: If you can elaborate on that a li[le bit that'd be great because I saw your I've retweeted you on that like a week or two ago I think And I agree. So lay it out lay it out for yeah I mean the the people who come out for Trump but do not come out for row [29:48] Rebecca: Republicans tend to be white working-class voters tend to be lower middle- class white voters and there is no outreach whatsoever Episode 97 [29:55] Rebecca: From the Republican Party to these people and I say this as somebody who worked on the conservaEve movement for a long Eme And of course had some dealings with the RNC and things like that your average RNC funcEonary hates these people Hates these people hates these people the fiery passion loves to see them suffer. They are there are no packs [30:13] Rebecca: Doing outreach to these people. There are no organizaEons funded by the taxpayers to get these people out to vote The only reason these people are even coming out is because of the personal charisma of Trump and when he's gone They don't come out to vote which is why the midterms are shaping up to be such a disaster for the GOP But it's more than just Charisma and it's more than just oh, we're gonna we're gonna symbolically sEck it to the libs or something like that You have to give them something in material terms. I mean I put this on the show the other day Like what exactly have you go[en concretely? From voEng for Trump or supporEng the right Did you get a job? Did you get a taxpayer grant? Did you get a set aside for something because any le=ist you talk to can tell you specific things that they got [30:56] Guest-1: When their coaliEon wins we don't get anything And ulEmately we have to start having soluEons to these problems [31:02] Rebecca: The only things that were even moderately proposed was basically what geang rid of the tax on overEme Geang rid of the tax on Eps and geang rid of the tax on overEme was pre[y awesome to you know Work in class guys in the trades who I was working in the trades at the Eme So I was talking to the guys about that and they all thought that was great But even that's like pre[y thin stuff Compared to what the le= promises to its people where you're basically you're creaEng enEre industries [31:27] Rebecca: That provide jobs to these people I mean the only thing that I can think of that the right has done [31:33] Rebecca: in the last 25 30 years In terms of we are seang up an enEre bureaucracy to give jobs to our guys is basically ice [31:44] Rebecca: Right and it's you know, it's one of these things too where I see like all the ice propaganda [31:48] Dave: And I love it. I mean the dhs.gov What is somebody at the door? Oh, it's okay. It's a delivery guy delivery guy. Okay [31:55] Dave: Yeah, the the dhs.gov account [31:58] Dave: Bring it bring him in Like how can we how can the right wing when your vote? [32:04] Dave: You're the swing voters that we need right now. Can I can I see your green card? You know what I mean like mr. Amazon employee [32:12] Dave: Where was I going with that? Damn it ice. Oh my god. The propaganda is so good. It's like they're posEng moon man memes They're posEng, you know, these like edits of like, you know chopped and screwed li[le dark age And it's like dude. I want to apply for ice at this point. Uh, but at the same Eme Episode 97 [32:27] Dave: Can we trust chrisEe gnome? I don't I don't think so like I don't you see what I mean? So it's it's one of these things where it's like, okay, and [32:37] Dave: you know just throwing it out there there's like a lot of [32:41] Dave: Stuff a lot of government contracts that are out there that our guys should be building businesses to like suck That money up whether it's paper shredding, you know confidenEal document disposal Book disposal from like libraries or or or whatever, you know selling toilet paper to schools But like that enEre sector of like government contractors. They're all democrats. They're all le=ists And we need our people to you know Be opEcal and then like make a company and start geang these contracts For sure because that's how a lot of these le=ists. I think fund their acEvism and all [33:18] Dave: Yeah, yeah, some people need to be hiding their power level not us though. Well, we can't no not us [33:22] Rebecca: I mean, that's not our role in this but now, you know for one metric because people say well, how do we know we're winning? How do we know we're losing? I'm kind of impaEent of like the grand ideological criEques about this that the other thing just because [33:33] Rebecca: and maybe this is just being cynical and old but I've seen this for a while and and I don't think that [33:39] Rebecca: CriEquing the system by itself doesn't get you anything like if you go look you fell for it again It's like okay, but you don't you don't like actually get an award at the end of it. You don't win you just [33:50] Guest-1: Well, if you visit our friends treat us all the same Eme what I would consider right [33:55] Guest-1: But yeah, you do get you get the actual ribbon But you sEll get you sEll got thrown in prison with all the like the normie republicans you hate so much [34:02] Rebecca: when they take power again But the big metric that I would be looking at is how many of our guys [34:10] Rebecca: Are now geang jobs full-Eme and being paid by the taxpayers [34:15] Rebecca: Right now that number it may even be zero I mean in terms of people who are geang paid to do right wing poliEcal acEvism by the state Because I promise you there are lots of le=-wingers who are doing that I mean most of the new government programs that are laid out are basically just an excuse To pay le=ists to do the kinds of things that the democrats want that progressives want And we don't think in these terms because again, what is one of the fundamental premises of the american conservaEve movement? We need limited government. We need to cut expenditures We need no we actually need to like triple taxes and use that money to like pay right wingers to be doing community Organizing for our side like that's actually the kind of mindset that we need like this is We are entering an age now where the sort of grand ideological criEques about the role of government Or what the consEtuEon says or any of these Episode 97 sorts of things these things do not ma[er And they haven't ma[ered for a very long Eme and I think even discussion about these sorts of things You're going to go with the boomers Right now we are entering an age where it's us versus them. It is all idenEty poliEcs. It has always has been idenEty poliEcs It's just been made overt now And it's just going to be a quesEon of who can get enough state power [35:26] Rebecca: Where the state is funding your side and who can use the law as a weapon Against the other side right because on the right we talk about power But on the le= they actually use power and we have to keep in the back of our mind that [35:40] Rebecca: you know just Being ideologically correct doesn't get you anything like someEmes you just lose I mean if you I always think of what happened to the eastern chrisEans with the rise of islam or what happened at Fall of constantan opal where they're they're carrying around, you know The icon saying oh god's going to come and save us or whatever else like he's not and if he didn't save them He's not going to save us. I mean at some point we actually have to have state power and use it Right, but I mean I think that that kind of system and structure is built on idenEty and what we're dealing with right now Are the growing pains of developing? [36:15] Rebecca: a group idenEty um I had I had a bunch of we this is not going at all as I anEcipated so my my line of quesEoning is all screwed up Um, but did I screw it all up here? No, I [36:27] Rebecca: I did Dave I've heard you talk a lot about evilla and um his warrior aestheEc or or the night that he describes Do you think that this is sEll? Realizable in this age of I mean we're physically weak. We don't have any kind of group ideal There's remote work. Everything's being done by drone by ai um Do you think that it's it's even possible for us to develop this for men to develop this And do you think it's a necessary step to achieve state power in the way that you were describing? [37:00] Rebecca: Under the current system, perhaps not I think that [37:03] Rebecca: The heroic ideal is and difficult to democracy I think I think we all agree on that democracy necessarily selects for basically the worst But if you look at the types of groups that are forming now, especially the acEve clubs The groups of young men that are forming all across the country many of whom may even call themselves a poliEcal But what are they doing? They're li=ing weights. They're fighEng. They're doing rituals They may be dedicated to this parEcular religious tradiEon or that religious tradiEon They're forming actual communiEes iRL and most of them are not online This is not something that the le= is tracking because they can't really track it And some of this bleeds over into poliEcal acEvism, but the real payoff is kind of down the line And obviously i'm in one of these types of groups Although certainly our guys wouldn't call it poliEcal these sorts of things are a necessary first step because the biggest problem with young men Right now is the system is rigged against them. They know the system is rigged against them But they don't really have [38:04] Rebecca: The sorts of things that older people would have taken for granted. They don't have a real community They don't have groups of friends. They don't have any prospects of owning property They don't have any prospects and a lot of cases of geang married or having a Episode 97 family And shaming them and just screaming at them is just not going to be enough So what is the first thing you do? What is what have the first thing that young men have always done throughout history? You form a manner build you find a group of guys who are young and have nothing to lose and you get in good shape And from there, it's not so much like oh, we're beaEng the crap out of each other and li=ing weights Like yeah, that is good. That is step one, but UlEmately, it's about geang together and figuring out. Okay as a group. How do we obtain property? How do we make money? How do we build poliEcal power? How do we start actually building power in the real world? How do we make the system work for us? Because we're not doing this because we're commi[ed to the republican party or to donald trump or to america or any of these sorts of things But to these real flesh and blood people that I see around me And as these people get older and I know this because I've seen it in my own life As these people get older, it's no longer a bunch of 20-something guys It becomes a group of 30 40 50-year-old people and now there are wives and now there are children And now it's a generaEonal thing and now you're actually building real culture. Now. It's a real thing And fundamentally it is a hard path to choose, but I think this is where I mean, obviously you can insert whatever jokes about uh, evola and schizo post thing and everything else all of which are correct by the way, but [39:24] Rebecca: There's sEll a value In a school of thought that teaches you to choose the hardest road because it's more authenEc and it provides What he would have called more fruits in this life Like you're actually going to get something out of it. I mean we started off talking about doxing [39:40] Rebecca: I think of how much Eme I wasted trying to be careful Yeah, trying to like maneuver within the conservaEve movement and we did some stuff I mean I could tell stories about it and there some things were worth doing But in the long run wouldn't it have been be[er off? To just go all out from day one Wouldn't it have been be[er off if like from age 21? I was just wriEng as kevin diana at everything I did And wouldn't that have accomplished a lot more? [40:06] Rebecca: I think that you can only walk one path. You can only walk one road And I think the value of somebody like evola and I'm not saying you need to even read evola necessarily If you're not into that kind of thing But I think the value in in thinking of yourself as I am doing these sorts of poliEcal acEons Not because I'm trying to be clever or show how much smarter they am For than other people but I am trying to uphold a certain ideal And I almost don't care about what consequences come my way if you have that kind of mindset I've actually found that the real world consequences are be[er for you [40:43] Rebecca: You try to be careful and you try to live like a bourgeois And you try to be all calculaEng and whatever else because Given the current system you can only hide your power level so much And even if you're just a normal guy who only talks about sports in the office Eventually hr is going to sniff around and they're going to get you and then where are you exactly that that's exactly true No, I was just even going to say you know something that you menEoned there It's actually something I've been going back and forth with with fucking joll berry about Episode 97 [41:10] Rebecca: Over the past couple of the 24 48 hours because you know, he made this post. He's like i'm in my 30s [41:15] Dave: I own a home. I'm happily married to a beauEful woman and we have six children I wanted life ask me anything You know, and i'm like, yeah, well you fucking did that because you sold your country out asshole [41:28] Dave: You know most men in their 20s and 30s don't own homes are being squeezed out of their jobs by immigrants They are not married because feminist women suck these problems are systemic and it's like in response to this I'm geang inundated with boomers that are like pull yourself up by your bootstraps You're such a cry baby bubba and it's like I got the same I got the same thing that joll berry has [41:47] Dave: And I did it while being doxed while geang fired while opposing Zionism. I got a house. I got cars. I got kids I'm not bragging about it. I don't want to like [41:57] Dave: The point is I don't know what the point is the point is like fuck these people and I want [42:03] Dave: Like back to this economic populism thing like we need to take the boomers money We need to take these people's money away from them Uh and divert it. Sorry. I have not had enough above Eme coffee roasters coffee [42:16] Dave: This is a hundred percent true and this this enEre mindset just needs to be killed [42:21] Dave: I mean look When they people say things like oh, I want it life [42:25] Rebecca: I've got a wife and kids and homes and everything else like all right, man I've got like three homes. Does that make me be[er than you like Do I win because I'm like a right- wing radical and I've succeeded more than like you have according to your own standards joll berry and You're not a great man Because you're married with kids [42:44] Guest-1: Like that's supposed to be the standard thing that you do to keep the civilizaEon going and if most people can't do it That's not on them [42:53] Rebecca: That's because the leadership has failed. That's because the society has failed and there is this again a very poisonous mindset Within the american right where we say to talk about vicEmhood to talk about oppression to talk about the reality of power [43:08] Rebecca: Somehow makes you a le=ist I mean david french was talking about this when tucker carlson was sEll on fox news He was saying this this poison of poisonous narraEve of white vicEmhood. Well, guess what whites really are being Turned into vicEms and young white men especially [43:24] Rebecca: And this is not something that can be ignored and especially if you are in poliEcs Like what is the purpose of poliEcs? You are trying to respond to the grievances of your coaliEon And if your response to your coaliEon is you are actually not even allowed to arEculate those grievances Episode 97 [43:43] Rebecca: Everything is just about succeeding materially or economically in whatever means possible And you're all just individuals. Well, I would argue that you're not even [43:53] Rebecca: In a poliEcal movement you're not engaged in poliEcs at all Because you're telling your own people that there's nothing they can do There's no reason to support you and that our principles are basically you our principles are that we are not allowed to defend our interests Right and that's just death for a poliEcal movement. It is [44:12] Rebecca: economic populism is not about [44:15] Rebecca: vengeance Against certain consEtuencies, although maybe in some cases it is and should be but fundamentally that's not what it's about [44:23] Rebecca: It's a recogniEon that there is such a thing as society And that any economic system Because there guess what like we don't live in a libertarian society and there is not some separaEon between the state and the economy Any kind of economic system where the government has evolved is going to necessarily [44:40] Rebecca: Give incenEves to certain kind of market outcomes and right now those market outcomes are Home values are out of control. A lot of them are being bought up by finance capital or by foreigners This is especially bad in new york city where essenEally it's just become a playground for internaEonal investors Who actually live there can't buy homes And you have to respond to this with miami 50 percent of the homes in miami are owned by foreign people Yeah, 50 percent in sea[le of new ownership in sea[le. That's crazy. Chinese specifically. That's crazy [45:11] Rebecca: I mean and let's let's back up for a second here. This is a point that you've talked about before talking about a how racial homogeneity allows certain policies and [45:21] Rebecca: The sorts of things that people actually have a stake in the society I would say the biggest problem with being white in america today is you don't actually have a stake in the success of american society If america wins a war if america becomes more powerful if america's gdp goes up What difference does that make to me or to you or to anybody watching this? [45:40] Rebecca: But i'll say this You'll see somebody like hassan piker when he goes to china and he's saying oh, isn't it amazing how they have Also these sorts of policies isn't it amazing that they can do all these things? Well, what would a china-style policy look like in the united states? It'd be an incredibly restricEve immigraEon policy. You would have no homeless people on the street You'd have crimes strictly punished. You would have oligarchs essenEally being subordinated to the naEonal interest Would all of these le= socialists be in favor of these sorts of policies? Within the united states of america because they actually sound pre[y right-wing to me And we have i'm not one of these people who says i'm beyond le= and right I don't think anybody says that unless you're actually on the far right. I'm on the right I've always been on the right But I think we need to think about what it means to be on the right and being on the right does not mean Individualism it does not mean capitalism it means upholding a certain natural hierarchy where your own people are at the top in terms of your own empathy and in terms of your own preference and Episode 97 [46:36] Rebecca: The tragic thing about poliEcs right now [46:39] Rebecca: Is I think everybody there's actually not much debate [46:42] Rebecca: In terms of what is actually good for your people? Because all of a sudden when people are talking about the groups that they actually care about [46:50] Rebecca: Everybody becomes a right-wing naEonalist and by the way everybody becomes a kind of economic populist from a right-wing perspecEve Where you start going a=er the oligarchs not because you believe in equality or something like that But because they're undermining the naEonal interest and they're degrading the larger society for short-term profits And that's just societal death Absolutely, let's pull up that joll berry tweet again because I think this is revealing of the jewish psyche Which one this one. Yeah, okay. So he's saying I've accomplished all of these things Does he say anything about principle about truth about america about naEonalism? No, he's saying he's an evangelical, isn't he? Yeah, he's an evangelical zionist probably prosperity gospel type. Yeah, absolutely. So he's not talking about [47:35] Rebecca: About truth and and that's what all of these great thinkers really circle back to like Transcending your material interest to advocate for a larger truth. And if we're not doing that as a movement, what are we even doing here? Right. Um, and not only that, but it's like we've got all these like conservaEves or whatever and [47:51] Dave: They're trying to set you up to be like we're gonna fight to the death for capitalism. Like why and it's like, uh, no I'm not gonna die for capitalism. I'm not gonna die for i will die For me for my family for my people for jesus christ I will die for those things end of list capitalism capitalism doesn't get a shit about white idenEty or Upholding the white nuclear family if people get divorced and there's there's family destrucEon. It's not even just white people I mean if you put capitalism into Sri Lanka, the Sri Lankans would get fucked by it because capitalism is inherently Uh, the predatory but that is a problem as a quote about this of all people known chonsky said that [48:33] Dave: capitalism Is actually in the long run anE-racist because racism is a human characterisEc [48:42] Dave: If you are saying that there is any kind of an interest [48:46] Dave: Other than material you have seated [48:49] Rebecca: Being capitalist, but I'd say it's even deeper than that. It's not [48:53] Rebecca: I don't concede the ground that if you had a white society that that would be Less economically prosperous than what we have now. I don't concede that in the slightest I think it would actually be more prosperous, but the quesEon is what kind of prosperity Because right now we have a system where the weaker individual people are the more they become addicted to [49:15] Rebecca: Drugs junk food pornography Uh short-term sEmulants to try to distract from how their jobs are breaking their spirits or their bodies or whatever else societal breakdown Episode 97 family breakdown being unable to pass on property from one generaEon to another All of those things are market opportuniEes. Yes And and in one sense you can be like, yeah, guess what if you legalize gambling say I guess in some level the gdp goes up but then you look at the real costs of that and [49:47] Rebecca: Maybe the problem is that our measurement is just wrong We're looking at this the wrong way if you if you select one measure and this seems to be what conservaEves always do Which is just look at gdp You're neglecEng the larger picture of what it is that you're trying to accomplish with Government or the very point of having a country and this is the biggest point of all If you tell people and they start to go back to where we started with the doxing or whatever else And this is something everybody in this movement has had a problem with because if you get dox, it's not going to be the Le= that's nine Emes out of 10 It's going to be by people on your own side. Look at the people that a young republican doctor Oh, yeah, only a couple weeks ago. Yeah [50:23] Rebecca: If you tell people in your movement that the highest good is to make as much money as possible Why wouldn't you sell people out? Why wouldn't you try to get elected to congress talk about how much you love immigraEon and try to be a corporate lobbyist someday? Why wouldn't you? Go out there and say that actually The purpose of the american military is to fight for democracy in afghanistan And then bring all these people in here and get paid by a refugee rese[lement group for doing for doing so All while bragging about how much more moral and chrisEan you are than everybody else Like why wouldn't you do these things? When you say that material self-interest [51:01] Rebecca: And to hell with everybody else because somehow taking care of your material interest just automaEcally leads to the best social outcomes And everything imaginable even though that's not true How are you not going to get the worst possible people because I will say this about the le= And I say this having gone to plenty of like anarchist stuff and infiltrated conferences and doing all this kind of stuff in my early 20s They at least appealed to a certain kind of idealism They at least demand the whole man they at least say like you are joining a cause You are doing this for something larger than yourself and that's what young people want And instead we're taking Young people who understand that their country is being taken away from them and we're saying you know what the highest goal is [51:41] Rebecca: Make some money Move to a gated community put up your walls and try to isolate yourself from the larger collapse and say screw you I got mine. What kind of people are you going to end up with if that's what your movement's all about? Yeah, that's absolutely true. I mean, I think that we should probably be developing some metrics for spiritual prosperity of the white man For I mean, I think you can see it in church a[endance. You can see it in birth rates, you know People are sEll depressed. I mean we don't have that social cohesion. That's a big one right there I mean self-reported rates of depression mental illness all these sorts of things. I mean we we have measurements. It's just [52:16] Rebecca: We don't use them. Yeah, nobody care and it's you know back to this thing about democracy because I was thinking about this too Episode 97 [52:21] Dave: Sorry, we're just we've got to get to the paganism stuff at some point, but We're gonna have to rename [52:28] Dave: But because I was thinking about this [52:31] Dave: And uh This idea of like democracy Being responsive to like the will of the people I remember going to a lecture a couple maybe a year ago where it's like all the staEsEcs of What people think about like the federal agencies what people think about the government trust in government? Is it like 12 percent people like 20 percent of people trust the police? You know like it's just abysmally low and it with democracy is this idea that oh, well We're it's the will of the people we the people blah blah blah and and they don't give a shit about the people They don't care about the fact that like we I pulled this up earlier Um, where is it? This new poly market Thing we are not sponsored by poly market. Don't gamble with them. This is an anE endorsement It's an anE commercial but the the numbers are interesEng the predicEon market stuff is interesEng. Um, but like [53:23] Dave: Look at these odds 80 percent that the democrat party is going to come in and sweep in in 2026 and that's because Nobody in the republican establishment is fucking listening to anybody. They are not listening to anyone They're not listening to the disaffected white people. They're not listening to the hispanic voters that also want mass deportaEons They're not listening to people like hey, you know the housing costs are a li[le too high Um And I don't because they're cu[hroat capitalists with no with no racial allegiance. That's why yeah true and that's the real problem [53:53] Dave: I think one of the biggest things that People need to understand and this is kind of a subtle point and it may sound a bit counterintuiEve But this is in my experience and I'd like to get your take on it a=erward I don't think republican poliEcians are actually that interested in staying in office Occasionally you'll hear people say things like well these people will say anything to get elected We would be much be[er off if that were true [54:17] Rebecca: That's not true what they are trying to you if you are on the right [54:22] Rebecca: Especially if you are from a red state a deep red state like oklahoma if you look at the senator there who's been campaigning for more legal immigraEon [54:30] Rebecca: You are a second string elite You are on the right because you had to be on the right to get elected But you don't actually like the people you're around you don't actually want to represent their interests You don't even believe they have legiEmate interests. So what are you trying to do? You're trying to get elected [54:45] Rebecca: serve some Eme Cozy up to the powerful get out get a lucraEve job in the private sector move on from there Look at ben sass I mean this is a guy who if you recall during president trump's first term was always giving these SancEmonia speeches about democracy and the republic and how evil trump is and all the rest of it And of course he was turned into a media hero for this became the president of the university I believe in florida made a bunch of money from that now. He's got a new cinecure at aei Episode 97 [55:12] Rebecca: This is how you do it and [55:15] Guest-1: It's not even Like I think cut-throat capitalism gives them too much credit [55:20] Rebecca: Because being a cut-throat capitalist at least requires a certain modicum of intelligence And you might actually like produce something along the line like people you can say what you will about the robber barons But we had like railroads and steel and things like that I mean this you're talking about people who fundamentally have never created anything [55:39] Guest-1: They're just they're just saying words. They're just manipulaEng people and then geang various posiEons Where you're lobbying the government [55:47] Rebecca: To get the people that you work for more money and the best part is you're doing all this [55:53] Rebecca: Why you're saying your biggest? [55:56] Guest-1: Issue is limited government. This is what the american right is now [56:00] Guest-1: Oh, it's awful. And there was also something talking about this, uh, I think we talked about the young republicans [56:05] Dave: That got docks. We did a couple of segments on it. We released a statement from somebody who was in that Group and then I I think I'm not sure if you've seen this [56:15] Dave: The very first person has come forward that was in that group. There's a profile piece That was released earlier this week or last week in the new york Emes How a kansas republican became part of a racist anE-semiEc group chat William hendrix wanted a life in poliEcs. He found it with the young republicans. It's an interesEng read [56:34] Dave: William hendrix a very interesEng guy. He was [56:37] Dave: You know working in the young republicans. He was working for um, what's his name? Chris kobak is I think his communicaEons manager. Did he apologize? No, he did not apologize [56:46] Dave: Uh, and as a ma[er of fact, like he kind of gets into the culture of it They admit that that right wing le= wing doesn't ma[er people say the n word. They say the n word with an a at the end Uh, because that's how young kids talk. It's just how young kids talk and the you know You could have opened up any kind of group chat le= wing right wing and it would have had this kind of language in it But it is it's an interesEng piece and the thing about it that really blows me away and like if I could say one thing to republicans, it's like [57:14] Dave: you know These young kids like he I think he's like 21 22. He's very young [57:21] Dave: He effecEvely gave his enEre life from 2016 to today to poliEcs He was loyal to the republican party And in return the republican party gave him nothing. They disavowed him. They kicked him under the under the bus They were not loyal back and you know, this is an issue that I really wish people Episode 97 [57:45] Dave: Would talk about or or something, but that's an excellent point. We need we need a party We need a party that is loyal to us. They never retrieve our wounded. That's the biggest thing. You never how I can't tell you [57:58] Dave: I'm like choking on my own rage here. I can't tell you when I was doing [58:02] Rebecca: You know conservaEve organizing on college campuses and stuff like that How many good kids would put themselves out there would just get absolutely And this is like 2012 2010 Just get absolutely hammered from the administraEon from the media Their parents would be screaming at them all sorts of things and they would just get nothing From the right they would get nothing from the conservaEve movement and I think that's go[en a li[le be[er [58:29] Rebecca: in recent years, but not much and [58:32] Rebecca: it fundamentally comes down to [58:34] Guest-1: What we've been talking about where if you just have Material self-interest and short-term cashing out as like somehow your moral good What do you expect when you or talk about uh, even the first oxen that we talked about if you assume That you are going to lose in the long run and you sort of take it for granted [58:56] Guest-1: Then why wouldn't you leverage whatever posiEon you have within the american right or the conservaEve movement To sell out friends to the media For short-term profits and connecEons and to basically get a boost to another thing I mean think of how many people within the media today Started off as conservaEves started off geang jobs paid for by conservaEve donors [59:18] Rebecca: But then at some point would write some arEcle or do some expose where it's like Oh, all my co-workers are racist all my co-workers are this that and the other thing And then they move on to a job in the real media at the daily beast Or cnn or any of these types of places [59:33] Guest-1: I mean, I think there's a a very strong minority of people who come into the conservaEve movement deliberately As this is step one in a career strategy where i'm going to be a big media figure And I need to get to a certain point and then I am going to consciously With full intent sell out everybody around me because that's how i'm gonna make my name Before before you say something the the jq used to be a litmus test to weed these people out and to find greater truth seekers But now it has become so normalized [60:03] Rebecca: You know with kandace owens and all of these people with tucker even discussing it that it's no longer [60:09] Rebecca: A good [60:10] Dave: Well now we have the tq. We have the tq. Which one is this the trans quesEon Oh, that's less important. Well, I mean kind I mean, so if you got somebody that's correct on the jq, but they're wrong on the tq. They're not our guy Episode 97 [60:22] Dave: Right because this whole thing with peter teal. Who is this person? I know right the trans issues of a trojan horse as far as I'm there are a few peter teal Well, maybe he's not right on the jq or whatever But you see what I mean like he's kind of these people are kind of allowing this stuff to percolate up or whatever But they're dead wrong on the trans quesEon the the trans human and that brings me to Trans human quesEon. Okay. Yeah. I thought you I thought you were saying transgender. Well. Yeah, but the transgenderism is the precursor to trans humanism Right, so it starts with the biology that you can [60:55] Dave: Biologically change yourself from a man to a woman and then it evolves into you can turn yourself from man to machine [61:02] Dave: I don't know if I agree with that with that linear They necessarily follow one another but I think that the transgender thing Is predominantly a way for gay people to normalize pedophilia and that's really what that's also true [61:13] Rebecca: But trans humanism I would agree with you if that if that's the tq that you're talking about because we can't trust CurEs yarvin we can't trust peter steel or peter steel [61:24] Rebecca: But it was so funny too because like when you were menEoning this whole thing [61:26] Dave: I'm like thinking in my mind of of one parEcular training sarah ashton serillo right, this was the transgender male to female that decided to run for governor or something of nevada As a republican and all the republicans were like, here's my unicorn tranny. That's a conserved based conservaEve tranny No, impossible and then goes on to like burn all of his campaign consultants everybody in the republican party He works with proud boys. They're fascist blah blah blah burns everyone to the ground and then fucking goes to ukraine Where it serves as the official mouthpiece of the ukrainian army. Like if you guys followed The rise and fall of sarah ashton serillo or whatever. Oh my god At some point he just kind of cut his hair and then just started looking like a normal guy again Yeah, like the whole story of it. Yeah, this is actually the funniest thing [62:18] Dave: Like you just kind of cut your hair and be like so anyway, and then yeah [62:24] Rebecca: We've been going for about an hour. I didn't ask any of the quesEons [62:28] Rebecca: So let's end on this. What is the greatest threat to individual meaning to spiritual meaning in 2025? Do you think it's technology ideology or personal isolaEon? Which I think is a larger threat than people are realizing It's a good quesEon. I would say that the biggest thing is [62:49] Rebecca: I think the loss of transcendence. I mean, I'm [62:54] Rebecca: Occasionally it's easy to get impaEent with people who say like, oh just go to church or something like that And that's like the cure all to what else you but I mean it is [63:02] Rebecca: a good first step for almost everybody because right now you're in a situaEon where Episode 97 [63:07] Rebecca: the All the sources of meaning and I think this is something that especially older Americans may not understand [63:14] Guest-1: All the sources of meaning that every other generaEon could have taken completely for granted Regardless of the physical struggles they endured regardless of the social circumstances or reduced technological circumstances that they had to deal with They could at least take for granted that there was such a thing as family That there was such a thing as automaEc loyalEes to certain things that they probably at least the 99% of cases had Some sort of a faith tradiEon even if they didn't really believe in it Or like went to it only for like weddings or funerals or something like that Gave some sort of meaning To the inevitable disappointments and tragedies of life Now you're in a situaEon where you simultaneously have this kind of moral hysteria Over racism or fascism or whatever else but at the same Eme and this is what's so weird about it You also have this sort of like winking irony Where actually nothing is taken too seriously where even something like a child's funeral [64:12] Rebecca: I'm sure you've seen something like this becomes a reason to start celebraEng like pop culture or have like a pop culture theme For like a wedding or what used to be like a significant family event And so we're simultaneously like cast into this world where everybody's freaking out all the Eme But also there's nothing permanent. There's nothing of any real moral importance And you sort of get the sense that nothing we do [64:35] Guest-1: ma[ers And I don't really Regardless of one's faith tradiEon [64:40] Rebecca: I mean, I think that what eval would say is that unless you have some sort of idenEty rooted in TradiEon in something that you actually believe is eternal and unchanging You're always just going to be running around from one thing to another And I think that's sort of like the paradox of modern life like the more we've Found out about the way the universe works about the way science works about I mean, we know more in some ways than our ancestors But we've like forgo[en the most important truths of all which is that if you don't have Your mind focused on the eternal you're actually not going to be very happy in the here and now No, true. That's absolutely true. What a great answer We have one quesEon [65:18] Dave: This is see this is what happens when you like take a week off All of a sudden everybody kind of you lose their a[enEon and then they go off We've got one quesEon for you. Uh, if you've got any more quesEons, please send them in to the backlash.net slash super chat Queensborough bridge enjoyer sent ten dollars [65:33] Dave: Great discussion on democracy in the right almost none of the current poliEcal system defenders acknowledged that thomas jefferson concluded blacks and indians were incompaEble with white society and government So how is democracy supposed to work now? [65:48] Dave: Right, that's that's an excellent point. This gets to one of the things when we talk about oh democracy All right, let's define our terms [65:54] Rebecca: I did a deep dive into some of the stuff jefferson said a couple days ago jefferson And I didn't even know this unEl a couple days ago We've all heard the quote about how jefferson said it's inevitable that blacks are going to be afraid from slavery But it's also Episode 97 inevitable that they can't live under the same government Well, noEce in the state of virginia jefferson even said Some people say why not just incorporate blacks into the poliEcal system and make them ciEzens and he says But that's a terrible idea for all these historical reasons and everything else But also Because there are inherent natural differences. So even thomas jefferson all men are created equal denied the blank slate Even he did not believe that everybody was like truly equal in terms of how they were born or had equal capabiliEes [66:36] Rebecca: When you talk about democracy when you're talking about the rule of the demos [66:40] Rebecca: We're not talking about the rule of people A random collecEon of individuals we're talking about the rule of a people Because if we're talking about a collecEve interest, we're talking about a naEonal self-interest was most people who defend democracy will sEll acknowledge this There sEll has to be a disEncEon between [66:58] Rebecca: Us and them even at john ralls or somebody like that would acknowledge that But we don't even have a way to define [67:05] Rebecca: Who's us and who's them anymore? I think the most important quesEon poliEcal quesEon right now Is something that a lot of people have been on the mainstream writer confronEng and Donald trump has bought into the forefront with his comments on samales and immigraEon. What is an american? Who is an american? What makes an american? because If there are no limits To that definiEon if literally anyone can be an american [67:31] Rebecca: Then it's very difficult to jusEfy caring about america one way or the other and certainly [67:37] Guest-1: It's very difficult to care about belonging to a democracy Where you are one vote among countless billions [67:44] Rebecca: All of whom are going to follow their own collecEve racial interests even if you don't follow yours absolutely Yeah, what a great answer Uh because we don't have any more superchats for him. I have a quesEon [67:56] Dave: Which is have you heard about what's going on down in eagle idaho? We've got a bar down there the old state saloon, uh, which recently [68:06] Dave: has offered For anyone that reports an illegal alien that [68:13] Dave: Becomes a successful deportaEon. They will get one month of free beer [68:18] Dave: Uh, which is great. Uh, I think that this is a a great promoEon that they've got going on I'm curious. What are your thoughts? There is uh, there's some talk actually from from one of our sponsors atlas bullion [68:32] Dave: the idea of Perhaps paying illegal immigrants Episode 97 [68:37] Dave: Money to self-deport Do you think this is a good idea proacEve because you know if the administraEon of dhs isn't able to carry out these deportaEons in a Emely manner As we've been talking about which they are You know, should we be seeing and hoping that we see more private ciEzens doing stuff like this? Is this a good idea? [68:58] Dave: Yes, but private ciEzens should not be the ones having to take on these sacrifices themselves I mean one of the things that we could easily be doing [69:05] Dave: Is you start paying ciEzens a kind of bounty for illegals that get deported If you see where businesses are hiring illegals and you report them and it turns out that they are illegals [69:14] Rebecca: And they get deported you get a financial reward. I mean you do something like that You actually give people an interest in saving their country a financial interest You're going to see these deportaEons step up quite a bit And I also think you're going to see the self deportaEon step up quite a bit I mean, let's not forget. Why do illegal immigrants exist like as a thing in this country? [69:34] Rebecca: Yeah, there's a racial. I mean, there are certain people right and there are also certain racial agendas and everything else But the people who are actually employing them are not thinking about the grand strategic quesEons They're thinking about money and it contains the economic calculaEon. A lot of this problem just goes away [69:51] Rebecca: Another thing which I'd like to see is these refugee rese[lement organizaEons many of which are run through the churches [69:58] Dave: I would like to see and this is something Steve Saylor proposed I think like 10 years ago 15 years ago make them liable For the acEons of the people they bring into this country Because when the Lutherans or the Catholics or whoever else and a lot of these Emes it's not even the Lutherans and the Catholics [70:12] Rebecca: It's just like a group calling itself that right, but I mean, it's just a nonprofit It has nothing to do with any parEcular religion When these people bring somebody in who then commits a crime [70:22] Rebecca: Who then hurts ordinary americans? I say that these people are liable And if they're not liable under current law then we need to have a new law that makes them liable And that's going to make a lot of this problem go away. We need to change the economic incenEves here Otherwise, this is just going to go on forever But it does it does fall on the ciEzen at this point. So I think that uh, if we could see more of this I mean, how many people are independently wealthy at this point that should be throwing money at our podcast [70:49] Rebecca: Or doing stuff like this, I mean, of course you can send checks to p.o. Box 853 post falls, Idaho 83 [70:56] Rebecca: I don't know if you've fallen into the shameless self promoEon pa[ern that we have but it it's truly I've got to give a big shout out Episode 97 [71:04] Rebecca: To ma[ cover his name. Yeah, okay. Well, I'll say ma[. I mean, there's how many ma[es are there in this country [71:09] Dave: But thank you for the $400 donaEon. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much [71:13] Dave: Um, I just want to call you james curt patrick. I'm sorry [71:18] Dave: Yeah, I'm gonna try to change that to kevin the animal say how that goes [71:20] Guest-1: I know like the the blue check on twi[er that might like nuke the whole thing You'll lose it for like three days [71:27] Guest-1: It feels wrong to call you kevin, but thank you so much for joining us. That was just a lovely conversaEon [71:32] Rebecca: Your insights are so valuable to the movement and thank you for the Decades of work decades Yes It was real honor to be on here and anything I can do for you guys. You just let me know tell everybody where they can find you [71:45] Rebecca: Well, um at american renaissance So amaran.com is where all my wriEng is and every new episode of idenEty poliEcs is posted there And then you can find it on rumble and odyssey fantasEc Please subscribe to him on twi[er. Yes, these are jams. Okay for now, but we'll see if I can change that over to kevin the animal [72:02] Rebecca: Please find him on rumble on twi[er check out his pod. Thank you so much for joining us and we'll talk to you soon All right. Thanks for having me guys. Awesome. That was great. That was very high energy We're gonna have to change the name of the or the Etle of the show because we oh, absolutely I didn't answer. I didn't ask any of the quesEons about paganism. No [72:21] Rebecca: We can have him back. I just it's nice to get off track though because that means that the conversaEon is energized and organic Organic. Yeah. No, absolutely [72:30] Dave: We've got some super chats that we've got to read some old super chats [72:34] Dave: And we've also got some sponsors that we need to talk about [72:37] Dave: A li[le bit more In depth and yeah, one of them is atlas bullion. They're currently [72:44] Dave: potenEally in discussions for this DeportaEon thing which could be very cool But if you just want to protect your own financial sovereignty your wealth that you've worked hard for from inflaEon You need to be thinking about buying precious metals golden silver from atlas bullion.com slash backlash They've got programs where you can buy automaEcally 55 a month is their lowest plan for silver 200 a month for gold You can get some fracEonal stuff start building your stacks start preserving your wealth. They've even got opEons for kids [73:15] Dave: For your ira. So please visit atlas bullion.com slash Backlash, we've also got to give a big shout out to Antelope hill publishing who is fighEng to keep history alive against the regime of anE-white censorship Episode 97 [73:30] Dave: Their varied catalog includes the newly updated and expanded third ediEon of dr. Kevin mcdonald's culture of criEque The essenEal modern text on jewish idenEty dr. 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Hold on [74:07] Dave: Need to wet the whistle a li[le bit There are also plenty of books on contemporary issues such as transgenderism the opioid crisis And chrisEan naEonalism as well as history books novels and children's books So whatever your interest is you're bound to find books that you'll like at antelope hill All professionally published with sleek modern cover art help us and help our people by checking out companies that share our values And fight for our cause visit antelope hill publishing dot com dot com Uh, and we will come back for the other sponsors in just a bit. We've got some super chats [74:37] Dave: From while we were away while i was away. I was in [74:41] Dave: Where is this? I've got to pull it up. I was in, uh [74:45] Rebecca: Where was i Chicago, do you know what I told everybody? It was in chicago with vince I just what that we were gay. No, I well, yes, but I was telling everybody that you guys were just uh FrequenEng all the local bath houses in in chicago very close. We were uh hanging out [75:01] Rebecca: Uh over at the menorah [75:04] Rebecca: Did you see this oh even milo milo got on it. He's like we're throwing black gang signs now and i'm just like you're gay [75:12] Rebecca: Uh, anyway, so yeah, we had a lot of fun in chicago. We should have done some more [75:18] Rebecca: um I'm sorry that you guys did not like the episode. Apparently they didn't some did be a big banger You know, I never re-listen I re-listen to that one But I re-listened to that one and I and I messaged the the boys and I was like, I think this was our finest work And then I go to the comments and it's like fuck you, bitch [75:39] Rebecca: So on uh December 3rd aggy jet pilot sent 25 dollars regarding geang bashed up last year [75:45] Dave: It was actually a white guy driving the truck that hit me. I was on a bike Dave I know you ride too. So be careful 20 plus years of street riding before I got tagged Oh, man sEll limping a year a year later probably for a long while. Yeah [75:57] Guest-1: It's hard to hear that buddy. You got to be careful on the motorcycles. Yeah, well like don't do it Well, I but I love it. There's nothing like driving a motorcycle around like, you know, Hayden lake Episode 97 [76:07] Dave: Yes, I've been on a motorcycle before it's really really exciEng. It's freeing. It's nice. Really fun. Really dangerous [76:15] Dave: Yeah That's why I go on the back roads the country roads Ryan Hart sent ten dollars six or premarital absEnence should not be used for leverage Agree it should be used as a filter to find a man with temperance restraint paEence and commitment A man that is going to just use you won't sEck around if he knows you're serious about it I I understand this from [76:38] Dave: a very good moral [76:41] Rebecca: Male perspecEve, but the fact of the ma[er is that people use all of the power available to them to get what they want and that is just human nature and [76:52] Rebecca: Raw female sexual power might be [76:55] Rebecca: The single most potent moEvator [76:59] Rebecca: For men and you're asking women like just don't use this thing [77:04] Rebecca: Just just don't just don't use it. I'm telling you we cannot [77:09] Rebecca: It's impossible cannot not that we must it is our biological imperaEve to to leverage sexual value [77:18] Rebecca: Yeah, I don't know man. Like I just I would I would have an issue if that's how the dynamic in my relaEonship was Yeah, I'm telling you that women just can't they can't not Why do I keep saying it like that? They must [77:32] Rebecca: I don't know. I don't know I want us to live in the in the reality the sexual reality that that we have in this world [77:40] Rebecca: Like okay women are just going to stop using all their sexual power and return to chasEty women have to be forced To do that and if you guys aren't going to force us to do that [77:51] Rebecca: Are you going to are you going to subjugate us? I mean you should [77:55] Rebecca: I don't even know what we're talking about women need to be subjugated because I think we lack agency if that's not going to happen [78:02] Rebecca: Then you know, we're not just going to voluntarily choose not to use the greatest power that that is in our possession To get what we want. That's insane that that conveys to me a lack of understanding about human nature and about women [78:14] Rebecca: Yeah, I think that like if your woman is like using sex as a weapon against you and like withholding sex to get No, no, that's different. I never that's what I thought we were talking about. No, no, no I never advocated for a woman to withhold sex as an abuse tacEc against men. No Okay, because that's what I thought you were talking about but women that are withholding sex while sEll allowing sexual energy to enter their relaEonship It within the context Episode 97 of absEnence and using that to get a man to commit I think that is the natural state of affairs even in victorian england [78:48] Rebecca: Yeah, so both men and women should resist having premarital sex. Yeah [78:53] Dave: Totally and that goes both ways. Yeah [78:56] Dave: But the point is that if either side of the The thing is a[empEng to get you to have sex outside of marriage. No, that's not the point And they are not going to respect The marriage itself that's I don't think that's what he's saying What I said on the show is that women should use all the power that's available to them [79:12] Rebecca: To achieve their end game which should be being in a monogamous long-term marriage with a man Now if you're a woman and you're in the daEng game You shouldn't be having sex but using your sexual prowess to achieve the end stage Of long-term monogamy is just part of the game And I'm I'm I understand what Reinhardt is saying should we be doing it? No, but Saying that women are not going to do that conveys a misunderstanding of gender dynamics Are we talking about like puang on makeup and looking pre[y? Yeah, I'm talking about like [79:46] Rebecca: Cleavage cleavage and flirtaEon. No cleavage is banned. No long sleeves skirts [79:53] Dave: No, we're a veiled church. No. Yes. Vale. We finally got my wife to throw out all her pants [79:59] Dave: What? Yeah [80:00] Rebecca: Hey, she wears skirts all the Eme. I wore pants to Dave to Dave's church and people were looking at me Like I was fucking naked Yeah, it's because you are I I didn't even think about it because I'm a pants Catholic I'm a pants Catholic and this is one of those things where it's like, you know [80:15] Dave: You've got a you've just got to like introduce women into that Society right and then just over Eme They will realize that everyone else is wearing skirts and then they'll wear skirts and then they'll change Pure pressure. That's totally true. I would never wear pants to your church [80:31] Guest-1: again Like under any circumstance it was a total oversight. I didn't even think about it. I will never do it again [80:37] Rebecca: That being said, I think if you're a man and you're in the modern daEng market This is something that you have to accept about women and you have to use it to your advantage And it has to be kind of a hunt with sexual undertones. Like I don't understand How you can even date with that [80:52] Dave: Of course, I mean the point of geang married you want to have sex with the person Then we can't deny that men and women are using their sexuality to achieve their get men are using their sexuality Episode 97 [81:01] Rebecca: To try to get women to have premarital sex and women are using their sexuality to try to stop Men from having premarital sex but get them to engage in a long-term monogamous relaEonship Like and not understanding that it's going to do it's going to do men a disservice Okay, now that you put it that way, I see what you're saying And yeah, I just I think it's none of this [81:21] Rebecca: None of this stands for withholding sex within a marriage Yeah, that's what I thought we were talking about and I'm like, bro. This is that's no bueno [81:29] Dave: That's the thing ladies If you are able to to use your sexuality to get a man to marry you then what you have to do [81:36] Guest-1: Is to conEnue to have sex with him like 80 to 90 of the Emes that he wants to have sex I think that's reasonable The whole point of marriage is you're signing over your sexual organs to the partner to the partner So it's like not mine anymore. It's it's and that's why in the backlash. We don't believe in marital rape [81:54] Guest-1: Glamdring sent five dollars for the record. I like the pre-recorded show white people do need to get married and have kids [82:01] Dave: Yes, of course, there are difficulEes, but girls aren't all unsalvageable Yeah, of course, of course, they're not there are good girls out there They're a church you got to find them there tomahawk sent 10 dollars great show keep up the good work. Thank you Thank you very much Glamdring sent five dollars also in addiEon to supporEng the backlash people should throw a couple of bucks at crystal The based cinnabon check we want to normalize and encourage white people throwing off the shackles It was so funny. It's a good one for those of you that have are these not popping up on the main screen Oh, I don't know. Oh, they might not be hold on a second. Um, yeah, oh, they're not there it is. Okay. Um [82:38] Dave: Yeah, oh, yeah, look the logo is not even there wn might [82:43] Dave: Hey, no, where'd it go? [82:46] Rebecca: I don't know dave Ah, there it is. I like to rag on you for the producEon stuff But if anybody I couldn't even in the show we were in some situaEon where I thought I might have to in the show on my own And I was like, I don't even know what just don't plug the computer. It would crash everything Okay, I yeah And then just like go to my room or something rage quit Um, uh, what was that last one? Yeah and support. Oh, yeah [83:09] Dave: So so this chick was working at cinnabon and was geang sexually harassed by like Somalians or something and then eventually Eventually had enough of it and then started using [83:20] Dave: Some provocaEve language And it was at that moment that the Somalians pulled their phone out and started to record to make it look like they were the vicEm This is how it always goes. It was like the same story with uh, Shiloh Hendricks. Yeah, exactly same exact story. So Um, but yeah, man, like be careful, you know, and definitely don't use that kind of language for no reason Absolutely not Episode 97 [83:44] Dave: Old craig sent ten dollars. Hey guys. Thanks for your work I'll be happy to come on the show and explain the truth about bitcoin It is good, but almost universally misunderstood. It will make good content But might make crypto bros try to cancel you ha ha [83:59] Dave: Oh, that's exactly what the audience wants. Well, I have no idea who old craig is more dave bitcoin talk [84:05] Dave: I mean old craig if you maybe give us like a couple grand Maybe we'll have you on the show. We're not above that [84:13] Dave: But uh, if I'm gonna have somebody on the show to talk about bitcoin, I'm gonna have like marty bent on the show or [84:21] Dave: You know somebody in the sphere eric kasin or something like that. Yeah [84:24] Dave: uh Trust me. Trust me, bro Hussar sent 15 dollars a li[le late for james on this But I would like to see it made much more difficult to wire money to other countries and those who turn illegals in Uh to get any houses and vehicles that they were given under biden plus a minimum bounty Yeah, yeah bounEes would be sick. Uh, that'd be great. Um, if we could if we could start incenEvizing people to help in this deportaEon effort That would be very good. I think that I saw something last week about how [84:54] Dave: sco[ bascent, um, our treasury our homosexual treasury secretary was talking about [85:00] Dave: Uh, ending remi[ances. Did I get that correct? Yeah, so I think that might be taken care of [85:06] Dave: To a certain degree But yeah [85:13] Dave: Did we get all of the super chats? I don't know. Uh, donald duck [85:18] Dave: Donald duck tater sent 14 dollars CongratulaEons today for enforcing gender standards and clothing. Sorry ladies wearing pants is trans [85:28] Dave: True. I don't know man. I'm not there based and true. You'll figure it out I don't ever want to be there. You'll figure it out eventually. No Scourge plus like the sun dresses the skirts they make women look more pre[y There's more to there's more for men to imagine like when these women are like going around like half naked It's like I'm not even interested because it's like Okay, well, that's what you got moving on whereas like a pre[y woman wearing a dress That's modestly, you know, you start to I wonder, you know, I don't know I I'm a big avid more we need more cleavage in society less [86:02] Rebecca: Look at the painEng from like the 15th century queen elizabeth was showing like near nipple level cleavage It used to be a sign of chasEty. What? Yeah, what you couldn't show your ankles, but but the amount of cleavage Episode 97 [86:17] Rebecca: Was just incredible I don't I don't know. I think the the female form is beauEful. Now where I will is no camel [86:25] Rebecca: No camel toe. That's where I draw the let's let's not do any camel no yoga pants You know, you know, I can't back in st. Mary's when I used to live in Kansas [86:33] Dave: Like women would be shunned for wearing yoga pants like like out like get out Yeah, I don't know This is the way that society should be you know, it's funny because it's like you go to a like, you know, trad cat town It's like you wear yoga pants and everybody looks at you funny Whereas when the Catholics go out with like their eight kids to walmart everyone looks at the catholic's like They can't keep it in their pants or whatever. You know, I don't know. It's funny Um, yeah, so I think that gets us all up on the super chats. We did have a very big gathering [87:03] Dave: Here in north Idaho. We had a massive [87:07] Dave: Christmas party. Look at that. Say look those pictures. I okay. I came into Dave's house [87:11] Rebecca: I didn't know anybody and so I just sat where I was most comfortable Which is in the chair that I always sit and I sit with my pile of food because I've been fasEng all day [87:20] Rebecca: And Dave's like, what the fuck are you doing? I'm like, that's the only place that I [87:24] Guest-1: I feel comfortable. He snapped this picture of me shoveling food into my face [87:29] Guest-1: You look very surprised [87:30] Dave: But yeah, we had a li[le over a hundred people come so if you want to Get involved with the network and the community that we're building if you live up here in north Idaho Definitely reach out info at the backlash.net. Send us an email We'll take you out for coffee figure out if you're a fed or not and then maybe maybe you'll get invited Maybe you'll get invited to next year's Christmas party. I don't know But we will be doing some meetups soon [87:51] Dave: I think we got a few more sponsors, eh? We do. Why did I say that like a Canadian? I don't know but above Eme coffee is absolutely fantasEc Small batch hand roasted To order it's not siang on shelves for months. It's not, you know [88:08] Dave: They import the beans. They roast them themselves. It's very good. It's probably the best coffee that I've had It is really good [88:18] Rebecca: Yeah, it's fantasEc. I don't just ask his sponsors because they've taken a risk to sponsor us. No, I mean their coffee's legit When we got the first package it was all sealed up. They're all in bags [88:28] Dave: I could sEll smell the coffee coming out of the package. It was so [88:33] Dave: strong and aromaEc and amazing. Uh, they've also got Episode 97 [88:37] Dave: Uh coffee pot. Well, it looks like they're french presses out of stock that they got some t-shirts [88:42] Rebecca: They've got one of these li[le mocha pots Uh, if you want to make yourself some espresso and and I also think that they added this Pocono perk espresso blend by popular demand everybody was asking them to To make an espresso blend so they finally got that so visit above Eme coffee dot com Pro white coffee the taste end is wonderful [89:02] Dave: I also got to give a big shout out to north idahotalo company if you're sick and Ered of [89:07] Dave: Skincare packed with chemicals you can't pronounce north idahotalo company might be for you They've got soaps balms and lip balm packed with nutrients that your body needs no endocrine disruptors no fillers No fake fragrances. It's all natural [89:22] Dave: It's exactly what your body needs and [89:25] Dave: You know, I've been hearing a lot of good things from people [89:28] Dave: That have been using this they've got cracked dry hands because of the winterEme this stuff [89:34] Dave: May help with that. I can't tell you that it will heal you how natural Their tallow bomb is oh and this stuff right here the the three kings. Oh my gosh. So yesterday I'm looking at my great Pyrenees. I'm like, what is this? Oh, no [89:50] Rebecca: What is this nigga having his mouth my great Pyrenees and um, it's fine [89:57] Rebecca: We're good. I spilled some coffee on my computer. Uh, see I did it gave me the ji[ers. It's so strong and powerful [90:03] Dave: Yeah, see it's sEll going. All right. We're good. We're good So I'm looking at my great Pyrenees mouth and I realized that he's trying to open my jar of tallow to suck the tallow [90:13] Rebecca: Bomb out of the jar because he's like, oh, these are natural [90:17] Rebecca: These are natural ingredients. I think you could eat it, but you don't want to you definitely don't want to eat the soap [90:23] Dave: There's lyin. That's how they make it. But uh, it is all natural Oh man, we will be back on wednesday with our normally scheduled program. Yes, we've got a lot to cover There's been so much going on I'm dying to get back into my car to finish this nick fuentes pierce morgan [90:39] Rebecca: Oh, yeah live stream right now when I just looked on youtube. It was 130,000 people watching [90:44] Rebecca: I'm sure we're gonna talk about that. Um, we're gonna talk about we're gonna hit the new year's hard the new year Episode 97 [90:51] Rebecca: Oh, yeah, we are we got some big things in store for this year [90:55] Rebecca: Yeah I need to go through my bookmarks and see what we got going on. But yeah, there's been there has been a lot going on [91:01] Dave: Oh, that's right. That's what the other thing I did while I was in chicago I did an interview with like a former israeli ambassador to america name is this guy giland [91:11] Dave: And it was really funny because vince was siang next to me So we're like interviewing this like israeli diplomat Trying to have this like serious conversaEon and then vince just grabs my phone and unmutes and goes israel did 9 11 It is so funny. Where are they airing it? It's on uh x So if you go on x and you scroll back a li[le bit, I retweeted it [91:32] Dave: Uh, where is it? It would have been [91:36] Dave: Right here Oh, man. Oh, it was a space. Yeah, it was a space hosted by michael hitek [91:42] Dave: There's the guy that we were talking to gilad cats Bro, and he was is everything Absolutely everything that you could possibly [91:51] Dave: Imagine an israeli diplomat would be you know all the standard hasbro talking points and it was all so Ered And you just kept going back and repeaEng over and over and then it's like you slightly disagree with them He's like, well, you're an anE-semite. It's like, oh, okay. Yeah, so we can't really talk. Anyway It was an interesEng space. You got to employ those macavelian tacEcs and be like, yeah [92:11] Guest-1: I sure am an anE-semite and we had uh, we had an interesEng thing by the way Why didn't anybody tell me to shave? I told you repeatedly. Why didn't anybody tell me to shave? Oh, wait. No, I told you your beard looked good. Yeah, all of you people were like get like [92:25] Guest-1: Now I look good. Now I look clean. I got a haircut. We got the skin fade. You look a li[le jewey [92:30] Dave: I look like rabbi schmooly in this thing. Look at this. I've got like the rabbi schmooly beard going on Anyway, Richard Spencer came over for Thanksgiving. It was very nice. We're gonna have him on the show Next year. Oh, he can't do it this year. Not this year, but next year We'll get him on we'll get him in studio that way. It'll be a nice vibe But we do have some interesEng guests coming up next week. We've got [92:52] Dave: Sarah from DDG DD GeopoliEcs Uh, she will be on the show and then on the 22nd [93:01] Dave: Yeah, I believe the 22nd of december we're gonna have father james mobsley joining us again, which will be very good We'll talk about christmas and some of the stuff. We haven't spoken to him since we got a new pope So it'd be interesEng to get his take on that. Uh, and then uh, the 28th I'm sEll working out. We will we will see we might just make gingerbread houses and bullshit That would be be[er than the people that have cancelled on me. You know, adam erving never messaged me back totally ghosted really Well, I I we should boyco[ his books Episode 97 [93:32] Dave: Even though I just literally bought I literally just bought a copy from antelope. It's so rude. I was so pissed off Come on people. I know you make a commitment You show up to show and and you know if you don't want to if you make the commitment You want to come on the show and then all of a sudden some asshole gives you a call You shouldn't go in there. Then tell me that then tell us just you know, give us a call be like, hey Just siang here with our dicks out some upper bu[. Yeah, so embarrassing. Um, okay. We'll be back with the normal paid programming not paid [94:01] Rebecca: Programming that was a Freudian slip because I want that money cia sponsor. Yeah, I want that cia money. We'll see you on Wednesday by everybody